Ask Work It: Should I reveal my last drawn salary?

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  • Опубликовано: 17 ноя 2024

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  • @arelle1000
    @arelle1000 5 месяцев назад +48

    They can ask your salary expectation rather than ask for last salary. If they can't meet your expectation, they can then negotiate to see if you are willing to accept less. This can be done early in the process to avoid wasting both parties time.

    • @evelynn7827
      @evelynn7827 4 месяца назад +2

      But u may continue to be deluded to think u worth something which u are not. If u only worth 5k. Yet u asked for 10k. They have every right to know why u were not given 10k by ur ex company.

  • @jerryetc
    @jerryetc 5 месяцев назад +19

    In a video interview I had last year with SGX HR Shawn Sim, I kept getting requests from her for revealing my last drawn salary. She warned me that she would cancel my next interview with the hiring manager as I refused to tell her my last drawn. I emphasized that I have no obligation to share. She ended the interview and unilaterally cancelled my next appointment with the hiring manager without even consulting him. What a powerful HR! I then complained to the hiring manager and the Head of HR of SGX but received no response. After that, I emailed the Minister of Manpower Mr Tan, and 9 days after, a response from MOM suggested me to contact TAFEP but TAFEP gave me no reply (even not an acknowledgement letter) as I had also lodged a complaint on their website… Unless it's enforced by law like the US, candidates are at a vulnerable position for negotiating salary with their prospective employers - especially with those "state owned companies"... (Am I in China?) 😂 Anyway, my advice to all readers here: avoid SGX, avoid this Shawn Sim.

    • @jerryetc
      @jerryetc 5 месяцев назад

      I passed the first round tech interview with a prospective teammate. This HR insisted to meet me before my interview with the hiring manager. 😂

    • @kitmaycheang3001
      @kitmaycheang3001 4 месяца назад +1

      You did a great job and looks like TAFEP is not helpful to the jobseekers.

    • @PolyurethaneBelt-ey2xo
      @PolyurethaneBelt-ey2xo 4 месяца назад

      Noted on this HR guy make sure he can't find a job outside SGX

    • @jerryetc
      @jerryetc 4 месяца назад

      @@PolyurethaneBelt-ey2xo this HR is a woman at her 50s... I don't want to bad mouth her here, but I guess SGX is not a place for those with career ambitions

    • @roywee4194
      @roywee4194 4 месяца назад +1

      I will remember this as an investor and bear in mind when SGX does their next roadshow. SGX is government linked. We expect them to follow what ministers say.

  • @akeithkira
    @akeithkira 5 месяцев назад +48

    Cmon guest speaker ! How is the company affordability related to our last drawn salary? Working in a corp for so many years, budget for a role is usually given when the team is planning for expansion or replacement. The budget range is fixed from the begining !! Dont mislead the audience.

    • @haroldz123
      @haroldz123 5 месяцев назад +2

      Yep, we hop jobs to get better salary

    • @khaosmue2114
      @khaosmue2114 5 месяцев назад +4

      The burden of that should be with the company not with us. It can be easily solvable by just stating how much is the job worth instead of asking for the last drawn.

    • @evelynn7827
      @evelynn7827 4 месяца назад +1

      U obviously not in management. I have a budget of 10k for this job bcos I expect this person to swim like the ex staff. As a newbie without your worth measuring against your last drawn how would I know u r worth 10k. Just bcos the budget is 10k does not meant that newbie is worth 10k. During interview we know. HOD is in the interview. U may be the 10 that passes the 5 ticks and cheapest. Of course I will not pay u 10k. 6k the most and of course I need to know u are worth 6k. Taking in a newbie, team work, EQ, IQ can only be measured after u join. May be a total success or a total failure. Success your salary will be adjusted if not u move on period

    • @akeithkira
      @akeithkira 4 месяца назад +3

      ​@@evelynn7827obviously u dont have much experience in interviewing candidates. Be more involved in this process and you will know how to evaluate the candidate skillset n best fit. Be more vocal n ask from ur management to get u involved.

  • @teohyc
    @teohyc 5 месяцев назад +17

    Companies already know their budget for hiring. If you quote low, they save money. If you quote high, they say out of their budget. So why is your last drawn salary needed? Not needed at all

  • @Ltwentytwo
    @Ltwentytwo 5 месяцев назад +10

    "what is your expected salary" is a much more appropriate question. what i am currently paid should be irrelevant to the prospective employer.

