This guy knows his stuff. I bought my 2017 Ioniq based on his great videos. I knew more about the car than the salesman did. This battery upgrade is great. I only wish I could swap it into my car for that extra range.
Can't wait for a full test and maybe a race by you Bjorn to show what it is really like . We learn more from these than any blurb the manufacturers put out. Maybe something to line up when you get back and get the chance amongst all your other projects. Enjoy Japan and have a good meet up on Sunday.
Looking at the car I'm glad I ordered the old one. It just looks better imho. And I prefer the higher charge speed over the bigger battery. Also, the black nose was an option pack that in some cou tries was applied by default. But that really depends on the importing company.
I think that's right. I've seen that in a Korean video of the new Ioniq EV a few weeks ago. You could use it while driving like in a Tesla.
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On the KIA Optima PHEV, that Camera button activates the 270 degree camera system. The two side cameras are located under the side mirrors, but you wouldn't notice them if you don't know about them. Probably the same in this one.
Depends.. Maybe you don't get one of these cars for long range trips since the overall range is quite limited. You charge at home... drive work and errands and small trips to bigger city maybe and thats about it. More charging speed and range starts to cost 50k+ pretty fast
@@akse 30 KWh in 54 minutes means an average charging capacity of just 33 kw. This means that the new Ioniq is not yet compatible with the new 150 kW chargers. In most European countries a 3 phase power connection is standard at home. This would result in a charging capacity of 11 or 22 kw. A charging power of only 7 kw means that the Ioniq charger is not even compatible with European power connections. All in all, this is completely out of the question.
Jetzt plustern Sie sich doch bitte mal nicht so auf. Ihre Bedürfnisse sind nicht zwingend identisch mit den Bedürfnissen aller anderen. Außerdem ist es sehr wahrscheinlich, dass Hyundai marktspezifische Anpassungen an der Ladetechnik im Fahrzeug selbst vornehmen wird.
Weight increased by 35kgs, as per press spec. release of Hyundai. So probably the power increase is to compensate the increase in weight. I expect it to accelerate even more sluggish than the current generation, as the torque to weight ratio is less good now.
Hyundai has lowered the battery voltage from 360V to 319V. Therefore it charges slower at 50kW chagers than the old one. And still no 3 phase charger - max. AC chaging speed at home is 3,7kW.
@@cms1104 20A? A normal wall socket can supply 16A (this is when the fuse blows and they are actually rated for less than 16A). With proper cabeling you get "real" 16A/230V sockets (the blue ones). Or you could get 16A or 32A @ 400V.
Ioniq28 is such a good balance of weight/price/range/charging speed. Hope they don't mess it up with more weight and slower charging. It needs real 100kW charging to maintain the 2.5C charging rate...
Supposedly, there is lower voltage on the battery 319.4V vs 360 V on the old version. That could be why the new Ioniq might be less efficient at charging which would be a shame. If this is true, do you think it's because it now has a larger battery and is still only air cooled?
The slower charging is the bigest question hanging over the new Ioniq for me, second question is the battery life difference (slower charging > ? because of diferent chemistry ? = lower cycle life ?). We need 1000 km race between new and old Ioniq Bjorn ! If new one lose, than it is big step back for Hyundai !
@@KsiNixNie No, actually not. I guess 70-75 % 80-90 km/h and the rest 25-30 % 30-40-50 km/h. Auto sailing/0 regen + regen only down hill to keep the speed limit + before full/allmoast full stop saves a lot of energy, + 'an egg' between my foot and the pedal make it possible. Dam boring driving style anyway... Climate turned off.
Looking forward to see your test of ioniq but also of the new e-soul!!! On the current facelifts of ioniq and niro both brands are improving the quality perception in order to let consumer feel that ioniq/niro are more premium than kona/e-soul. Talking to a kia person here in Sweden I was told that e-niro will receive a small update next year (app support and refreshed instrument panel) but it will be more expensive (at least in Sweden). Today e-niros and e-souls cost about the same price here
I'm going to buy the 'outdated' Ioniq in the next days, because 1.) I don't need more range except for vacation and 2.) it DC charges nearly twice as fast (good on vacation) and 3.) I like the interior and 4.) it has a lower price and 5.) I can charge at home and 6.) I can use an app to read the SOC and 7.) the car heating is excellent (no need for pre heating).
Apparently Hyundai screwed up the press release and quoted Kona EV 64KWh DC charging numbers for the Ioniq. Apparently the real numbers are 80% in 23 mins on a 100KW rated station and 80% in 33mins on a 50KW rated station.
It seems that Hyundai uses in this facelifted Ioniq motor, onboard charger and battery cells (LG Chem ca 65 Ah) from Kona with 39.2 kWh battery. If you look at this Kona 39.2 kWh battery option charging times, they are the same as announced for the Ioniq DCFC 100kW: 54 min and DCFC 50kW: 57 min, both from 0-80%. So i think that it is correct.
