3 reasons you need a MID-LENGTH SURFBOARD
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Surfboard designs and trends seem to run through fashion-style cycles in which the every day consumer, you and me, unknowingly find ourselves swept up.
What I’m enjoying about the last twelve months is that practicality has been a large driver behind the alternative crafts dominating the market at the moment; namely, people are switching out their high performance shortboards for puffed up twinnies or, the subject of this video, mid-length boards.
Today I want to explore 3 reasons Why Mid Lengths Have Taken Over the surfboard market and have a chat with some well known experts along the way.
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I love retro/egg boards cuz they paddle so easy, still are maneuverable and just look so stylish especially on big waves
I have the 7'0 chilli midstrength. I am an intermediate on the beginner side. Such a great board! The amount of waves I catch compared to my 6'1 lost v3 rocket is insane. My paddle fitness is getting better because I enjoy going out and catching loads of waves anywhere from 1ft to 2 ft overhead
Do you feel guilty by taking waves off of other surfers by using a paddling enhancer instead of a apropiate surfboard for your ability? Because this is where it all comes down to. PURE SELFISHNESS.
@@rasmuszaurins7233 man you are soooooo wrong! Like, really wrong.
@@FranciscoJavier246 Why?
@@rasmuszaurins7233 because it is not a competition. End of discussion.
@@rasmuszaurins7233 If you're a good enough surfer it shouldn't matter
I recently purchased a 7’1 Stacey Ohlson Twin and it is one of the most fun boards I’ve ever had in my 35 years of surfing! I also ride a 5’9 Lost Round Nose Fish and a 6’3 Stacey Lab Rat but I can’t get off the Ohlson Twin! It catches everything with ease and it’s super fast and surprisingly maneuverable! 🔥🤙🏽
Dude!!! Those dolphins just chillin' I'd get so distracted watching and enjoyinh nature. Where did you film that? Someday I'll go visit 🤙🏽
South Australia has the most interactive dolphins in the world
@@KalesBroccoli whenever I'm ready for one of those trips I'll keep it in mind. Meanwhile practicing over in America (México) until I can hit the outback 🤙🏽
Thanks for the awesome content 🙌🏼
Awesome video 👍. Totally agree, going from a large board down to a smaller one, really improved my surfing when i started SUP surfing and then went back to my regular boards. Also how timely, just shaping a midlength!
hey dude! this is amazing, keep going at it without sponsors, regular folks (like myself) need objective reviews from everyday surfers!
I have yet to own a brand new board, but I love the 2 that I have. My performance/everyday board is a 6'0'' Annesley Fun and I love how versatile it is on all waves I've ridden. Then I got the small wave board, which is a 5'8'' Modern Highline. While both boards offer plenty of volume (I live in Argentina and the waves are not as powerful as you'd find in the Pacific), the Annesley is an amazing board, super fun to ride, turns like a mofo, and the Highline has that sweet rounded square tail that helps a bunch when trying to catch weaker (or smaller) waves.
I'm still in the early stages of intermediate surfing and I live in the city (over 500km from the nearest beach) so I ride my surfskate everyday. I've owned quite a few of these babies and ended up building a nice little zombie with a wide deck, long enough for my stance (I'm 178cm tall), regular 70mm longboard wheels, Waterborne surf and rail adapters, Thunder trucks front truck (it's a 145mm skateboard truck) and a 180mm longboard truck in the back (so as to simulate the hold you get from having the fins on a surfboard).
Cool video, I love my mid-length GW (local shaper)! I agree with you that surfing a mid-length is a great tool for improving my surfing once I get back to my shortboard. I think it improves a number of ways, for one the wave count is much higher on my mid-length during summer surf, two it is a beast to turn and rip on but once the waves get better it really cleans up my turns on my shortboard and makes them effortless. Finally it improves my duck diving technique a 7'6" is a beast to duck dive so when I get back on my 6'4: it feels so much easier. Great video!
I have a 6”10 soul evo 2 I bought last summer and it’s been a joy to ride every time I’ve had it
I have a 7'5" Lovelace V.Bowls (single fin, hull shaped board) I purchased because I knew it was a quality board (got an incredible deal too) even though it doesn't fit my style of surfing. I've had it a couple of years now, and its forced me to be more fluid in my surfing. Before I purchased this board, I had a 7'6" Machado Seaside and Beyond (double concave quad) that is the perfect fit to my style of surfing, I love surfing rail to rail. I broke this board after owning it for only a month (LFT doesn't belong in Hawaii). With the V.Bowls, I can take off real early or super deep and late, speed through sections most boards can't make, and best of all, paddle hard and make it outside for what's a cleanup set for everyone else. All in all, the best board to surf is the one you have with you!
