Lithium VS Hydrogen VS Solid State | EV Battery Technologies Explained
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
- We explain the main types of electric vehicle battery technologies, and the pros and cons of each. Lithium, Hydrogen, & Solid State.
00:00 Intro
00:47 Lithium-Ion Batteries
01:57 Cons of Lithium Batteries
03:53 Hydrogen Fuel Cells
05:02 Cons of Hydrogen Fuel Cells
06:24 Solid State Batteries
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I just went electric with a Renault Zoe. It's perfect for local journeys, and that's really all I do. I charge it overnight once a week at my home.
Try and keep the charge between 20 and 80 percent for the health of the battery. Don’t keep letting it drain too low
@@vinceking7878 Most people don't keep their cars longer than 3-4 years there isn't much point doing that if it's going to be sold on early on in its life.
@@vwukben The average now is 8.1 years. If you keep yours 4 that means someone else keeping their 12 years
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@@vwukben I have to wonder how many people are buying used cars they can’t afford to maintain. The same people who say new cars are a waste of money because they depreciate, I think. I bought a Honda Civic new and drove it for 15 years, then simply drove it to the junkyard (it had rust) because the Blue Book value was worthless. I’m on my second car ever now, a higher level Japanese car this time, reasonable parts and maintenance costs, and plan to keep it for longer. We bought my wife’s car new, in 2011. It can likely go twice the amount of kilometres currently on the odometer, so maybe 20 years, but we’re hoping by 15 years old we can give her an upgrade. Meanwhile my neighbours go through used cars like they’re speed dating, and keep telling me how new cars are a waste of money.
I remember a Document traveling 100 miles in a flash and appearing elsewhere as what we now know as fax. Things have a way of solving, once we know what the problem is. Thank you for a very concise problem presentation with all the battery technology in use for Auto.
IF you are going to get hydrogen from natural gas, you may as well run your ICE car on LNG and save the problems with handling hydrogen.
Better to run the hydrogen through a fuel cell and charge a small battery. Much more efficient than to burn it in a combustion engine. But eventually it has to be green hydrogen or possibly blue, i.e. from nuclear, otherwise it won’t make sense.
@@matskjellstrand7730 Hydrogen is not viable because of its thermodynamics, energy economics & chemistry. Hydrogen production wastes half the energy put in, as heat, which goes towards global warming. This is not something that will improve, as its simply the huge amount energy required to break C-H & H-O bonds to form H-H.
This lost energy has to be paid for.
Renewables are now pairing with huge battery storage installations, California, UK & Australia are some examples. Australia has had a long history with Gridscale Vanadium liquid flow batteries that run for 20 years. They are now getting into Lithium as the costs drop.
Hydrogen is difficult to make & store, as it leaks out of just about anything, and makes steel & aluminium brittle, so high pressure hydrogen equipment needs regular inspection & replacement to meet regulatory safety standards to avoid catastrophic failure. The only big customers of hydrogen are in the chemicals industry, and they have been getting cheap immediate use hydrogen from natural gas & coal, which is impossible to compete with on price, flexibility or quantity.
Hydrogen is difficult to store, but a chemicals buyer can put in an order tomorrow for thousands of tons and it would be made fresh from fossil fuels, no need to store. If it were made from electricity not only would you need to have started producing weeks ago using the cheapest possible off peak electricity (dwindling as battery storage ramps up), but you’d have to store it for weeks & insure it. The total cost of that green hydrogen is more than 4x fossil hydrogen even with off peak electricity so chem industry buys from the cheapest seller, because their customers don’t want to pay a high cost for the chemical products. Even if electricity became free, which was a pipe dream promised by nuclear, the run cost makes hydrogen a premium specialist material, for use only for high value purposes. That is why Scania & Man are no longer pursuing hydrogen, and why you do not see hydrogen powering EVs. Even the public refueling stations cost a fortune to install & maintain, whereas ev charger stations cost less than 1% to build & maintain by comparison.
Hydrogen is the future! We need to get everyone hooked on it first and then make it green or blue later.
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Very instructive video. I didn’t get what is the composition of the solid state battery? Except that the electrolyte is also solid. Request clarification.
