Avatar: The Two Sides of Femininity
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- Katara and Azula are two sides of the same coin and they reveal the two different sides of the powerful princess.
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Sokka calls himself a "Southern Peasant," but the chief in the Northern Water Tribe, upon finding out Sokka exists starts basically trying to work out how to arrange for his Further Son in Law to go on a suicide mission and puts Sokka to guarding his Daughter... So the Northern Chief acknowledges the fact that Sokka's a prince, even if Sokka doesn't... Then there's the fact that Sokka and Katara are literate in all 4 scripts and Sokka is knowledgeable of geography, astronomy, physics, and meteorology... Guy's got a royal education and doesn't even realize it.
Wouldn't say that means the chief acknowledges him as a prince, it arguably is the opposite. Also we don't know sokkas knowledge was taught, and how much was learned.
@@fightingmedialounge519 "You could argue that it means the opposite," but it would be a longer and weaker argument and it's one you haven't actually constructed. Whereas the assertion I made is self evident to most people who are familiar with the customs held in common by aristocratic warrior cultures. But more relevant is the boy's education, or the fact he clearly has one. Sure you could dismiss it as he takes to new things quickly because he's just a smart kid, but it's more than that. He doesn't just take to things quickly, he adapts new knowledge like someone who already has the intellectual foundations to process said knowledge to begin with, and his sister does the same thing. And it's not unknown who taught Sokka and Katara. They were being tutored one of the learned men of the tribe, before they went to war with everyone else, and their Gran Gran, took over that task after that. And while it could be argued that maybe the Southern Water Tribe simply tried to educate all it's children to the best of their abilities, which it most likely did, you have to look then at what specifically Sokka and Katara were taught, and realize that while these would be things, the more egalitarian Southern Water Tribe would teach to all who kids who sought, these were things being chosen to be taught to Sokka and Katara without their input on the matter. And these things, included; Manners and decorum of all 4 of the nation's, the scripts of all 4 nations, Geopolitics, Military tactics, some level of math, basic physics, and some amount of history. And this foundation is something you cannot account for them having learned on their journey, so they clearly had this knowledge in in background. Sure they basically have an 8th grade level education, but it was an education in a lot of things that do not pertain to their day to day survival in the post apocalyptic Antarctic hellscape that is their homeland, but does match up very closely to what an 8th grade equivalent education would be to a European aristocrat in the 1800's. And again, with the egalitarian structure of the Southern Water Tribe, each of these subjects, were individually fully accessible to any individual who sought that learning... back when their education system was intact. But those subjects together, without self direction, in a world that's torn to pieces. Someone was prioritizing that these two children be taught this array of subjects, which happen to be the subjects being taught to royalty. So even though an aristocratic lifestyle was completely out of their reach(before their victory at least) someone saw to it that these two had a royal education. (And while you might try to argue that the two had plenty of opportunities to hit hit books in various stops along the way, and they are indeed shown doing that from time to time, that in and of itself is a skill that has to be learned, and is not learned quickly.. Sokka and Katara are both quick studies, and no one is a quick study in learning how to be a quick study)
@@MogofWar not really. It's actually pretty short and is one the show practically makes itself. I didn’t spell it out because I was simply offering a differing rather than trying to be argumentative, but I guess it's hard to avoid arguments when people are in love with their own interpretations. Making alot of assumptions about other people's view just based on their knowledge of certain cultures. Never said he didn't have one, so maybe ease off the throttle, just that we don't know how much of what he knows series comes from said education or comes from his inherent interest in knowledge.
@@fightingmedialounge519your making a distinction without a difference. He still sends his future son in law on a suicide mission, which was successful in that the guy actually dies. It is implied he was taugh by his father, by all intents and purposes, the War Chief of General of the Sothern Tribe, and most likely this would've included basic war tactics, sailing, and navigation. It does seem that the Northen Water guy thinks highly of Sokka, highly of his intelligence wherever it came from, and that the Princess sees Sokka as an equal not as a peasant. That line itself is immediately refuted by the princess right after when she kisses Sokka anyway.
@@deathdog1392 technically speaking I would be doing the opposite. We knew it was a suicide mission, but the show never suggest the chief saw it that way. Do you mean taught, or tough? The show never implies who taught sokka anything. We just make assumptions based on real world history.We don't actually get to see much of what the northern tribesmen think of sokka; just the singular chief. Eh, royalty seeing a pesant as equal happens all the time fiction. Just look at Aladdin.
Funny how something “made for kids” has more to say about gender and society than most, if not all, modern series.
I mean, thats why people love the show to this day. It deals with many difficult topics like trauma, feminity/masculinity, imperialism and even things like genocide. It was always bit more than a kids show.
@Dann Rajeeh LMAO CW…bro listen CWs formula is this : make a good series for the first 1-2 seasons and have season 3 have shades of a dumpster fire then season 4 is a mask off moment.
@Kristopher Prime nah that’s just the speed run version. They tried speed running a trainwreck with powerpuff girls too, lol.
Made for kids =\= made exclusively for kids
It wasn't pushing an agenda for change, it was representative of the real world. Which influences more soundly.
Zuko won by sacrificing himself to save Katara, thus relying on her. He could have beaten Azula but chose to save Katara, allowing her to later save him.
@Vancha March You’re making a massive monolith of masculinity
@@Cbawls Yeah Dude no, that is what the archetype is. Men give themselves up for the betterment of society, that's a common role. They save who they love or care for for their own. Imagine no understanding that.
@Vancha March I'd say it predates Christ too.
@Vancha March I’d hardly say the Bible shows any respect at all for women, during that time period they were treated as nothing more than glorified pets, sold into unwanted marriages like a farm mule. I’d say avatars depiction on how valuable femininity is, relates much more to 21st century values, religion not so much.
@@silvereyes242 bullshit. Who asked woman if she want marry this men? Church ask. Before this - nobody give a fuck. How this is not improvment? Who abolished "the first night right"? Сhurch did this. How this is not improvment?
Imagine if we would accept the differences between men and women while still treating both as equally worth
no we must have women working full time their whole lives so they can finally be old, alone and happy
Yeah, like that’s ever gonna happen…
- Shrek 2001
That's a brilliant comment. The world would be a better place. Sadly, it will never happen... how the way this world is going.
@@elodin857 This is honestly kinda bad for humans in general. I feel sad for the men and women who grow old don’t get to experience intimacy, compassion and companionship from a potential partner.
But its offensive, stop with your common sense, comon sense is patriarchy!
To women’s ability to read people, my dad hosted a men’s conference on being a husband and father a few years ago. One thing he said that has stuck with me was, “For you newly weds, I will tell you there is something to female intuition. I don’t know what it is, but you should listen to it.”
Then he told a story of when he’d been married for a just a couple of years and they met a guy at their church. They had an average length conversation with him and he seemed like a nice enough guy. Once he walked away my mom turned to my dad.
“I don’t like that man.”
“What? Why?”
“I don’t know. Something just feels off about him. I don’t like him.”
So they kind of avoided him. Two years later, he was kicked out of the church because it came out that he was having affairs with three women in the church.
From then on, my dad has always listened to my mom’s instincts.