@@OleVanDole Domenick is a writer at InsideEV's here is his tweet Check out @Domenick_Y’s Tweet: twitter.com/Domenick_Y/status/1124328631382237184?s=09
Hyundai should have put two old batteries in with two sets of chargers and charge ports built in under the hood (bonnet). Twice the range twice the charge speed etc... One charger option. 6.6 to 7.2 AC x two is 13.2 to 14.4 AC and 45 to 77 DC is 90 to 154 DC... :).
The difference in chargingtime to 80% between 100kW and 50 kW chargers is only 3 minutes. With the old one it was 7 minutes. That's an interesting point. Seems like the new Ioniq is a slow charging car compared with the old Ioniq. The only way to find the truth is a race Oslo-Trondheim-Oslo.
It is, just look at the charge time between old and new. The new one will charge to 80% with only 33kW on average or despite a battery that is only a third bigger it will take almost twice as long to charge to that point from empty.
@@Hans-gb4mv Apparently Hyundai messed up the press release and published Kona EV 64KWh charging times. The real numbers are 80% in 23mins on 100KW station and 80% in 33mins on 50KW station.
@@mycomment1862 Domenick is a writer at InsideEV's here is his tweet. Check out @Domenick_Y’s Tweet: twitter.com/Domenick_Y/status/1124328631382237184?s=09
My guess is that Hyundai are not going to be able to supply enough batteries to get these out in numbers. Here in Spain the Ioniq hybrid is probably the most common car on the road but I have never seen an all-electric version - not even one.
Wait why only 38.3 kWh? Can't they fit the 64kWh battery pack from the Kona and the Niro in there? I think it should be around 32.000€ since the 39kWh version of the Kona is available for that price here in Germany.
@Oshe Shango Yeah I know, but they could handle it like the Kona and the Niro, where you can choose wether you want the cheaper 39kWh pack or the longer range 64kWh pack.
Kona/Niro use a skateboard. The ioniq has the battery under the rear seats and trunk. Different design and less space. And I doubt theyll start at that price. The old one already started at a higher price. Add a couple of thousand for the bigger battery and I think a starting price of 35 or 36k.
The Ioniq and Niro are on the same platform. But I wonder if it's a ground clearance issue? Note the Kona EV and 2020 Soul EV are on a separate shared platform.
I think 300k (which is roughly the same €30,000 and £30,000?) is going to look expensive if the VW ID3 comes in at the prices they have suggested - about £5000 less than that and get close to 400km/250 mile range.
I don't think anyone has NDEC figures for the VW ID3 do they? VW themselves have been pretty keen to promote WLTP figures for their vehicles since 'dieselgate' anyway. www.volkswagen-newsroom.com/en/stories/from-nedc-to-wltp-2233
Have you tested the 39kWh Kona? Seems to have very close specs to that one. Also the charching figues are almost the same. Im hoping for a miracle but i think the new Ioniq is going to be a bad road tripper because of the slow charging speed.
YOu mention you can’t get an EV with that range in this price range but the biggest problem for us is that the current Ionic, with less range, in Australia is $60,000. Which puts it close to what the Telstra Model 3 will be at an anticipated $65,000. So down here there’s no way it’s competitive in price for range.
I'm looking forward for the real test, but i think it charges too slow for a reasonable travelling speed at long distances. +10 kWh more capacity would be enough, if it has the same charging speed than the predecessor.
I ask because I've recently read a tweet addressed to Elon about the sky high insurance prices in the UK plus many insurance companies deny insurances for tesla cars. 20 000£ per year for insurance is way to match iven for a tesla.
Like it doesnt sound bad, but I would just get (actually I've placed order) for Model 3 standard plus, 25% higher range, much faster (so fun), autopilot and has access to supercharger network, it's bit more expensive, but not as much.
As of 5/15/19 the Tesla model 3 BASE price starts at $39,000 (Actual price, not after the tax write-off next year). That's 240 miles range, and very good performance for a Black exterior, Black interior, Black wheels and NOTHING else. The "Long Range" option adds a cool $10,000 for a BASE price of $49,900. For that you get 310 miles range, faster acceleration and two motors. You now have the choice of getting the car in Black/Black and Black. Want a white car - add $1,500. Want non-black wheels - add $1,500 Want an ALMOST white interior - really just white seats with everything else pretty much black - add another $1,000. Want an all-digital, multi-function, dedicated driver's display with multiple options? Nope, you can't have that with the Model 3. Let's see, we're now up to $53,900 for our "$35K" Model 3. Give them another $6,000 NOW to have the option for full self-driving "later this year," OR, don't and pay them $8,000 to add the capability later - even though it's clearly nothing more than a software unlock. So, you're right, the Model 3 is only a little more expensive than the Hyundai Ioniq electric - about $30,000 "Little" more expensive. Yeah, I can see that....I can SEE how EVERYBODY who's looking to get into an electric for around $30K can just bust out for $60,000 for the CHEAPEST model Tesla instead. This also gets you a fairly decent BATTERY warranty of 8 years / 120,000 miles whichever comes first with guaranteed 70% battery capacity retention. The base CAR warranty is 4 years, / 50,000 miles. Not as good as Hyundai, but not as bad as some others. Hyundai's BATTERY warranty is LIFETIME for the same conditions. Hyundai's base is 5/60 BtB and 10/100 powertrain. Oh, and the Ioniq comes in colors other than black with interior colors other than black as part of it's normal pricing. I bought my Kona electric Limited for just over $42,000 - about $17K LESS than the Tesla. It's WHITE exterior with off-white leather interior - very open and spacious rather than the sensation of sitting in a cave. It also has real instruments, real environmental controls, without the need to keep looking over at a screen to see which touchscreen button to push. I don't think a lot of people have seriously thought about driving around with all visual information being presented on a center screen and the need to keep LOOKING at it to perform any task, as opposed to buttons, knobs and switches that can be "learned" and manipulated without taking your eyes off the road. Might want to consider just how much all THAT would add if Tesla had to incorporate conventional controls (safer)...probably at another $20K.