Great informative video into Battery/hydrogen tech. Although I have to disagree with your initials points around hold backs on EV adoption regarding Range anxieties with 300-400 miles of range and long charging times.
It's extremely rare to drive 300/400 miles without stopping, you would need a rest stop giving an opportunity to charge, and the charging tech has developed fast passed having to wait >hour to gain substantial charge.
With those particular statements, it's the mindset of ICE vehicle drivers that needs to change, which is the comments I get a lot (I have a Nissan e-NV200 with 100-150 miles of range.)
Cars that we use for daily driving don't need more than 300/400 miles of range, even today, there may be reason to challenge that if your lifestyle has you driving 100s of miles a week but even then I'd still say that's sufficient range.
Further, moving from ICE to EV a key in charging is understanding that it is done alongside other tasks and not as a stand alone activity. I charge my van at home of a 3Kw Plug, from 0%-100% it takes 22 hours... you can imagine the laughs from friends that drive ICE saying, "wow we'll have to give you a day's notice to meet up then" because ICE drivers know filling the car as a stand alone activity where you have to stand at your vehicle filling up. This is completely wrong for EV, even with 150 miles of range it is sooooo much more convenient, I come home, plug the van in (takes ~15 seconds) and I'm done, I just do that at the end of each day. If I'm out on the road, I take a put stop to grab food or use the toilet while charging on a fast charger and I'm good to go.
So really, charging an EV means instead of queueing and standing at a fuel pump, you plug in and go about your day with an EV.
Great video though, helped me understand the technology inside the batteries. Thanks
If everyone were to change to ev your electric bills and solar bills are going to go through the roof. You may enjoy how "free" it is now but you'll see. The government and other corporations always have a way of taxing you. And I'm assuming your van is lithium powered? Which isn't good for the environment compared to solid state batteries? Yeah with how anal the world is about the environment lithium use in batteries will most likely be banned and replaced with solid state or hydrogen which means no replacement batteries for the van.
Unfortunately as with everything else on social media people tend to “pick a side” on an issue, and the remarks are, unlike yours, just arguments that prove their position by cherry picking their points. I’m “for” EVs, or “against” them. Context is everything. I live in a rural area in a 2 car household. One EV and one ICE car in the driveway will cut my emissions footprint and gas dependency while retaining all the freedom I could ever want to meet every travel scenario. Until my country’s infrastructure and the EV battery technology matures more, anyway.
Agree with you.
If you want a metal that can store energy , non explosive and non flammable we should consider Vanadium batteries. They discharge 100% of stored energy and takes about 20 years to degrade ,This is what have been used for our storage of electricity at power plants all along and i find if more efficient compared to Lithium which is explosive and flammable.
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Vanadium redox flow batteries you mean? I wouldn't even call it degradation, you can just replace the substance and it's good to go again. It's a good option for long duration storage.
Good for large footprint \, not for cars.
Nice information..
Very nice video, thank you
Hydrogen has an energy density problem. While energy per kg is very good, energy per litre is very low (even in liquid form) leading to large fuel tanks. To make matters worse, the high pressure required for hydrogen makes them very heavy.
Hydrogen is " A Dead end " solution due to the many logistic and Cost issues.
@@sunshinesun121 and so is lithium. Solid state seems to be the viable option.
I just saw aluminum solid fuel, it solves the problem of liquid hydrogen.
The beauty about SSBs is that once they're adopted into the consumer market, you know who will drive them full scale in his mega-factories, that will have a sharp negative impact on their price !!
Thanks a very good summary. What is the future of Graphene in this space ?
Indeed! What future technology innovation are you most excited about?
I was skeptic before buying a Nissan Leaf 2022, 40KW. the autonomy is about 200Km. It is perfect for commuting but also for long distance travels! a Fast Charger in Ireland (Europe) is never too far away and I have visited small town and places I would have never visited otherwise while charging. The best car I've ever driven.
Glad you are enjoying the Nissan. Will also check it out
Very educational, thank you. Maybe less music overlay next time, very annoying after a while.
Solid state is certainly the future, though I think capacitors should be explored.
