Shady23axd He said he is a rather Bad player and IGL, but respected his knowledge outside of the game and his ability to analyse situations and team play.
I agree that iBP isn't the lone reason, or even top 3 reasons that NA isn't advancing like we hope they would, but I think that it is a pretty big deal that Swag, one of the best if not the best rifle players in NA as well as DaZed and Steel being banned because they are not only both very viable IGL's, going back to a video of yours that I think was from like last week, I feel like they could be leaders of men just like you said NA needs. I know they obviously aren't the saviors of NA's problems, but it does seem like if they were allowed to compete, the NA scene would be at least a little bit healthier having 2 more good IGL's in a C9 or now OpTic. Great video as usual btw :)
FreezyNadeZ he has said it before on a video on adren. He said something like adrenaline is a better mid round caller than a fill in game. like when he was in IBP. He prob got flustered with all the shit he has to think about.
Luke well, how much money does he make from streaming for Mythic? How many subs/donations does he get a day, I can't see him making more than $100-$200?
im really glad you did this video. ive always thought that people way over played how good ibp were and held them up to a much higher level than they really were
Sh0gun Not everything Thorin says is just 100% gospel. He's just giving his opinions. Idk who's claiming they were "saviors" anyway. They are undoubtedly the best 5 NA has put together in GO. That 5 was only together for months, not years. We have no idea what would have happened.
thorin, you touched on steel coaching but didnt mention steel coaching CLG before ESL/ESEA Pro League finals (where they beat fnatic in the opening match. You can hear the players mention steel was coaching them and they talk about what he told them to do in the stream/vod with team comms
In all fairness didn't you say one of the reasons NA scene is at the place it is, is because a lack of IGL's, and you also said one of the reasons there aren't any is because IBP got banned, so wouldn't that be an integral part that could be fixed if they were hypothetically not banned; therefore making the scene much better overall
I don't think they were saviors by any stretch. I do think that the NA scene would be stronger if they were still around, as the talent pool would be deeper. I personally think they should be unbanned, as other punishments handed down by valve have been inconsistent with the punishments handed to IBP. Additionally, valve should have a set framework of rules and punishments in place if they haven't already, as the inconsistency in past punishments can make it seem as though they make examples out of some, and then go more lenient with others.
Don't let steel see this in his mind if they weren't banned they would be the best NA team right now and be competitive against Astralis and VP. I kind of agree with him as well. I do feel as though they would be more competitive if not on the same level as current C9 and OG with stanislaw. But then I also agree with you Thorin in that if they weren't banned there would less problems with NA CS.
>"NA Sucks because no IGLs" >NA best IGL banned >"Has nothing to do with why NA sucks" I don't think anyone is saying that exact lineup were the saviors, but some of the pieces within them if they were used to make an NA superteam today. Dazed, Swag, or Steel even individually placed into any NA team would improve them immeasurably.
At DHW iBP group was Dignitas and Penta who got out of group and iBP CPHWolves didn't. Dignitas beat iBP, Penta beat Wolves, Penta beat iBP VP played Penta and Dignitas played NaVi
They literally banned the best player in NA - swag and the two best igls - steel & dazed, obviously they would of had a dramatic impact of how good the NA scene would of been, especially if skadoodle got banned (which he probably should've) c9s run probably would of never happened in that one summer
I think the IBP ban crippled NA because they didn't have a chance to form the "super team" and every other region technically has a super team. And when a top tier player gets replaced on a super team they go to the 2nd or 3rd best team and start molding the up and coming talent and this is how a region becomes dominate. So with the IBP ban it delayed that process in NA.. But that being said NA has so much money invested there is no excuse to not have 2 teams in the top 10 from here on out..
justin white That's a bad excuse, at least in NA you have a much larger pool of players to choose from because most people speak the same language, something which can't be said about EU teams.
justin white Which region has a super team? Super teams generally don't form in CS, the superstar level plays tend to not converge, for reasons of ego and money.