Thanks Kale! Please do a mid-length board test. 🙏🏽
2023 🤙🏽
Please include the Harley Ingleby Mid 6 if you can on a review. They are hard to find but there are some great and very limites reviews on RUclips. As always great review, thanks for sharing
6.6 x 21 x 2 5/8, handmade by my local shaper. Greatest addition to my quiver yet.
I also surf a shortboard (5.8 x 27L) and a real fat groveler (5.10 x 38L) and I'm loving every board I have, based on the conditions I get. Mediterranean sea: very sketchy :D
I'm studying 8 days a week so I really need that extra foam under my chest to catch more waves and have fun. But the midlength is blowing my mind. Good for small waves, AMAZING in bigger waves.
Riding a libtech pickup sticks 7’6 and love it
Awesomeness awesomeness awesomeness!!! It would be nice to see you do a comparison between different types of mid-length surfboard; high performance, versus your twin fin, versus a thruster mid-length surfboard and so on... Thanks!!!
This is funny. I was just talking with my friend about getting a 'mid length'. I only have short boards. I don't long board at all but as i get older I'm wanting to try out a mid length. Perfect video
Never seen a surfboard snapped in person before. Watched 3 midlengths snapped clean in half on bar beach newcastle on a 7foot day within 1 hour! It was awesome.
Great vid Kale .. was in the market for a mid length board and the this hit the nail , right on the head 🤙🏽🤙🏽🏄🏽♂️
I love my Volume Shapes Mid length (VUI) 7'4 - Great summer board and plenty of fun
Kale, I noticed your surfing on the 5'4" in this video was smoother/ more patient/ more stylish (less bouncy) than in other clips, having just spent time on the the mid-lengths prior (I presume) - supporting your theory that mid-lengths improve your surfing on shorter boards. Keep exploring this!
Really interesting short video thanks. My sons just bought a mid length 6'10" Pukas and loves it, ride a 8''6" due to my lesser skill and middle age!
What's your son's height/weight and maybe age? I'm 45 and struggling a little on smaller days with a 6'10" single fin, but no problem on a 7'4" or my 8'6" log. I might be too old for the smaller boards
Nice video has ever,
If you wanna make a Mid length video don't forget to put the One Bad Egg from Mark Phipps Euroglass on the start line, it's an absolute banger
Hi! I just got my obe in 6’8 39lt and as is my first mid length I’m a bit lose about the fins set up.. Could you recommend me a 2+1 fins set. Cheers!
Hi @@felipep2666 ! If you want and go surf 2+1 setup you can use a 8' fcs2 connect combined to two lateral FCS2 performer from a classic truster you can dm me on Instagram @charlesparavisini 🤙🏻
Always learn something from your videos Kale. Cheers.
Glad to hear it!
i like them in kinda bigger mellow waves more of like a roll in style wave sometimes i forget and try take off super late it never goes well
Convinced I usually only surf river waves but I'm going to get a mid-length just cause now. Thanks Kale!
I been surfing a 6'0 twinny for the last year and the mrs bought me a 7'6 2+1 for the small summer days and I love it but I went out on the weekend on my twinny again and felt super unstable and just couldn't get the groove back..
I have a 6'8 Chilli Mid Strength and love it. Ridden it from shin high waves to double overhead. Great board. It's also a very easy transition from riding shorter boards. I think that transition is key for enjoyment. I find it feels familiar but just longer. I suspect that this is not the case with all mid lengths. I think a Mid Length shootout would be interesting.
Got a 6'10 and it's the bomb. Knee high to overhead it's my go to. Surf's like a short board and paddles almost as well as a more traditional midlength. Hardly any reason to use my longboards anymore and I'll step down to 5'10 epoxy HS Plunder if I really want to short board.
What fins are you ride?
@@davidkaiser8739 quad Endorfins
@@terenceingram7786 thx a lot!!
Whats yr weight on the 6’8? Im tryin to decide 6’8 or 6’10
Nice video - like always :) i have Lost PJ HP 5.10 33L and of course softboard from Decathlon Olaian 6.0 40L perfect for fun on small wave
One day I have hope You come to Poland :) ruclips.net/video/--7O_P2Yr-g/видео.html
What twinfin set up do you use riding a Mid Strenght Chilli? Thx
Have you tried the JS Big Baron? Would you recomend?
yep got a 6-8 egg single fin very fun board
Preaching to the converted..7'1👌..'Mickey February style 🤙🏾'
Which mid do you recommend that rides somewhat like a performance thruster?