Very well said.
SSBs for range & Supercaps for fast charging are already being used by Italian Supercar maker Fulminea in their Extrema model. Too expensive for general use as manufacturing cost needs to come down.
hydrogen is clearly better
@@samuelx5466 for sure: everyone loves the wasteful and tedious process of electrolysis (sarcasm).
@@ScipioAfricanus_Chris as opposed to the wasteful and tedious process of building heavy batteries filled with precious metals only to end up in a landfill, all the while with a much lower energy density and ride length, yes, electrolysis is far superior
Well, first we want those solid state batteries for mobile devices, bicycles and then early robowaifus. Cars can come later.
Nobody keep a phone for a long time, most people constantly changing their phones, it’s such waste of solid state battery on phones.
Hydrogen infrastructure will need to be built sooner or later for the heavy transports. When that happens, I think we can expect to see more hydrogen cars on the roads.
Not just for heavy transport, but also for chemical processes like making ammonia and methanol. Green hydrogen on a massive scale is completely inevitable if we want to have any hope of decarbonizing industrial agriculture, for example. The biggest advantage of hydrogen for transport, though, is that it decouples generation and demand; if you want to charge a 100kWh battery in 6 minutes, you'd need 1MW of dispatchable power on demand. Multiply this by the number of cars that need to charge up at any given time, and you can see there's a problem, especially if you're relying on variable renewables like wind and solar. Batteries are only half of the equation when it comes to solving the problem of slow charge times. An energy vector like hydrogen solves this problem because it doesn't have to be dispatched instantly. We can instead build enough infrastructure to make and distribute the stuff to support those instantaneous spikes in energy demand.
As for the extra energy required to make hydrogen compared to the round trip efficiency of batteries: California, by itself, already curtails enough energy every year that we could charge 26 million cars with 100kWh batteries. Well-to-wheels efficiency is just a non-issue because we're already wasting a tonne of energy, and as renewable penetration increases, we're going to be drowning in the stuff and looking for things to do with it. Hydrogen is a great energy sink, because it's never full. You can throw as much cheap, almost free electricity at it as you like and use that energy later, and do so on scales that would make even the most ambitious battery chemistries blush.
@@seanmorrison3744 Bruh, Are you charging a 100Kwh batter in tenth of an hour?
You'll burn into flames
Not going to happen
Instead of drilling which is bad for the environment, we should go back to killing whales. They are renewable, especially if we can farm them.
That is an interesting thought! What future technology innovation are you most excited about?
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Lithium car batteries are a valuable resource even at the end of their life - they can be easily repurposed for home or grid energy storage. Finally, at the end of their storage life they can be recycled and approx 95% of the materials recovered and reused.
im going to drive a gas powered car as long as possible but im seriously thinking about investing into ssd companies cause this good be big in the future
~ Battery EV ~ grid power, to battery, to forward motion, around 85%-90% efficient from grid to road
~ Hydrogen EV ~ grid power to electrolyzer that splits water to Hydrogen 75% efficiency, a 25% loss right off the top, compress the Hydrogen to 10,000 psi another 13% loss, transport the Hydrogen to fueling stations another 5%-10% loss, fueling stations will need energy to operate but let's not even count that, fuel cells are roughly only 40%-60% efficiency so a minimum loss of another 40%.
Simply adding the losses your left with 32% of the original electricity used to split the water. But in truth the losses are cumulative, so in reality your left with about 20% of the original electricity being used to propel the car. So you would need 4.5X the power from the grid up front producing Hydrogen to get the same miles traveled as a battery EV.
In addition to the to that. An electrolyzer that makes 4 kilos of hydrogen per hour (top off 18 Toyota Mirai's per day) plus the hydrogen compressor required for 10,000 psi, high pressure tanks, plus a building and all the various ancillary hardware, monitors and safety equipment cost upward of $2 million dollars, the fueling stations cost upward of $2 million dollars. Added to that will be the cost of replacement parts, labor and maintenance.
Battery innovation is happening at breakneck pace. Hydrogen from beginning to end is much more involved, complex and expensive to maintain. Also there are limitations to the improvements to efficiency that can be made by turning electricity to hydrogen back to electricity. It will never be economically feasible.