But it's not a woman's ability since I've seen men do this, infact my teacher told me that when she met her husband, she was getting married and he was like "oh you're getting married? That's great!" But then he went up to her, put his hands on her shoulders and said "nah, I'm just kidding don't marry him, he's a dirt bag" a few month later her fiance cheated, and from then on she listened to him when he read people. I also can read people based off of observing people alone, their mannerisms, their emotions, it's pretty easy to tell, so it's not really a "female" trait, it's also not something women are better at but rather that it's predictable if a woman does it, when a man does it, it's very unexpected.
@@sindelscat9336 The difference is he literally KNEW him and spend time with him
@@temarithebadass9276 yes, not everyone can read people, my point was that the trait isn't inherently female.
@@temarithebadass9276 "The difference is he literally KNEW him and spend time with him"
This shows HE does not have that ability. Not that women are inherently better at this.
I'm very good at judging character. Better than most women I know. I know how to pick up on subtle cues. Even if I am not consciously aware of it at the time. It's just simply using empathy and recognizing facial expressions.
@@minutemansam1214 it's not just empathy, it's also recognizing certain behaviors.
What kills me about Azula is that people see Zuko so clearly, his dad treats him bad and zuko wants his love. Ozai is a monster and master manipulator, IMAGINE just for a moment how hard it would be to see him as evil when he spoils you with praise, it’s like we can easily see how zuko is the way he is but it’s impossible for Azula. It took me a long time but I now truly see she is an absolutely tragic character 😭😭
That's a really good point.
Yup she was raised to be this way.
Bro, Katara became the sister Zuko always wanted….holy shit….
Should’ve been wife.
As a women, I could not agree more.
The adaptation of the “strong women” can literally just be a bully with no human emotions.
I aspire to become more feminine as I mature , and let go of this tomboy persona I held onto in childhood.
I have seen few videos on this femininity topic, so I am very happy to see an example in Avatar.
This show, continues to surprise me with the amount of detail blow the surface.
Best of luck out there, hope you grow into the true feminine side you wish for 👍🏾
so you're conforming to some ideal placed on you rather than just being yourself
@@-valkyrie-00 Our natural selves are just sinful selfish creatures. We are blessed to be able to act against our impulses. Our choices and actions make us who we are and this woman is going to be a great wife and mother someday and the world around her will be blessed for it.
@@-valkyrie-00 are you ok? men being feminine and women being masculine IS COMFORMING TO SOME IDEAL PLACED ON YOURSELF. It's not natural.
My tomboyishness is not a persona, it’s part of me.
A geek’s gotta geek.
9:30 I love this point about Azula. It gets even more glaring when you remember that she viewed Zukos soft-heartedness and Kataras friendship with him as a weakness because all her life, that is what her father told her it was; “being feared is strength while being tender is something to be exploited that she cannot afford to show”, as told to her by a man who’s done nothing but exploit and abuse everyone around him at the head of an empire that needs people like them at the helm to keep their system afloat.
To the point that this philosophy touched her own friendships until Mai and Ty Lee decided they’d rather go to prison together than spend more time being pushed around by her. Both of which chose camaraderie and compassion over their fear of her and that broke her. The only semblance of affection she could ever hope for now was her fathers approval, which came in the form of a pity position of making her Fire Lord. What even is that when he was going to be a Phoenix King? Nothing. It’s just a fancy meaningless title to keep her distracted and out of his way.
So when the fight was over and she lost to Katara, “the water tribe peasant”, and saw the victors immediate follow-up to her winning was to tend to Zuko who was injured? To show the tenderness and care she couldn’t give and never received? Ya girls spirit wasn’t just shattered, it was Thanos snapped lol. Crushed with the realization that none of the achievements she made were worth it in the end because she was doing it in the name of a narcissist who never really cared, an empire that was never meant to be, and a philosophy that rendered her alone to fend for herself against everyone she hurt.
Tragic AND earned, hard to pull off.
Your comment and this video is exactly why people praise Avatar the Last Airbender and mocks and ridiculous Legend of Korra.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr Legend of Korra handled a lot of good stuff though. But it was rushed (mostly from originally meant to be a miniseries before being forced into 4 seasons), but Korra's strengths were things Last Airbender didn't tackle as much. While the main cast was less well written, a lot of the bigger picture, and societal differences, and morals, were really good. Throughout the whole show, Korra, and you as the viewer, were given a set of rules / guidelines / schemas, a way you understand how the world works, and then it directly challenges those rules and what to make of them through the world around Korra and its villains. It wasn't the strongest execution, but it did go into a lot of more nuanced stuff that Aang's basic Hero's Journey wouldn't have been able to tackle.
While you did touch slightly on appearance and Azula’s breakdown, I think you missed something crucial. In one of Azula’s first scenes, she does an advanced fire combination. She executed it perfectly except for a hair being out of place. Appearance had so much to do with her perception of herself. She had to look perfect at all times as well as be a perfect warrior. Zuko had his scar which was an imperfection and constant reminder of his failings. It is also about the balance of being everything expected of a woman, but also everything expected of a man. It is very easy to say that “oh she was part of a militaristic society so it is expected she should be good at fighting too.” It’s kind of like how today women are expected to have a great career and the perfect family and balance both. She is so awkward in the flirting scene because she was never told to marry well because she will be the future fire lord. If the live action is actually good, it’d be interesting if they made small hints about her needing an heir to the throne. No one ever talks about Uncle Iroh’s wife. He had a son so he had to have been married. A very important plot point was that Iroh no longer had an heir so he couldn’t become fire lord. Zuko was all settled with Mai. Ty Lee was probably trained to become the perfect bride like her sisters. It’s all very interesting. You also can’t talk about Katara without mentioning her beauty. Even while she was a badass, she was pretty.
good arguments. thank you for sharing
30:48 not true, people didn't hate azula because she was a woman, they hated her because she was a manipulative murderer, zuko was on the wrong side and fought himself the entire time, azula was full blown given into her nature and never questioned her actions at all.
Zuko had his Mother, and uncle Iroh, who had learnt an all important lesson in the worst possible way any father can.
Exactly. But zuko did have his uncle
Not trying to deny that Azula is a bad person but is she really a murderer?
@@hassanalkhalaf1115 yes she has tried to kill countless. For example while in an agni kai with zuko she tried to kill katara with lighting bending.
@@callumtorrance9180 But who did she actually murder? Trying to kill people doesn't make someone a murderer, actually killing them is necessary.
i actually enjoy ATLA's representation of feminity, it isnt just Azula and Katara. Mai, Ty Lee, Suki and Toph are all good blends of normal girls all things considered. I've met a lot of girls that would be a lot like these characters, they all have desires, wants, dreams, and short comings. they're human and do their best in their situation. while yeah Mai and Ty Lee are 'villains', they're only that because of circumstances, especially since we see Mai's betrayal of Azula solely to protect Zuko, the guy she loves, and Ty Lee actually likes Mai as a friend and holds no hard feelings with the Kyoshi warriors when they were thrown into jail. it really goes to show just how different things could have been with the relationship dynamics changed a bit or the two fire nation girls outside the grasp of Azula.
Huh, I always just assumed that Azula's ability to read people was simply because she's a psychopath and they're good at that. Never put it together than women are just more emotionally intelligent than men and some (like her) use that for selfish purposes
She certainly is one, but it's also for that reason why many consider female psychopaths more dangerous and harder to spot or catch then male ones.