  • @justinyeo7626
    @justinyeo7626 4 месяца назад +9

    I believe we are quite backwards in terms of salary offers and negotiations. In Australia, most established employers put up their salary offers right smack in the job advertisement. Whereas in Singapore, most established employers will leave that out and say it's negotiable during the interview. All the PC responses in this interview make me wonder if culturally being kiasu and more budget-minded is the real reason behind this. If you want to attract real value and talent into your company, pay well and ensure a rigorous interview process to get the best candidate. Don't expect to pay someone a lower than market rate salary and expect them to do a good job AND stay on for the long term.

  • @Ltwentytwo
    @Ltwentytwo 5 месяцев назад +14

    if i order a plate of hokkien mee at a store, the onus is on the store to price their offering. they wouldn't ask me "what did you last pay for hokkien mee?"

    • @garynguyen8977
      @garynguyen8977 4 месяца назад

      Very unique but spot on example. 😂

  • @masterweaver
    @masterweaver 5 месяцев назад +3

    Many years back I tried to look for a lower salary job and fail after they seen my last drawn salary.
    Last drawn salary: X
    Request salary: (X - 1500)
    Despite I found a lot of suitable jobs and positive interview. Non of them hire me because of their suspicious of the reason.
    then I started declaring my last drawn as (X-1500) and even photoshop my old payslip and I got a job offer within the next 3 days easily.

    • @paultan5796
      @paultan5796 4 месяца назад

      @masterweaver which means you photoshop a much lower salary. I wonder what happens if it was the other way round 😂

  • @kurthandrews6206
    @kurthandrews6206 5 месяцев назад +5

    It’s not the salary. Most Interviewers try to figure the candidate out. If one is smarter or confident, no job. Somebody who questions won’t get the job. I’ve been through a lot & most are not Singaporeans ( interviewers ). I’ve always put them in their place & walked away. Let nobody ever tell you what you are not worth. Good luck to all our Singaporeans .. stand tall.

  • @YourAvgRunner
    @YourAvgRunner 5 месяцев назад +5

    A really detached response on why employers ask for last drawn salary - to see if they can afford you? It doesn’t make sense.

  • @rogertan5534
    @rogertan5534 4 месяца назад +1

    I always share my last drawn. With payslip. But I also make it perfectly clear that this will not give them any bargaining power... because this is my career and I don't bargain.
    You can certainly try your luck with a lowball offer... but it is your one and only chance.

  • @dxbdean
    @dxbdean 5 месяцев назад +9

    As an employer I can tell you it’s absolutely so we don’t overpay. Isn’t that absolutely obvious?
    My advice is try and defer any pay discussions. But if they keep insisting I’d ask what remuneration is being offered BEFORE you disclose anything. That way you know if you are being low balled. And if they refuse to provide anything concrete then I’d suggest it’s not an employer you really want to work for. Look
    Elsewhere.

  • @ralphou
    @ralphou 5 месяцев назад +4

    in reality, the Employer will mark you down if you insist not to share!

  • @MrHelloworId
    @MrHelloworId 2 месяца назад

    If you need the role more than the company needs you, you will share whatever they ask.
    If they need you more than you need them, you don't have to share anything, and you'll get an offer.
    There's no morality around this. If you're not willing to share, someone else will if they need the role more than you.

  • @18x.50
    @18x.50 5 месяцев назад +18

    This was an absolute waste of 8:52 minutes that I am never gonna be getting back.

    • @Sllee93
      @Sllee93 4 месяца назад +2

      No la it is helpful. Many good tips. Agree to disagree.

  • @yse2010
    @yse2010 5 месяцев назад +5

    I wanted a better salary, but instead I got the offer same amount as my previous company gave... and only after I'm confirmed staff then they adjust my salary. Most company I worked before would ask for last 3 months of salary slip.

    • @arsenal_84
      @arsenal_84 5 месяцев назад

      the banks still asking for last 3 months salary.

    • @kitmaycheang3001
      @kitmaycheang3001 4 месяца назад

      You are lucky that there is adjustment.

    • @kitmaycheang3001
      @kitmaycheang3001 4 месяца назад

      That deflects the interview and salary negotiations objectives on the part of jobseekers if the employers and recruiters kept asking for past salary but refuse to reveal their budget range.
      Thank you host for helping jobseekers to ask the questions unfortunately I think we need the employers to turnaround their mindsets instead of only jobseekers! Interview and job matches should not be one way street that only benefits the hiring parties!