I copy pasted a few paragraphs below from a paper by - Prof. Werner Antweiler, Ph.D.
Fuel cells are not perfectly efficient converting hydrogen into electricity. Some of the energy is lost as heat in the process. The tank-to-wheel efficiency of fuel cells is reckoned to be only about 40-45 percent. Toyota reports that its FCV requires about 0.8kg of hydrogen per 100 km, although 1kg per 100km is probably more realistic under normal road conditions. A typical BEV consumes about 20-25 kWh per 100 km, depending on weight and other characteristics. Some small BEVs are even more frugal.
How is hydrogen made?
Currently, the main method of producing hydrogen is from steam methane reforming (SMR). High temperature steam (700-1,000°C) is combined with methane under 3-25 bar pressure in the presence of a catalyst to produce hydrogen and carbon dioxide in two chemical steps. Steam and methane generate carbon monoxide and hydrogen, and then a water-gas shift reaction combines carbon monoxide with more water to form carbon dioxide and hydrogen. A third step removes impurities from the gas stream, leaving pure hydrogen. Using low-cost natural gas is currently the most affordable option to make hydrogen, but it is not GHG neutral because of the carbon dioxide that is created in the process, and the heat that is needed in the process and comes from burning natural gas. Producing one kilogram of hydrogen is associated with about 9 kilograms of carbon dioxide (Sun et al., 2019).
A cleaner method of producing hydrogen is through electrolysis, where an electric current breaks water into its two constituents. If the electricity comes from clean renewable sources, the hydrogen is indeed mostly emission free. The only emissions are associated with the upstream manufacturing of power generation equipment.
Hydrogen made from SMR with carbon capture and storage is also called "blue hydrogen", while hydrogen made from water electrolysis is called "green hydrogen".
There are other pathways to produce hydrogen. One alternative technology is known as thermal and plasma pyrolysis, which breaks up methane into hydrogen and carbon directly. Plasma pyrolysis requires 10-12 kWh/kg and has far fewer emissions than SMR.
How much electricity is needed to make hydrogen?
A completely efficient electrolysis system would require 39 kWh of electricity to produce 1 kg of hydrogen. However, the devices commonly found in operation for this process are less efficient. A typical operational figure is about 48 kWh per kg of hydrogen.
How efficient are FCVs compared to BEVs?
‘BEVs are more than three times more efficient than FCVs.’
There are two types of energy losses that need to be accounted for when calculating the kWh needed to drive 100 km: well-to-tank (WTT) that accounts from source to hydrogen tank, and tank-to-wheel (TTW) in terms of fuel cell efficiency and propulsion in the vehicle. Combined, these two energy losses translated into a well-to-wheel efficiency (WTW). A recent study by Whitehead et al. (2018) shows that FCV only have a 22% efficiency, compared to 67% for BEVs. This translates into an energy use of 87 kWh per 100km for FCVs and 28 kWh per 100 km for BEVs. In other words, BEVs are more than three times more efficient than FCVs.
If FCVs are less efficient than BEVs, do they have a future?
FCVs for passenger vehicles makes neither economic nor environmental sense. Economically, the extra cost of producing hydrogen and distributing hydrogen makes FCVs less economical than BEVs. Whereas batteries are becoming continuously cheaper and significant innovation is visible on the horizon, the potential for reducing the cost of fuel cells or making them more efficient appears to be limited.
FCVs for passenger vehicles also do not make sense environmentally as long as electricity is not completely clean, or hydrogen comes primarily from SMR sources rather than renewable energy. FCVs with hydrogen from natural gas are not significantly better than modern (mild-hybrid) gasoline engine vehicles. Every extra kWh of electricity that is needed for making hydrogen is putting more carbon dioxide into the air than a battery-electric vehicle, even including for upstream emission in battery manufacturing.
I would never get a hydrogen powered car. Too many problems when getting them fueled up and handling problems. I know there are very few fueling stations - but that is not my main issue.
