Johan had a nihilistic mindset, which this quote portraits well. You see, if you really think this through, no matter who we are or what we do in life, at the end we all will be dead. If you base your life on this big picture of existence, ultimately whatever you do is completely meaningless and doesn't matter at all, because everything will perish someday. That's how Johan lived his life.
Vince Ferdinand What do you mean by "depress his victims"? Do you think that Johan pretends to be nihilistic? If so, why? Sure, it depends how you look at it. And even if we could stop or reverse aging, it is still impossible to live forever. If we won't die by natural means, we would eventually die by accident. If not here on Earth (highly improbable), we will during the expansion of the sun five billions years from now. Nihilism isn't based on the matter of death, but rather in the ultimately meaningless of everything.
Everyone who thinks that they can do anything just because life has no meaning and we're all ephemeral is retarded. Once you gets influent on other people lives in a bad way, you don't deserve to be there anymore. Doesn't matter what is your philosophy of living, evil is still evil and good is still good. In therms of allignament, the most stupid people are who actually believe chaos is the answer to all. They're empty. (Maybe what I said is confusing, I don't speak english well) (Yeah, what I said has not much to do with the topic :U)
This is the primary reason for humans possessing the natural instinct to explore and discover new things. Never satisfied with what we have, always looking for a change.
@@r.7125 no, this anime or this video dosent talk about anything supernatural, he is talking about the devil amongst the Humans. And how our lives aren't that different regardless of how good or bad we are. Everyone has their share of misfortune. The world isn't fair. There is nothing related to god and devil 🙄🙄
The point is everyone is doomed no matter what they choose, only in death and regret are we equal. No matter what choice we make, we will never be satisfied.
@@jamesloucks2562 there is no need to know when he started to think this way all I know is that he does that now and I feel like in the end he did ask who was the real monster and yes I think it is Frans bonaparta but the whole show has threw the word monster throughout to describe Johan and I feel like he became a monster when he already was young
@@jamesloucks2562 no you forgot an important point too not only are we equal in death but we are equal in the opposite too all are equall in life as they exist
@@drawforge9640 not really the point of this picture book dude. It's not a hopeful story, it's a nihilistic story to drive the theme of Johans worldview.
This story is meant to make you desire being the devil. That the haves and have nots are both just puppets in the devils plan. Its better to be the evil one controlling things than be the one being manipulated.
What I see is that if they both combined they would be a full face,but they are separate like two entities that were meant to be one. If they did, perhaps they would survive. The mouth could eat but could not observe that the flowers were dying because he had no eyes and was willing to sell his soul to reach his hearts desire.The eyes didn't sell his soul and thus starved and thus with his eyes he could observe what was happening but could not bring himself to do anything other than observe and think of what could have been.
These stories gave me literal chills. Gave me a peek into what happens when you just have utter hatred and disdain for humanity. Also made me realize our emotions and circumstances are a lot more nuanced than just happiness vs sadness. That's why nihilism is 👎
I wonder, would I also be nihilistic if my parents didn't provide me with love and sense of individuality, during my primary childhood. Is it really so simple to become Johan?
@@observingatoms perhaps, I was raised in a normal household and even then, I feel like I'm losing my identity, I try to become like someone else to find that identity, even fictional characters, I just feel empty all the time, some day I wondered, am I merely a monster in a human body?
nah you just watching an anime and just see nihilism in these anime is bad nah you wrong its good and you forgot the wolfgang grimmer he nihilist too but the optimistic nihilist :|
"I see it all perfectly; there are two possible situations - one can either do this or that. My honest opinion and my friendly advice is this: do it or do not do it - you will regret both.”-Kierkegaard The anime that made me learn about existentialism. Some scenes are unforgettable.
Uh oh. With such big eyes maybe he could have foreseen the flowers withering Big mouth could use that hole to talk kind words instead of just eating A bit of comfort Care for one another Its so hard to find Big eyes would not starve if a little food was shared His depression would be helped by the good words of Big mouth Oh oh.