Hyundai has corrected the Kona EV base range to a WLTP of 289kms. Slightly less than the Ioniq. thedriven.io/2018/12/05/hyundai-revises-down-official-driving-range-for-kona-electric/
Bjorn could you make the comparison to the current BMW i3 120Ah which has similar battery capacity usability around 38kwh? Pricing maybe not so because I believe i3 is way more expensive in Norway. Cheers
I consider this a missed Hyundai opportunity to fit (if possible for the chassi) the 64kwh battery. Segment wise it would be a better match for it's main competitor, the Nissan Leaf. This way the Leaf E-Plus has no direct competitor for range in the C segment in Europe.
@@hazzerhazzer2741 sorry, I was not clear. I meant it should have been fitted with the 64kwh battery, as one more battery size option. This way it would be a better competitor for the C segment in Europe, specially against the Leaf. This way the higher range/battery Leaf E-Plus has no real competitors, and we, the buyers, have less options.
I've subscribed your channel. Those tests are very useful! I wonder if I attach a brenthon badge on the front sensor for the current version of ioniq will affect the function of the anti collision system. Can you test this? Thanks.
My only issue with the new Ioniq is charge speed, even if it has battery is bigger if first version is faster on a longer trip will people still want it? Can't wait for your test, will you do a race with 40 kw/h Leaf ?
"referral link: /dev/null" LMAO The sound quality was so good in this video that I asked my wife what she was doing about 3x before realizing it was "wifey". 😂
@@Aaronage1 Its with a Dealer so we are top of the list when they eventually get released. If you are Uk based, Speak with the Chorley Group, Ask for Patrick and say you saw my comment.
Current Ioniq has active cooling, no reason to assume the updated version won't have it. You're probably refering to liquid cooling, which the Ioniq doesn't have.
Hyundai says DC charging takes 54 minutes to 80%, those numbers are so slow, i assume they don't need active cooling for that. Just like leaf and e-Golf.
@@kasmopaya2676 The problem is the low voltage of the battery pack (319V), which negatively impacts the charging speed. Hyundai and Kia always implement active cooling in their cars, and there's no reason to not do it with the refreshed Ioniq.
Shiet! Cannot understand the. Bigger battery, next generation car, battery and charger und slower than before? What the heck... Consumption increased from very good 11.5kWh to more than 13kWh? Hmm. I expected more than 300Km WLTP ut OK. I expected a bit more for the facelift. Maybe quite OK compared to other EVs on that price level now. But this car is new (no delivery date in europe). Sorry, not this way. So going for Model 3 SR+.
300 Nm is equivalent to a 3.0L NA gasoline engine. Way enough. BTW Hyundai sounds like this: translate.google.no/?hl=no&tab=wT#view=home&op=translate&sl=auto&tl=en&text=%ED%98%84%EB%8C%80
Moto Z Play Sure it is. They’re marketing the Model 3 as an affordable EV for the masses. As batteries start getting bigger in cars made by major manufacturers they’ll factor into EV buyers’ decisions
Erik Stephens Yes. That’s why it can be cross-shopped with a Model 3. I’d certainly look at the two. Unfortunately, I live somewhere where neither is available :/
You are so wrong about Tesla's efficiency. They have the most efficient EVs in many categories: ruclips.net/video/150Z4l69CBo/видео.html ruclips.net/video/blqZ_rZ7WFI/видео.html
With 7KW charging though, when The model 3 can do 200KW charging. Even a home charger can do 30KW for Tesla. Also no car is closer to driving itself. The Tesla is the best investment.
It is infact called Double V(as it looks) and not Double U in Norwegian. W is not really in use in the language and has no seperate pronounciation from V. So saying W as V in english is one of the most common "mistakes" norvegians do in english.
Are you kidding? This things specs are worse than the outgoing (40kwh) Leaf. No HP, little torque, crap range. Its better than the current Fiat, Smart for 2. That's it that's all.
Compared to the leaf 40, the ioniq will be quite similarly specced, except the ioniq is a more efficient car with higher net battery capacity = longer range. Also it does not rapidgate super hard like the Leaf. Oh, and I bet it will be dirt cheap compared to the leaf also. 😉
@@st3ff3n87 you are comparing it to the 40kwh battery Leaf when the 62kwh battery Leaf is already available. A 50% better battery right now (I have tested one) vs waiting for an ioniq that will be unicorn rare.