Well you’re definitely right that she’s a psychopath. It’s just that the gender addition gives it more nuance.
I mean, yeah. If you really think about it, math and physics only exists because some cave man realized if could figure way to make big rock go make food kill die better'er then other cave men, maybe pretty cave girl like me.
As one of your 5 female subscribers, I gotta say this analysis was so spot-on. I never realized some of the deeper comparisons between Katara and Azula, even after all these years. As for the discussion of what it means to be female or feminine, I also couldn't agree more. Maybe it's because we share similar world views from our shared Catholic faith, but it's so refreshing to hear someone talk about modern femininity in this way. And I appreciate you pulling examples from multiple faiths and cultures!
I hope you don't mind me attaching my thoughts to your comment, but the topic and your stance compell me.
You can call me a pagan or a mystic, my focus is on traditions that lead towards transcendence and the true self.
In my view, both the feminine and masculine are rooted in the divine, they complete eachother and are naturally polar opposites. This means however, that when they are unbalanced, they loose touch with each other and instead become locked in a desperate struggle for dominance, until they reduce and corrupt each other beyond recognition. That is the predicament we find in modernity, and for this reason I am grateful for shows like Avatar, or discussions like those in and under this video.
Growing up it was hard to form my masculinity into something strong, coherent and healthy, for lack of good examples. Understanding femininity was even harder for me, but I like to think I am on the right track. Perhaps you (or you too, if you read this) would like to share your own understanding of femininity, as shaped by your experience and faith?
There is no evidence for god and the catholic church is full of pedophiles
These are facts
@@Jam77229 Try reading some of Thomas Aquinas' proofs of God in his Summa Theologa. As for the pedophile comment, we are an institution that dates back centuries and in all that time there are obviously going to be more than a handful of bad apples. But it's important not to discard the prospect of the Catholic Church being true because of that. Obviously pedophilia is wrong and actions and measures are being taken. If you haven't even given Catholicism a chance or tried understanding our point of view I don't think your in any position to judge us. That's just my opinion, please don't spite me & have a lovely day :)
@@Jam77229 Yep! Unfortunately, humans will be humans, but thank _goodness_ there's such a thing as forgiveness and the ability to comprehend, learn from, and apologize for one's own actions in the past!
@@angelaraphael1025 "Try reading some of Thomas Aquinas' proofs of God in his Summa Theologa."
I mean, none of the things he lists are proofs of god. At all.
My coworker said that "Azula fumbles near the end due to her always relying on power. She doesn't understand love". She rules her friends through power, she tried to rule that guy on the beach party through power, she even tried to rule over her ghost mother through power. But when her mother tells her that she doesn't hate her, Azula breaks down and doesn't understand why.
It's because she's in denial.
I like to imagine humans having certain personality characteristics, and both genders have different intensities of the characteristics. But in the end, if you add up the value, it's the same for both men and women. It shows that men and women are different, but are equal in total value.
Also, I'm one of your 5 female viewers, so, hello!
This is what christianity preaches. Men and women are fundamentally different, have differents roles and duties, but equal methaphysical and civilizational value.
However, because the role of leader and builder belongs to men (thus why civilization is patriarchal), modern society shames these differences and attempt to erase them.
@@Rivershield
No one cares about Christianity.
@@Ninjaananas you mean western first worlders don't care. Christianity is one of the biggest religions in the world.
yea i always hated when ppl say girls mature faster than boys thats not true
@@oooh19
They hit puberty faster so maturity onsets earlier.
As a young woman, I definitely agree with everything you said in the video. One thing I've noticed is that mean boys can be brushed off as bullies and douchebags while mean girls are often the kind that get into your head. If someone punches you, it hurts, but it's easy to forgive. Because women have a greater propensity to be empathetic, they know how to twist your emotions and some do it without even realizing. Coincidentally, I think empathy is a quality that makes evil people more evil. If you have the ability to put yourself in someone else's place and feel their pain, and you do, yet you use this to best hurt them, you are far more powerful than the villain who hurts others out of pure selfishness. Yeah, so, it's been my personal experience that evil women are scarier than evil men. Take Jezebel, for instance. She was married to an evil king who was extremely powerful, but the prophet Elijah was terrified of her, not her husband. It's a proven fact that a woman can manipulate a man (even unconsciously) far better than a man can manipulate a woman.
@Phillius Lupin No YOU know nothing. if you bothered to look, Jezebel was the high priestess of Ba’al. This required thing like sacred prostitution (hence why Elijah called her a harlot) and other abominations. She orchestrated her religion’s political takeover by killing off Jewish leadership.
But the most egregious example of her being evil is thus:
There’s a man named Naboth. He owns a huge vineyard. Ahab goes to him and asked to purchase his vineyard. Naboth says no, citing it’s been in his family for generations. Ahab is upset at this. Jezebel then orchestrated his false accusation of blasphemy and murder in order for Ahab to get his lands. She does this with his signature.
I still don't understand how you think they know nothing
@《Philius Lupin》 what are you even talking about?
Thank you for the new insight.
@《Philius Lupin》 She isn't saying that "evil women are eviler than evil men" in itself (though can be interpreted as such too), but that they feel worse. Like she pointed out, between someone who knows what pain feels like and someone who doesn't, who do you think would be seen as the more cruel to make others go through said pain ? The one who suffered it. The one who knows, who experienced it.
And, empathy includes the ability of oneself to understand others and puts yourself in their shoes, to get an idea of what they could be feeling at the moment (or what they would feel were you to do such or such). And, in a way, this is even more hateable. (plus, maybe this is just me, but I always find manipulative vilains scarier, though sometime fascinating, because you cannot stop worrying about what they could do next)
Nice vid. Also, the psychotic feminine trope is rarely well written in current pop media.
Azula's "craziness" is never commodified (i.e. sexualized for fanservice for example) but showcased strictly to be a direct result of her overall mindset and mentality--- which, although formulated through others-- is solely her own cross to bear.
I agree I'm really sick of seeing the sexualizing of mental instability. I think of Harley Quinn as the most popular example. But recently, Netflix's Arcane does the crazy lady trope justice with Jinx. She's not just crazy but unhinged. And that instability can be a blessing in some cases but a huge curse in the majority of the cases. She's wicked intelligent, and lacks something that grounds her. And she doesn't have any stability being born in Zaun.
@@petite2276 what are you even talking about?
@@frankie3010do you lack reading comprehension skills?
I think it should also be emphasized how Katara's motherly nature is a result of trauma. She lost her mother at a young age, her father left for war. She was forced into this situation. Under normal circumstances, it would be incredibly unfair to expect a 14yo girl to take care of a group of teenagers. Katara accomplished a lot through her role as a mother figure for Gaang, but it was not without personal cost to her.
Yup many RUclipsrs, unlike this one, have mentioned this b4. Good catch. She is held to an impossible standard coz of her hyper mothering, unlike the others. So when she is being selfish there are more fans who receive her horribly coz they misunderstand her struggles and trauma. The fact that she shows compassion is great but her parentification is not something to praise her for.
