My opinion is that Miyazaki is an unparalleled animated film master. I assume he is politically an environmentalist and pacifist to some extent as you pointed out by his films, but he never tells you to be like him, unlike our films. He simply shows you a beautiful picture.
We seem able to lose all of those during times of peace as well. Especially in this current age, where those who lord over us tell us how to think if we don't want to be mislabeled as "evil" just because we have the common sense opinions that there are only two genders, or that abortion is wrong. I see monsters like Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Hillary Clinton, or even Lindsey Graham and Kayleigh Mcenany. Monsters exist both inside and outside of War. War just seems to be the only time anything is actually done about them.
@@ChillstoneBlakeBlast its funny that....80% of my friends back ukraine while here i am staying grey as usual, thank god it paid off, can't believe they took the bait
Saw an interview of a Presbyterian minister who, as a soldier in WW2, helped his men arrange Japanese bodies to make their position look stronger. His description of dragging human bodies around left him crying about what they had to do in war to survive.
I still consider "Mononoke Hime"/"The Princess Mononoke" the greatest theatrical anime of all time. It delves into things so thoughtfully. The violence in it, which at times was strong, actually proved a point. Ashitaka became extremely dangerous because of the curse. Everything he did basically became a killing blow, whether he intended such or not. Curses, hate, rage, pain...they make you lethal...but at a steep cost.
Captured my sentiments exactly. This movie has been, is, and will likely continue to be in my Alltime Top 10 S Class Films, a truly legendary story that I can watch over and over again without dulling; it's held up for 20 years. Ashitaka is, no joke, one of my ideal heroes and his speech to the town square about the shape and nature of hatred wets my eyes and prickles my skin.
I see plenty of monsters during times of peace as well. In fact, it seems to me, somebody that has studied history an entire life, that war comes about directly because of the monsters that arise during times of peace.
Yes. War is sometimes a necessity to battle evil. Certainly not all justified. Most are not. But some are, and to deny it does a great disrespect to those who fight to protect the innocent. I'm usually a fan of this guy, but he should actually read some history, as opposed to taking movies as gospel.
To be fair, "Peace" times is a Vague term . There will always be conflict so long as (publicly) everyone is unarmed, as the armed have easy pickings for themselves. The only way to Achieve true peace is True equality (in opportunity), Everyone having the right to defend and arm themselves (Including in the legal system with Lawyers) and Good Communities to live in...
One of the themes of "Porco Rosso" is the guilt at being the last survivor of a war. The titular character was the only person in his WWI flying squad to survive, and for some reason is turned into a pig. In the last scene, it is left ambiguous if he's recovered/recovering.
His transformation into a pig is supposed to reflect his opposition to the fascist government in Italy (The Italian Fascists frequently called communists and communist sympathizers 'Red Pigs' or in Italian 'Porco Rosso'. It also represents the feelings of survivor's guilt, it's why Porco seems to transform back into a human when he dwells on the past.
"Your enemy is never a villain in his own eyes. Keep this in mind; it may offer a way to make him your friend. If not, you can kill him without hate - and quickly." -Robert A. Heinlein, _The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress_ "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and their freedoms." -also Robert A. Heinlein, _Starship Troopers_
Yup, this is why I could never be a strict pacifist. It requires that everyone else plays by the same rules, or you end up getting knocked over by the guy who knows you can't or won't hit back. So it is ultimately necessary to be ready for violence for when it comes. In other words, we need to learn to harness our inner monster and utilize it when appropriate. That monster got our species to where it is today, and that monster will be necessary when social support systems can't be there to help you.
@@piranhaplantX All it takes is a single belligerent to decide to not obey the rules, and just like that he's the only wolf in a pen full of sheep. Far better that we all be wolves. The likelyhood of peace is greater that way.
@@piranhaplantX I would refrain from calling it a "monster". Monsters are þings humans are ought to kill, and if everyone supposedly turns into a monster at times, þen we all must kill ourselves.
1. _"Your enemy is never a villain in his own eyes. Keep this in mind; it may offer a way to make him your friend. If not, you can kill him without hate - and quickly."_ I don't know the context, but you should not just murder those whose interest does not align with yours. We don't have to be friends to co-exist, we may stay as enemies in our lifetime, but our children may one day become friends. It's never wise to start a blood feud willy-nilly. 2. _"Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor"_ *Wrong.*
I still remember in one of the older Call of Duty games, whenever you die you’d get a quote about war from some historical figure. One that always sticks out in my mind is (and I’m paraphrasing here), “War is enjoyable to those who have never experienced it” or something along those lines. I remember it so vividly because I immediately thought to myself that I’m currently enjoying a video game about making war fun… really made me wonder about what actually being on a battlefield would be like, and not just as some invincible game character
Cod WaW already taught me this. Depending on your actions in the Russian part of the campaign a certain character will have different opinions on you. Though like most horrible things that happened his words fade away into echoes. No matter what you do or how horrible you are in the end it’s gonna get covered up. This is probably one of the darker aspects of war. The forgotten stories, ones that don’t get to see the light of day because they will cause us to question whether or not our actions are justified. Things like the Laconia incident get forgotten because it makes the enemy less of an other. People like John Rabe aren’t talked about because they don’t fit the narrative of good vs evil. Every country is guilty of this. As a old Brit once said: “History is written by the victors. History is filled with liars.”
John Rabe was a good man. They really did the man injustice with the denazification. Guy died in poverty for the good he had done for the Chinese people during the massacre of Nanjing. If this is what good people go through doing good, there is little incentive to do good in this world.
I agree that war is, in all cases, more detrimental than peace. However, when the choice is between war and being dominated by an authoritarian and genocidal foreign government, I believe it is not only moral but imperative that those with the power to do so stand up against an attacker. Once it is determined that a war is necessary due to an outside threat the war must be fought in a way that reduces deaths of non-combative people.
I agree with the premise regarding authoritarian regimes but feel that the more violent and horrible the war, the shorter the war will be. War is horrible. It can't be made less so by being gentle.
This reminds me of the Vietnam war, where a foreign power burned down half the forests, slaughtered tons of innocent villages, and gave the majority of the populace cancer for years to come with a little thing called agent orange.
@@MIDiver67 This exact mindset has been shown to be wrong time and time again. Take world war 2 for example. Germany thought that quickly killing tons of civilians in Britain and causing a "more violent and horrible" war, that the Brits would surrender quickly. Instead, the the populace was galvanized to fight back even harder, with no mercy. I could cite plenty of other examples too. The more violent and bloody you try to make a war, the more it galvanizes the opposition against you.
Finally an episode with Princess Mononoke. My favorite anime movie of all time. I've watched it dozens of times since childhood. The story, the meaning, the visuals, the music, everything is great. Miyazaki's films are definitely worth watching over and over to understand them better. I didn't pick up on these themes until my teenage years. They're really beautiful movies for any age. Highly recommend.
I can't stand Howl's Moving Castle. Then again, I have read the book and they are similar in the same way the Starship Troopers film and book are. The characters might share the same names, and some basic traits, but that is around it.
Peace is best accomplished through strength (deterrence). We can stop war before it starts. It's seemingly ironic that weak leaders are often a catalyst for conflict, including morally and spiritually weak leaders.
@@billmiller4972 Because no one had an clear advantage or the ability to wipe out cities in an instant. The US has been able to prevent entire wars because of a clear an overwhelming military advantage in conventional warfare and of course the nuclear option. If the US is expected to intervene it prevents war completely. It's why the Arab nations haven't tried invading Israel again with conventional armies, it's why North Korea and the PRC have not invaded South Korea, and its why the PRC hasn't invaded Taiwan.
@@kingjonstarkgeryan8573 Wipe out cities in an instant? You mean with atomic bombs? So every nation should have those? "The US has been able to prevent entire wars because of a clear an overwhelming military advantage in conventional warfare" which lead to the USA invading other countries just because they were able to do so with impunity. In the last decades with a less than brilliant success rate. And a horrible civilian fatality rate.
@@billmiller4972 No I'm just saying nuclear weapons have been great at preventing large scale conventional conflicts between world powers. So long as humans are left the rule themselves and live in this imperfect system of things there will always be conflict even if it's just small-scale brushfire Wars
As much as I like Miyazaki and his anti-war views, I must state that conflict is inevitable as long as people are "sinful." Envy, hate, wrath and xenophobia can fan the flames of wars into a giant crucible where human lives are burned to fuel the continued horrors of war. If people could just respect one another no matter their views, blood or relation, conflict might be avoided. But since we mistrust one another, blame others for our troubles of our own making, we need an out and war is the answer.
@@ShermanistDruid that I have to agree with. However, what I mean about respect is being able to hear something and not go apeshit over the difference of opinion. Words are a concept until they are put into action. As long as they stay as concepts, they are harmless. Again, I do agree that respect is earned, especially since I saw how respect given to people who haven't earned it tend to mess stuff up.
Don't forget Greed. And nowadays necessity. One of the reasons Russia invaded was to turn on the water flow into Crimea after it was Cutoff Post Russian Annexation. Another is the rich Resources in Ukraine like a newly discovered gas field.
@@abelcheng2073 Welp, that's just how human nature goes, either they're ignorant or corrupt. The thing is mankind was and will always be self-interested by nature. And those interest goes either high or low depending on each respective situation,.Every minute passes on this world is a natural resources that are being consumed and once those resources became scarce, even the most noblest country can resort to trickery and deciet. The fault lies on the current state of the world, if mankind one day abandon all their identity as nationalistic beings, their won't be anymore war on this world. The only solution is to build a one-big homogenous nation that only law is consist of being a good human, nothing else. Maybe after World War 3, that could happen.
Miyazaki is definitely an environmentalist and if I recall is a commie (or at least is a communist sympathizer) and you can tell this in his works. Despite this he’s not preachy about his works and weaves in themes naturally making his environmental messages a lot more sympathetic than western movie makers do with their environmental messages. They are great movies and I definitely recommend them.
Miyazaki is an artist, which is one of those career paths which could be seen as "non-Essential". Of course he would have much different Worldviews than say, a farmer. There is nothing wrong with his work, but I get the feeling so many people start thinking in a detached sence of reality due to not Going by in the real world as the mayority of the population. I don't know much about Miyazaki's life, but I do know most artist seem to not have the grasp of how most physical labor feels.
@@ChillstoneBlakeBlast This comment feels like it’s trying make it seem like communism is a lazy persons ideology. But communism is generally an ideology of workers. Farmers, laborers, machinists, etc. why do you think the symbol is a hammer and sickle and not a paintbrush and pencil?
@@jcboyle82 It's an Ideology for the Misinformed, which Hard Workers being an Easy target. Communist believe that The Authoritative power knows best but in reality, They don't and never have, Probably never will.
@@ChillstoneBlakeBlast ok so if you have a better understanding of what communism is, can you explain it to me? I’m not a communist, btw, I just know what it is. And you seem to as well. So tell me.
@@jcboyle82 Communism is The Ideology of an Authoritative government to manage the entire country by taking over all of the country's resources: From Land, Food, Materials, Etc. The idea is to distribute the Resources equally, so that Everyone gets the piece. The reality is very grim however. The Authoritative government usually becomes corrupt and starts hoarding the resources/Luxurious goods for themselves. The Citizens get nothing because they have no Resources and the Government is simply lying saying "There is no food" because they stockpiled it for themselves. The people cannot arm themselves to take back what should be theirs because the Government Has it all, so it is hard for the people to revolt. If people are found out to be hoarding supplies, they are usually "Punished" because it goes against the states' Ideals. Propaganda is heavily promoted in a communist society in order to keep people's mind in check that They have no power and that the Government has all of it. This is how you end up Wiping out populations, just like Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong did.