Why does Thooorin always wear a winter jacket with a scarf? Does he turn off heating to save money? Its been going on for quite a while, so im pretty sure its not just the heating unit being broken... Someone please enlighten me... i am confused..
now by all means thorin is more of an expert in pro csgo, however he's looking at na now compared to ibp back then if that squad were playing pro together for another 3 years they would have improved to be able to at the very least take 3-4th at a major dazed is still even not as a pro anymore arguably the best igl in na and swag has the best natural talent besides maybe shroud na has ever produced. its hard to honestly say that having arguably 2 of the 5 best na players gone has not effected world performances.
nick C Shroud? Is that the guy who never shows up on Lan? Mate shroud is nothing but a streamer, super overrated as a player. In late 2014 swag was one of the best players in the world, arguably top 10 in the world. Swag is a way better talent than shroud ever was.
i meant natural talent shroud if u watch him just play is insane but on Lan i agree he is trash. like if u watch him just in his room pugging it out his aim is incredible he just chokes when it matters.
They may not be the saviors, but players like DaZeD and Swag would be very useful if they were untanned tomorrow. Now granted, this doesn't mean a whole lot because this will never happen, unless the whole "VAC ban" ruling thing gets pushed hard enough to include players involved in match fixing.
In the scene there are higher skill players now but there aren't any true leaders now. If u could pair a great mind like steel or dazed with guys like stew that are in the scene now, you could actually make a top 5 team
didnt thorin talk about how a primary problem with NA is no good IGLS, and bring up how one of the best igls in csgo(dazed)is banned from the game? If na had a igl like dazed I think NA would be at a far better place than it is now.
1:50 Thorin, you should watch more cs go and stop looking stats... That totaly incorrect and stupid thing to say, i think theres STILL no better player in NA than brax, imo top 2 of all time...
I feel like this video is a direct response to my comment on one of your last videos. (I'm not really that arrogant) I more or less wish I knew your opinion on whether or not they should be unbanned especially when you consider other e-sports teams (albeit other games) get shit like 1 year bans and not permanent banned. also, would this situation be better if we had a unified regulatory body for E-sports to set unified expectations for drug use and law breaking. right now the Dev makes the rules and they seem to be in the interest of the dev and not the sport or game. I understand this wouldn't be easy or to some degree feasible. but I think it'd make a fun topic to see you play Devils advocate for.
only if they waited a bit longer they would not throw , they were elite team back then and steel said they would get 10-15K year sallary , now shit teams like splyce , clg , selfless etc, get 3-5k a month ..
Cavacas :D that is literally less than minimum wage which a ton of poor ass families live off of. nobody would work a whole fucking year of gaming for less than minimum wage. yes there was streaming but csgo wasnt as big at the time
Damn, Boomeo has the power to make Thorin say good things about Adren.
Shady23axd thoorin Said Adren is Not A good player but Gave adrens videos Alot of props for the Knowledge he has in general of understanding the game
Yes I know. In fact, he has said this before.
SkyyyGO adren is a good player tho
must be a fantastic app
Shady23axd He said he is a rather Bad player and IGL, but respected his knowledge outside of the game and his ability to analyse situations and team play.
Always on point, damn.
Ay fam love ur vids
SuperstituM love the vids bro
Santiago Novillo thanks bro
Artic Tundraz thanks brah!
SuperstituM when's the next one coming out?
When will thorin finally get heating?
Paul probs never
Paul when he livea in hia actual house for more than like 2 months a year
Thought I was the only one thinking this lol. Does anybody actually know why he's always in full ice-fishing gear indoors?