I have a question I really need answering, I just bought a second hand board, I’m pretty new to surfing, it’s a 6’11 by 20 with a pointed nose and fish tail, is this a midlength board or a gun?
Sounds like a fun
Gun
@@KalesBroccoli😢
The fish looks like it’s always bogging down and you have to muscle the turns, the Chili looked the cleanest.
Ehi Kale great video!! Quick question: Is it better to go with just two fins with mid lenghts when waves are smaller? Thank you so much! Love your contents and the surfskate program!! Ciaoooo from Italy
Kale can you do a review of the new chilli, middy, preferably the 6:2.
There is something about the midlength look/style. They have a nice flow
how would you ride a typical 7'0 egg? twin or single fin?
been surfing a big fish 7’2 when is higher than waist height and it goes really well. but when i surf it in smaller days it’s kinda hard to flow, i thought maybe if i get something smaller around the 6’6 it’d be more manoeuvrable in the smaller days and still give me enough confidence for the bigger days? any opinions? help
Can I use this to replace step-up?
Did you ride the green board as a tri or a twin?
I have the mid strength and the faded 2.0 what would be a good twinnie to compliment this progression?
I have the chilli mid 6.6 and its awesome! 🇮🇱🎼🖤🤙
who is the other person he mentions at 1:22 after Torren Martyn? I can't understand and the name doesn't come up on the screen
I love my Modern 6'8". At 54L you can catch little 2 footers on up. It's light but not too light and quite stable at 22 7/8" wide. I was on the fence between a Firewire Sweet Potato, but I find the Helium boards a bit too light. It was also 1/2 the price of the Sweet Potato, which sealed the deal for me.
I also have a 7'10" from Formula Fun for small days. At 78L, you can pretty much catch bathtub ripples, but it's easy to put on rail and pull a really hard bottom turn on a bigger wave.
Hey kale how r u? I’m really digging CI mid as I’ve heard it’s an all round board and I’m toying between getting a 7.0 or 6.10. Wdyt? I’m 178cm (5ft10) and 75kg. I’ve been surfing for 2 years and wouldn’t consider myself too advance but I was surfing a 6.8 hybrid fish 45L before and can catch waves and go down the line.
So for smaller conditions I have something like a pyzel crisis mid 8.0 and a mini mal 8.0 so I think smaller conditions I have covered. But I wanted a backup board as I cracked the 6.8 right before a surf trip and didn’t get it fixed in time. The CI Mid 6.10 is 42L and 7.0 is 44L so it’s a bit of a gamble. I think following the rough rule of 12 inches bigger than your height I am going to try getting the 6.10. But with mid length they said it’s better to have more liters so better to go with the 7. Lemme know if you have further thoughts.
First, also great video man hope to see more in future.👍
Thank you for this great video. I am up to buy a used mid-length surfboard (Epoxy, 7ft.6), needle nose with thinner rails (according to the description of the seller and the picture). I am transitioning from a foamboard (wavestorm 8ft). Do you think this new board will help me improve my skills? or it will be hard to paddle since it's needle nose? I'm 5.7 ft tall and weigh 155lb. Thank you for your help. Also it's 21" wide.
I’ve got a 6’10 Spearhead from Ben Webb. 2+1 setup and absolutely froth it.
hi kale I have a question does a mid length differ with ur size and weight or is there a sort of height a mid legth sould be if thats makes sense
I’m an intermediate surfer and I wanna buy a middy for me, I’m no shore if I get de CI Mid or Chilli Middy, which one do you recommended for someone like me who is able to navigate the wave competently and wanna start to do some turns and basic manoeuvres, I’m riding atm another mid 7.4 with 48 volume
What fins are riding in this clip?
Why do you wat a board that is good in big surf and ultra small at the same time (but not middle surf)? It has never happened to me that I think it is going to be huge and it is completely flat.
Hi kales u should try the mid6 by Harley ingleby . congrats for your Channel Aloha from Spain
why dont you run a 2 + 1 set up kale? that seems to be the most popular mid set up to me.
I like twin better :)
Happy New Year. Found your channel last year, great content. I Currently have a 7'6 59L foamy, bought a 6'6 hypto but too unfit to paddle around so im thinking 7'6 mid length. I was thinking mid strength because it seems to be the only one with a 5 fin option. Any dramas using thruster set up vs the twin you used?