18:16, it’s 2022. 2022 - 70 = 1952. All right then. South Korea isn’t ruled by North Korea, that’s an accomplishment. Saddam Hussein failed to conquer Kuwait. Also an accomplishment. And this is a bit of an arbitrary time frame since the Allies waging war against the Nazis for example ended the Holocaust. The American Civil War freed the slaves. So, war is violent and ugly and destructive and often easily empowers evil. But sometimes it is both necessary and justified.
The American Civil War only freed the slaves as an unintended consequence. Lincoln invaded the CSA to keep the nation together, nothing more. Emancipation was never a goal, only a tool. I'm glad it's a tool he employed, but let's not kis ourselves.
@@1krani The Republican Party was founded as an anti-slavery party. And Abraham Lincoln responded to Stephen Douglas saying “I don’t dispute Mr. Lincoln’s claim that the Negro is his equal but I do contest his claim that the Negro is my equal” by emphasizing that “the Negro is my equal and the equal of Judge Douglas. And when Stephen Douglas said that he loved democracy so much that he didn’t care if individual states chose to allow slavery, Lincoln ridiculed the position with the phrase “if any one man were to enslave another, no third man should object” and Lincoln promised to repeal the Fugitive Slave Act. And he emphasized that his difference with the abolitionists was that he wanted slavery abolished within a Constitutional framework. When the Southern States seceded, while Lincoln was still on the train to Washington to be sworn in, each one explicitly named protection of the institution of slavery as a major reason for so doing. Which was why Lincoln eventually offered to live with slavery in exchange for the reintegration of the South into the Union but the South turned him down. And even before the Civil War, Lincoln had said that if anything is wrong it’s slavery and that no one could be argued into subjecting himself to slavery. So the Emancipation Act was a military measure. But it was also something that Lincoln supported already.
@@1krani Maybe so. But the point that I was making was that the underlying claim of this video that the net benefits of war cannot outweigh the net detriments is untrue
@@g00gleisgayerthanaids56 I've had some in my family but I haven't myself. I'm too close the the egghead archetype to think getting brained by a bullet is the best use of my life. Soldiering is for those who could honestly think to themselves 'yeah, I don't have anything else I'm better at, so getting shot at for a career is an acceptable risk.' However, the idea of having to sacrificing your sanity, even if not your life, for your family is still a basic concept though if you aren't a moronic normie, an idiot blinded by war propaganda or a vapid cunt that couldn't think beyond themselves in the first place. I don't really think this applies to America's military though. We're protected by two oceans and two sorta-allies, and are a huge country besides with an excellent gun-to-citizen ratio. 'Protecting the family' isn't really ever going to be the true reason to join for fight Enemies Without unless you're an idiot or dishonest [to yourself]. That sort of reason won't ever be relevant so long as you don't live in a city that'd probably be a nuke target. Also, I'm a fucking weeb and so the concept of 'becoming a monster for someone else' has shown up at least a few times in the anime I've watched, enough to notice it and really think about what it means.
The Soldiers Job is to still acknowledge Human Rights and Morale. Raping 10yo children and impregnating them, denies the Russians EVERY right to be called "Human". 120.000 Children still missing, probably deported into a vile facility in Russia to be sold off and indoctrinated with their Propaganda. The "Soldiers" chose to act that way.
@@gehtdichnichtsan2418 There's a difference between being a monster to fulfill a goal, and being a monster to be a monster. Something like the Raping of Berlin didn't accomplsh a military or political goal. All the children that grew up from single moms raped by Russians will only have hatred for Russia because it was Germany's side that controlled the propaganda that made it to those kids, even if the whole raping part wasn't in play to color things. When you take over a country via literally raping it, you gotta either take the mothers back to your country and seperate from or kill the mother before the child is sapient enough to absorb any ideals, or annex it for at least a generation and control the propaganda with a puppet government.
Thank you for this video. I've been feeling lost and overwhelmed by current events and the last decades worth of wars. I've never lived in a time of true peace. It's... gutting. There's no other word for it. Miyazaki is one of my favorite filmmakers, but it's been a while since I've watched any Ghibli movies. Your video reminded me to seek out things I love, and take strength and courage from the widsom and determination of good people. Thank you, again. Going to go rewatch Princess Mononoke now.
I was talking to my mom about this, and she pointed out that while everybody understands to some degree or another that was is bad, few understand WHY it's bad. There's hate, yeah, and destruction of property and life of course, but the fundamental reason war is waged is for control -- particularly government control. Control over land, over resources, over people, etc. Garnering an emotional response from people is a big part of it -- weather it be against a person, a nation, a race, or even something non-human like drugs or disease -- if people singlemindedly view something as a threat, it makes them far easier to control. So the reason a libertarian like me or my mother is against war is not necessarily because of those bleeding heart things like destruction and loss of life -- that's just icing on the cake -- but because that's a major way government grows and oppresses and takes liberties, nationally or internationally.
I mean it's true and in this case the current regime is definitely doing that. It doesn't change the fact that Ukrainians have a right to self defense though.
@@fictiontheorizer1991 Or the fear mongering with covid for the past two years. And it's consequences is manifesting as global shortages and broken people in society right now, hell even before then.
@@thealliedpowers came to say the same, this is a hyper one sided and suicidally naive way to view things. Its a widely popular idea with this channel and its audience, but majority doesn't necessarily guarantee correctness or accuracy I strongly disagree with the ideologically motivated notion governments are the only possible source evil and problems in the planet. I don't like when people do mental gymnastics for the sake of knee jerk government blaming. It is the most powerful and useful shield non-state actors have been enjoying for decades, as it lets them get away scott free with so much bs but little to no oversight
17:08, if two people attack one person and the one person kills the two to save himself that’s not a loss at all. Libertarians, for fairly legitimate reason, tend to refuse to let governments off the hook for things that they would begrudge individuals for. Except an individual killing another person in self-defence or in defence of others is not something which anyone can legitimately begrudge yet in this one instance do libertarians sacrifice the intellectual consistency of insisting that that the State be held to the same standard as the citizen.
True. A war in self defence is always moral, otherwise your nation condemns its people to death. Sitting out a fight when you could save lives isn't noble, it's arrogant.
@@ribos2762 No. If the person who is attacked doesn’t fight the person who is attacked dies while his two assailants get away scot free which is the worst possible outcome
@@ribos2762 That’s true. It’s also true that in 1994, Ukraine could have refused to relinquish its nuclear arsenal and thus maintained a deterrent against Russia. And it’s also true that if Vladimir Putin hadn’t annexed Crimea in 2014, President Zelensky may not have felt compelled to seek NATO membership. And surrendering doesn’t always save everyone. This isn’t the same thing and I’m not claiming that it is but Austria voted in favour of its annexation by Germany while the Sudetenland and Czechoslovakia surrendered to Hitler without firing a single shot. So there are definitely situations wherein surrendering itself loses tremendous amounts of human life.
The beautiful thing about Princess Mononoke is that when you are a kid you side with San and the forest creatures, but as you get older you become much more sympathetic to Lady Eboshi and her people. The unfortunate reality is that humanity will never stop fighting as we live in a world of finite resources. Like Osa said ‘life is suffering, the world is cursed but still you find reasons to keep living.’
It's kind of like Morgan Freeman's line in "Seven": " Ernest Hemingway once wrote, "The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part."
I wise man once told me - "hope for peace prepare for war". I will always perfer peace over the alternative. Sadly the world is a rather complex issue and I think Hayao Miyazaki's films show beautifully.
@@theproceedings4050 my dad did see some action in desert storm even took out 12 Iraqi soldiers and did experience some near death encounters but returned home with his limbs still attached and with a medal
War is necessary in the defence of your interests. Those that are unwilling to go to war will inevitably be subjugated by those that are willing. Total pacifism is delusion. Self-defence is no crime.
Neutrality is the most realistic approach to pacifism. It means being ready for war against allies and enemies while remaining neutral towards any conflict.
As long as life exists, the possibility of war/violence/use of force in general is a thing and it's better to be ready for it than not. The one who's not ready and willing to use force when necessary, better be ready to be a victim of violence.
19:00 You know trade and cultural integration didn't exactly help China with its hostile regime being more "friendly" with the West, infact creating a dangerous enemy threatening our very way of life.
That's only because China has a regime for whom the very concept of private property, and therefore trade, is abhorrent. No amount of goodies will ever convince the ideologues like Chairman Xi that the West is anything but a foe to be ground down and destroyed.
China’s communist regime never would have even come about it if wasn’t for outside invasion. The British and Europeans colonizers weakened China. The Chinese republic that came after splintered because of the Japanese invasion and then the CCP and nationalists fought a bloody civil war as proxy’s of the United States and the Soviet Union. None of that would have happened if it wasn’t for outside invasion.
@@joshuabonilla3491 Learn your history before you start going on about the evil colonizers. China wasn't weak because colonizers were taking loot. It was weak in the early 1900s because too many of its own top brass wanted to be the next Emperor. First there was the Republic, then Yuan Shikai basically staged a coup and took over, then he died, then the Qing came back briefly, then the Chinese army split into regional warbands and started fighting each other. All of that was in the span of about 4 years. Crow about the Europeans all you like, the fact remains that what destabilized the Republic was Yuan Shikai's coup and his assassination of the Republic's elected leader, not the West's shrinking spheres of imperial influence.
@@realpolitics527 Because China ideologically hates America's guts. They're communist. That means they're morally obliged (you know, if we pretend commies have morals they wouldn't compromise in a heartbeat) to hate capitalism, and America's been the poster child for capitalism since immigrants starting rushing to come here. You can't culturally integrate with China because their communist culture is completely incompatible with our own, by their own choice. The only option is to squeeze their commie regime until it collapses.
I feel like the Wind Rises is so underrated. It was released later than a lot of the more famous Ghibli movies so it doesn't get the attention that Spirited Away or Castle in the Sky get.
Maybe this is just me, but as a teenager and a young man, who knew of the Japanese war crimes across the pacific and East Asia, I could never take Miyazaki or other Japanese anti-war filmmakers seriously. The Imperial Japanese government and military were perhaps the greatest force of evil and cruelty the world has ever seen. Even the Nazis were horrified by what the Imperial Japanese army did in China. Mass rape, competitions to see who could decapitate the most people in an hour, using civilians for bayonet practice, throwing babies into the air to be impaled on bayonets or shot like they were clay pigeons, and countless more war crimes and crimes against humanity. For a mere 50 people killed and the Imperial palace being damaged in the Doolittle Raid, the Japanese killed a quarter of a million Chinese in retaliation. War can be quite easily justified as there are truly evil people in the world, particularly those in power. But the lesson everyone should keep in their hearts is that while the cause may be noble, war is still a terrible thing even if waging it, is the right thing to do.
@@user-lr6hw4dq4t but it was his father, uncles, cousins, and brothers who took part in the war and inflicted those crimes. To this day the Japanese people refuse to admit to the countless War crime that was committed by their grandfathers and great-grandfathers
@@kingjonstarkgeryan8573 Let's say the whole history of europe as bloody as japan. But only a few country who admitted warcrimes. The only way to put these criminals by trial is like occupying german and do nuremberg-like trial
@@user-lr6hw4dq4t there is no historical evidence of Europeans using babies a skeet shooting practice or using living people for bayonet practice let alone competitions on how many people could be decapitated or raped in an hour. European Wars like a Thirty Years War in the Hundred Years War were extremely bloody and brutal put the Imperial Japanese Army took it to a whole other level.