No matter what battery technology is used, there will always be Pros and Cons for operations with a vehicle. Ideal situation with Lithium battery charging is if you only drive around town and do tasks on a single charge during the daily routines. Then charge the vehicle overnight at home.
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When do you think solid-state batteries will come to mass production cars, and how much would it cost?
Great question! Would love to know as well
Probably at least 2035, the early ones will probably show up around 2028, and they are probably only for luxury vehicles, and prices are definitely going to be expensive.
80% of cars sold in the US are pre-owned. There is essentially no used electric car market that could be considered a value comparatively. Of course, now with crazy inflation and supply issues, used cars are more expensive, but still, used ICE cars are much less expensive than new ICE and Electric cars.
instead of turning back odometers they will be turning back charge cycles.
Wow
What about an energy source using Thorium, a relatively stable ATOM.
That could be viable
300-400 miles is more than my last non-hybrid car got.
I still love the spoiling sound of a turbocharger that’s why I haven’t transitioned
1. I am too young 2. The car i want is over $100k
the car i want is tesla model x
What kind of batteries is The Freyr Industries being produced in Giorgia ? Is that Solid State Battery ? It is the best solution Battery for EV, I think.
The problem with H2 is that it is explosive and has high pressure, much like placing explosives under your car or having an H2 refueling station, which can be dangerous to the surrounding area. Why do we have to deal with the risk of explosions spreading throughout the city just for the sake of mass casualties?
Solid state battery need to be updated with circuit board with capasitors to start the heat and insulation to sustain temp
What’s stopping me from getting an EV? Fixed Income Pension’s and EV Prices are Miles Apart!
The same goes for over half the population that had no choice or chance past a Minimum Wage Job.
EXACTLY, and who knows if you get a lithium battery powered vehicle now they could stop and ban the use of lithium batteries in vehicles if solid state advances in tech due to environmental reasons
Buy a used EV. Lots of choice out there now. I've seen used EV's on sale at £6k. The problems you are citing haven't arisen specifically as a result of the introduction of electric cars. The problems you describe would apply to any type of car, irrelevant of it's power source.... If you can't afford a £15,000 electric car, you still wouldn't be able to afford a £15,000 petrol one either.
@@Brian-om2hh here's the thing, not everyome can switch from there car whether it's for financial reasons or even the desire to change cars, and your not even considering the people who live in apartments that don't have a charging source and even if they did tho those spots would be full 24-7. Ev shouldn't be pushed this hard and it isn't ready yet for everyone to switch too.
Which year we will get a Solid state battery for 20000 USD?
My company JCB is investing heavily in hydrogen. But not fuel cell. ICE hydrogen it seems a very viable solution and when the infer structure is improved it will suit a lot more than the heavy construction equipment sector. Also green hydrogen production can be ramped up easily with existing technology. Toyota is also involved in this brilliant but simple solution.
The most important industrial method for the production of hydrogen is the catalytic steam-hydrocarbon process, in which gaseous or vaporized hydrocarbons are treated with steam at high pressure over a nickel catalyst at 650°-950° C to produce carbon oxides and hydrogen: CnH2n+2 + nH2O → nCO + (2n + 1)H2; CnH2n+2 + 2nH2O→ nCO2 + (3n + 1)H2. The primary reaction products are processed further in various ways, depending on the desired application of the hydrogen.
Hydrogen gas creates carbon monoxide and its bad as fuck for the environment. I'm sorry, but a basic law of energy is that energy can not be created or destroyed and in real life energy is lost to the surroundings during the transformation of the system.
But all that hydrogen still needs to be produced, using lots of electricity. After which it then requires transporting in specialist tanker vehicles to where it is used - causing roughly the same pollution as deliveries of petrol or diesel.....
Do solid state lose efficiency in cold climates like lithium ion?
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Sweet spot: 500 miles/ 5 minutes full charge, and the charge stations be ubiquitous.
There is too much monitoring and oversight! The carmaker monitors and collects everything you do, everywhere you go and even counting number of times you break wind daily! I stick with low tech ICE as long as I can, even if I believe EV is the future
What is the white car at the 0.04 mark? Is that an EV?