Hi, I'm one of the five females watching this. :)
It's amazing that I never noticed the parallels between the two characters. (I only watched the show once but still)
Fire- water
selfish consumption- self sacrifice
destruction- healing
manipulation- compassion
Feminine strength driven into two extremes by the expectations of their respective cultures and their desire for power.
But, I would like to think that if their situations were switched Katara would have still took the compassionate route not only due to her decisions but her very nature.
As one of your five female subscribers, I'm starting to suspect there are more of us than you think.
Anyway, love your videos! Keep up the good work!
I wanten to say the same thing! I’ve counted more than 7 so far…
Hi there I'm one of your 5 female subscribers and I LOVED this! It was so wonderful to hear so many basic principles of healthy femininity and a fantastic description of toxic femininity. I particularly enjoyed the part where you described men and women being designed to compliment each other not compete. I say this all the time. I enjoy each one of your videos keep up the great work ❤️👍
I think it’s a little wrong to say Korra represents the “toxic” view that a woman needs to act like a man to get respect as a badass hero.
Especially when the ENTIRETY of Legend of Korra looks down on Korra’s brash behavior and says it’s not a good thing to have. You may like or dislike Korra, but saying she represents the modern day masculine hero is just kinda ignorant. Not to mention Asami, Su, Zhu Li and Kya still act feminine but can still stand up for themselves and be pretty badass.
If you actually pay attention when watching Korra, you will notice a stark contrast to her behavior in book 3 compared to the first two books, where she was knocked down a few pegs and told to think things through. She becomes more compassionate (helping a man off a bridge by just talking to him) and listening to Tenzin and only getting mad when met with infuriating characters like the Earth Queen and that one airbender guy who was being a jerk.
It should also be stated that not all women need to be “feminine” and I think that view is harmful in its own way. Some women don’t like makeup, being girly or wearing dresses. There’s nothing wrong with these things, but it is a little ignorant to say that ALL strong females in the current age act masculine (that’s mostly just mainstream hollywood) and need to be more feminine to be a good hero.
Other than that one little thing I really liked this video. I think giving Korra more of a chance would be nice though. Her entire arc actually made her one of my favorite characters of a show.
The fact that Korra is a girl shouldn’t matter because the creators didn’t set out to make a badass female hero. They just set out to make a badass hero and already had the idea in their head to make Korra the opposite of Aang who didn’t like fighting, whereas Korra loves fighting and hates meditating.
The funny thing is Aang and Korra are very much like Yin and Yang. Opposites completely, yet always striving to accomplish the same goal. That was what the creators were trying to set up, and Korra being a female wasn’t meant to be the main focus of her character, just like how Aang being a male didn’t really matter to his character.
I didn't really watched Korra, so I won't speak about that too much, but... I think that what he meant to say was maybe more related to the fact that there are people who don't see (in the audience) a problem with Korra's attitude, who is leaning more on the toxic masculinity side indeed.
Also, you don't need to wears make-up or dress to identify as a girl. (I don't know for sure what you would mean about "being girly", because people can have different definition of it)
Plus, he never said that all women have to be "feminine", since like he pointed out, before bringing up the definition, we live at an era with transpeople being more visible, same for non-binary and all of the other gender identities.
I feel as if how a character acts is not as important as what role they play. I think that a female character can play a more active role in a story, be able to protect themselves and others, and even lead while still acting "feminine".
I agree, we as a society like to link moral standing to personality traits. And that's simply not true. I think that creators and writers can create some pretty heroic characters who don't display some traditional heroic traits. It's not only a credit to their creativity, but it reminds us that heroism can come from anyone. I'd love to see a character like Ty Lee be heroic. I'm trying to work on a male protagonist who is cynical, challenges cultural wisdom like chivalry, and practices dark magic. I'd love to see someone make a female protagonist who challenges the societal expectation of women being conservative, while not going down the femme fatale route.
You're right, a lot of people think that you need to be feminine to be considered a good female character even though you don't actually need to. You've made a good analysis, I like that. People focus way too much on the fact that korra is a female character, just acknowledge her as a CHARACTER. This is why people dislike her so much, because their main focus isn't her flaws and actions, its the fact that she is a female character written in a way that doesn't fit a standard. There are a lot of feminine characters who are strong and I like that, but the issue is that every masculine female character are just written horribly. They're powerful with no reason and they seem to hate men. With korra, she is powerful for a reason. She found out that she was the avatar since a young age, so she was sheltered and trained for her whole life. She doesn't hate guys, or anyone. She is just a stubborn character, basically as you said you said, the opposite of aang. Aang is free like the wind and korra is as stubborn as a rock.
Couldn't have put it better! EXACTLY
Korra is okay. I wouldn't call her a bully. Just an over powered hothead.
A friend sent me this video. Excellent job! 2 years later this video essay still is gold.
On the topic of toxic femininity, Toph also displays aspects of that herself, acting like a bratty child with entitlement issues, while also displaying toxic masculine traits, like her tendency to cut people out when they get too close and her brash behaviour, and has to learn that being vulnerable and empathetic is not a weakness, and it's thanks to Katara and Iroh (the positive masculine and feminine) that she reaches this realisation. Buuuut, then her entire emotional journey in ATLA is killed in Korra, reverting her back to her original state.
Nah. Toph is hilarious and fun
Agreed. But honestly war and politics can change a person, and I don't think Toph was ever good at dealing with these things. The fact that she eventually apologized to her daughters is already better than most toxic people. Everyone is different, and we like to put labels on people (I do it too often). But in the end just remember everyone is human, and human is capable of change, for better or worse. And I'd like to believe that most people will want to change for the better, some people just takes longer than others.
I think another reason for Toph being like that (I mean cutting out other and not being willing tobe vulnerable especially) come from her being blind too. Her parents treated her like she was made of glass, she didn't want anyone else to treat her like that. It came off in the wrong way, because she is both young, was forced to hold a lot of things in for herself, by being unable to express in front of her family and about her being a brat... well, combo of single child, plus being blind, so having her parents doing everything to accomodate her as long as it would not put her in danger... she was most likely spoiled a lot by them, let's face it.
In her case, I think the journey she had with the team helped her to grow by both being able to finally be herself and by being able to interact with outsiders (because she was mainly restricted to a few selected individuals who like I said, would usually accomodate her)
Did LoK destroyed Toph's emotional journey? Because I can't see it. What I saw is that they emphasized more on her unresolved issues with her parents in LoK since we didn't get the response of Toph's letter to her parents in ATLA. And she even taught Korra how to be more empathic and open minded when they reflect on the goals of LoK villains.
@@jankyyard5610 The comics show her reconciling with her father. So LOK probably did derail her character.
One of your five female viewers here! I actually haven't seen ATLA, but you certainly gave a thorough enough essay where I believe I can fully affirm the points you were making! I love that more video essayists are beginning to explore femininity a little more, as it is being just as rejected as masculinity is, but there is so little material discussing it that so few people actually understand what femininity even is (let alone what toxic femininity is). I think because of the obfuscation of what femininity and true womanhood even mean (now more than ever), we are seeing the celebration of brash characters who represent toxic masculinity (like Korra) as being "strong female characters," thus only hurting women's perceptions of themselves and their place in our society. I love the dichotomy between the positive and negative aspects of femininity you explore in Katara and Azula, and I think its both beautiful and important for us to engage with these female archetypes present in stories, as you do so well!