@@kingjonstarkgeryan8573 are you sure you ain't took account on colonial occupation? Slavery? Trafficking? Native genocide?My point is: Miyazaki , and some japanese author (like Hajime Isayama) just expressing anti war messages, but people just do "whataboutism" cuz they're being "japanese" and not admitting their country past crimes? I think they dont have to, bcs they're not representing japan govt. My country also occupied by japan in WW2, they raped and killed many, but asian just have different way of thinking than european : just get along with history , forgive but never forget.
I'm very thankful for your accurate, thoughtful choice of words, for your attention to write the subtitles. This video might be an award for Miyazaki, as his non-polar works were viewed from different angles, in various contexts.
I'm reminded of the saying, "Those who seek peace, prepare for war." Peace is a lovely concept and ideal but that's all it'll ever truly be, an ideal. In a world of over 7 Billion people with countless different cultures, religions, ideals and beliefs, War is something that will always happen at some point in time, in those instance you should not focus on stop war but ending it as soon as possible you might not save everyone, but you'll atleast ensure far less people die. In a sense war is like an open wound, you can't stop the blood from leaking out but if you're fast enough you can minimize the damage and ensure the limb/body survives.
It's okay, the people with all the money are doing their darndest to homogenize and overwrite all of those diverse ideals and beliefs into something more profitable to them in the long term. soon only wars against those who attempt to escape their System will be permitted.
Reading the history of the country I live in shows something kinda crazy. The biggest thing to reduce our military conflicts was a war where both sides declared victory.
As a combat veteran, all I can say is I disagree with anti war sentiment and ideas strongly. But there’s not enough space in the comments to explain. Except to say, those who will not go to war to defend the innocent and the helpless, invite endless atrocities and bring rise to such evil that war is civilized by comparison.
Defending yourself is different from aggressive though. For example, in Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind, another Miyazaki, the people have to fight against an invading force to defend themselves and protect their way of life. They end up being successful, even though they lose a lot in the conflict. Miyazaki isn’t saying that you should avoid conflict at all costs, he’s just saying that you shouldn’t aggress to begin with. If you must protect yourself, then do so, but don’t go starting unnecessary conflicts. I fully agree with that. At any given moment, I’m armed in public. Will I attack someone? No. Will I defend myself if I’m attacked? Yes. Don’t let the government fool you with a bleeding heart story into going and destroying another country. I’m not anti-military or anything either, all of my best friends are veterans along with many of my family members.
@@jesusstaccato8448 Yep, take nato. Born out of the need to defend against USSR and the warsaw pact USSR and Warsaw pact gone for a generation Actively engaged in aggressive wars, bombing defenseless nations and killing civilians Aided a military violent coup in Ukraine, turned Ukraine against Russia as a forward operating base Got caught red handed prepping to escalate the now 8 year old war Plays the victim while arming Ukraine leading to more deaths. Grows natos borders adding more nations. How many young impressionable men believe the lies about joining a nato army?
It's a world of grey things. All soldiers are forced to fight in order to defend what they protect but in doing so causes another's harm in a way they don't intended. Soldiers kills soldiers and those soldiers happened to defend what they hold dear. It's the government at fault here for using them
While I enjoyed this video, and enjoy Miyazaki (or, his films), I can't help but see a conflation of war, aggression, and, defense in the points made. If Miyazaki's idea of pacifism is tantamount to "don't resist against aggressors", I will pass. Sometimes, fighting the aggressor is far less destructive than simply letting the aggressor have their way. And, that truth in no way makes warfare any less "bad".
He doesn't advocate full on pacifism, judging by e.g. Nausicaa. The people of the titular Valley of the Wind fight foreign invasion and in the end manage to eject the invaders and make a sort of peace with them. He does oppose militarism, though.
War is at best a necessary evil. We send out our young men in hopes that it wont destroy the lives of everyone else. They deserve our respect for that.
Do not confuse war for battle. Battles can be a necessary evil. Not all cultures are equal and sometimes groups of people are incensed into violence, for whatever reason. Battles and fights happen simply because violence itself is part of nature. But wars only happen because self-centered, entitled people regard human lives as simply another resource to expend getting what they want. Said people are not always the ones to declare it, they are never the ones to fight it, but they are ALWAYS pushing for it.
@@1krani Wars do not happened because self-centered, entitled people regard human lives as simply another resource to expend getting what they want. Wars only happen because the defender decides to fight rather than capitulate. Much of the abolition of slavery internationally has been under direct threat of military action, specifically the West Africa Squadron, where the British Empire, and some other countries, decided that human life was worth spending to fight slavery. The primary reason that it was so effective was because nobody was willing to start a war against the Royal Navy over it.
@@cp1cupcake ...Capitulate to whom, exactly? How are you supposed to capitulate without an aggressor? And what exactly characterizes the aggressor in a war, if not the kind of man I just described?
17:01, Hitler wanted to kill all the Jews of Continental Europe. And while early on the countries he attacked surrendered without firing a shot rather than go to war, after he invaded Poland that changed. So the alternative to willingness to wage war would be the Jews of Continental Europe (at least the Western part of it) all dead. Which I would consider much more of a loss than waging war against Hitler. So yes, the war was a net gain. (I know you’re talking about at an economic level but that’s not what I am talking about.)
You're missing the point. He never said that war is never necessary or justified, only that it is always terrible. Even in World War Two, arguably the last great conflict of good and evil, the "good guys" found themselves committing acts of unspeakable wrong. The American Internment camps, the firebombings of Dresden and Tokyo, the Artillery Assault on Manilla, and, yes, the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were all horrific acts, and, whether they were horrific but necessary at the time, or merely crimes against humanity, they remain horrific acts. That's the point of the episode. It's not that "only monsters go to war," but that war, itself, _creates_ monsters.
@@CasualNotice For the record, Sean Malone began this video by saying that he wasn’t convinced that war was ever truly justified and the specific point at which I posted my comment was responding to something he said about war never being a net benefit.
@@matityaloran9157 actually war do have a net benefit you are currently enjoying the benefits of the highly advanced technology that was developed during these wars
Honestly, what I get from all our failed wars, like Vietnam and Iraq. Is that if we’re not willing to eliminate the threat completely, there’s no reason to even start the war. It’s a cultural issue and we can’t defeat that, without wiping the slate clean.
I believe Carl von Clausewitz has it best, war is merely an extension of politics and diplomacy at its most basic level. At the end of the the day, all wars end where they should have stayed, with people sitting down to talk.
The only problem is how much it takes to get someone to sit down. And even if you get to talk, what are the odds they are going to agree to any of your terms? The most dangerous militaries and parties in the world were often headed by people who could not be bargained with, at least least not for long.
@@channingcheese2 I lost count how many times I've asked someone what evidence, no matter how remotely possible to obtain, would change their minds and they answered me, "none".
@@channingcheese2 What the OP forgets here is that at the end of the war when people sit down to talk generally one of them isn't so much talking as being talked to, because they lost and have zero say in anything.
Taken from this point of view, one of the most ghastly aspects of the design of the Mitsubishi Zero, the thing that made it so agile and dominant in dogfights, was the fact that it devoted practically no weight to armor or other safety measures for the pilot. This has been seen as an expression of the Japanese self-sacrificing warrior ethos.
All things considered, I'm not very sure that is an accurate expression at all. If you compare them to the Wildcats, you can see very different design philosophies having gone into both of them. Relatively speaking, the Wildcat was a flying brick, and until countermeasures were developed and outside of flukes, the closest a Wildcat could come to beating a Zero was hoping the Zero used all of its ammunition and had to return to its carrier before the Wildcat was shot down.
Gundam SEED and SEED Destiny both have a similar moral: war is bad no matter what but we individuals should be able to defend ourselves and live how they want to be. The ORB Union is practically kind of a libertarian-right city state in the same vein as Singapore and Lichtenstein and they are mostly portrayed in a positive light. And the Terminal, the Clyne Faction, and the Three Ships Alliance themselves are all non governmental organizations dedicated to pacifism, freedom, justice, and self defense. That's why they only disable mobile suits instead of destroying them. They just want to spare as any lives as possible.
I respect and embrace pacifism as much as anyone. But the reality of it all is is that there will always be war due to human nature’s thirst for power and control over others as well as greed. These kinds of things are at the very forefront as to why wars keep happening.
From what I understand, with Mononoke - he didn't even dismiss the *benefits* of technology. The people of Iron Town are well-fed, the industrial economy creates opportunities for women that are non-existent in neighboring towns, and their wars are seen by their leader as the simplest and fastest way to alter the dictorial governments of nearby areas.
I love Miyazaki. All of his movies are absolute gems! There’s a lot of wisdom there. Grave of the Fireflies absolutely kills my soul every time I watch it, and Princess Mononoke has a lot to say on the subject. Not to mention The Wind Rises, I love that it shows a man who is passionate about something, but he can only work in that industry by making instruments of war. I freaking love all of his movies! Watch them all, there isn’t a bad one among them!
18:36, so you oppose the Second Amendment then? Since it’s based on the idea that you can legitimately use lethal violence to defend yourself from the government should it turn against you. That sounds a lot like saying that fighting is in some instances justified.
I'm sympathetic toward your and Miyazaki's view, but we must also remember that us human are opportunist creatures. Should you think it's easier for you to just take what you desire by force, you might be tempted to do so. Moreover, there's this another side of conflict/war that always appealing to us. We are craving this sensation of being on top, dominating others thru show of strength.. being "superior" bring "glory" and confidence to us. In short, IMO war does *NOT* makes us monsters. We *ARE* "monsters", and war is simply a manifestation of our true nature. We are capable of being benevolent and merciful, but we are also capable of being selfish, vengeful, and cruel. Therefore peace thru strength. If you desire peace, you must be prepared for war.
We are not monsters. We are thinking individuals with a choice. Violence is a choice. It's not on our "nature". The very society we live in on is built upon the concept of cooperation and mutual benefits. Acting out on violent impulses might very well be a psychological disorder.