Around 5:40 mark producing liquid Hydrogen from natural gas does not constitute production of greenhouse gasses. The carbon molecules in the hydrocarbons needs to be seperated and, at worst, would mean the production of ' fly ash ' as well as H2. Any company willing to seperate Hydrogen from natural gas should be willing to find uses and alternate saleable byproducts from the operation. If they do not, I would be willing to help them invest in gold mines and take care of all the ' waste ' silver, nickel, iron and other metals.
you could load a brick of magnesium and either burn it and add water or dissolve it in hydrochloric acid to produce the hydrogen and it would eliminate the trillion plus dollars needed to build all of the pumping stations we would otherwise need.
That is too simplistic. You still need to compress the hydrogen gas into liquid form and the cost is huge in infrastructure.
Yes I have a Preuss
May I add, that you can also produce hydrogen from home and refuel your car by using solar panels.
Huge investment is needed for that
Planning and safety constraints in the UK would not permit hydrogen production and storage in domestic situations here....nor would any insurance company offer to cover your property. It's a non starter.
@@Brian-om2hh that’s strange as other European countries are investigating big in hydrogen.
Please don't repeat the "charging takes so long" myth.
Fort ten years, I've never waited even a minute for charging. I plug in when I get home, and whenever i need the car, it's full.
It's true that most parking lots don't have nearly enough charging stations to do this for "destinations" but if your range is 300 miles and you're commute is less than 100 miles that really doesn't matter -- just charge at home.
ICE Refuel = 5 minutes
EV for same range = 1 hour
It’s no myth
@@seanpeacock5595 you missed the point.
With my ICE car, I have to go to a gas station, fill the gas, stand in the fumes and noise.
With my EV car, I do none of that, because I just plug it in when I get home and leave it.
I spent infinitely more time filling up my ICE than charging my EV.
Now, if you're the kind of person who frequently drives 300+ miles in a day, your needs will be different. Luckily, the vast majority of cars and drivers in the US don't need to worry about that, though.
Exactly.
Producing hydrogen from electrolysis should be fairly cheap using renewable energy. It is just that there is not enough demand for hydrogen yet to justify an investment like that. Out of all these options, I would bet on hydrogen to be the dominant type cars in 10 years.
I wonder if solid state batteries can work in sub zero temps
@Mdm In other words - they cant...
Without said packaging trying to keep a temperature gradient, right ?
Agree, time will tell. What future technology innovation are you most excited about?
So why not just create an electrical interstate grid. Car and trucks can drive on it while charging the same time. Utility companies and charge same rates as it due per hour of for the use of the electric highway
Germany has been testing that out.
HYSR SunHydrogen is working on green hydrogen.
electric cars still have a long way to go before they are practical in Australia. Most people here have relatives in other parts of the country or like me just do annual trips across the country. none of these cars can drive across australia with the a/c running flat out without needing to many long recharging stops. My next car around 2025 with be another diesel. Hopefully after that bev will have evolved enough or maybe hydrogen fuel cell will have moved in. We will have to see.
It isn't the use of EV's in Australia that is impractical, it's the Australian Government who are impractical......They've had their heads buried in the sand for years. What a hell of a shock they'll get when they finally pull them out.....
Most people don't realize that lithium is fossil fuel which has it's own varied problems...I always use Energizers for my toys ...
Range and charge time.
Catastrophic battery fires are what's keeping me from getting and electric vehicle...
I think charge time is still what keeps me away from a EV car, i live in a flat, and have no private charging posibility, meaning that i have to charge on a public charging station.
This would be ok if charging was as fast as refilling a petrol car, but is for sure not an option for me, when a recharge takes 1/2 hour or more.
No not all consumers want to move to EV’s as quickly as possible : that is what governments and greenies want you to think .
Holy moley, no wonder oil companies are gouging us. Who's going to want an ICE once solid state batteries are scaled.
I find it funny that we have YET to use PULES GENERATORS and or PULES motors You can use a 4th of the batteries to power it and less weight
2018 Nissan Leaf
LiFePO4 is in same pot as other lithium battery's in this video? These cells can be recycled to make new cells so no need to throw them away and these have 4000-10000 cycles lifetime and probably more in the future so i put my money on that one. And many EVs including Tesla using that example in China. Its cheap and gets cheaper every year because no expensive materials.