@@ericjohnson3967 Of course I am comparing 40 vs 40. Leaf 40 has estimated range of 150 miles, while the new ioniq has (estimated) about 180 miles. The Leaf 62 offers 40% more range (226 miles estimated) than the leaf 40, which is good if you need a little extra range - but will it still rapidgate? Unless they've switched to a different battery pack supplier, I'm guessing it will still be an issue. Is it better to buy the leaf 62 than the new ioniq? That depends on the user's daily driving habit, I guess.
@@st3ff3n87 something I could buy of lease last month (64kwh version) vs 50% less battery that will be available????????? And if their other cars are the norm. The ioniq will be in limited supply. With as much as a 10k markup (like the Kona here in California). To that I say hell no.
This car is aimed at the European and Korean market. Many drivers of cheaper vehicles have only between 75 and 110HP to play with, so 135HP is plenty for the target market. I've been driving a 1.4 diesel with 78HP for the past 8 years in all sorts of scenario and never lacked power. 0-100 km/h in 15.6 seconds. For whatever in North America people still think they need 200+HP in their cars. No wonder they are so fuel inefficient..
This guy knows his stuff. I bought my 2017 Ioniq based on his great videos. I knew more about the car than the salesman did.
This battery upgrade is great. I only wish I could swap it into my car for that extra range.
The extra range is good, but charging takes forever with the new one.
If I'm gonna upgrade from my 2019 Ioniq, it's only after IoniqBjørn has tested and approved. Specially after testing the charging speed :-)
Charging speed looks like a true problem
Can't wait for a full test and maybe a race by you Bjorn to show what it is really like . We learn more from these than any blurb the manufacturers put out. Maybe something to line up when you get back and get the chance amongst all your other projects. Enjoy Japan and have a good meet up on Sunday.
Looking at the car I'm glad I ordered the old one. It just looks better imho. And I prefer the higher charge speed over the bigger battery.
Also, the black nose was an option pack that in some cou tries was applied by default. But that really depends on the importing company.
Camera view is sort of like a rear view mirror (that isn’t obscured by the boot spoiler) displayed on the new dash screen.
I think that's right. I've seen that in a Korean video of the new Ioniq EV a few weeks ago. You could use it while driving like in a Tesla.
On the KIA Optima PHEV, that Camera button activates the 270 degree camera system. The two side cameras are located under the side mirrors, but you wouldn't notice them if you don't know about them. Probably the same in this one.
Like the guess-o-meter, we can use bjorn-o-meter for the ranges. Usually his estimates are quite close to real world range. Thanks, Bjorn.
Bjorn-o-meter! That's a cool name. Well deserved for all the work he does
54 minutes to charge 30 kWh and no 3 phase charger are absoluteliy out of the question.
Depends.. Maybe you don't get one of these cars for long range trips since the overall range is quite limited.
You charge at home... drive work and errands and small trips to bigger city maybe and thats about it.
More charging speed and range starts to cost 50k+ pretty fast
@@akse 30 KWh in 54 minutes means an average charging capacity of just 33 kw. This means that the new Ioniq is not yet compatible with the new 150 kW chargers.
In most European countries a 3 phase power connection is standard at home. This would result in a charging capacity of 11 or 22 kw. A charging power of only 7 kw means that the Ioniq charger is not even compatible with European power connections.
All in all, this is completely out of the question.
@@akse But you can do all those things with the old Ioniq EV with only 125 miles range.
Jetzt plustern Sie sich doch bitte mal nicht so auf. Ihre Bedürfnisse sind nicht zwingend identisch mit den Bedürfnissen aller anderen. Außerdem ist es sehr wahrscheinlich, dass Hyundai marktspezifische Anpassungen an der Ladetechnik im Fahrzeug selbst vornehmen wird.
Weight increased by 35kgs, as per press spec. release of Hyundai. So probably the power increase is to compensate the increase in weight. I expect it to accelerate even more sluggish than the current generation, as the torque to weight ratio is less good now.
I like the new front and especially the app support... same pork 😅
Hyundai has lowered the battery voltage from 360V to 319V. Therefore it charges slower at 50kW chagers than the old one. And still no 3 phase charger - max. AC chaging speed at home is 3,7kW.
Well 7kW for 240V, no?
In most of Germany one-phase charging is limited to 20A=4.6kW
@@cms1104 20A? A normal wall socket can supply 16A (this is when the fuse blows and they are actually rated for less than 16A). With proper cabeling you get "real" 16A/230V sockets (the blue ones). Or you could get 16A or 32A @ 400V.
Since DC Charging on 50kW an 100kW to 80% is nearly the same, the charging speed has actually decrease. Biggest flaw of car I think!
07:51 "I like that. I like that open space in there where you can put your 💩"
Wow - very good sound quality!
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Old Vs new ioniq race one day?
That would be VERY interesting!
With that slow charging speed, the old Ioniq will easily win Oslo-Trondheim-Oslo.