    • @yse2010
      @yse2010 4 месяца назад

      @@kitmaycheang3001 I'm lucky that I left that company after completing probation when they couldn't retain the rented office space. They contacted me back 3 weeks later for a new job offer WFH+1 day 2 hours public commute to Head office with an offer even lower than I WFO, self absorb a 9times more expensive transport cost. I could see there's no win-win negotiation beyond when they set their low budget on experienced jobseekers that they couldn't afford but in desperation to hire. Obviously they are just looking for cheap professions with experiences.

    • @yse2010
      @yse2010 4 месяца назад

      @@kitmaycheang3001 Well, I'm lucky that I left that company after completing probation when they couldn't retain the rented office space. They contacted me back 3 weeks later for a new job offer WFH + 1 day 2-hours public commute to Head office meeting with an offer even lower than I WFO, self-absorb a 9times more expensive transport cost that they care less about research.
      I could see there's no win-win negotiation further to discuss when the company's true face revealed, likely "prey" on jobseekers' weaknesses by simply naming the lowest offer hoping to hook on experienced jobseekers that they couldn't afford but in desperation to hire. It's their lost.

  • @sorcereh1
    @sorcereh1 3 месяца назад

    because many companies have HR policies not to offer >25% of last drawn… unless can justify to management
    typically there’s other candidates as well, so HR will move on to the next candidate

  • @exploringapis4495
    @exploringapis4495 5 месяцев назад +3

    I’ve never revealed. They always threatened must give payslip wat nonsense but in the end offer also came.

  • @boonbeesim7883
    @boonbeesim7883 День назад

    Only provide last pay slip when you sign the offer letter.

  • @xia0pr0ice
    @xia0pr0ice 4 месяца назад

    Some jobs, employer have a salary range e.g. 4k - 6k. Even if you got years of experience. If let's say your last drawn is 4k. They may only offer 4.3k instead of someone with similar experience that last drawn is 5k which they may offer 5.4k. They will try offer you some increment to entice you while keeping their cost as low as possible.

  • @a_rabbits_sharing
    @a_rabbits_sharing 4 месяца назад

    As a recruiter, I guess I’m in the best position to answer this question. Firstly there are a few reasons to this as covered in this video however there are even more which is not covered. Under paying and overpaying is one aspect. Salary fraud which has been really common is another aspect. I know people will say what ?! Yes it’s real I encountered a number of times in my career.

    • @garynguyen8977
      @garynguyen8977 4 месяца назад

      Care to share what do u mean by salary fraud?

    • @a_rabbits_sharing
      @a_rabbits_sharing 4 месяца назад

      @@garynguyen8977 job applicants over declare their last drawn salary to ask for too high of an increment. In that aspect it’s fraud.

    • @Lee-vo4by
      @Lee-vo4by Месяц назад

      Nowadays, many companies will ask for your current job pay slips, if that's the salary fraud you are talking about.

  • @Ziiqing
    @Ziiqing 4 месяца назад

    I think this boils down to the typical singaporean mindset in local companies hiring process. Everyone are scared to "overpay" the hiring candidate so they "need to know" how much your previous company was paying you. The same goes to people are kaypoh and they want to secure the "best deal" so only want to hear it from multiple sources. In this case, the salary range they post after doing their own research isn't enough, they still demand for last payslips.

  • @jessyblue863
    @jessyblue863 4 месяца назад

    HR will ask because they have to ask as part of their due diligence. Because they have to provide these info to their bosses who in turn do not know why they need to ask and how does it relate to what the company can offer. It's because if everyone is asking, I better ask otherwise I am not competent. Therefore, selection of people is no longer based on the real reason why an employer wants the employee, but it becomes more of since the candidate fulfills the requirement, the employer has to employ. Gut feeling is no longer a skill used.

  • @zokrathtan5588
    @zokrathtan5588 5 месяцев назад

    This would have made sense if the term in question is "expected salary" and not "last drawn salary". Virtually everything he talked about goes back to expected salary, such as researching market rates, providing a range, etc.

  • @d3badge
    @d3badge 5 месяцев назад

    The flip side, asking for last drawn pay also help employer verify the integrity issue! Many jokers lie about last drawn pay hoping to negotiate a higher pay package

  • @Hlinh22
    @Hlinh22 4 месяца назад

    Knowing your last drawn salary doesn’t ensure the employers can afford you. It’s all about the role budget (from employer), the person’s expected pay and capabilities and their interview performance. Asking last drawn salary is just irrelevant and a sign showing that the interviews from such companies are actually pointless.

  • @cheenangng4050
    @cheenangng4050 5 месяцев назад +3

    My last last drawn salary was 7k and was retrenched, after 10 months out of job I accepted a 4 k job, in my next interview why wouldn’t the coy base on my 7 k knowing very well my current pay was way under value?