It's batteries, not battery's....
Why sooooo few of these EV videos talk about the COST of electric vehicles? I believe this is one of the biggest reason people dont go for it. Not many people have a spare $45k pocket change in their account for an EV.
maybe a solid state battery could be removable from a car to charge in a persons house
Cobalt is mined in the Congo and humans bring it out in bare feet. Lithium is also polluting . Making batteries requires a large amount of dirty energy to manufacture them. Hydrogen does not have this issues.
So where and how will the platinum, used in the manufacture of hydrogen fuel cells, be sourced? Cobalt has been mined for decades by the big oil companies. They need cobalt to remove sulphur during the refining process. If you drive an ICE car, you are just as guilty as those you are trying to discredit..... Hydrogen has huge manufacturing issues with inefficiency. Hydrogen powered cars are also frighteningly inefficient, achieving around 23% efficiency, which is worse than some ICE vehicles. And don't expect hydrogen to be a cheap fuel......
When people complain about EV range they forget petrol cars also have a range and current EV range actually better than petrol cars.some current EVs over 1000km! Plus you can charge in your garage overnight or supercharge in less than an hour or battery swap nio in minutes. No place for petrol vehicles now except in trucks.
Elon Musk was right when he addressed it as the hydrogen "Fool Cell." Highly pressurized tanks of hydrogen in residential vehicles are no joke.
Great call out. What future technology innovation are you most excited about?
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"Ranges of only 3 to 4 hundred miles." Meanwhile, many ICE vehicles barely have that range because of low MPG numbers. I drive a 2018 Dodge Grand Caravan for a work vehicle at my job daily which has a full tank range of around 400ish miles. Stop acting like 3 to 4 hundred miles is short for an EV range when many ICE cars have similar ranges. The biggest hurdle is the speed of charging that is rapidly being reduced with several boasting of 80% charge in as little 20 minutes. I don't know what you've been looking at, but many newer EV's have (especially Tesla) have found ways to reduce charging times with the use of powerful DC charging stations bringing down charging times to 30 minutes or less for 80% charge or more. It's only when you start looking at the home charging stations using 240v/120v AC power that those charging times go up. As for solid state batteries, your assessment of them is completely off. Toyota is working on this tech at a rapid pace and plan on testing them in the real world in their Hybrid lineup before adopting them to their growing EV lineup. So the idea of that type of battery being only in high priced luxury vehicles is 100% way off.
Green hydrogen
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Additionally, when you look at the number of KWH needed for the US, you need to be building 3 GW sized nukes every 3 weeks if you want semi-clean energy. As in from about 6 months ago to 2035 or whatever... JUST to handle the power needs for cars. Unfortunately, we aren't building them. And coming up with 17 nukes every year is a problem. There are years to permit one... decade or so to build and so on. Hydrogen looks interesting **if** you can find a biological way to break water apart. Calling on Solar and wind to cover the Terrawatts needed for transportation won't work. With the grid in a fairly fragile state in large parts of the country, depending on Gigawatts of extra consumption will be a problem. IF Tesla ever builds their truck, and starts building appropriately sized charging stations, you are looking at power consumption the size of a small to mid sized city. (quarter to half a gigawatt hour of batteries take a LOT of current to charge... When it comes to hydrogen, a fuel cell installation does not involve a carnot cycle engine. No internal combustion... Just normal electricity.
Hydronium fuel to fill up electric engines 😮
please release the solid state batteries right now
its already too late
Gasoline and diesel is the superior fuel source.
I know it may be difficult but perhaps we need to find or create a solid state hydrogen
Isn't feasible yet to make the transition. Still GAS baby.
I dont like the thousands of connections on current battery cars .
Electric cars cost too much, I desperately want one tho
For use in the city only, there are now quadricycles like the Citroën Ami which costs around 7000 euro only. It's not a real car admitted but it inspires me to think why a car must be so heavy, merely for safety reasons. If all cars were lighter and less fast, the safety problem would change too I suppose and lighter, less expensive electric cars could come on the market.