Bjorn, this is a great idea. If it's not possible, it would still be great if you could do a 1.000 km challenge with the new Ioniq. Great job
Ioniq28 is such a good balance of weight/price/range/charging speed. Hope they don't mess it up with more weight and slower charging. It needs real 100kW charging to maintain the 2.5C charging rate...
Supposedly, there is lower voltage on the battery 319.4V vs 360 V on the old version. That could be why the new Ioniq might be less efficient at charging which would be a shame. If this is true, do you think it's because it now has a larger battery and is still only air cooled?
The slower charging is the bigest question hanging over the new Ioniq for me, second question is the battery life difference (slower charging > ? because of diferent chemistry ? = lower cycle life ?).
We need 1000 km race between new and old Ioniq Bjorn ! If new one lose, than it is big step back for Hyundai !
Seems to have higher tyre profile too than previous version on 16" wheels. Now 60 instead of 55...
Compensation for higher weight?
I saw some other youtubers reviews of the car and i am glad to hear from the master ionic Bjorn. I knew he would find out about it.
I get 180km with zoe, on highway in winter. 280 in summer.
View camera button uses the infotainment screen as a rear view camera and as a mirror when driving forward
My -17 Ioniq consume an average of 10,5 kwh/100 km last 2-3 weeks. The upcoming Ioniq should be capable of 340-350 km in the spring/summer/autum.
I agree
At city speeds I guess? On the highway it'll more likely use 14-18 Kwh depending on the speed.
@@KsiNixNie
No, actually not. I guess 70-75 % 80-90 km/h and the rest 25-30 % 30-40-50 km/h. Auto sailing/0 regen + regen only down hill to keep the speed limit + before full/allmoast full stop saves a lot of energy, + 'an egg' between my foot and the pedal make it possible. Dam boring driving style anyway... Climate turned off.
Looking forward to see your test of ioniq but also of the new e-soul!!! On the current facelifts of ioniq and niro both brands are improving the quality perception in order to let consumer feel that ioniq/niro are more premium than kona/e-soul. Talking to a kia person here in Sweden I was told that e-niro will receive a small update next year (app support and refreshed instrument panel) but it will be more expensive (at least in Sweden). Today e-niros and e-souls cost about the same price here
I'm going to buy the 'outdated' Ioniq in the next days, because 1.) I don't need more range except for vacation and 2.) it DC charges nearly twice as fast (good on vacation) and 3.) I like the interior and 4.) it has a lower price and 5.) I can charge at home and 6.) I can use an app to read the SOC and 7.) the car heating is excellent (no need for pre heating).
Apparently Hyundai screwed up the press release and quoted Kona EV 64KWh DC charging numbers for the Ioniq. Apparently the real numbers are 80% in 23 mins on a 100KW rated station and 80% in 33mins on a 50KW rated station.
Let's hope what you say is correct, otherwise the car would be total garbage.
That's more than a slight gaffe there. If those numbers are true it's going to sell like hotcakes.
It seems that Hyundai uses in this facelifted Ioniq motor, onboard charger and battery cells (LG Chem ca 65 Ah) from Kona with 39.2 kWh battery. If you look at this Kona 39.2 kWh battery option charging times, they are the same as announced for the Ioniq DCFC 100kW: 54 min and DCFC 50kW: 57 min, both from 0-80%. So i think that it is correct.
Do you have any sources on this claim?
@@OleVanDole Domenick is a writer at InsideEV's here is his tweet Check out @Domenick_Y’s Tweet: twitter.com/Domenick_Y/status/1124328631382237184?s=09
Hyundai should have put two old batteries in with two sets of chargers and charge ports built in under the hood (bonnet). Twice the range twice the charge speed etc... One charger option. 6.6 to 7.2 AC x two is 13.2 to 14.4 AC and 45 to 77 DC is 90 to 154 DC... :).
Nice video Bjorn
I hope that the app support will come for my Old Ioniq too :O
The difference in chargingtime to 80% between 100kW and 50 kW chargers is only 3 minutes. With the old one it was 7 minutes. That's an interesting point. Seems like the new Ioniq is a slow charging car compared with the old Ioniq. The only way to find the truth is a race Oslo-Trondheim-Oslo.
It is, just look at the charge time between old and new. The new one will charge to 80% with only 33kW on average or despite a battery that is only a third bigger it will take almost twice as long to charge to that point from empty.
@@Hans-gb4mv Apparently Hyundai messed up the press release and published Kona EV 64KWh charging times. The real numbers are 80% in 23mins on 100KW station and 80% in 33mins on 50KW station.
@@erikstephens34 Source?
@@mycomment1862 Domenick is a writer at InsideEV's here is his tweet. Check out @Domenick_Y’s Tweet: twitter.com/Domenick_Y/status/1124328631382237184?s=09
My guess is that Hyundai are not going to be able to supply enough batteries to get these out in numbers. Here in Spain the Ioniq hybrid is probably the most common car on the road but I have never seen an all-electric version - not even one.
Wait why only 38.3 kWh? Can't they fit the 64kWh battery pack from the Kona and the Niro in there?