@@cosmefulanito5052 Our society is not "built on concept of cooperation and mutual benefit" out of altruism, but out of *selfishness.* Under normal circumstances it is simply better and more beneficial for us to cooperate, therefore we cooperate. But should cooperation is no longer the best course of action, we will stop pursuing it. Case and point: riots, revolutions, pogroms, etc. We glorify war, heroism, and personal sacrifice. The Russians build a giant statue to commemorate their victory in the World War, the Mongolians build grand statue of cruel conqueror Genghis Khan, etc. There's no denying it. We are "monster", acting on violent impulse is part of our nature. Otherwise violence in TV, comic book, and video game wouldn't sell. Boxing, wrestling, karate, etc would not have exist. Nobody would ever want to learn martial arts or watch violent sports. I won't shy away from it. *I fully embrace the ugly and violent nature of humanity.*
I note you left out ww2 on your war analysis. I love Miyazaki, but at the end of day 'war bad' isnt an adequate hypothisis when someone wants to do things to your people. I'm not saying its good- but I am saying occasionally the alternative is much worse. People will choose destruction over oblivion. And while, yes, recent wars may not have been so humanitarian in their vision, other wars were. Sometimes if you dont stop someone they dont stop themselves. Sometimes senseless destruction is *going* to happen and your only choice is how much it effects your people. Are we at that point? On that I'm not so sure. I sure hope not. I dont *like* war, I dont think it should be pursued unnessisarily, and I dont think we need to be world cops (usa, I mean) because... well. Who are we to do that? But I do think its a mistake, to pretend the military is always the bad guy. In ww2, they saved a lot of lives. Military action, I belive, was what ended Japanese atrocities in China, for instance as well as more famous examples. And acting like that didnt happen is in no one's service. Now, was that the intent of military action in that war? No. At least not at first. By all accounts, much of ww2 started with the intent of 'hurt the people who hurt us' but they still saved lives. Nausica of the Valley of the Wind is a particularly interesting entry in the Ghibli library because its message is almoast the polar opposite of the book its supposedly based on. In the end, the book version of Nausicaa decides to comit what can only be described as an atrocity in the hope of protecting her people. Its not a very happy ending, and I understand why Ghibli cut off the story at the point where a different lesson could be learned. That said, Ghibli is, or should be, well known for what it does to source material. At the same time, until some alternative is available, is being a monster what enables others to survive in peace? I dont know. I just dont pretend that fighting is never needful. And, in suggesting it shouldnt be done and providing no alternatives, I find your words here distasteful. Say perhaps "we should not get involved in overseas wars that dont involve us" if that is what you mean. I could get behind that. Or "war for purposes of economic growth or aquisition of resources is very bad" I could understand and back up.That would have a very solid point. How about "every ecanomic and social tool to avoid human death should be used before starting any conflict"? That seems ethically sound. But just 'war bad'? Historically, war is how you protect your people from monsters. Sometimes its the only tool to that end that works. I generally expect something a bit more solid from you.
you're confusing war with self defense. war is always bad, because it is started by an aggressor. you - as a defender/the one attacked - participate in war to defend yourself. but war is always bad, because it had to be started by someone.
@@cole8834 biblically meek and a doormat are two different things, and if you are saying that it 'takes two to tango' and saying that one person is the agressor in one sentance then I'd like to invite you to write out your thoughts more clearly, as I'm unsure what point you are making this time.
@@DanteTheSimpSlayer and if the war is started by people who were getting choked by someone stronger? Look, I'm not sayong "all war is good, paint the walls with blood" here. I'm saying that acting like no war is just is a recipe for both disaster and worse, cruelty to people who protect those of us secure enough to argue with content creators (me. I argue with content creators. I enjoy a lot of safety, and I'm grateful) If we agree that war is not trivial and should not be started on trivial grounds, then great, we agree on most of what we think. But I dont think that pretending we're never going to have a good cause to fight is smart, or kind. Not to me, not to you. And certainly not to whoever they draft when the next one kicks off. War alone does not make monsters. Some wars are just. Not all. Not most. But some.
Although a pacifist and humanist, history teaches that pacifism will never be achieved and actually contributes to the war efford of the aggressors. I'm anti-war and a big supporter of Neutrality. Being neutral doesn't mean being a pacifist, being neutral means expecting everyone to be an aggressor and preparing gor potential conflicts with everyone in defensive wars.
Objectively false, history teach us that pacificm as achieved many times and make greatest conquers and never contribute the effort to aggressor. If you prepare to war you make the conflict inevitable, because the aggressor prepare itself more powerful and begins an escalation.
Miyazaki definitely formed my teen and early adulthood views on war and pacifism. Oddly enough it took going to actual war to break. I've seen that it is in all of us to become monsters without war and war is the only True answer to a monster. Yes, many will lie to you that this person/ people is/ are monster/s but that doesn't change the very true fact that humans are capable of becoming monster all their own. And for very little reason really. Self preservation is a human right. Miyazaki's thoughts that love would cure or that war is the source of these once human monster is as you've stated one drenched in the environment that would create those monsters blinding him to the fact that even if you could remove violence and war from humanity you'd still have monsters just no way of ever stopping them. You focus on the cost of wars but fail to understand that many of our modern wars aren't fought to deal with these monsters but support them. This I do object to but sadly many including yourself have demoralized any whom even have the faintest desire of striking the true beast for you make it distasteful. Choosing pacifism isn't choosing its forcing someone else to carry that burden for you. The world lacks in any real responsibility. To say war isn't likely to be justifiable because unjust wars happen is liken to saying that all tade is theft because some are scams. Small-minded and short-term assurance is all you get from it. I wish I could return to the blissful ignorance you boldly hold.
Princess Mononoke is probably one the best films not just anime I have ever seen. It touched me deeply when i watched it as a kid and I still go back and rewatch it on a regular basis.
Here is where I stand on the ideology of being "anti-war"; it takes an extremely arrogant and condescending person to proclaim one's self with such an ideology. I can guarantee more than 90% of humanity holds war with an immense amount of disdain. I find this kind of proclamation to neither be wise nor inspiring. Preaching to the choir is not wisdom, it's arrogance and is just meant to inflate one's own sense of self importance by gaining the adoration of people that already agree with you.
Subscribed, people think that soldiers are warmongering but that isn't the case most wish nothing more than peace to remain. The anime mentioned as a fan of it has shown that nature is beautiful and needs to be protected, and that we all are demons and if nothing was stopping us who knows what we do.
Excelent video and reflections. I really recommend reading the manga of Nausicaa, in which Miyazaki develope this themes in a much deeper and complex way. Without a doubt one of the best stuff ever put into paper.
As an engineer, the one thing I do appreciate that comes from war is the innovation of technology that was otherwise never going to happen. War brings out a need for things to be designed for far greater stresses that would have otherwise never been considered or the need to accomplish a task that would have never existed as human ingenuity is pitted directly against itself. We can innovate without the loss, but it is inevitably much slower.
Last night I went to go see princess mononoke in theaters for it's 25th anniversary and this seemingly at random pops in my subscription feed... Weird.
Everything has a cost. "Equivalent Exchange" from FMA (Full Metal Alchemist) is true. Many think they know what the "cost" is, but the real cost is often not known and often much more than what we think it costs.
War is a monstrous thing and, unfortunately, is sometimes necessary. “He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.” 🎩 🐍no step on Snek! 🇺🇸🇭🇰
That movie is also a chillingly accurate reflection of the real world because at the end of the movie, despite everything that happened, NOTHING CHANGES. The characters go back to doing exactly what led them to that shitstorm situation as if they LEARNED NOTHING.
"What have the wars of the last 70 years accomplished"? Among other things a peaceful and prosperous South Korea (50 million who would otherwise be living in a communist hellscape), and an end to the Soviet occupation of eastern Europe (i.e. freedom for more than 1/4 billion people). Note: curious that you chose 70 years rather than 80, because the latter would have included WWII.
I understand that this video is about being "pacifist" and not endorsing war by either side. But. The truth is that no matter how pacifist you are, it won't matter, if the others outsiders will simply come in, and take everything from you. Your belongings, your loved ones, your life. You either have the means to defend or will be conquered by force. I would rather die with a gun in hand than to be slaughtered defenceless like a sheep.
Uhh bro. I don't think you understand what a pacifist is. Pacifism is an umbrella term that encapsulates a lot of views that are critical of violent conflict and war. It opposes war and violence as means to settle a dispute. It has nothing to do with being passive or submissive. And even if it raises several and complex ethical questions pacifism accommodates the idea of killing in certain scenarios, like self defense. Like if you were in a heated argument with someone in the street a pacifist would seek every opportunity to deescalate and cool things off. A pacifist would not be the first to throw punches, but would defend himself and others if the need arises.
Commenting as i watch and updating as needed. But Grave of the Fireflies is only an anti-war film when utilizing Death of the Author. Edit: Sad to say, but war can NOT be solved with out conflict. There is evil in this world and when people allow that evil to take power and guide them into war, only one thing can be done to put it to an end. Period. If you're not willing to fight evil then evil will win.
I disagree. Trying to prevent a war is like forcing humans to not be greedy. Its in our nature. I would name the tittle: "We Can Be Monsters That Create War" Some of the humans inventions were created durring a war.
My opinion is that Miyazaki is an unparalleled animated film master. I assume he is politically an environmentalist and pacifist to some extent as you pointed out by his films, but he never tells you to be like him, unlike our films. He simply shows you a beautiful picture.
In other word "Show, don't tell"
or in a more specific term "Show, don't arrogantly preach"
@@hamzahharis2238 Precisely.
Indeed. Even as a environmentalist and pacifist, both his protagonist and antagonist are nuanced and each speak truth in their own "right".
Even the monk who represents pure greed is generally a rather nice and helpful guy.
politically he is a communist
The first casualty in war is truth, second is innocence, and then Humanity(emotion)
We seem able to lose all of those during times of peace as well. Especially in this current age, where those who lord over us tell us how to think if we don't want to be mislabeled as "evil" just because we have the common sense opinions that there are only two genders, or that abortion is wrong. I see monsters like Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Hillary Clinton, or even Lindsey Graham and Kayleigh Mcenany. Monsters exist both inside and outside of War. War just seems to be the only time anything is actually done about them.
War Is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Wisdom
George Orwell-1984
"Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner."
All war is deception.
@@ChillstoneBlakeBlast its funny that....80% of my friends back ukraine while here i am staying grey as usual, thank god it paid off, can't believe they took the bait
Saw an interview of a Presbyterian minister who, as a soldier in WW2, helped his men arrange Japanese bodies to make their position look stronger. His description of dragging human bodies around left him crying about what they had to do in war to survive.
To be fair the Japanese were doing far worse
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl Many authoritarian nations have a hideous record when it comes to citizens of nations that are not theirs.
Wow. I’d love if you shared a link to that video if it’s on RUclips.
@@fearthehoneybadger And their own
@@WelcomeToLoco It was a historical documentary on TV. I'm sorry, but, it was so long ago that I don't remember the name of it.
I still consider "Mononoke Hime"/"The Princess Mononoke" the greatest theatrical anime of all time. It delves into things so thoughtfully. The violence in it, which at times was strong, actually proved a point. Ashitaka became extremely dangerous because of the curse. Everything he did basically became a killing blow, whether he intended such or not. Curses, hate, rage, pain...they make you lethal...but at a steep cost.
Captured my sentiments exactly. This movie has been, is, and will likely continue to be in my Alltime Top 10 S Class Films, a truly legendary story that I can watch over and over again without dulling; it's held up for 20 years.
Ashitaka is, no joke, one of my ideal heroes and his speech to the town square about the shape and nature of hatred wets my eyes and prickles my skin.
@mr oko Go outside IMO
I love that movie and Totoro for some reason.
One movie. Barefoot Gen. That is the penultimate animated war film for me.
I see plenty of monsters during times of peace as well. In fact, it seems to me, somebody that has studied history an entire life, that war comes about directly because of the monsters that arise during times of peace.
Yes. War is sometimes a necessity to battle evil. Certainly not all justified. Most are not.
But some are, and to deny it does a great disrespect to those who fight to protect the innocent.
I'm usually a fan of this guy, but he should actually read some history, as opposed to taking movies as gospel.
@@fictiontheorizer1991 it's the failure of those during peace, to allow evil to rise to the point war becomes inevitable.
@@fictiontheorizer1991 like Israel, they keep offering peace and only get war.
To be fair, "Peace" times is a Vague term . There will always be conflict so long as (publicly) everyone is unarmed, as the armed have easy pickings for themselves. The only way to Achieve true peace is True equality (in opportunity), Everyone having the right to defend and arm themselves (Including in the legal system with Lawyers) and Good Communities to live in...
@@fictiontheorizer1991 .the problem is that humans will justify anything in order to fight evil.