CantThink OfAName He travels so much that he finds its not worth buying heating for his house
Paul never lol
3:03 byebyepower xD
Professor Foxtrot Ecks dee
mittens is such a normie name, should've named it shadilay
lol
:o
I agree that iBP isn't the lone reason, or even top 3 reasons that NA isn't advancing like we hope they would, but I think that it is a pretty big deal that Swag, one of the best if not the best rifle players in NA as well as DaZed and Steel being banned because they are not only both very viable IGL's, going back to a video of yours that I think was from like last week, I feel like they could be leaders of men just like you said NA needs. I know they obviously aren't the saviors of NA's problems, but it does seem like if they were allowed to compete, the NA scene would be at least a little bit healthier having 2 more good IGL's in a C9 or now OpTic. Great video as usual btw :)
FalloutFPS swag and dazed would probably be in c9 or rest of c9 would be in IBP if they didnt get banned
tbh steel doesnt have the psychology for a top tier igl in my opinion. that may just be his stream personality though.
Go watch some of his demo reviews, hes a very intelligent player
intelligent player =/= good igl
Question: Why doesn't Thooorin spend some money and get central heating?
Savage Banana eco friendly
He's never in his house. He's always at hotels and shit for tournaments.
the first time thorin has talked good about adreN, and that's when he's sponsored LUL
FreezyNadeZ he has said it before on a video on adren. He said something like adrenaline is a better mid round caller than a fill in game. like when he was in IBP. He prob got flustered with all the shit he has to think about.
he can play as well, watch columbus major. Very consistent and good performance
Well Adren is awesome in mythic. Star player, has fun and makes money. And more people watch them than cloud9.
Luke well, how much money does he make from streaming for Mythic? How many subs/donations does he get a day, I can't see him making more than $100-$200?
I watched the whole thing already
GhostyxiCS I always wanted to meet Dr. Who. How are you?
David
im really glad you did this video. ive always thought that people way over played how good ibp were and held them up to a much higher level than they really were
But they were the saviors of NA
VERTGAMES I'm going to assume you didn't watch the video because Thorin talks about why this isn't the case for half the video.
Sh0gun Not everything Thorin says is just 100% gospel. He's just giving his opinions. Idk who's claiming they were "saviors" anyway. They are undoubtedly the best 5 NA has put together in GO. That 5 was only together for months, not years. We have no idea what would have happened.
Saviours*
Whoosh...
saviors is also right
S1mple was NAs real savior BibleThump
The best part is: S1mple isn't even american
I feel like we all wanted to see this video talking about ibp again
thorin, you touched on steel coaching but didnt mention steel coaching CLG before ESL/ESEA Pro League finals (where they beat fnatic in the opening match. You can hear the players mention steel was coaching them and they talk about what he told them to do in the stream/vod with team comms
The team wasn't great, but the players were superb, imagine what they could add to the scene today
"The best mind in CS, my own"
Hmm, HUNDEN looks different.
lol
Hey the article is corrupt can you gimme a new link?
the things you said about dazed, i think this can also happen to niko cuz he s so toxic but insanely good
In all fairness didn't you say one of the reasons NA scene is at the place it is, is because a lack of IGL's, and you also said one of the reasons there aren't any is because IBP got banned, so wouldn't that be an integral part that could be fixed if they were hypothetically not banned; therefore making the scene much better overall
And this is why his video are "Thorin's Thoughts"
Can't wait to watch :D
I don't think they were saviors by any stretch. I do think that the NA scene would be stronger if they were still around, as the talent pool would be deeper. I personally think they should be unbanned, as other punishments handed down by valve have been inconsistent with the punishments handed to IBP.
Additionally, valve should have a set framework of rules and punishments in place if they haven't already, as the inconsistency in past punishments can make it seem as though they make examples out of some, and then go more lenient with others.
They might not of been saviors but they had alot of fans that wanted to see them continue.
Don't let steel see this in his mind if they weren't banned they would be the best NA team right now and be competitive against Astralis and VP. I kind of agree with him as well. I do feel as though they would be more competitive if not on the same level as current C9 and OG with stanislaw. But then I also agree with you Thorin in that if they weren't banned there would less problems with NA CS.
>"NA Sucks because no IGLs"
>NA best IGL banned
>"Has nothing to do with why NA sucks"
I don't think anyone is saying that exact lineup were the saviors, but some of the pieces within them if they were used to make an NA superteam today. Dazed, Swag, or Steel even individually placed into any NA team would improve them immeasurably.