You havent seen the last airbender? Id say its either near or at the pinnacle of storytelling.
@@spencervance8484 Haha, nope, I haven't! I've heard it's pretty great, though, and it's been heavily recommended by quite a few people to me, so it's on my list of shows to watch someday! I just haven't taken the time to get around to it yet
Your analysis on Korra is a bit wrong. The entire show is meant to deconstruct how Korra acts and is meant to show that empathizing and compassion is a better route than combat skills ever was.
Korra starts off brash but becomes more empathetic and is knocked down a few pegs as the show goes on. It never meant to portray Korra as a “strong female hero” because she’s a dump person who kicks butt. In fact there is another girl in the show (Asami) who is quite feminine and yet still kicks major ass. Asami is literally never seen without makeup for the entire show.
So before commenting on how you view Korra from the outside, maybe realize that Korra was made that way as a character to actually challenge the toxic masculinity archetype.
@@Gamelover254 , One Piece succeeds more on being a deconstruction of the Shonen/Shonen Jump series than Korra tries to be a deconstruction on Avatar the Last Airbender, and all of the “subverting” popular franchises like Star Wars began with shows like Legend of Whorra.
You know a 26 years old I cannot muster enough fucks to give about masculinity or femininity. I am just me. I like boxing I like skirts etc. Just live your life.
I don't see Azula's behavior as reflective of women modifying their behavior based on social norms. Iroh gives her a feminine gift, a doll, while Zuko gets a masculine dagger, and we see Azula burn the doll, and I always connected that to her contempt of Iroh, who didn't make much of an attempt to understand her as an individual (vs. a pretty princess). The divide between Zuko and Azula is, for me, a commentary on the effects of active mentorship and parental figures who make (or don't make) an effort to be empathetic towards their children. Azula is more like Ozai than anyone else because Ozai is the one who gives her positive reinforcement, albeit for the wrong reasons.
I couldn't agree with you more. When I saw her burn that doll I knew exactly how she felt. It really did come off as Iroh not putting much effort into getting to know his neice. 😂😂😂
I think she actively went against certain norms to fit into being Ozai's vision of his perfect child. To be a reflection of him so as to feed into his narcissism.
Hearing this grown man say "kill them all daddy" with a straight face earned my like 🤣
The actual saying is the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb.
So it's actually opposite of the common bastardization of the saying.
That’s actually a later reversal of the saying. The oldest versions are just “blood is thicker than water” meaning what everyone thinks it means.
This is a common misconception. The saying 'blood is thicker than water' dates back over 400 years, maybe longer. "the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb" only dates back to the 1990s, and comes from some New Age wicca shit.
1:05 wow calling Katara, "as the Sister Zuko never had" I honestly agree, I know Zutara is a very popular ship and a lot of fans think they have "romantic" feelings but the truth is I never really saw it and only saw them as friends but yeah like siblings I can see it.
though I imagine Zutara fans go mad at that statement, I don't care.
Hi! I'm one of your 5 female suscribers! I think you did a great analysis and I loved how you pointed out a lot of things about these two characters I haven't noticed before (despite being a huge fan of atla lol). And I'm glad to know that you're Catholic too! It's rare to see these kind of topics from this point of view nowadays so I found your channel very refreshing! Keep it up :)
You are becoming one of my favorite RUclips channels. Keep making great content like this and the videos on masculinity in LotR please! Great analysis
Ditto, I saw his video on Aragorn a few weeks back, went back to it and binged all his videos yesterday. It was like a breath of fresh air! Great content.
You’re honestly something else. Really impressive. Been thinking about how the divine aspect of the feminine has influenced some of the greatest people and things, thought about this not long ago and how that has almost gone out of the public space when talking about the feminine all that is focused on is the sexual by both men(arousal and attraction) and women(empowerment). I am writing a few female characters a mother and a young girl as part of my main cast and this video couldn’t have come at a better time. Really appreciate this, grounded my thoughts insanely.
If you don’t mind me asking how old are you??
your story sounds great, we need more like that. Thank you for your support. I'm 28 years old. not as young as I once was lol. Thank you very much for your support.
@@PilgrimsPass My pleasure. Also you have a badass voice. Expecting more from you and this Chanel.
I write too which means I love to read. Subscribed and hopefully you'll put a link here or video up relating to your story. I'll check it out. So far not on other social media just in case you mention Twitter or something.
@@barbarabaker1457 Haven’t released anything yet, it’s a webcomic and it’s pretty time consuming but am starting to get into my pace with being off work and all. I’ll remember to let you know when I’ve published it. I appreciate it.
@@adio8824 Cool
09:25 Also, this is also how Zuko technically beats Azula. She thinks that his soft heart is a weakness of his, but the outcome of the final Agni Kai proves the opposite. His soft heart is what compells him absorb the bolt of lightning meant for Katara. Had he not done that, Azula would likely not have been beaten, so his kindness is what ultimately sealed her loss in that fight.
Thanks for sharing the Dr. Soh lecture, more people need to see it. Great video on all fronts!
I think what's important to remember about Toph, is that she was essentially isolated from everyone and smothered. It's not that her education or upbringing was bad, it is that her every move was controlled thereby corrupting what would otherwise be good. Katara was raised to be a good woman and she shows it, but the difference is Katara was allowed to grow organically in her own way whereas Toph was artificially incubated. Toph was unable to explore any personal interests, and was viewed as helpless and weak to the extreme. To the point that Toph was viewed as a glorified doll.
When Toph rebelled, she intentionally went in the opposite direction of everything she had been taught because that to her was a prison. She outright states this in the episode where the gang tries to sneak into a party to see the Earth King. If her parents had done the opposite and forced her to exemplify masculine traits in the extreme, I think she would have become a girly girl in response. I believe that under Katara's rightly ordered motherly influence, Toph started to see that femininity is not a bad thing. If it weren't for stupid (not cannon in my opinion) Kora, I think Toph would have matured and tempered out into a balanced woman, unashamed of her femininity much like Katara her second mother. Also, I personally believe that she would not have had such a messy love life that resulted in a broken family with her living alone in a swamp. It's like writers are allergic to happy ending these days.
Toph isn't ashamed of her femininity. Infact in one episode she's eventually liking some of the girl stuff coz of Katara. But at the end of the day, you forget that she will always be the type to value certain things that gave her power to pursue her interests and freedom. I don't think her being a tomboy is a bad thing as you imply. She expresses herself however she feels most comfortable. Denying that is diminishing her as her own person.
Very wonderful insights into the qualities of femininity that are truly needed and admirable. It’s refreshing to hear that as men and women we are different and it’s those differences are beautiful and complimentary. We need each other to thrive. I want to foster unity. I loved this video ❤❤❤❤
I have been a fan of ATLA since i was a kid and never noticed how much Katara and Azula parallel each other
Great analysis
Hey pilgrim pass. So appreciative of your videos. Keep it up man. Obrigado!!
Your analysis videos are so introspective and interesting, I can’t stop thinking about those points.
Men and women both have so much capacity to do so much great and so much harm. It’s great to have a deep discussion that respects both men and women equally in that fact.