Twin for loose fun in smaller stuff maybe and thruster for bigger stuff more stability
It's a good idea to work in with your local shaper, they'll shape you a board for you skill level/goals and it's keeping the money all local to
My favorite is My Bic 7 ft egg
Hey Kale! Thanks for this video. I’ve got a 7’ 8” Torq ModFun. Would you treat something like that more as a long board, or a mid-length?
I'm surfing a 8" Soft for 2 years now. I'm considering the Torq V+ 7.8 or 7.4. How is your experience from the board so far? what was your previous board?
Is there a length/volume “rule of thumb” for mid lengths? In other words, if I typically ride thrusters 6’2”-6’4” and 36-38 liters, what should I be riding in a mid length? Would I go up about a foot to 7’2”-74” and 50-52 liters? (I’m assuming that since you mentioned your Chilli is 6’6” and if I’m not mistaken your thrusters are in the 5’6”ish range). Thanks!
No hard rules just general shape and length
I have a Firewire Seaside and Beyond 7', it is a great board. I'm more of an intermediate, the funny thing about it is that I can tic tac that board better than my 5'11" Lost Puddle Jumper, maybe it is because the Seaside and Beyond is narrower. Yes, would love to see a midlength test.
Would love to see Kale test the Seaside and Beyond! A semi local (to me in) RUclipsr, Yuri (Skipper Surf review) rides a lot of mid lengths in his videos. He raves about the SSAB. I bought a 6'9 7S Superfish 4 which I love but the Chili looks amazing and the SSAB just calls out to me. Wondering if should get it longer than my 7S? If I get it lol.
That pulled in and thinner out tail is money
@@JiahaoLin What size your riding?
@@richscoza4362 I'm an not expert but I think it will depend on your weight, I got the 7'0 because I weight 185bl (84K) and I wanted to still be able to duck dive it.
@@alfonsosaballett6676 gotcha. I’m 165 and would still get a 7.0 or bigger I think.
Hey kale, it’s crazy how easy your gliding into these. I’m not sure how big you are, but I cannot get my 7 4” tolhurst into a wave unless I’m so far forward that I lose the ability to use the tail on the take off.
Was the Chilli ridden as a twin?
Awesome intro!
What fin setup were you using on that Chilli? Not sure whether to order the thruster or 5 fin to run a quad
Twin
I went 5 fin with mine. It's far more versatile. Didn't think I'd like the quad setup at all but I haven't switched them out since using them. I'm 5'8", 85kg, 45yo and surfing for 33 years. Went with stock 6'10" and using the CF5 Large set (5fin set) from Captain Fin Co. No complaints other than perhaps switching to thruster on choppier days where the quads slide a little on heavy turns..
6'6 Big daddy shortboard haha 👌
Hi mate, nice video. Can you share your hat brand?
O&E
What is your favorite surf hat?
www.kalebrock.com.au/store/p/surf-hats
I would rather surf better when I eventually catch the wave then go bigger and reduce my performance.
Speaking for lovers of wave catching crutch boards everywhere...we salute you. 🤙
I used to think that too
You have to surf well to surf any board well. And as Kale mentioned here, riding a bigger board irons out bad habits in your surfing. It takes better technique to turn bigger boards. It does take a period of adjustment when you switch between the two but that's a small price to pay.
Go bigger! Go more like 7'6"+
Fyi - I went from 7'9" middy to now 8'2". Dunno, but they seem to work best if they float a bit better than you'd think...
Oh, and my 7'9 worked just fine.
Where are you located?
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Lets not forget that depending on type of surf break its convenient to be able to duck dive the board, which you cannot on a mid length. So if you are not going to be able to duck a mid, then why not step up to a bigger more versatile mini mal or funboard.
who cant duckdive a mid hahahahaha
Ours is a world of trade-offs.
Middle length means 7 foot?
Kinda but no hard rules
1 vote for the mid length test
Paddles easily, can't turn for sh-t
This is ridiculous, I’d rather not surf than ride that absurdity. In fact, the day I feel I can no longer paddle out and enjoy a session on a board under 5’9 will be the day I stop surfing.
Big grumpy old guy energy
Ignorance is bliss
Quit surfing now...Help readily available to aid in your transition to non-surfer! 😂
Lol triggered
@@KalesBroccoli No, just someone who sets himself a GOAL to work off. Guess who will be longer in a surf fit shape? But you like to by lazy, advocting for localism and in this case of overvolumed boards, promoting wave hogging.
Weren't midlengths and longboards the only boards surfed in the 60s and 70s? With one fin.