    • @jerryetc
      @jerryetc 5 месяцев назад

      I feel you. Last drawn is not what one is worth.

  • @roywee4194
    @roywee4194 4 месяца назад

    The government through vivian balakrishnan made it clear that a statement from minister is a statement from government and forms policies..those hr agents with EAs registered with MOM risk losing their ability to operate and individual EAs may face government action if they flout singapore law.

  • @SuryaSurya-re3vn
    @SuryaSurya-re3vn 5 месяцев назад

    Female Host voice hipnotized me ❤ what a great voice! 👍

  • @portner85
    @portner85 5 месяцев назад +1

    THIS MY PRICE. NON NEGOTIABLE. IF NOT JUST WALK IT OFF BUT ALWAYS WISH THEM GOOD LUCK

  • @chiliout
    @chiliout 4 месяца назад

    Even jobs in Singapore government ministries ask for last down salary in great detail.

  • @marvinfoo4838
    @marvinfoo4838 3 месяца назад

    If u are jobless and in need of income, u have no choice but to give the potential employer to know your last drawn and low ball you, come seriously which company want to give higher salary than the market rate uncessarily? They are not charity, but money making companies.

  • @86techboy
    @86techboy 5 месяцев назад +1

    I put it simple, any salary information must only be shared during offer stage but not during pre-selection or first few interviews.
    Every Singaporeans does feel that when you declare your last drawn salary, you are putting yourself at disadvantage.
    As employers will eventually find that employee whom is a aggregate and that will be a baseline for consideration.
    Salary information as well as payslip must be deem as personal information unless the employer as well as recruitment agencies.
    Is legimately hiring than employee can disclose but not during initial interview.
    In my own POV, salary information is being used like manpower service quotation.
    Where employers just ask around for quote and find the cheapest quote in market.
    How salary information is used really opt for debate.

  • @clneosg
    @clneosg 5 месяцев назад +5

    I will ask them what is your budget rather than last drawn as my last drawn maybe bigger than your budget than you dont consider me. So just tell me your budget. You should have a budget when you want to hire, dont bs to say i have no budget at this moment. Nowadays they are very sneaky, when you apply for the job, they put mandatory field to ask you last drawn salary and salary expectation. So if govt say cannot reveal, than what is MOM doing? again always sleeping while open leg big big for foreigners EP while ICA quickly processed new PR and citizens to replace local born singaporeans? Erection coming so again wayang tightening just like previous and previous previous election. After erection, you see leg open even bigger and more ministries sleeping.

  • @Xueman99
    @Xueman99 4 месяца назад

    Before the interview, why do some companies ask for detailed information from candidates? I understand that they inquire about information related to the position, including family members, their ages, job professions, and phone numbers. They also ask about previous job salaries and referral information.
    I’m unsure whether the interview will be successful or not, but I feel that this request violates privacy

  • @JRKZT
    @JRKZT 4 месяца назад

    This video is a time-waster. The solution is simple. As a job seeker, you dictate the flow. If the hiring manager asks for your last drawn salary, turn the tables around and ask for their budget for this role instead. If they are hesitant to answer, it means they don't have confidence that the salary they offer is competitive enough. If they do give you a budget range, let them know that your salary expectation is within the upper 20% of their budget range (IF it does fall within your expected range). If their offer is lower than expected, be upfront with them. Are they flexible in increasing their budget? Proceed further. If they're not, end the journey there and save both parties' time. Never ever disclose your last drawn salary or expected salary unless the cards are in your hands. Lastly, know and understand your worth. Don't ever accept a lowball offer (unless you're in a dire situation for a job) because if this happens often enough, it will slowly affect the job market as a whole with lower salaries.

  • @isaacng315
    @isaacng315 5 месяцев назад

    Yes job value peg with job grade in reference to external and internal parity 😊

  • @hgyag5366
    @hgyag5366 4 месяца назад

    My friend often said this: i am worth this money (expected salary)

  • @RetiredEmployee
    @RetiredEmployee 5 месяцев назад +1

    Good workers are hard to find, so it's a matter of a willing buyer and a willing seller. There's no need to overthink it. Just review and justify the decision. If it's a no, then okay, goodbye. If you are competent and valuable, companies will compete for you. There's nothing to worry about. Those who worry are usually the ones who are neither competent nor valuable.

  • @zraiderz
    @zraiderz 5 месяцев назад +3

    Key takeaway from this topic @3:36 - 3:40. You are welcome

  • @aaraonhon
    @aaraonhon 5 месяцев назад +1

    Not right to ask for last drawn down as it is been used to negotiate down and not fair for those who changed into much higher roles .