This was amazing, thank you for your efforts
My God, I'm so glad I've found your channel man. I've watched plenty of your videos, they were all great but this one made me cry. So many things that it involves were swirling in me and your essey concluded and finally liberate it. I know that it sounds like some crazy BS. but for me it's such a relieve. Thank you for your great work
I really appreciate you crafting this video. Quite beautiful.
I remember when they did a subtle reference during that scene at 36:47.😊
The arrogance of Korra is what contributes to her fall, I feel. Let's remember that Korra was also a proud warrior princess.
your funny man, and not mean spirited that warm humour is a treat these days
I never watched this series, I hardly watched any movies for quite some time now. Yet I went through all this video as if I've seen it all =))) the better thing is you're delivering the messege quite well and I get it. well done, keep up.
Love your content. Keep it up man and thanks for this videos, they're great.
Azula has more of a relationship with masculinity than femininity lol, her femininity is actively repressed because of her environment. I’m just gonna copy and paste an analysis post I wrote about this once on Reddit when it comes to this topic because eesh.
“I think the Sokka and Azula parallels are more fitting in terms of their personalities and their skills and how they think of themselves. They're the logical thinking ones, the ones who plan things, and are well considered the brains behind their respected groups. They're also the two characters who heavily repress themselves with their emotions and aren't open with their traumas to others (Sokka's self-repression, Azula's “I don’t have sob stories like all of you”). There's also their self-loathing and how both seem to blame themselves whenever something goes wrong in their lives like when Sokka was ready to die during The Boiling Rock episode if it meant redeeming himself for his failed invasion plan on DOBS, or how Azula took the realization that Ozai was incapable of loving her as her own fault instead of Ozai’s. It's also the way that they both tend to unintentionally hurt (“hurt” in Sokka's case) or push away those they care about in an attempt to protect them or themselves, such as Azula manipulating and forcing Mai and Ty Lee to stay by her side using fear rather than genuine affection and friendship, even if she does indeed care about them; such as Sokka pushing his emotions and vulnerability and the grief he shares with Katara so far back it creates relatively present strife between Katara and him.
The difference between them is obviously the fact that Sokka has the eldest sibling pressure while Azula has the younger sibling pressure. Sokka has to be perfect so that his sister doesn't have to and Azula has to be perfect because her older brother wasn't, the perfect second son if you will.
Compared that to Zuko and Katara? Well they're different from those two but they're very much alike actually, in fact, they're really the counter to Sokka and Azula's foil. They are both very emotion-driven out of their siblings. A lot of their core values, approachings to trauma and injustice, and their general worldview are fundamentally the same. Katara and Zuko are both more open about their traumas unlike Sokka and Azula ever would. It's why, when they become friends they become so intensely devoted to each other so quickly. It's because they share so many of the same qualities.
There's also a third parallel between Sokka, Azula, and Zuko and that's their relationship with masculinity and how both Sokka and Zuko are able to embrace a new idea of masculinity while Azula breaks because she isn't allowed too. All three of them are constantly chasing after this unattainable stoic man soldier idea of masculinity, and eventually, Zuko is able to embrace his traditionally feminine qualities as Sokka is able to forgive himself for not fitting the ideal of a man/warrior/protector and appreciate himself for his own qualities and what makes him different than other people, meanwhile Azula falls into the same old guilt complex she and Sokka have always shared. In denying herself the vulnerability of traditional femininity while still being pressured for her hair to look perfect and her make-up impeccable, the weight of being a failed man soldier as a 14-year-old girl ultimately collapses over her and breaks her”.
I think her suppression of emotional expression is her most obvious trait and is masculine, but that it's the only masculine trait that you listed (I'd add that she's also very competitive). Emotional suppression is very significant to her character and pops up on multiple different occasions, but it's only one trait. Her demeanor and approach to problem solving are feminine. She's sneaky, she's manipulative, she tends to look before she leaps, and she's perfectionistic. Those qualities definitely don't only belong to women and many men have them, but individuals that have all of them usually have a more passive, careful, wait-and-see approach to what life throws at them as opposed to a direct and forceful one (which is feminine).
Oh this is is amazing stuff, I'm eating it up NOM NOM NOM... never thought of this!
@@duhuh7370 exactly
That makes so much more sense than the ideological crap the youtuber keeps bringing up! I just love Atla! All the important characters have a bunch of parallels with each other in one way or the other.
Azula and Katara basically have the most basic parallels of being the princess or whatnot, and having to grow up sooner than not. But her mind and personality parallel much more with Sokka than whatever this youtuber yapped on about.
@@happilyevernever4289well, there’s more then one thing that influences events and people, it is both this and the ideology stuff and more stuff that shapes the cast of ATLA.
Great content as always, thank you from a fellow half Brazilian.
All five of them? I’m a female viewer and I LOVE your videos! These kinds of videos r exactly what women probably need these days.
Wow your avatar is really what has been missing for your channel. A recognizable face and cool as well
Great video man, despite analysing something "obvious" as you said, you manage to make a 40min really deep video, not everybody can do that!
LOVE this channel. So grounded...
YESSSS THIS VIDEO IS WHAT I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR!!
Excelent video. Well done, Pilgrim Pass
Well I might be different since i don't think things like being caring and nurturing or physically strong and being a great leader should be categorized into "masculine" and feminine traits" but yeah I do understand where you're coming from. Being nuturing and caring shouldn't be demonized when writing female characters and I don't think it should expected to have all women to act a certain way like you said.
Toxic femininity does exist but Azula didn't really use her femininity to oppress others or to her advantage, it was more about power and class
Still a good video tho
Thank you. You make good points.
Honestly hot women have always scared me all my life. Even Azula when I was a kid she scared me.
I have always struggled with why but this brilliant essay has explained it well.
Women who were classy above my league, they could dissect me study me way before I got engaged with them. Some were nice enough to reject me but most were brutal the way they toyed with me leading me to a cycle where I hated women and turned to porn to satisfy me
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It was a dark place but gratefully I found a church that welcomed me and led me to a strong fellowship with Jesus Christ. Though I still struggle but like apostle Paul I have found contentment and strength in my weakness. I hope many find Christ especially in this modern toxic world.
I feel like religion is a tool, and like All tool it’s neither good nor bad. That is my opinion anyways, goodluck to you, and if heven is real then come tell me about it when I’m in the void of nothingness.
Hey man, Azula is pretty scary no matter who you are
Great video- I think this is definitely not talked about enough and should be much more explored in writing.
24:42 Something i would definately add is that the Fire Nation is not just about "Drive and about power" but it's also about staying hungry and devouring. They represent the idea that if you put in the work, and put in the hours we can take whats ours
That was funny, to me it also represented the march of progress and technology, like damn they gave ships run with engines and made of steel! But I guess the advanced quickly because the power of bending fire is not the useful in dally life, you can’t build a house with fire bending. But you can with water or earth bending, and you don’t even need a house with air bending sense you can just go were every you want.
Your videos always slap my friend
I grew up with an abusive bipolar compulsive liar for a mother and sisters who inherited those same traits.
I need to hear things like this to remind myself of and reinforce the idea that positive femininity exist
thanks for using a mental illness as a direct insult
@@lilmisslizzyc you're trying to shame me for mentioning that I suffered child abuse?
What the hell is wrong with you?