Definitely do a mid-length review. I was slagged off my my friends for buying a Seaside and beyond when it was first launched, but many of them are turning to the darkside now. Great boards to have in the quiver. So many on the market now. A comparison test would be very worthwhile.
2023
I agree with you, I think the flow is better. At 40 years of age, I've accepted that I don't surf like a pro surfer the does vertical or airs surfing, I know my limit of surfing size wise as well..
Please do more mid length
I’m also 40 and getting back into surfing after a few years break. I can barely paddle my old 6’0 now, I picked myself up a Mid length, and off i went.
@@rahawk69 58 and getting back in the water so going with 6'8" minimum. I still want to be able to duck dive though.
@@MindBodySoulOk 7 months later my paddle power is getting back up there, i guess for both paddling and duckdiving it’s about balancing your body weight and strength to the volume and length of the board. I’m 75kg (165lb?), I’m riding boards from 6’0 - 6’8 length, and volume between 38L - 47L. I’ve found the volume to weight ratio really important. Get out there! 🤙
Same here ! 40 years old club member ! 😝
Do you think the midlength trend right now is a direct result of people going to small too soon?
Plenty good times with my 7'6" Flat Tracker 2.0.
I can't put my finger on it but I feel that you look way better on the album. It somehow looks like your rail gets hung up on the chilli. But here's the big disclaimer... I'm the student you're the teacher😳😅
No, your argument is valid wether you are teacher or not. When teachers are allways right that is argumentation by authority. And that is ALLWAYS a POOR argument. In REAL SCIENCE it is dismist automaticly. After all i agree with you, worst looks on longest board, best on shorter board, but still boring, because of lack of speed and spark. May be there is some fin configuration that solved this problem, i guess around 1980/81.
I wish i made my 7'6 look that smooth when I'm surfing it 😂
I love my lost 7,2 smooth operator!
I have the FireWire Seaside & Beyond 7’2” and I love it!
Really great video - and agree with all the others who are interested in a Mid-length review. I saw Devon Howards CI-mids on a video and bought one of the first ones off the rack - two years ago and absolutely loved it - it seems to be at its best in bigger stuff over groveller days and I think it has improved my surfing. Before that i had a Takayuki Scorpion for 10years+ and it was a great way to transition from long to shorter boards. It has a huge wide nose so it is less likely to be a go to on hollow waves - I would really like to see what you think of those boards versus the Seaside and beyond. Thanks for all your great videos - my 10yr old son can’t get enough of them
I wanna surf with Dolphins, where is that first shot? which coast of Aus will do xx
Southoz
Curious, are you running the FCS Power Twins in both? Great video 🤙🏼
Yep!
Heard the Hatchos Twin Pin Mid is popping off. Can't remember who told me.
I just added my first-ever mid-length board, and I'm having a little trouble getting used to the added length and thickness. As I've gotten older I've added weight and I took several years off so by default I went with a longer/higher volume board. I went with the Lost Party Crasher at 7'0" and 50 Liters... by far the longest and most buoyant board I've ever ridden. Ive only started riding it towards the end of the summer, but I'm still getting used to it. I am also a little rusty so I'm sure the skills will come back. Where I have the most trouble is knowing how far up or back I need to be when paddling, and finding the best center of gravity for the various types of maneuvers. This board seems so long (like what I imagined a long board would feel like) and I'm sure trial and error will fix it. Any ideas for me? Thanks.
Eric
I have a 6’10 Lost Smooth Operator. I have it for 4 years now. Completely love it. At 57 years old this my short board. I started surfing single fins in the 70s. It feels like similar DNA to those board only better
Sam Egan (father to Luke) and MR would be two of the most expert surfboard designer/shapers in the world. You should try asking them about what works how. They have been shaping for longer than most surfers have been alive.
went from longboard to 7'2 midlength, but im 6'2 myself.
bought a fish 6'1 and doing much better on it.
midlength for tall people feels akward, my experience on it!
i think i have the madness just been hard finding the right one. Im thinking of Lost crowd killer around 6'8 to 6'10 in the pin tail,
You mentioned they were ‘slower’ than your standard board. That is not the case. They are faster, that’s why they are used in slower waves. Just harder to turn. Surfboard design has always been a compromise between speed and manoeuvrability.
Can u do a video comparing dhd interceptor vs one bad egg vs mid crisis vs M23
I have a 7’6” global industries creative army huevo. Great board
Kales! I have a modern love child can you review it?
what fin box is best for the chilli mid strength
Just got one none of the above but looks 👌