Goth Philosophy Explained
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- Опубликовано: 7 ноя 2017
- When it comes to goth, the filter that determines what we find beautiful impacts our lifestyle of consumption, semiotic expression, music preferences, cultural norms/ideals, identity, and even ontology. The key area of the debate among goths, is what specifically constitutes that filter. My model of philosophical aesthetic or perhaps "pleasure aesthetics", largely relies on a phenomenological framework, and is constituted via 3 core pillars. Those 3 simply defined would be:
Uncanny: Making strange social conventions, art, etc. through morbidity, artifice, melancholy and sometimes parody. The discomforting or unnerving feeling as if someone has just walked over your grave.
Poeticism (the romantic): The emphasis on emotional experiences, largely derived from the fantastic, the mysterious, the Gothic, and the saccharine.
Otherness: The state of being different from and alien to mainstream cultural norms. Broadly through sartorial idioms, but this can include any other individual expressions of otherness through gender, sexuality etc. This is constructed within the context of a broader cultural discourse and as such is not static. This is largely where the "discordant bricolage" or the refusal to be nailed down and classified originates from in the goth ethos.
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I need to listen to this again because I had more thoughts than I can remember, but here’s what I do remember. I think that the simple use of “finding beauty in darkness” works well for describing goth to those who are otherwise uninterested (i.e. parents, grandparents, other family members, friends, passers by, etc.). I also appreciate that you expressed in a firm way that as a person one should be more complex than just being goth, and so they should feel no need to make everything they like fit into the goth cultural atmosphere or vice verse, making goth warp to fit the things they like. That is likely the largest misconception among people who are new to the culture so I’m really glad you addressed it here.
had to make a presentation on goths, ended up taking a philosophy class
What are your thoughts on androgyny in the goth scene. It was honestly one of the aspects along with the music and overall looks that pulled me in, but it seems to be dying out. I seem to be the only guy at goth events decked out like Siousxie :P (my androgyny is extreme though). But really any idea what has happened to that and if you could cover it in a vid. I for one love androgyny and my GF also loves it, and feels under represented when it comes to eye candy. :D
Sitting all in black in a lether jacket, and talking about philosophy is very goth. An important part of goth philosohy I would say.
While I have found no connection to gothic cultural, there is most definitely a philosophy that surrounds it, however open ended it might be. While the aesthetics are quite pleasing, I've discovered that the acceptance of the darker sides of nature to be the crux of what goth is. At least that is what I've come to believe. I appreciate your thoughts on this matter.🦇
Goth is an extreme state of mind and outer body feeling that enthralled me for years, and so I became what I love ed most. It is an ethereal and beautifully dark experience everyday and supernatural delight at 🌃. I love being this that what I have undyingly been for 16 years now.
I would hate to think of goth in a systemic way. Or as a model. It's still an avenue of fantasy, escapism and expression of the arts that encompass music based on the history. A personal philosophy is an opening for such things as 'I'm just expressing myself' arena, however kay sera sera. I have to say apart from the music which is my passion (as opposed to the literature et al), the esoteric paths such as tarot and spiritual paths are far more instinctual in relation to the 'the green widow' philosophy. Thanks for making this video.
This video has been extremely useful! I'm what people would probably call a "babybat" and I love to discover more on the subculture whenever I can. I also am interested in philosophy and this video cleared up many things for me and offers me an occasion to think about a lot of things. I wish more people would see this video.
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“Death smiles at us all; all we can do is smile back.”
I have a bit of a problem defining Goth as being in opposition to the wider culture. Goth is not like, say, Anarcho-Punk or hippie subcultures, who really DO see themselves as being at war with the mainstream culture. Even back when I was more formally a Goth, I worked hard, advanced in my career, paid my taxes, obeyed the law (apart from three or four speeding tickets), paid my rent (and later on my mortgage), stood for the national anthem at ball games, was well, if interestingly groomed and dressed, and hygienic, was and still am, polite as heck, etc etc., in short, a 'model citizen', just an eccentric-looking one. Almost all of the Goths I knew then, and the few I still remain in touch with, were pretty much the same. There is no inconsistency whatsoever in being a Goth and happily accepting the required duties of living and making one's way in the world of "normies".
This was very enlightening. This video really helped me become more comfortable with the culture. I’ve been comfortable with it but I just needed a good academic, lecture-like (I don’t know if that’s the right wording, sorry) approach to it to sink into it better.
Alright! After essentially writing a transcript and googling a bunch of this gorgeously academic terminology, I have my thoughts together!
I think this works well, though I'm curious as to why you exclude the Romantic philosophy in particular - I've argued previously in comments that the literary and artistic movement that is associated with Romanticism (which began in the late 18th century with the publication of Wordsworth & Coleridge's "Lyrical Ballads") was such an influence on what came after (gothic literature, art, poetry etc, and thence horror movies based on them, and then fashions & music based in large part on the gothic horror movies based on them in turn) that it could be seen as the true root of what's identifiable as Goth. You can actually see Coleridge's influence in Mary Shelley's writing - she quotes him a number of times in "Frankenstein".
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I just realized that this video was published on my birthday! Thank you dear!
The RUclips suggested this to me, despite it being years old.
And thank you for your videos. Always very well done and thought provoking.
I really like philosophy, so this video is really nice.