  • @isaacng315
    @isaacng315 5 месяцев назад

    Also justify to Management for approval on the Salary Proposal or increase the headcount budget 😅

  • @bryanjp79
    @bryanjp79 3 месяца назад

    Don't expect US level kind of professionalism for many HRs in Singapore. Many companies ask intrusive questions and extract salary information. Quite disappointed with many HR practices here especially those not from MNCs.

  • @dunlop9292
    @dunlop9292 4 месяца назад

    What if they ask for your payslip and will not provide you the job if you do not provide it? Sounds like it’s too ideal.

  • @litchips
    @litchips 4 месяца назад

    Last drawn salary = desired salary - 10%

  • @bossadreamz
    @bossadreamz 4 месяца назад

    Most TAs ask the 1st time. I'd ask them n ask what is the maximum budget u have...

  • @paulchong4052
    @paulchong4052 4 месяца назад

    The person obviously never heard of the concept of internal equity.

  • @ivylim8612
    @ivylim8612 5 месяцев назад +1

    HR for 10 years. It’s actually to prevent any waste of time of both party. Every company have a salary range/benchmark.
    We want to make sure any offers made is also attractive to the candidate. No point offering lower than their current salary for most cases.

  • @hgyag5366
    @hgyag5366 4 месяца назад

    Employees are not kings above employers.

  • @yeongvoonkang1966
    @yeongvoonkang1966 4 месяца назад

    The less you get paid, the more bonuses HR will get.

    • @leanlifer
      @leanlifer 4 месяца назад

      not really. They get more bonuses if needed positions are filled quickly and the retention rate is great.

  • @Sgscouser
    @Sgscouser 5 месяцев назад

    Obviously the MIW has no tooth in improving workers’ lives.

  • @changyone
    @changyone 5 месяцев назад +2

    ugh why this podcast? everybody knows it. It is all playing the game.

  • @sorcereh1
    @sorcereh1 3 месяца назад

    HR will just move on to other candidates 😂 cuz if cannot justify to management, don’t waste time

  • @LouisQuah
    @LouisQuah 5 месяцев назад

    Some put that as a mandatory field to fill. Else can't submit. :(

  • @ennmin
    @ennmin 4 месяца назад

    Understanding budget is BS. Job profile already stated the salary range offered. Getting your last drawn is clearly to lowball you

  • @Sllee93
    @Sllee93 4 месяца назад

    Thank you. This has been helpful. 🙏🏻

  • @danielwly1703
    @danielwly1703 5 месяцев назад +1

    Low quality reasoning. Mixing up current and expected salaries.

  • @AdhavanTraveller01
    @AdhavanTraveller01 5 месяцев назад

    My Boss is still didn't apply Employment pass for me RMI

  • @anziar3038
    @anziar3038 5 месяцев назад +1

    S'poreans enjoy stable and high-paying jobs in a safe and secure environment. Many thanks to the PAP govt for making it possible. ❤❤

  • @hgyag5366
    @hgyag5366 4 месяца назад

    I think last drawn salary shouldn't be a secret. It is history.
    It show your honesty in your disclosure.
    It show your job worth and responsibility.

  • @hasifmail91
    @hasifmail91 5 месяцев назад

    If a company can pay 6K to get someone to get the role filled , why would they hire another for 10K? Its a business decision not a personal decision.
    U have to give and have value to earn your value.

  • @ronniegt8593
    @ronniegt8593 4 месяца назад +1

    This guest doesn't sound credible.

  • @arieladelinechoo9845
    @arieladelinechoo9845 5 месяцев назад

    Because candidates had lied about their salary package.
    All recruiter&headhunter also ask for detailed actual earnings before they match you with other offers and packages.
    If you dun lie about it, why are you afraid to show it.

  • @junhonglim9662
    @junhonglim9662 5 месяцев назад

    Beggars can't be choosers? Don't want wait someone replace u how😢

  • @SoBiased
    @SoBiased 5 месяцев назад

    Singapore must take all Rohingya refugees

  • @SoBiased
    @SoBiased 5 месяцев назад

    Singapore must take all Rohingya

  • @mysticv7177
    @mysticv7177 4 месяца назад

    Every year change job, salary will CAGR 10% min.

  • @lch2195
    @lch2195 5 месяцев назад +1

    So they can pay lesser.

  • @Xyyymm
    @Xyyymm 3 месяца назад

    They are kiasi... that's the only answer, kiasi symptoms.