One of the themes of "Porco Rosso" is the guilt at being the last survivor of a war. The titular character was the only person in his WWI flying squad to survive, and for some reason is turned into a pig. In the last scene, it is left ambiguous if he's recovered/recovering.
His transformation into a pig is supposed to reflect his opposition to the fascist government in Italy (The Italian Fascists frequently called communists and communist sympathizers 'Red Pigs' or in Italian 'Porco Rosso'. It also represents the feelings of survivor's guilt, it's why Porco seems to transform back into a human when he dwells on the past.
@mr oko he always had hands… he flew the plane.
But still - "A pig that doesn't fly is just a pig".
"Your enemy is never a villain in his own eyes. Keep this in mind; it may offer a way to make him your friend. If not, you can kill him without hate - and quickly."
-Robert A. Heinlein, _The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress_
"Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and their freedoms."
-also Robert A. Heinlein, _Starship Troopers_
And also the boss from metal gear about there's never an eternal enemy only today's perspective
Yup, this is why I could never be a strict pacifist. It requires that everyone else plays by the same rules, or you end up getting knocked over by the guy who knows you can't or won't hit back. So it is ultimately necessary to be ready for violence for when it comes.
In other words, we need to learn to harness our inner monster and utilize it when appropriate. That monster got our species to where it is today, and that monster will be necessary when social support systems can't be there to help you.
@@piranhaplantX All it takes is a single belligerent to decide to not obey the rules, and just like that he's the only wolf in a pen full of sheep.
Far better that we all be wolves. The likelyhood of peace is greater that way.
@@piranhaplantX I would refrain from calling it a "monster".
Monsters are þings humans are ought to kill, and if everyone supposedly turns into a monster at times, þen we all must kill ourselves.
1. _"Your enemy is never a villain in his own eyes. Keep this in mind; it may offer a way to make him your friend. If not, you can kill him without hate - and quickly."_
I don't know the context, but you should not just murder those whose interest does not align with yours.
We don't have to be friends to co-exist, we may stay as enemies in our lifetime, but our children may one day become friends. It's never wise to start a blood feud willy-nilly.
2. _"Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor"_
*Wrong.*
I still remember in one of the older Call of Duty games, whenever you die you’d get a quote about war from some historical figure. One that always sticks out in my mind is (and I’m paraphrasing here), “War is enjoyable to those who have never experienced it” or something along those lines. I remember it so vividly because I immediately thought to myself that I’m currently enjoying a video game about making war fun… really made me wonder about what actually being on a battlefield would be like, and not just as some invincible game character
War is hell, the one of the worst things mankind can do murder ones brothers and sisters
the one quote i like is "only the dead have seen the end of the war. -Plato"
Yes! That's from Call of Duty 3: "War is sweet to those who have never experienced it." I don't remember the source of the quote.
"The only ones who want to go to war are the ones who have never been there before."
Cod WaW already taught me this. Depending on your actions in the Russian part of the campaign a certain character will have different opinions on you. Though like most horrible things that happened his words fade away into echoes. No matter what you do or how horrible you are in the end it’s gonna get covered up. This is probably one of the darker aspects of war. The forgotten stories, ones that don’t get to see the light of day because they will cause us to question whether or not our actions are justified. Things like the Laconia incident get forgotten because it makes the enemy less of an other. People like John Rabe aren’t talked about because they don’t fit the narrative of good vs evil. Every country is guilty of this. As a old Brit once said: “History is written by the victors. History is filled with liars.”
John Rabe was a good man. They really did the man injustice with the denazification. Guy died in poverty for the good he had done for the Chinese people during the massacre of Nanjing. If this is what good people go through doing good, there is little incentive to do good in this world.
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Comming from HACKdivision who does the opposite of what that call of duty taught.
@@abstraction6212 "The flag may be different, but the methods are the same."
I agree that war is, in all cases, more detrimental than peace. However, when the choice is between war and being dominated by an authoritarian and genocidal foreign government, I believe it is not only moral but imperative that those with the power to do so stand up against an attacker. Once it is determined that a war is necessary due to an outside threat the war must be fought in a way that reduces deaths of non-combative people.
That is why the Donbass fights.
That is why the Palestinian, Afghan, and others fight.
I agree with the premise regarding authoritarian regimes but feel that the more violent and horrible the war, the shorter the war will be. War is horrible. It can't be made less so by being gentle.
This reminds me of the Vietnam war, where a foreign power burned down half the forests, slaughtered tons of innocent villages, and gave the majority of the populace cancer for years to come with a little thing called agent orange.
@@MIDiver67 This exact mindset has been shown to be wrong time and time again. Take world war 2 for example. Germany thought that quickly killing tons of civilians in Britain and causing a "more violent and horrible" war, that the Brits would surrender quickly. Instead, the the populace was galvanized to fight back even harder, with no mercy. I could cite plenty of other examples too. The more violent and bloody you try to make a war, the more it galvanizes the opposition against you.
Finally an episode with Princess Mononoke. My favorite anime movie of all time. I've watched it dozens of times since childhood. The story, the meaning, the visuals, the music, everything is great.
Miyazaki's films are definitely worth watching over and over to understand them better. I didn't pick up on these themes until my teenage years. They're really beautiful movies for any age. Highly recommend.
I can't stand Howl's Moving Castle. Then again, I have read the book and they are similar in the same way the Starship Troopers film and book are.
The characters might share the same names, and some basic traits, but that is around it.
@@cp1cupcake only way to enjoy both is to treat both as different stories, might be hard for you, but its surely worth
Strong people create peace, weak people make war.
Peace is best accomplished through strength (deterrence). We can stop war before it starts. It's seemingly ironic that weak leaders are often a catalyst for conflict, including morally and spiritually weak leaders.
Said the nations that started WW I.
@@billmiller4972 Because no one had an clear advantage or the ability to wipe out cities in an instant. The US has been able to prevent entire wars because of a clear an overwhelming military advantage in conventional warfare and of course the nuclear option. If the US is expected to intervene it prevents war completely. It's why the Arab nations haven't tried invading Israel again with conventional armies, it's why North Korea and the PRC have not invaded South Korea, and its why the PRC hasn't invaded Taiwan.
@@kingjonstarkgeryan8573 Wipe out cities in an instant? You mean with atomic bombs? So every nation should have those?
"The US has been able to prevent entire wars because of a clear an overwhelming military advantage in conventional warfare" which lead to the USA invading other countries just because they were able to do so with impunity. In the last decades with a less than brilliant success rate.
And a horrible civilian fatality rate.
@@billmiller4972 No I'm just saying nuclear weapons have been great at preventing large scale conventional conflicts between world powers.
So long as humans are left the rule themselves and live in this imperfect system of things there will always be conflict even if it's just small-scale brushfire Wars
As much as I like Miyazaki and his anti-war views, I must state that conflict is inevitable as long as people are "sinful." Envy, hate, wrath and xenophobia can fan the flames of wars into a giant crucible where human lives are burned to fuel the continued horrors of war. If people could just respect one another no matter their views, blood or relation, conflict might be avoided. But since we mistrust one another, blame others for our troubles of our own making, we need an out and war is the answer.
Respect is a privilege, not a right.
Some things just have to be earned.
@@ShermanistDruid that I have to agree with. However, what I mean about respect is being able to hear something and not go apeshit over the difference of opinion. Words are a concept until they are put into action. As long as they stay as concepts, they are harmless. Again, I do agree that respect is earned, especially since I saw how respect given to people who haven't earned it tend to mess stuff up.
Don't forget Greed. And nowadays necessity.
One of the reasons Russia invaded was to turn on the water flow into Crimea after it was Cutoff Post Russian Annexation.
Another is the rich Resources in Ukraine like a newly discovered gas field.
@@abelcheng2073 Welp, that's just how human nature goes, either they're ignorant or corrupt. The thing is mankind was and will always be self-interested by nature. And those interest goes either high or low depending on each respective situation,.Every minute passes on this world is a natural resources that are being consumed and once those resources became scarce, even the most noblest country can resort to trickery and deciet. The fault lies on the current state of the world, if mankind one day abandon all their identity as nationalistic beings, their won't be anymore war on this world. The only solution is to build a one-big homogenous nation that only law is consist of being a good human, nothing else. Maybe after World War 3, that could happen.
Miyazaki thinks this too. Video is just too simplistic
Miyazaki is definitely an environmentalist and if I recall is a commie (or at least is a communist sympathizer) and you can tell this in his works. Despite this he’s not preachy about his works and weaves in themes naturally making his environmental messages a lot more sympathetic than western movie makers do with their environmental messages. They are great movies and I definitely recommend them.
Miyazaki is an artist, which is one of those career paths which could be seen as "non-Essential". Of course he would have much different Worldviews than say, a farmer. There is nothing wrong with his work, but I get the feeling so many people start thinking in a detached sence of reality due to not Going by in the real world as the mayority of the population. I don't know much about Miyazaki's life, but I do know most artist seem to not have the grasp of how most physical labor feels.
@@ChillstoneBlakeBlast This comment feels like it’s trying make it seem like communism is a lazy persons ideology. But communism is generally an ideology of workers. Farmers, laborers, machinists, etc. why do you think the symbol is a hammer and sickle and not a paintbrush and pencil?
@@jcboyle82 It's an Ideology for the Misinformed, which Hard Workers being an Easy target. Communist believe that The Authoritative power knows best but in reality, They don't and never have, Probably never will.
@@ChillstoneBlakeBlast ok so if you have a better understanding of what communism is, can you explain it to me? I’m not a communist, btw, I just know what it is. And you seem to as well. So tell me.
@@jcboyle82 Communism is The Ideology of an Authoritative government to manage the entire country by taking over all of the country's resources: From Land, Food, Materials, Etc. The idea is to distribute the Resources equally, so that Everyone gets the piece.
The reality is very grim however. The Authoritative government usually becomes corrupt and starts hoarding the resources/Luxurious goods for themselves. The Citizens get nothing because they have no Resources and the Government is simply lying saying "There is no food" because they stockpiled it for themselves. The people cannot arm themselves to take back what should be theirs because the Government Has it all, so it is hard for the people to revolt. If people are found out to be hoarding supplies, they are usually "Punished" because it goes against the states' Ideals. Propaganda is heavily promoted in a communist society in order to keep people's mind in check that They have no power and that the Government has all of it. This is how you end up Wiping out populations, just like Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong did.
18:16, it’s 2022. 2022 - 70 = 1952. All right then. South Korea isn’t ruled by North Korea, that’s an accomplishment. Saddam Hussein failed to conquer Kuwait. Also an accomplishment. And this is a bit of an arbitrary time frame since the Allies waging war against the Nazis for example ended the Holocaust. The American Civil War freed the slaves. So, war is violent and ugly and destructive and often easily empowers evil. But sometimes it is both necessary and justified.
The American Civil War only freed the slaves as an unintended consequence. Lincoln invaded the CSA to keep the nation together, nothing more. Emancipation was never a goal, only a tool. I'm glad it's a tool he employed, but let's not kis ourselves.