@@lilmisslizzyc I guess I already know you're just anti-male
@@VictorianTimeTraveler 1) i didn’t even know you were a man and didn’t assume such, 2) you can’t use bipolar as an insult and defend it by saving you were abused. Having bipolar does not make anyone abusive and using it as a descriptor in between “abusive” and “compulsive liar” implies that you think bipolar is a character trait that causes someone to be abusive rather than a severe mental illness that a lot of abused and traumatized people have. Telling me that I shamed you for being abused is such a reach. Telling you that you shouldn’t use bipolar as an insult is standing up for what’s right.
@@lilmisslizzyc actually I just re-read what I wrote a year ago. I wasn't using bipolar as an insult.
So your little accusation was bulshit from the beginning.
You know what? When I wrote that comment I was in a very dark place and I have sense repaired my relationship with my mother.
You coming in and trying to drag that up with a complete stranger is not a good thing to do.
Don't message me again!
Honesty really great job on this video I’ve been thinking about Masc & Fem archetypes that are important to understand.
New to your content, but I absolutely love it. You have great insight into femininity!
I totally agree with your opinion. We woman dont have to be men. We are great how we are and Motherhood is an important trait our world needs
Idle if you are a mom but I am and motherhood is absolutely brutal. If your going to put motherhood on a pedestal at least be honest about the true nature and darker sides of motherhood not the romanticized rose colored perspective that people talk about.
@@valenciasaintilus9573hey props to you guys. I love my mother. But please don’t discredit fathers you know? I mean you didn’t do that but in general to anyone who sees my comment lol.
@@THECHEESELORD69 when asked who should I respect the most? The Prophet Muhammad PBUH replied “ your mother, again your mother, again your mother and then your father”. My religion Islam also says that heaven lies at the feet of your mother.
@@valenciasaintilus9573 you do you man I’m all for it!
Your points about Korra are fair, but I would like to say that her toxic masculine traits were part of her arc, and she ended up learning how to put those traits behind her and trying to solve problems without fighting. Her actions in the first three seasons are toxic, but in the fourth, at least in my opinion, she learns how to restrain herself, and even refuses fights multiple times unless her hand was fair. Again, I completely respect your opinion, just wanted to offer my perspective on the issue :)
Thank you for your comment. And I agree and admire your patience. For me, three seasons of Korra acting like that was a little too much. I would have preferred if she improved through humility after having lost her bending for a while in season 1. But I respect your appreciation of Korra and I agree that she's much better in season 4. Your perspective is always welcome.
@@PilgrimsPass everything in your video is threaded together so well it’s informational not boring with occasional side jokes. it’s like enjoying a good new meal
@@corruptedmight Thank you very much. I'll try to make better videos in the future.
To add to this point, it seems a lot of people forget Korras backstory before the show that perfectly explains why she has these flaws. She was brought up sheltered in a training compound, training all her life in bending with her role as the Avatar being told to her as of utmost importance, and being fed stories of the war straight from the mouths of the former generation who experienced it. The result: a bright young Avatar who’s an amazing warrior and eager to fulfill the role of a superhero…when the world needed a diplomat more than they needed a superhero, and has zero social tact lol. So she misconstrues a lot of scenarios in a big city where things are never as simple as they were back in the compound. She retreats to things she’s more familiar with(pro-bending) as opposed to learning more about her role as the avatar.
She’s an Avatar who never had her own Avatars journey to learn the elements.
One of the things about Legend of Korra that pisses me off is that the show had a perfect launch point for her as a protagonist and her team but decided to waste it on love squares that no one asked for. They never highlight how critical her upbringing was contrasted against the rest of her crew who grew up in the city which would have been a fascinating story in and of itself, and they never let her have that second chance at having an Avatars journey learning the elements from a more spiritual angle rather than purely physical. That’s not even saying anything about what they did to the lore that actually *detracts* from her agency as a character and as an Avatar more than it adds despite what the narrative tries to tell us lol. Suffice to say, I’m extremely tempted to make an “Korra didn’t need Raava(or Vaatu) and here’s why” essay to prove it but this ain’t the place lol.
@@JustAStranger2840 The problems with only having 13 episodes a season instead of the standard 22-26.
Thank you for making this video.
Subbed, awesome video! 🙂
Weird but by studing the tarot (I'm a visual arts student so analising simbols is kinda my job) I relaized that masculinity and femeninity are way more aspects individual to sex but related to gender expresion. They are like individual aspects whose we have more or less tendency on depeloping depending on social and personal traits. Is this job for balancing our tendencies what constitutes our personality, that's why gender expression is supposed to be (and is culturally) molded. I like this portrait of the ligth and shadows within femeninity incarneted by this amazing characters. Great video!!!
I actually planned on making something similar to this some time ago. About how the show accidentally or purposefully displays and respects the gendered differences. I felt as though that would turn a lot of people away in our culture so I decided not to. But you did and did it in a great job. A confidence booster for me.
Women are better at understanding feelings which had been shown in studies before (women have been shown to read babies emotions and specific cries better), but I didn't know it was even shown on a genetic level. That was really cool. The genders compliment each other and I think you do a great job at acknowledging that. Big props to you.
thank you very much. I just checked out your channel and am enjoying the content as well.
@@PilgrimsPass Thanks bro. I have a video on Katara where I touch on her motherliness and femininity (although I didn't specifically highlight gender roles). You're clearly religious and so am I. It's nice to have someone of my same worldview making videos on things I love. I'm working on a Sokka video and I'm gonna be at least touching on gender roles in that one so stay tuned.
@@DrUpauli I don't understand why people believe in gender roles. Why limit your traits to your gender? You can like things stereotypical to your gender but not everyone is expected to be like that or act a certain. And no it's not a genetic thing for women to be the nurturing or emotional ones, that's just human nature
@@JonCage9 It's human nature yes but.. it's literally proven to be genetic bcs that's just rooted in our DNA no matter how much you like it or not lmao
it doesn't mean people can be different and it doesn't mean that's bad, but those traits in particular are the ones most supported by our DNA. We even see this in a lot of female animals, particularly mammals, so it's not just human nature.
@@JonCage9 because they are religious.
Thank you for your work
Great essay, appreciate it!
The only thing I don't agree is that a man can't pull up feminine traits as good as a woman (and the other way around). Times are different, and there are lgbt people also. A part from that I believe that masculinity and femininity are just facts, undeniable facts. The point is that the articles you put in the video are partials. Modern cognitive psychology clearly reached the conclusion that the differences between sexes aren't that deep after all. Especially when it comes to genetics. I thought that, being an expert, I should've specified all that. Seeing all the articles you put in the video was painful.
Also I love Katara 💙 She's a big inspiration.
by definition of femininity feminine traits are more common in females and they are better at them. And psicology reached the conclusion that there are real biological differences in ppersonality and choice between men and women that increase in egalitarian societies. If they are very deep or not its a term of wording. They are statistically measurable and the averages differ significantly.
@ELODIN dude what? Psychology hasn’t come to any conclusion that there’s a big difference in terms of psychological and neurological functions between the sexes.none
I agree with this, and I'm going to leave a reply to remember and come back to it later-
@@thienbaongo7997so… what are you going to do now? It’s been about a year so I’m just wondering
It's so rare seeing people praise katara over Azula usually the Fandom makes it seem like she's the worse for being motherly
A nice video as usual.