I think it should be around 32.000€ since the 39kWh version of the Kona is available for that price here in Germany.
@Oshe Shango Yeah I know, but they could handle it like the Kona and the Niro, where you can choose wether you want the cheaper 39kWh pack or the longer range 64kWh pack.
The 64 kWh battery pack won't fit in the IONIQ.
Kona/Niro use a skateboard. The ioniq has the battery under the rear seats and trunk. Different design and less space.
And I doubt theyll start at that price. The old one already started at a higher price. Add a couple of thousand for the bigger battery and I think a starting price of 35 or 36k.
The Ioniq and Niro are on the same platform. But I wonder if it's a ground clearance issue? Note the Kona EV and 2020 Soul EV are on a separate shared platform.
don't forget. it is a rebuilt fossil.
I think 300k (which is roughly the same €30,000 and £30,000?) is going to look expensive if the VW ID3 comes in at the prices they have suggested - about £5000 less than that and get close to 400km/250 mile range.
VW is a joke, they are still not focusing on ev, they w an 5 to sell their diesel crap
Reportedly, later this year.
We've yet to see if it gets to the showrooms in any volume before Hyundai!
I don't think anyone has NDEC figures for the VW ID3 do they?
VW themselves have been pretty keen to promote WLTP figures for their vehicles since 'dieselgate' anyway.
www.volkswagen-newsroom.com/en/stories/from-nedc-to-wltp-2233
Maybe VW included the state rebate of £5k in the estimate to make it seem more attractive 🤔
Have you tested the 39kWh Kona? Seems to have very close specs to that one. Also the charching figues are almost the same. Im hoping for a miracle but i think the new Ioniq is going to be a bad road tripper because of the slow charging speed.
YOu mention you can’t get an EV with that range in this price range but the biggest problem for us is that the current Ionic, with less range, in Australia is $60,000. Which puts it close to what the Telstra Model 3 will be at an anticipated $65,000. So down here there’s no way it’s competitive in price for range.
Model 3 has been waaayyyyy more expensive than anticipated price in EVERY country. So these cars will never be in the same price bracket.
The camera button, may be a backup camera? Kona has a backup camera.
what about plug in hybrid some change ?
The first Ioniq is the best, wow, it charge so fast to 94% so 200+ km is enough
I'm looking forward for the real test, but i think it charges too slow for a reasonable travelling speed at long distances. +10 kWh more capacity would be enough, if it has the same charging speed than the predecessor.
Hi Bjørn can you talk about ev insurance compared to a patrol car insurance?
I ask because I've recently read a tweet addressed to Elon about the sky high insurance prices in the UK plus many insurance companies deny insurances for tesla cars. 20 000£ per year for insurance is way to match iven for a tesla.
Like it doesnt sound bad, but I would just get (actually I've placed order) for Model 3 standard plus, 25% higher range, much faster (so fun), autopilot and has access to supercharger network, it's bit more expensive, but not as much.
As of 5/15/19 the Tesla model 3 BASE price starts at $39,000 (Actual price, not after the tax write-off next year).
That's 240 miles range, and very good performance for a Black exterior, Black interior, Black wheels and NOTHING else.
The "Long Range" option adds a cool $10,000 for a BASE price of $49,900. For that you get 310 miles range, faster acceleration and two motors. You now have the choice of getting the car in Black/Black and Black.
Want a white car - add $1,500.
Want non-black wheels - add $1,500
Want an ALMOST white interior - really just white seats with everything else pretty much black - add another $1,000.
Want an all-digital, multi-function, dedicated driver's display with multiple options? Nope, you can't have that with the Model 3.
Let's see, we're now up to $53,900 for our "$35K" Model 3.
Give them another $6,000 NOW to have the option for full self-driving "later this year," OR, don't and pay them $8,000 to add the capability later - even though it's clearly nothing more than a software unlock.
So, you're right, the Model 3 is only a little more expensive than the Hyundai Ioniq electric - about $30,000 "Little" more expensive.
Yeah, I can see that....I can SEE how EVERYBODY who's looking to get into an electric for around $30K can just bust out for $60,000 for the CHEAPEST model Tesla instead. This also gets you a fairly decent BATTERY warranty of 8 years / 120,000 miles whichever comes first with guaranteed 70% battery capacity retention. The base CAR warranty is 4 years, / 50,000 miles. Not as good as Hyundai, but not as bad as some others. Hyundai's BATTERY warranty is LIFETIME for the same conditions. Hyundai's base is 5/60 BtB and 10/100 powertrain.
Oh, and the Ioniq comes in colors other than black with interior colors other than black as part of it's normal pricing.
I bought my Kona electric Limited for just over $42,000 - about $17K LESS than the Tesla. It's WHITE exterior with off-white leather interior - very open and spacious rather than the sensation of sitting in a cave. It also has real instruments, real environmental controls, without the need to keep looking over at a screen to see which touchscreen button to push. I don't think a lot of people have seriously thought about driving around with all visual information being presented on a center screen and the need to keep LOOKING at it to perform any task, as opposed to buttons, knobs and switches that can be "learned" and manipulated without taking your eyes off the road. Might want to consider just how much all THAT would add if Tesla had to incorporate conventional controls (safer)...probably at another $20K.