@@1krani The Republican Party was founded as an anti-slavery party. And Abraham Lincoln responded to Stephen Douglas saying “I don’t dispute Mr. Lincoln’s claim that the Negro is his equal but I do contest his claim that the Negro is my equal” by emphasizing that “the Negro is my equal and the equal of Judge Douglas. And when Stephen Douglas said that he loved democracy so much that he didn’t care if individual states chose to allow slavery, Lincoln ridiculed the position with the phrase “if any one man were to enslave another, no third man should object” and Lincoln promised to repeal the Fugitive Slave Act. And he emphasized that his difference with the abolitionists was that he wanted slavery abolished within a Constitutional framework. When the Southern States seceded, while Lincoln was still on the train to Washington to be sworn in, each one explicitly named protection of the institution of slavery as a major reason for so doing. Which was why Lincoln eventually offered to live with slavery in exchange for the reintegration of the South into the Union but the South turned him down. And even before the Civil War, Lincoln had said that if anything is wrong it’s slavery and that no one could be argued into subjecting himself to slavery. So the Emancipation Act was a military measure. But it was also something that Lincoln supported already.
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I know. Just because slavery was a cause for the war does not make emancipation a cause, too.
@@1krani Maybe so. But the point that I was making was that the underlying claim of this video that the net benefits of war cannot outweigh the net detriments is untrue
The Soldier's job is to be a monster so someone else they care about doesn't have to be. But yes, this particular war is especially stupid.
my parents leanred about that when they were deployed in Desert Storm
When did you serve?
@@g00gleisgayerthanaids56 I've had some in my family but I haven't myself. I'm too close the the egghead archetype to think getting brained by a bullet is the best use of my life. Soldiering is for those who could honestly think to themselves 'yeah, I don't have anything else I'm better at, so getting shot at for a career is an acceptable risk.'
However, the idea of having to sacrificing your sanity, even if not your life, for your family is still a basic concept though if you aren't a moronic normie, an idiot blinded by war propaganda or a vapid cunt that couldn't think beyond themselves in the first place.
I don't really think this applies to America's military though. We're protected by two oceans and two sorta-allies, and are a huge country besides with an excellent gun-to-citizen ratio. 'Protecting the family' isn't really ever going to be the true reason to join for fight Enemies Without unless you're an idiot or dishonest [to yourself]. That sort of reason won't ever be relevant so long as you don't live in a city that'd probably be a nuke target.
Also, I'm a fucking weeb and so the concept of 'becoming a monster for someone else' has shown up at least a few times in the anime I've watched, enough to notice it and really think about what it means.
The Soldiers Job is to still acknowledge Human Rights and Morale.
Raping 10yo children and impregnating them, denies the Russians EVERY right to be called "Human".
120.000 Children still missing, probably deported into a vile facility in Russia to be sold off and indoctrinated with their Propaganda.
The "Soldiers" chose to act that way.
@@gehtdichnichtsan2418 There's a difference between being a monster to fulfill a goal, and being a monster to be a monster. Something like the Raping of Berlin didn't accomplsh a military or political goal.
All the children that grew up from single moms raped by Russians will only have hatred for Russia because it was Germany's side that controlled the propaganda that made it to those kids, even if the whole raping part wasn't in play to color things.
When you take over a country via literally raping it, you gotta either take the mothers back to your country and seperate from or kill the mother before the child is sapient enough to absorb any ideals, or annex it for at least a generation and control the propaganda with a puppet government.
Thank you for this video.
I've been feeling lost and overwhelmed by current events and the last decades worth of wars. I've never lived in a time of true peace. It's... gutting. There's no other word for it.
Miyazaki is one of my favorite filmmakers, but it's been a while since I've watched any Ghibli movies. Your video reminded me to seek out things I love, and take strength and courage from the widsom and determination of good people. Thank you, again.
Going to go rewatch Princess Mononoke now.
I was talking to my mom about this, and she pointed out that while everybody understands to some degree or another that was is bad, few understand WHY it's bad. There's hate, yeah, and destruction of property and life of course, but the fundamental reason war is waged is for control -- particularly government control. Control over land, over resources, over people, etc. Garnering an emotional response from people is a big part of it -- weather it be against a person, a nation, a race, or even something non-human like drugs or disease -- if people singlemindedly view something as a threat, it makes them far easier to control. So the reason a libertarian like me or my mother is against war is not necessarily because of those bleeding heart things like destruction and loss of life -- that's just icing on the cake -- but because that's a major way government grows and oppresses and takes liberties, nationally or internationally.
I mean it's true and in this case the current regime is definitely doing that.
It doesn't change the fact that Ukrainians have a right to self defense though.
@@fictiontheorizer1991 Or the fear mongering with covid for the past two years. And it's consequences is manifesting as global shortages and broken people in society right now, hell even before then.
This is a painfully one-sided and broad way to view things. Most wars nowadays are waged by non-state actors as a primary participant and aggressor.
@@thealliedpowers came to say the same, this is a hyper one sided and suicidally naive way to view things. Its a widely popular idea with this channel and its audience, but majority doesn't necessarily guarantee correctness or accuracy
I strongly disagree with the ideologically motivated notion governments are the only possible source evil and problems in the planet. I don't like when people do mental gymnastics for the sake of knee jerk government blaming. It is the most powerful and useful shield non-state actors have been enjoying for decades, as it lets them get away scott free with so much bs but little to no oversight
Ah, talking about The Wind Rises, my favorite animated movie of all time.
Instant like just for that alone.
I think that until people reject the idea, "I can gain from the suffering of others," the ugliness of war and all lesser evils will continue.
17:08, if two people attack one person and the one person kills the two to save himself that’s not a loss at all. Libertarians, for fairly legitimate reason, tend to refuse to let governments off the hook for things that they would begrudge individuals for. Except an individual killing another person in self-defence or in defence of others is not something which anyone can legitimately begrudge yet in this one instance do libertarians sacrifice the intellectual consistency of insisting that that the State be held to the same standard as the citizen.
True. A war in self defence is always moral, otherwise your nation condemns its people to death.
Sitting out a fight when you could save lives isn't noble, it's arrogant.
@@Shoxic666 Exactly
@@ribos2762 True. But zero innocent lives are lost instead of one. So forgive me if I shed no tears for that
@@ribos2762 No. If the person who is attacked doesn’t fight the person who is attacked dies while his two assailants get away scot free which is the worst possible outcome
@@ribos2762 That’s true. It’s also true that in 1994, Ukraine could have refused to relinquish its nuclear arsenal and thus maintained a deterrent against Russia. And it’s also true that if Vladimir Putin hadn’t annexed Crimea in 2014, President Zelensky may not have felt compelled to seek NATO membership. And surrendering doesn’t always save everyone. This isn’t the same thing and I’m not claiming that it is but Austria voted in favour of its annexation by Germany while the Sudetenland and Czechoslovakia surrendered to Hitler without firing a single shot. So there are definitely situations wherein surrendering itself loses tremendous amounts of human life.
The beautiful thing about Princess Mononoke is that when you are a kid you side with San and the forest creatures, but as you get older you become much more sympathetic to Lady Eboshi and her people. The unfortunate reality is that humanity will never stop fighting as we live in a world of finite resources.
Like Osa said ‘life is suffering, the world is cursed but still you find reasons to keep living.’
It's kind of like Morgan Freeman's line in "Seven":
" Ernest Hemingway once wrote, "The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part."
I wise man once told me - "hope for peace prepare for war". I will always perfer peace over the alternative. Sadly the world is a rather complex issue and I think Hayao Miyazaki's films show beautifully.
That quote is ~1500 years old.
Si vis pacem para bellum
War is monstrous, but it doesn't necessarily make anyone a monster.
my dad who served in Desert storm would agree with you
@@bludeuce3855 My dad probably would too, he was in Iraq.
@@theproceedings4050 my dad did see some action in desert storm even took out 12 Iraqi soldiers and did experience some near death encounters but returned home with his limbs still attached and with a medal
@@bludeuce3855 We're both fortunate then, and thank God for that.
Hayao Miyazaki was a creator that understood respect for the point of a discussion on a topic, not arguing who is right.
Don't forget Yoshiyuki Tomino(The Creator of the Mobile Suit Gundam) since he's right as well about war.
Check out Judge Holden's speech on war. You won't find a more truer take on war than that man's gospel.
I cannot watch The Wind Rises without crying. Hell, even you talking about it brought a lot of melancholy feelings to the surface.
Me too.
War is necessary in the defence of your interests. Those that are unwilling to go to war will inevitably be subjugated by those that are willing.
Total pacifism is delusion. Self-defence is no crime.
yes. this guy gets it.
Neutrality is the most realistic approach to pacifism. It means being ready for war against allies and enemies while remaining neutral towards any conflict.
Based unironically
As long as life exists, the possibility of war/violence/use of force in general is a thing and it's better to be ready for it than not.
The one who's not ready and willing to use force when necessary, better be ready to be a victim of violence.
That applies to defensive wars only. Defence of your interest is never a valid excuse to invade, destroy and murder people.
"War, war never changes" - Fallout & Joshua Graham once said "killing is bad for the soul"
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You know trade and cultural integration didn't exactly help China with its hostile regime being more "friendly" with the West, infact creating a dangerous enemy threatening our very way of life.
That's only because China has a regime for whom the very concept of private property, and therefore trade, is abhorrent. No amount of goodies will ever convince the ideologues like Chairman Xi that the West is anything but a foe to be ground down and destroyed.
China’s communist regime never would have even come about it if wasn’t for outside invasion. The British and Europeans colonizers weakened China. The Chinese republic that came after splintered because of the Japanese invasion and then the CCP and nationalists fought a bloody civil war as proxy’s of the United States and the Soviet Union. None of that would have happened if it wasn’t for outside invasion.
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Learn your history before you start going on about the evil colonizers. China wasn't weak because colonizers were taking loot. It was weak in the early 1900s because too many of its own top brass wanted to be the next Emperor. First there was the Republic, then Yuan Shikai basically staged a coup and took over, then he died, then the Qing came back briefly, then the Chinese army split into regional warbands and started fighting each other. All of that was in the span of about 4 years.
Crow about the Europeans all you like, the fact remains that what destabilized the Republic was Yuan Shikai's coup and his assassination of the Republic's elected leader, not the West's shrinking spheres of imperial influence.
China is an exception for some reason.
It worked quite well in japan, south korea, germany, turkey and eu.
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Because China ideologically hates America's guts. They're communist. That means they're morally obliged (you know, if we pretend commies have morals they wouldn't compromise in a heartbeat) to hate capitalism, and America's been the poster child for capitalism since immigrants starting rushing to come here.
You can't culturally integrate with China because their communist culture is completely incompatible with our own, by their own choice. The only option is to squeeze their commie regime until it collapses.
I feel like the Wind Rises is so underrated. It was released later than a lot of the more famous Ghibli movies so it doesn't get the attention that Spirited Away or Castle in the Sky get.
My favorite movie from him.
Your best video yet. Had tears in my eyes at the end. Thanks for all you do, Sean.
Maybe this is just me, but as a teenager and a young man, who knew of the Japanese war crimes across the pacific and East Asia, I could never take Miyazaki or other Japanese anti-war filmmakers seriously. The Imperial Japanese government and military were perhaps the greatest force of evil and cruelty the world has ever seen. Even the Nazis were horrified by what the Imperial Japanese army did in China. Mass rape, competitions to see who could decapitate the most people in an hour, using civilians for bayonet practice, throwing babies into the air to be impaled on bayonets or shot like they were clay pigeons, and countless more war crimes and crimes against humanity. For a mere 50 people killed and the Imperial palace being damaged in the Doolittle Raid, the Japanese killed a quarter of a million Chinese in retaliation.