Quite an interesting video. I don't agree with all of it (my perceptions are a bit different, as well as some of the information I had during uni), however, your words are making me reevaluate some of my paradigms. Maybe I'll never agree with you a 100%, but I truly and deeply appreciate the information you've provided, as well as your thoughts on the matter.
Thank you for spending a bit of your time and energy to make this video.
Whatching the show I never realized the similarities of both Azula and Katara. Amazing video. You did a great job explaining positive and negative (toxic) femininity. You articulated many ideas I could intuitively understand but found out hard to express. Thanks!!
Wow, I be honest, I never considered this before and is actually very cool!
And I am agree...I am so tired to be told by Hollywood that be femenine is equal as weak, sure as a kid I was the tomboy thype, you know playing in the mud, with dinosaours and such, but...I was still girly, I still treated my toys at home with care, even put some plushies on bed before going to school...but now days they want to give up characters like Captain Marvel or Korra who are, very mean, like super mean...my favorite heroine ever as a kid was Starfire, as a kid, I admired her a lot, she was very strong, brave, could fly and had super streght, but also was so femenine, kind gentle, compasionate (and after you see how is her people, a warrior like civilization, her kidness was not exactly comon there), and in a way is like Katara, she is the one that helps to keep everyone toguether, man...Aang's Avatar had the best females characters ever, Katara, Suki, Toph, Ty Lee, even Azula, all interesthing and memorable...and then we got Korra...just...why?
I didn’t even notice that korra is basically a jock until that little clip you did. Wow!
Also as one of your 5 female viewers, I greatly appreciate your well made video. I think it’s actually spot on
I would love to see the good messages in your video spread to others in our hurting/lost/diluted world.
This is awesome, I've been looking for this (well not this specifically... I've actually been looking for the female counterpart to Joseph Campbell's "Hero's Journey." But this is along those lines.). 😃👍
What makes you think the hero's journey is male exclusive?
@@joshuasgameplays9850 because of the symbology and themes present in the cycle... why else?
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The "journey" to become the heroic/ideal man isn't (historicly) the same "journey" to becoming the ideal woman...
Hence hērõs (literaly protector or defender)...
I'm not talking about modern liberal sensibilities (it's fine if people want modern women to be/ have heroic stories/journies), I'm just interested in/referring to rediscovering the traditional female narrative.
Is the background from 18:27 a skyrim scene? It looks familiar.
Also, nice crusader avatar. Looks cool.
I love this video, now I want to see Avatar all again Jajajaja, great work and God bless you.
that was very touching ^ and inspiring
This is exactly what I've been thinking to myself. Saying men and women are completely the same is only a phrase that has been said only recently, while my parents and grandparents say that they sure as hell are NOT, and say that with pride and respect to one another, and not with hostility and toxicity. These days when you say anything even hinting at that it is taken as patriarchy or bigotry. But i sure as hell can tell you that there isn't a one time when my mother has changed a tire to our car, or when my father has walked the dogs, or a day when they haven't loved or cared about each other.
I personally as a young man in my 20's yearn for the time when gender differences were looked upon more as a thing to be proud of than a thing to be frowned upon. We're two sides of the one coin, but without one, there is no coin. One cannot replace another. And i think that there will come a time when the western world will be forced to rediscover this fact, or fall in the haze of history like many civilizations before it.
There is a difference between biological differences and gender roles society made up. Everyone already know that men and women and not physically the same but that doesn't make them less equal, whereas separating roles and traits to certain genders and expecting them to act a certain way and only that way because of said gender is dumb
@@JonCage9 You worded this whole thing perfectly in a way that I probably couldn't.
@@JonCage9 thank you!!! This is exactly how I think. Biological differences absolutely exist, psychological differences absolutely exist, men and women are not the same but the dumb cultural\ societal boxes are harmful and toxic. What does changing a tire have to do with gender? Do our ancestors have cars and tires? No they didn’t, things like like that are just cultural.
Men and women being the same is related to rights. They are biologically different and most people acknowledge that. When people say that they mean that both genders are equal
keep being based my man
24:43 *it's about drive, it's about power*
*We stay hungry*
*We devour*-Firelord Ozai
This is written beautifully like a holy verse
At first I didn't see Katara and Azula as pure opposide but you are right and you said a lot of interesting things. I didn't realise how traditionnal I am, I know I struggle to be anticonformiste thought.
40:29 I agree it's a good thing to emphasing qualities whese are traditionnaly feminine or masculine however I'm afraid that people will oversimplify the idea and blame men and women to be not masculine or feminine enough. Like the woman has said in the conference of your video: "no one is totally feminine or masculine" I like when a female character uses her feminine strenghts but I hope to see more men with those abilites too and vice versa. We have a lot of Tomboys in media but still nowadays few people look favorabily on feminine men (that's why I love Aang). Because femininity is still seen as inferior...
I like your video very much, thank you.
That is the best video of the channel until now!
This video made my day
Thank you.
Digging the knight avatar. :)
You could argue that the same dichotomy applies on the masculine end of the spectrum to Iroh (positive) and Ozai (negative). Would love to see a video on either of those two!
This is a terrific video
Another foil pair people miss is Zuko and Sokka. Both have sisters that completely over shadow them with bending, forcing them to develop skills apart from bending, both loose contact with their fathers, longing to get back to and be like their father until they realize that their destiny is somewhere else.
Haha ok I am at 23:42, that was hilarious.
Also, when guys talk about femininity I get a bit concerned (having been sucked in the red pill pipeline and all that) but this was a solid and fair take. I don't even feel like you said all women had to be a certain type of way, so thanks, I appreciate that.
I think in the end we (man and woman) just wanna do what comes naturally to us, and be the best version of ourselves as we can.
It's really nice to actually hear someone talk about toxic femininity for once. Toxic masculinity is very talked about and recognized, but people seem to forget and even outright deny the existence of toxic femininity.
That’s not true the idea of toxic feminism has always been there and talked about and used to scare women into more submissive and “feminine” roles unlike toxic masculinity which has started to catch heat even in this video he’s still talking about toxic masculinity but within women
@@iwillgowiththatcat8667 I... You literally agreed with me, why did you start your reply with "That's not true"?
Besides, toxic feminism and toxic femininity are different things.
Toxic feminism is like those chicks that believe men should die and shit.
Toxic femininity is when a woman is basically a personification of all the bad traits that are stereotypically more common in women. Things like being manipulative, catty, and trying to bring down other women.
In short, toxic feminism is "Women are the shit" while toxic femininity is "Every other woman expect for me, ain't shit"
@@bluebird1914 so i realized i made a typo and i meant femininity, toxic femininity has always been characterized and talked about and most of the time not liked throughout history so i didn't initially agree with you due to the fact you said toxic femininity is not talked about at much as toxic masculinity when that's simply not true.
@@iwillgowiththatcat8667 That doesn't sound like what we're talking about. There have been highly misogynistic societies like ancient Athens, where femininity itself was denigrated, but you don't usually hear people talk about how some parts of femininity are good and some are bad.
I nvr noticed the Mary statue side by side with katara. Damn that's a well designed shot.
Lmfaooo dude when you were doing the whole what if ozai was hearing his daughter in his head “dontcha love me daddy” 😂😂😂😂