Ive been waiting for this video
"music going on in their headphones" classic shox LUL
If dazed was inserted in the scene now, assuming he wanted to, he would be a huge + .
If Dazed got unbanned I would like to see him replace someone in C9. Would be nice to see stewie and automatic under dazed.
reguardless of past results having more matured top level talent in the north american pool today would undenyably help the scene today.
Duncan "Then You Gotta Add In 'Joe' Miller" Shields
If IBP unbanned, you would be able to see a complete re do of the NA rosters i would assume.
they didnt need to save us, they were hope, another spark
At DHW iBP group was Dignitas and Penta who got out of group and iBP CPHWolves didn't. Dignitas beat iBP, Penta beat Wolves, Penta beat iBP
VP played Penta and Dignitas played NaVi
They literally banned the best player in NA - swag and the two best igls - steel & dazed, obviously they would of had a dramatic impact of how good the NA scene would of been, especially if skadoodle got banned (which he probably should've) c9s run probably would of never happened in that one summer
if Dazed wasn't banned he would save optic
Valid points but imagine if Dazed was playing rn, he could IGL for OpTic. That team would be scary against anyone
I think the IBP ban crippled NA because they didn't have a chance to form the "super team" and every other region technically has a super team. And when a top tier player gets replaced on a super team they go to the 2nd or 3rd best team and start molding the up and coming talent and this is how a region becomes dominate. So with the IBP ban it delayed that process in NA.. But that being said NA has so much money invested there is no excuse to not have 2 teams in the top 10 from here on out..
justin white That's a bad excuse, at least in NA you have a much larger pool of players to choose from because most people speak the same language, something which can't be said about EU teams.
justin white Which region has a super team? Super teams generally don't form in CS, the superstar level plays tend to not converge, for reasons of ego and money.
Why does Thooorin always wear a winter jacket with a scarf? Does he turn off heating to save money? Its been going on for quite a while, so im pretty sure its not just the heating unit being broken... Someone please enlighten me... i am confused..
now by all means thorin is more of an expert in pro csgo, however he's looking at na now compared to ibp back then if that squad were playing pro together for another 3 years they would have improved to be able to at the very least take 3-4th at a major dazed is still even not as a pro anymore arguably the best igl in na and swag has the best natural talent besides maybe shroud na has ever produced. its hard to honestly say that having arguably 2 of the 5 best na players gone has not effected world performances.
nick C Shroud? Is that the guy who never shows up on Lan? Mate shroud is nothing but a streamer, super overrated as a player. In late 2014 swag was one of the best players in the world, arguably top 10 in the world. Swag is a way better talent than shroud ever was.
i meant natural talent shroud if u watch him just play is insane but on Lan i agree he is trash. like if u watch him just in his room pugging it out his aim is incredible he just chokes when it matters.
These intros are golden.
But, but, but... Imagine dazed and swag finally getting rid of shroud on n0thing on c9 :'(
People say UK and US cs is shit
They havent seen the Australian scene yet
finally , i've been waiting for a response from you
when's alphadraft going to pay your heating bills?
They may not be the saviors, but players like DaZeD and Swag would be very useful if they were untanned tomorrow. Now granted, this doesn't mean a whole lot because this will never happen, unless the whole "VAC ban" ruling thing gets pushed hard enough to include players involved in match fixing.
"The S1mple of in game leaders" LOLOLOL so funny yet so true, imagine Dazed IGLing S1mple LOL!
steel dazed and swag are still top 10 best players in NA.
The individuals might be saviors, but not the team.
This is going to be good
I like Csgo
Billy Hashbrown You actually don't
is it actually winter in his house ?
Not saviours, but hope!!!
Thorin do u live in the Arctic? u wear at least four layers of clothes indoor. where is ur heater?
does this man never have heating
Thorin turn on your god damn heater
In the scene there are higher skill players now but there aren't any true leaders now. If u could pair a great mind like steel or dazed with guys like stew that are in the scene now, you could actually make a top 5 team
Swag could have been one of the best players in the world if he didn't get banned.