War can be quite easily justified as there are truly evil people in the world, particularly those in power. But the lesson everyone should keep in their hearts is that while the cause may be noble, war is still a terrible thing even if waging it, is the right thing to do.
in every faction in war, they do all horrible things. miyazaki is civilian, not a goverment
@@user-lr6hw4dq4t but it was his father, uncles, cousins, and brothers who took part in the war and inflicted those crimes. To this day the Japanese people refuse to admit to the countless War crime that was committed by their grandfathers and great-grandfathers
@@kingjonstarkgeryan8573 Let's say the whole history of europe as bloody as japan. But only a few country who admitted warcrimes. The only way to put these criminals by trial is like occupying german and do nuremberg-like trial
@@user-lr6hw4dq4t there is no historical evidence of Europeans using babies a skeet shooting practice or using living people for bayonet practice let alone competitions on how many people could be decapitated or raped in an hour. European Wars like a Thirty Years War in the Hundred Years War were extremely bloody and brutal put the Imperial Japanese Army took it to a whole other level.
@@kingjonstarkgeryan8573 are you sure you ain't took account on colonial occupation? Slavery? Trafficking? Native genocide?My point is: Miyazaki , and some japanese author (like Hajime Isayama) just expressing anti war messages, but people just do "whataboutism" cuz they're being "japanese" and not admitting their country past crimes? I think they dont have to, bcs they're not representing japan govt. My country also occupied by japan in WW2, they raped and killed many, but asian just have different way of thinking than european : just get along with history , forgive but never forget.
I'm very thankful for your accurate, thoughtful choice of words, for your attention to write the subtitles.
This video might be an award for Miyazaki, as his non-polar works were viewed from different angles, in various contexts.
PERFECT timing. Just saw the clip of Biden joking about starting a war at the Trade Union conference. Audience loved it.
I'm reminded of the saying, "Those who seek peace, prepare for war." Peace is a lovely concept and ideal but that's all it'll ever truly be, an ideal. In a world of over 7 Billion people with countless different cultures, religions, ideals and beliefs, War is something that will always happen at some point in time, in those instance you should not focus on stop war but ending it as soon as possible you might not save everyone, but you'll atleast ensure far less people die.
In a sense war is like an open wound, you can't stop the blood from leaking out but if you're fast enough you can minimize the damage and ensure the limb/body survives.
It's okay, the people with all the money are doing their darndest to homogenize and overwrite all of those diverse ideals and beliefs into something more profitable to them in the long term. soon only wars against those who attempt to escape their System will be permitted.
Reading the history of the country I live in shows something kinda crazy. The biggest thing to reduce our military conflicts was a war where both sides declared victory.
As a combat veteran, all I can say is I disagree with anti war sentiment and ideas strongly. But there’s not enough space in the comments to explain.
Except to say, those who will not go to war to defend the innocent and the helpless, invite endless atrocities and bring rise to such evil that war is civilized by comparison.
American combat vets have helped bring down all our nations, kill civilians and end liberty and prosperity. Well played.
Defending yourself is different from aggressive though. For example, in Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind, another Miyazaki, the people have to fight against an invading force to defend themselves and protect their way of life. They end up being successful, even though they lose a lot in the conflict. Miyazaki isn’t saying that you should avoid conflict at all costs, he’s just saying that you shouldn’t aggress to begin with. If you must protect yourself, then do so, but don’t go starting unnecessary conflicts. I fully agree with that. At any given moment, I’m armed in public. Will I attack someone? No. Will I defend myself if I’m attacked? Yes. Don’t let the government fool you with a bleeding heart story into going and destroying another country.
I’m not anti-military or anything either, all of my best friends are veterans along with many of my family members.
But the people who go to the war are the ones who endanger the innocent and the helpless. They're the ones perpetrating the endless atrocities.
@@jesusstaccato8448 Yep, take nato. Born out of the need to defend against USSR and the warsaw pact
USSR and Warsaw pact gone for a generation
Actively engaged in aggressive wars, bombing defenseless nations and killing civilians
Aided a military violent coup in Ukraine, turned Ukraine against Russia as a forward operating base
Got caught red handed prepping to escalate the now 8 year old war
Plays the victim while arming Ukraine leading to more deaths.
Grows natos borders adding more nations.
How many young impressionable men believe the lies about joining a nato army?
It's a world of grey things. All soldiers are forced to fight in order to defend what they protect but in doing so causes another's harm in a way they don't intended. Soldiers kills soldiers and those soldiers happened to defend what they hold dear. It's the government at fault here for using them
While I enjoyed this video, and enjoy Miyazaki (or, his films), I can't help but see a conflation of war, aggression, and, defense in the points made. If Miyazaki's idea of pacifism is tantamount to "don't resist against aggressors", I will pass. Sometimes, fighting the aggressor is far less destructive than simply letting the aggressor have their way. And, that truth in no way makes warfare any less "bad".
He doesn't advocate full on pacifism, judging by e.g. Nausicaa. The people of the titular Valley of the Wind fight foreign invasion and in the end manage to eject the invaders and make a sort of peace with them.
He does oppose militarism, though.
War is at best a necessary evil. We send out our young men in hopes that it wont destroy the lives of everyone else. They deserve our respect for that.
Do not confuse war for battle. Battles can be a necessary evil. Not all cultures are equal and sometimes groups of people are incensed into violence, for whatever reason. Battles and fights happen simply because violence itself is part of nature.
But wars only happen because self-centered, entitled people regard human lives as simply another resource to expend getting what they want. Said people are not always the ones to declare it, they are never the ones to fight it, but they are ALWAYS pushing for it.
@@1krani Wars do not happened because self-centered, entitled people regard human lives as simply another resource to expend getting what they want.
Wars only happen because the defender decides to fight rather than capitulate.
Much of the abolition of slavery internationally has been under direct threat of military action, specifically the West Africa Squadron, where the British Empire, and some other countries, decided that human life was worth spending to fight slavery.
The primary reason that it was so effective was because nobody was willing to start a war against the Royal Navy over it.
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...Capitulate to whom, exactly? How are you supposed to capitulate without an aggressor?
And what exactly characterizes the aggressor in a war, if not the kind of man I just described?
17:01, Hitler wanted to kill all the Jews of Continental Europe. And while early on the countries he attacked surrendered without firing a shot rather than go to war, after he invaded Poland that changed. So the alternative to willingness to wage war would be the Jews of Continental Europe (at least the Western part of it) all dead. Which I would consider much more of a loss than waging war against Hitler. So yes, the war was a net gain. (I know you’re talking about at an economic level but that’s not what I am talking about.)
You're missing the point. He never said that war is never necessary or justified, only that it is always terrible.
Even in World War Two, arguably the last great conflict of good and evil, the "good guys" found themselves committing acts of unspeakable wrong. The American Internment camps, the firebombings of Dresden and Tokyo, the Artillery Assault on Manilla, and, yes, the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were all horrific acts, and, whether they were horrific but necessary at the time, or merely crimes against humanity, they remain horrific acts.
That's the point of the episode. It's not that "only monsters go to war," but that war, itself, _creates_ monsters.
@@CasualNotice For the record, Sean Malone began this video by saying that he wasn’t convinced that war was ever truly justified and the specific point at which I posted my comment was responding to something he said about war never being a net benefit.
@@matityaloran9157 Fair enough.
@@matityaloran9157 actually war do have a net benefit you are currently enjoying the benefits of the highly advanced technology that was developed during these wars
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl You should be taking that up with Sean Malone, not me. I wasn’t talking about the economic benefits of war. He was
Honestly, what I get from all our failed wars, like Vietnam and Iraq. Is that if we’re not willing to eliminate the threat completely, there’s no reason to even start the war. It’s a cultural issue and we can’t defeat that, without wiping the slate clean.
I believe Carl von Clausewitz has it best, war is merely an extension of politics and diplomacy at its most basic level. At the end of the the day, all wars end where they should have stayed, with people sitting down to talk.
The only problem is how much it takes to get someone to sit down. And even if you get to talk, what are the odds they are going to agree to any of your terms? The most dangerous militaries and parties in the world were often headed by people who could not be bargained with, at least least not for long.
@@channingcheese2 I lost count how many times I've asked someone what evidence, no matter how remotely possible to obtain, would change their minds and they answered me, "none".
@@channingcheese2 What the OP forgets here is that at the end of the war when people sit down to talk generally one of them isn't so much talking as being talked to, because they lost and have zero say in anything.
How come i don't gey notified anymore, when you upload?
Behind every single Japanese anti-war film is a quiet seething that Japan lost the big one.
"These violent delights have violent ends."
-Westworld
The strength of a civilization is not it's ability to fight wars but their ability to prevent them.
~Gene Roddenberry
Taken from this point of view, one of the most ghastly aspects of the design of the Mitsubishi Zero, the thing that made it so agile and dominant in dogfights, was the fact that it devoted practically no weight to armor or other safety measures for the pilot.
This has been seen as an expression of the Japanese self-sacrificing warrior ethos.
All things considered, I'm not very sure that is an accurate expression at all. If you compare them to the Wildcats, you can see very different design philosophies having gone into both of them.
Relatively speaking, the Wildcat was a flying brick, and until countermeasures were developed and outside of flukes, the closest a Wildcat could come to beating a Zero was hoping the Zero used all of its ammunition and had to return to its carrier before the Wildcat was shot down.
Gundam SEED and SEED Destiny both have a similar moral: war is bad no matter what but we individuals should be able to defend ourselves and live how they want to be. The ORB Union is practically kind of a libertarian-right city state in the same vein as Singapore and Lichtenstein and they are mostly portrayed in a positive light. And the Terminal, the Clyne Faction, and the Three Ships Alliance themselves are all non governmental organizations dedicated to pacifism, freedom, justice, and self defense. That's why they only disable mobile suits instead of destroying them. They just want to spare as any lives as possible.
War is destructive, but it isn’t always evil.
Nobody wins a war. One side might lose a little less than the other, but everybody loses. Especially the ordinary, everyday people.
It’s Important to learn how to fight not against other people, but against the very nature of conflict.
WAR didn't make un into monster.
It reveal what we CAN always do.
It's peace that makes us different.
War doesn't make us monsters, it only reveals the monsters we are.
Wrong
@@ZontarDow Right.
I respect and embrace pacifism as much as anyone. But the reality of it all is is that there will always be war due to human nature’s thirst for power and control over others as well as greed. These kinds of things are at the very forefront as to why wars keep happening.
From what I understand, with Mononoke - he didn't even dismiss the *benefits* of technology. The people of Iron Town are well-fed, the industrial economy creates opportunities for women that are non-existent in neighboring towns, and their wars are seen by their leader as the simplest and fastest way to alter the dictorial governments of nearby areas.
I love Miyazaki. All of his movies are absolute gems! There’s a lot of wisdom there. Grave of the Fireflies absolutely kills my soul every time I watch it, and Princess Mononoke has a lot to say on the subject. Not to mention The Wind Rises, I love that it shows a man who is passionate about something, but he can only work in that industry by making instruments of war. I freaking love all of his movies! Watch them all, there isn’t a bad one among them!
Another work of art about works of art. Thank you FEE and Out of Frame.
Always excited to watch your videos.
18:36, so you oppose the Second Amendment then? Since it’s based on the idea that you can legitimately use lethal violence to defend yourself from the government should it turn against you. That sounds a lot like saying that fighting is in some instances justified.
This was absolutely beautiful, well done
I'm sympathetic toward your and Miyazaki's view, but we must also remember that us human are opportunist creatures. Should you think it's easier for you to just take what you desire by force, you might be tempted to do so.
Moreover, there's this another side of conflict/war that always appealing to us. We are craving this sensation of being on top, dominating others thru show of strength.. being "superior" bring "glory" and confidence to us.