So buy a used one. They cost less than a new one. You don't *have* to buy new....
The background NOISE is off putting. Couldn't watch all of it.
Lithium Ion batteries are only good for devices that don't have to carry around their own weight.
I see some issues about this over hyped EV moment...the amount of money that will be lost by the buyers when this old battery expired...and the amount of trash battery we will need to take care of...on top of that the natural impact to extract the material to produce both liquid or solid stat batteries... let's hear what they will have to say when these problems popped up...I'll keep my old ICE car for now...
Ah, you've obviously not heard of EV battery refurbishments. Cleveleys Electric Vehicles in the UK, carried out a battery refurb on a 10 year old Nissan Leaf. The work took 4 hours, and cost the owner £600. And there is no liquid element in a modern EV battery. There is nothing to leak out.
We are so not putting liquid hydrogen tanks in a consumer vehicle.
Living in remote canada I cannot see battery technology working for us as it is currently set up. When SS hit the market in large scale I will make the jump. We also do not have the "cleanest" grid power so really the electric car is not saving anyone when it uses dirty coal or oil produced power. Once all our power grid is clean energy and batteries are SS then I will be first in line.
For now it is trendy, but not anywhere near truly green!! I also do not need a veihicle that goes from 0-100km/hr in 3-4 seconds!!
I live in Quebec province and here the electricity is green, here we should all have EV's, I dont understand why people esitate about EV's. Specially we have a $13,000 refound from the gouvernement and with the refound you can buy an EV for less than a petrol engine!
@@antimocammuso3577 You do know that the "refund" is the government paying you with your own money?
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The Toyota does not use liquid H2. How could you be this wrong?
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I like being independent and not concerned about where I can get fuel. So for now gasoline or diesel if what I prefer. Less pollution too.
Also I would like to skip all this B.S. and go straight to the inevitable. Self charging vehicle from solar body cars. Plug 🔌 is stupid.
Oil countries after seeing this
I've found most of the electric cars are very cramped and hard to get into and out of. The Tesla X is the only one that I have found comfortable.
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That used to be true, but with new cars/trucks coming from all of the major automakers this is changing rapidly.
Agree! The Tesla X has a lot of room. Do you have one?
MARKET >>> APOCOLYPSE that is why we don't go all in on solid state or hydrogen investment
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Hydrogen is a bastard to store - or so the conventional wisdom goes.
But there are various "metal hydrides" which absorb hydrogen at STP. No I didn't know about them, either.
These (and similar substances) can absorb SO much hydrogen that the combination can be ten percent hydrogen by weight. And that represents a lot of hydrogen. There is also ammonia, which is a slightly more complicated way to store NH3 (and thus hydrogen). Maybe batteries are not the only fruit.
BYD has invented the BLADE battery that is promising and efficient
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In India, although there are companies that have taken initiatives for EV manufacturing using Li-ion Batteries, but the private automobile companies have been aiming for the production of Solid State batteries by 2025. Moreover, the National Hydrogen Mission has rejuvenated the R&D in Hydrogen Technologies including the battery sector. Lets hope the Indian brain come up with a game-changing and path breaking innovation to help India become a global leader in EV!!!
….bad assumption….not most consumers want to change to electric vehicles as soon as possible. 😂
What will happen to the batteries after the end of life, will this just add to pollution or is there a green way of disposal, I fear this will be a massive problem with disposing of millions of Ev cars every year. Will the battery proformas lessen through use so will a 300 km trip on a full charge turn into a 100km trip after 6 years of use depending on the mileage a user will do, of course. Hydrogen will not have long-term problems like this.
I bought a donkey. You don't need to plug it in @ nite! 🤣
What worries me with battery cars is the cold and then the battery aging so my 300 mile car might actually do 100 to 150 miles when it 3 years old. Then what spend 7k on a new battery as warranty won’t work unless there a faulty component. They should warranty them for capacity like 80%. Like your phone @ 80% will be flat by lunchtime even when fully charged in the morning.
Oh dear. You've obviously never owned an EV. And why on earth would you spend 7k on a new battery, when a battery refurbishment might only cost a quarter of that?