3:02 ByeByePower? :D
Love his plugs, I actually listen to them.
40MILLION VIEWS DO AND AMA NOWWWW
i like how we r hailing na for winning one international tournament and making the final of one major. haha, look at eu
Rip boomeo
Wow this going to be controversial with IBP fanboys on reddit to say the least
What do i say
would they get to the final? yes if they had s1mple
why does thorin wears a scarf in his videos?
didnt thorin talk about how a primary problem with NA is no good IGLS, and bring up how one of the best igls in csgo(dazed)is banned from the game? If na had a igl like dazed I think NA would be at a far better place than it is now.
DaZeD isnt a good IGL. imo too toxic rn
1:50 Thorin, you should watch more cs go and stop looking stats... That totaly incorrect and stupid thing to say, i think theres STILL no better player in NA than brax, imo top 2 of all time...
the sponsors are back!!!!!!!
Why doesn't Adren just coach?
I feel like thorin has a heavy bias for european teams, giving a plethora of excuses for other teams playing badly, but not NA teams.
ban both, you can't have one coming back in 2 years, and the other banned for life...
6:38 lol, thorin more like spithorin
I just want them unbanned to be honest.
iBP best na team 4ever
#FREEDAZED
did you even watch the video ? you should know dazed helped destroy swag's csgo career. and now he makes shitty youtube videos with clickbaity titles.
bacchusignoramus swag destroyed his own career.
bacchusignoramus give me an example of his click bait titles
KQLY is playing again
+Divine Miner He really is playing again wtf do you even mean?
iSCAMPOWER
DillonBUR1 lol in not salty just saying the truth, na throw is real
I feel like this video is a direct response to my comment on one of your last videos. (I'm not really that arrogant) I more or less wish I knew your opinion on whether or not they should be unbanned especially when you consider other e-sports teams (albeit other games) get shit like 1 year bans and not permanent banned. also, would this situation be better if we had a unified regulatory body for E-sports to set unified expectations for drug use and law breaking. right now the Dev makes the rules and they seem to be in the interest of the dev and not the sport or game. I understand this wouldn't be easy or to some degree feasible. but I think it'd make a fun topic to see you play Devils advocate for.
It's true
Even if They got unbanned. AZK plays competitive overwatch so lel
He plays for team liquid kek
dazed swag stewie2k rush mixwell- NA's last hope dream team rn
only if they waited a bit longer they would not throw , they were elite team back then and steel said they would get 10-15K year sallary , now shit teams like splyce , clg , selfless etc, get 3-5k a month ..
Cavacas :D that is literally less than minimum wage which a ton of poor ass families live off of. nobody would work a whole fucking year of gaming for less than minimum wage. yes there was streaming but csgo wasnt as big at the time
You dont know what you're talking about. Minimum wage isn't 36-60,00$.
he meant 10-15k a month. idk what cavacas got per year info from
The XxXcrazyg4yhack3rXxX you don't have to pay them minimum wage.
mcnugget they got 15k a year you realize even now most top 20 teams don't get 15k a month
I hope carrie told you you're a g. She told me she would lol.
We all know the real saviour of NA is A2Z
nice
they were our only hope!
And now they're banned because they took a shit on all their fans and threw a match for money
i see ad i click on it
If you wanna do more editing you can write the names on the team youre talking about
#FreeBrax
But iBp bae tho :(
ByeByePower*
+I sell kids for memes Yeah great job that's actually funny ByeByePower that rhymes at all!
Honestly the only player in IBP who could have been a star was Maybe Swag. But yeah having one star on a team doesn't rely mean much.
If they kicked dazed and steel for desi and nitro they hella deserve to stay banned xd Kappa
gold nova 2
JUST BUY A FUCKING CONVECTOR
#FREEIBUYPOWER
hi im negan
Free IBP
na sucks because kids wants real jobs....playing league of legends.
Bye bye power
why is he wearing a jacket?