In short, IMO war does *NOT* makes us monsters. We *ARE* "monsters", and war is simply a manifestation of our true nature.
We are capable of being benevolent and merciful, but we are also capable of being selfish, vengeful, and cruel.
Therefore peace thru strength. If you desire peace, you must be prepared for war.
100% Agree
We are not monsters. We are thinking individuals with a choice. Violence is a choice.
It's not on our "nature". The very society we live in on is built upon the concept of cooperation and mutual benefits.
Acting out on violent impulses might very well be a psychological disorder.
@@cosmefulanito5052 Our society is not "built on concept of cooperation and mutual benefit" out of altruism, but out of *selfishness.*
Under normal circumstances it is simply better and more beneficial for us to cooperate, therefore we cooperate. But should cooperation is no longer the best course of action, we will stop pursuing it. Case and point: riots, revolutions, pogroms, etc.
We glorify war, heroism, and personal sacrifice. The Russians build a giant statue to commemorate their victory in the World War, the Mongolians build grand statue of cruel conqueror Genghis Khan, etc.
There's no denying it. We are "monster", acting on violent impulse is part of our nature. Otherwise violence in TV, comic book, and video game wouldn't sell. Boxing, wrestling, karate, etc would not have exist. Nobody would ever want to learn martial arts or watch violent sports.
I won't shy away from it. *I fully embrace the ugly and violent nature of humanity.*
Thats also the point of starship troopers and attack on titans..war makes monsters of us
Dude you're becoming one of my favorite channels fast
I note you left out ww2 on your war analysis.
I love Miyazaki, but at the end of day 'war bad' isnt an adequate hypothisis when someone wants to do things to your people. I'm not saying its good- but I am saying occasionally the alternative is much worse. People will choose destruction over oblivion. And while, yes, recent wars may not have been so humanitarian in their vision, other wars were. Sometimes if you dont stop someone they dont stop themselves. Sometimes senseless destruction is *going* to happen and your only choice is how much it effects your people.
Are we at that point? On that I'm not so sure. I sure hope not. I dont *like* war, I dont think it should be pursued unnessisarily, and I dont think we need to be world cops (usa, I mean) because... well. Who are we to do that? But I do think its a mistake, to pretend the military is always the bad guy. In ww2, they saved a lot of lives. Military action, I belive, was what ended Japanese atrocities in China, for instance as well as more famous examples. And acting like that didnt happen is in no one's service.
Now, was that the intent of military action in that war? No. At least not at first. By all accounts, much of ww2 started with the intent of 'hurt the people who hurt us' but they still saved lives.
Nausica of the Valley of the Wind is a particularly interesting entry in the Ghibli library because its message is almoast the polar opposite of the book its supposedly based on. In the end, the book version of Nausicaa decides to comit what can only be described as an atrocity in the hope of protecting her people. Its not a very happy ending, and I understand why Ghibli cut off the story at the point where a different lesson could be learned. That said, Ghibli is, or should be, well known for what it does to source material. At the same time, until some alternative is available, is being a monster what enables others to survive in peace?
I dont know. I just dont pretend that fighting is never needful. And, in suggesting it shouldnt be done and providing no alternatives, I find your words here distasteful. Say perhaps "we should not get involved in overseas wars that dont involve us" if that is what you mean. I could get behind that. Or "war for purposes of economic growth or aquisition of resources is very bad" I could understand and back up.That would have a very solid point. How about "every ecanomic and social tool to avoid human death should be used before starting any conflict"? That seems ethically sound. But just 'war bad'? Historically, war is how you protect your people from monsters. Sometimes its the only tool to that end that works.
I generally expect something a bit more solid from you.
you're confusing war with self defense. war is always bad, because it is started by an aggressor. you - as a defender/the one attacked - participate in war to defend yourself. but war is always bad, because it had to be started by someone.
The meek shall inherit the earth.
It always takes two to tango; that is; one party wasn't "talking softly and carrying a big stick".
@@cole8834 biblically meek and a doormat are two different things, and if you are saying that it 'takes two to tango' and saying that one person is the agressor in one sentance then I'd like to invite you to write out your thoughts more clearly, as I'm unsure what point you are making this time.
@@DanteTheSimpSlayer and if the war is started by people who were getting choked by someone stronger? Look, I'm not sayong "all war is good, paint the walls with blood" here. I'm saying that acting like no war is just is a recipe for both disaster and worse, cruelty to people who protect those of us secure enough to argue with content creators (me. I argue with content creators. I enjoy a lot of safety, and I'm grateful)
If we agree that war is not trivial and should not be started on trivial grounds, then great, we agree on most of what we think.
But I dont think that pretending we're never going to have a good cause to fight is smart, or kind. Not to me, not to you. And certainly not to whoever they draft when the next one kicks off. War alone does not make monsters. Some wars are just. Not all. Not most. But some.
@@bookwyrmofthenorth a good cause to fight is if you are getting attacked. Choked? What does that even mean? You're either attacked or you're not.
Although a pacifist and humanist, history teaches that pacifism will never be achieved and actually contributes to the war efford of the aggressors.
I'm anti-war and a big supporter of Neutrality. Being neutral doesn't mean being a pacifist, being neutral means expecting everyone to be an aggressor and preparing gor potential conflicts with everyone in defensive wars.
Yep! :D
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Objectively false, history teach us that pacificm as achieved many times and make greatest conquers and never contribute the effort to aggressor. If you prepare to war you make the conflict inevitable, because the aggressor prepare itself more powerful and begins an escalation.
@@cp1cupcake that's the true naive and pure fantasy utopistic and create causes for wars.
It's all very good... ON THE OTHER HAND: “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing”
Truth is always the first casualty of war.
Love that you work clean, I made my children watch this with me. : )
Nice choice of using "Don't Look Up" as the footage you use when talking about how filmmakers could take a lesson in humility.
Competition is a watered down version of war. If you say war is bad, then you must also believe competition is bad.
This was a great video! Thank you for always doing such a great job on your channel.
Miyazaki definitely formed my teen and early adulthood views on war and pacifism. Oddly enough it took going to actual war to break. I've seen that it is in all of us to become monsters without war and war is the only True answer to a monster. Yes, many will lie to you that this person/ people is/ are monster/s but that doesn't change the very true fact that humans are capable of becoming monster all their own. And for very little reason really. Self preservation is a human right. Miyazaki's thoughts that love would cure or that war is the source of these once human monster is as you've stated one drenched in the environment that would create those monsters blinding him to the fact that even if you could remove violence and war from humanity you'd still have monsters just no way of ever stopping them. You focus on the cost of wars but fail to understand that many of our modern wars aren't fought to deal with these monsters but support them. This I do object to but sadly many including yourself have demoralized any whom even have the faintest desire of striking the true beast for you make it distasteful. Choosing pacifism isn't choosing its forcing someone else to carry that burden for you. The world lacks in any real responsibility. To say war isn't likely to be justifiable because unjust wars happen is liken to saying that all tade is theft because some are scams. Small-minded and short-term assurance is all you get from it.
I wish I could return to the blissful ignorance you boldly hold.
The same pastoralism is throughout Tolkien's work. Maybe this is why both authors resonate so much with me.
Princess Mononoke is probably one the best films not just anime I have ever seen. It touched me deeply when i watched it as a kid and I still go back and rewatch it on a regular basis.
Here is where I stand on the ideology of being "anti-war"; it takes an extremely arrogant and condescending person to proclaim one's self with such an ideology. I can guarantee more than 90% of humanity holds war with an immense amount of disdain. I find this kind of proclamation to neither be wise nor inspiring. Preaching to the choir is not wisdom, it's arrogance and is just meant to inflate one's own sense of self importance by gaining the adoration of people that already agree with you.
Subscribed, people think that soldiers are warmongering but that isn't the case most wish nothing more than peace to remain. The anime mentioned as a fan of it has shown that nature is beautiful and needs to be protected, and that we all are demons and if nothing was stopping us who knows what we do.
18:20, true. But North Korea failed to conquer South Korea. Which is still not a Communist country.
You say a good cause justifies any war, but I say a good war justifies any cause
Excelent video and reflections. I really recommend reading the manga of Nausicaa, in which Miyazaki develope this themes in a much deeper and complex way. Without a doubt one of the best stuff ever put into paper.
Great video, and a very timely one at that. Keep it up!
The greatest value is lost in the darkest places. Your videos are always astounding.
Thank you for your observations and conclusions, a bonus along with the film analysis.
Would be great to see your take on Attack on Titan. Its depiction of War is the most brutal I have ever come across in anime.
As an engineer, the one thing I do appreciate that comes from war is the innovation of technology that was otherwise never going to happen. War brings out a need for things to be designed for far greater stresses that would have otherwise never been considered or the need to accomplish a task that would have never existed as human ingenuity is pitted directly against itself. We can innovate without the loss, but it is inevitably much slower.
Truly appreciated this video essay
Thank you 🙏
Guess what...evil exists!! There's NEVER a Utopia when humans are involved.
Last night I went to go see princess mononoke in theaters for it's 25th anniversary and this seemingly at random pops in my subscription feed...
Weird.
Absolutely amazing video my friend! I appreciate your intellectual honesty!
We were already monsters before war :)
Everything has a cost. "Equivalent Exchange" from FMA (Full Metal Alchemist) is true. Many think they know what the "cost" is, but the real cost is often not known and often much more than what we think it costs.
War is a monstrous thing and, unfortunately, is sometimes necessary.
“He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.”
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I wish everyone could see this video. Well done.
We're all monsters. Some sleeping. Some waking. But still, all monsters so might as well embrace it.
That movie is also a chillingly accurate reflection of the real world because at the end of the movie, despite everything that happened, NOTHING CHANGES.
The characters go back to doing exactly what led them to that shitstorm situation as if they LEARNED NOTHING.
"What have the wars of the last 70 years accomplished"? Among other things a peaceful and prosperous South Korea (50 million who would otherwise be living in a communist hellscape), and an end to the Soviet occupation of eastern Europe (i.e. freedom for more than 1/4 billion people).
Note: curious that you chose 70 years rather than 80, because the latter would have included WWII.
“War is a racket.” -Smedley Butler
I understand that this video is about being "pacifist" and not endorsing war by either side. But. The truth is that no matter how pacifist you are, it won't matter, if the others outsiders will simply come in, and take everything from you. Your belongings, your loved ones, your life. You either have the means to defend or will be conquered by force. I would rather die with a gun in hand than to be slaughtered defenceless like a sheep.
Me too, when necessary.
Uhh bro. I don't think you understand what a pacifist is.
Pacifism is an umbrella term that encapsulates a lot of views that are critical of violent conflict and war. It opposes war and violence as means to settle a dispute. It has nothing to do with being passive or submissive. And even if it raises several and complex ethical questions pacifism accommodates the idea of killing in certain scenarios, like self defense.
Like if you were in a heated argument with someone in the street a pacifist would seek every opportunity to deescalate and cool things off. A pacifist would not be the first to throw punches, but would defend himself and others if the need arises.
Commenting as i watch and updating as needed.
But Grave of the Fireflies is only an anti-war film when utilizing Death of the Author.
Edit: Sad to say, but war can NOT be solved with out conflict. There is evil in this world and when people allow that evil to take power and guide them into war, only one thing can be done to put it to an end. Period. If you're not willing to fight evil then evil will win.
I disagree. Trying to prevent a war is like forcing humans to not be greedy. Its in our nature. I would name the tittle: "We Can Be Monsters That Create War"
Some of the humans inventions were created durring a war.