Why the ioniq has a lower range then the kona with the same batery size?
@@bluebikerathar the kona have two size 38 and 64
Hyundai has corrected the Kona EV base range to a WLTP of 289kms. Slightly less than the Ioniq. thedriven.io/2018/12/05/hyundai-revises-down-official-driving-range-for-kona-electric/
In the beginning I tought that earphones disconnected.
I have a 2017 ioniq and I had it up to 177 km/k and it still had juice to go more!
Bjorn could you make the comparison to the current BMW i3 120Ah which has similar battery capacity usability around 38kwh? Pricing maybe not so because I believe i3 is way more expensive in Norway. Cheers
LR RWD will have 600km WLTP. "available in summer 2019"
I consider this a missed Hyundai opportunity to fit (if possible for the chassi) the 64kwh battery. Segment wise it would be a better match for it's main competitor, the Nissan Leaf. This way the Leaf E-Plus has no direct competitor for range in the C segment in Europe.
I think this car will be aimed at the lower end of the EV market. This car make sense if that is the case. Not everyone can afford £35k + on a car.
@@hazzerhazzer2741 sorry, I was not clear. I meant it should have been fitted with the 64kwh battery, as one more battery size option. This way it would be a better competitor for the C segment in Europe, specially against the Leaf. This way the higher range/battery Leaf E-Plus has no real competitors, and we, the buyers, have less options.
I've subscribed your channel. Those tests are very useful! I wonder if I attach a brenthon badge on the front sensor for the current version of ioniq will affect the function of the anti collision system. Can you test this? Thanks.
Great video!!.....
54 min to get to 80% is a major draw back. They manage to screw up what could be a good car... :(
My only issue with the new Ioniq is charge speed, even if it has battery is bigger if first version is faster on a longer trip will people still want it?
Can't wait for your test, will you do a race with 40 kw/h Leaf ?
Pretty sure that the charging time is a mistake. I cant see how or why the new version would take such a step backwards.
"referral link: /dev/null" LMAO
The sound quality was so good in this video that I asked my wife what she was doing about 3x before realizing it was "wifey". 😂
Great car..With improved range lets hope it gets lots of take up.
I am so glad I didn't jump the gun on the 2018 Nissan Leaf.
Kia Bjørn intensifies
Ioniq-Bjørn 🚗
iconic -Bjørn
Which EV's, besides Telsa, have liquid cooling? Kona, etron, new Leaf? Btw.: Damn, all that buttons.
I put a Deposit down on the New MG e-ZS today. It will arrive in the UK in Sept 19. It will be the Cheapest SUV style EV when Launched
How did you put a deposit down? The MG website still looks like on detail :O
@@Aaronage1 Its with a Dealer so we are top of the list when they eventually get released. If you are Uk based, Speak with the Chorley Group, Ask for Patrick and say you saw my comment.
buck-eejit ah cool, thanks for the info
Looks like an impressive car. However Hyundai really need to sort out their supply. Waiting any more than 3 months is just not on.
It seems Björn tries to establish the physics term PORQUE. xD xD xD
You mean Torque and not Pork right? :)
Why in the h... is it so cheap with electric cars in Norway. In Sweden, the old Ioniq cost 40000$.
Love the Linux joke at the end
3:02 Pork!! That was funny...
Ioniq électrique ! J’achète à condition que la batterie soit au minimum 75 KWH avec 600 Kms d’autonomie
At least they have 16" wheels... Already makes it +1000€ more expensive to own during 5 years..
1000€ more expensive to own compared to what?
Sheeeeeittt - cool shirt!
Imo EPA has the best real world range estimates, just imo
+CSTwister I thought it was TBTP.
28 kWh: 204 km WLTP (137 Wh/km)
38.3 kWh: 294 km WLTP (130 Wh/km)
280 was indeed NEDC
Whats the NEDC for the new one?
@@Baisemannen I don't think they are using it anymore, but I guess around 400 km...
@@dimontecor That's really good seeing as its probably possible to achieve it on a good day.
Please do a test on e-hairdryers. Use decibel metre.
I fear it lacks active cooling. I have a bad feeling about this. Waiting for the TBTP.
Current Ioniq has active cooling, no reason to assume the updated version won't have it.
You're probably refering to liquid cooling, which the Ioniq doesn't have.
Hyundai says DC charging takes 54 minutes to 80%, those numbers are so slow, i assume they don't need active cooling for that. Just like leaf and e-Golf.
@@kasmopaya2676 The problem is the low voltage of the battery pack (319V), which negatively impacts the charging speed. Hyundai and Kia always implement active cooling in their cars, and there's no reason to not do it with the refreshed Ioniq.
It will be a good EV.
You could check the specs here: evdb.io/Hyundai/Hyundai_IONIQ_Electric/2019
Lol just turn around and go up the hill backwards lol!
Race: old Ionic vs. New Ionic - i think old will win. They kill the Ionic with this Upgrade.
Shiet! Cannot understand the. Bigger battery, next generation car, battery and charger und slower than before? What the heck... Consumption increased from very good 11.5kWh to more than 13kWh? Hmm. I expected more than 300Km WLTP ut OK. I expected a bit more for the facelift. Maybe quite OK compared to other EVs on that price level now. But this car is new (no delivery date in europe). Sorry, not this way. So going for Model 3 SR+.
120 km/h = hammering? I'm laughing. In Germany nothing under 200 km/h is hammering
Great Video :)
+May be ...until you reach *another* road construction. Welcome to Germany ;)
Ha ha ha. How true :D
.. you're right😁 but without construction working our autobahns couldn't be that great
There is no roads where u can go faster than 120 in sweden. It's not needed.
300 Nm is equivalent to a 3.0L NA gasoline engine. Way enough.
BTW Hyundai sounds like this: translate.google.no/?hl=no&tab=wT#view=home&op=translate&sl=auto&tl=en&text=%ED%98%84%EB%8C%80
The T-Shirt: serious?
+Michael K. What about it?
It’s a Good T-shirt... panda’s r so cute... why do you need Levis or Gucci there 🤨
Never can't beat Model 3.
TfGamess Teslas are great, but they aren’t particularly efficient nor are they cheap. This is exciting.
Moto Z Play Sure it is. They’re marketing the Model 3 as an affordable EV for the masses. As batteries start getting bigger in cars made by major manufacturers they’ll factor into EV buyers’ decisions
@@jonathanfields4ever The Ioniq is several thousand dollars less expensive than the cheapest Model 3 at MSRP.
Erik Stephens Yes. That’s why it can be cross-shopped with a Model 3. I’d certainly look at the two. Unfortunately, I live somewhere where neither is available :/
You are so wrong about Tesla's efficiency. They have the most efficient EVs in many categories:
ruclips.net/video/150Z4l69CBo/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/blqZ_rZ7WFI/видео.html
My Ioniq 2018 has liquid cooling, I suppose all have already.
For the battery? 2016 and 2017 have air cooling (with a fan) for sure. Liquid for motor/inverter.
/dev/null hahahahahaha
Good pork amount. (nom)
Referral link “/dev/null” funny nerd’s joke 😜
With 7KW charging though, when The model 3 can do 200KW charging. Even a home charger can do 30KW for Tesla. Also no car is closer to driving itself. The Tesla is the best investment.
that is the build in AC charger only and not the capacity for DC fast charging.
Err not sure where to start on this. You are mixing up AC and DC charging. Also you seem to be mixing up Amps and kW..
You always pronounce WLTP like VLTP.
It's Double U. 😉
+SCWfan06 I'm lazy.
+SCWfan06 Norwegians pronounce BMW like "BMV".
I guess in Norwegian language it's similar to German, the W in german is indeed pronounced as V (veeeery similar at least)
It is infact called Double V(as it looks) and not Double U in Norwegian. W is not really in use in the language and has no seperate pronounciation from V. So saying W as V in english is one of the most common "mistakes" norvegians do in english.
Exactly. And I'm half German, half Norwegian, half Thai and half Chinese.
Have you seen the new Mercedes? ruclips.net/video/52CiFPBASaM/видео.html
Better looking prius😑
Meh ;)
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Are you kidding? This things specs are worse than the outgoing (40kwh) Leaf. No HP, little torque, crap range. Its better than the current Fiat, Smart for 2. That's it that's all.
Compared to the leaf 40, the ioniq will be quite similarly specced, except the ioniq is a more efficient car with higher net battery capacity = longer range. Also it does not rapidgate super hard like the Leaf. Oh, and I bet it will be dirt cheap compared to the leaf also. 😉
@@st3ff3n87 you are comparing it to the 40kwh battery Leaf when the 62kwh battery Leaf is already available. A 50% better battery right now (I have tested one) vs waiting for an ioniq that will be unicorn rare.
@@ericjohnson3967 Of course I am comparing 40 vs 40. Leaf 40 has estimated range of 150 miles, while the new ioniq has (estimated) about 180 miles.
The Leaf 62 offers 40% more range (226 miles estimated) than the leaf 40, which is good if you need a little extra range - but will it still rapidgate? Unless they've switched to a different battery pack supplier, I'm guessing it will still be an issue. Is it better to buy the leaf 62 than the new ioniq? That depends on the user's daily driving habit, I guess.
@@st3ff3n87 something I could buy of lease last month (64kwh version) vs 50% less battery that will be available????????? And if their other cars are the norm. The ioniq will be in limited supply. With as much as a 10k markup (like the Kona here in California). To that I say hell no.
This car is aimed at the European and Korean market. Many drivers of cheaper vehicles have only between 75 and 110HP to play with, so 135HP is plenty for the target market. I've been driving a 1.4 diesel with 78HP for the past 8 years in all sorts of scenario and never lacked power. 0-100 km/h in 15.6 seconds. For whatever in North America people still think they need 200+HP in their cars. No wonder they are so fuel inefficient..
Best EV? Don't know, but perhaps the ugliest?