If they both got together, they would have survived. The devil cant defeat the companionship present in humans. So, Bonaparte portrayed a deep positive message within this hopeless story
@@ennieminymoo6675 Yes but did you see that scene where bonaparte told anna to never become monster. That scene made me feel like bonaparte still knows love and good. So it could be possible that he intentionally left a positive message in all his stories or atleast a few like this one due to his dual personality(dual = good + bad)
Well at least the person with the big mouth will outlast the person with the big eyes, but it's a shame he couldn't take care of his garden to blossom again.
I LITERALLY SPENT DAYS SEARCHING FOR THIS. I knew the tale but couldn't recall where I saw it. I asked in reddit, on discord, an my WhatsApp groups but nothing untill a friend who was watching Moster at that time told me.
What I got from this was that humans are never satisfied with anything and everything. We always want more no matter what and the monster just toys with us. Which now makes sense to me why Johan is the monster and why the name of the anime is Monster. Everything in the anime is all Johan (the monster’s) doing which is that he toys around with anyone in the world and makes them suffer one way or another. Just like this story.
So if the man with the big mouth and the man with big eyes decided to collaborate together they would of been able to keep their cake and eat it without any consequence. So the answer to beating the devil is love
I think i figured out what this story really means. Didn't Bonaparta wrote those storybooks? I think he took the inspiration from his own life. Demon is Bonaparta himself and he gave the Mother(i dont remember her name) two choice. Mother chose one of them but she thinks "i wish i have chosen the other path".
It's same as Like someone chasing his dream for sake of happiness in future by sacrificing current comfort. Another person who is living his life full of comfort, but not chasing his dream to be happy in future. In both cases, nothing guarantee you happiness. In first case , may be he didn't get what he want i.e happiness , mayebe regret that why he sacrifice his happiness in past and didn't live his youth like everyone . In Another case that person will regret why he didn't work like first case person to be happy, why he wasted his youth living in full of comfort. which don't matters now.
In this story, demon is Johann, and the rest are the people he contracts with to ask them for something. Because we know that the end of anyone who executes the orders of Johan is a bad end
This makes me believe how easy the life of a devil is. Things get effortlessly done, by manipulating the people required for the job. Thus, a devil's life is almost worthless without any hardships or interests.
another connection to kierkegaard, 'do it or do not do it; you will regret both' and interesting that both dealt with authorship under the false name 'johann'
I think it’s a nihilistic “it doesn’t matter what u do, in the end u die anyways” regardless of whether or not they made the trade they ended up sad and hungry. Regardless of what we do in life we will all die eventually.
Everyone has a threshold to how far we can be resilient in life. And this threshold is determined by our genetics. This is what I understood from Franz Bonaparta's experiment. He took 1 twin but the circumstances behind that abduction shaped the other twin's worldview. Johan developed conflicting ideas of how he should feel being the one who was left behind with their mother. Whether their mother did really choose him to be with her or was just mistaken. That's why during the acorn picking scene, he told his sister that whichever hand she chooses, she's always right because everything is for her. He believed he was the one who experienced the incident at the Red Rose mansion, he continued to act as a woman in Prague. This explains his detachment from reality as a defense mechanism with the belief that the stories from the picture books will come to life through him and will give him the answers as a proper ending.
I think this story is based around soken kierkegaards philosophy, if u hang yourself you will regret it, if you don't hang yourself you will regret it, if you marry or not marry, you will regret either way, and people after burying other people go on to drink and talk about how much more they have to live until they realize that they don't. Hence the dead and the ones close to death have the same regret, "they wish they had more time to live, they wish they had made better choices" hence even though the choices may differ, the regret is the same for everyone, and only in death and regret is everyone equal. If we have one thing, we will want the other, we humans can never be satisfied.
Placing the entirety of your life's events in the hands of a fleeting third-party is the ultimate submission. Both lost their free-agency. I understand now.
The purpose of stories is to reinvent a monster in the place of a human. And this particular story kills any hope. You are doomed no matter what you choose to do.
i share the same points as many of the comments here that the morale (or a big part of it at the very least) is regardless of *Yes* or *No* the only outcome is *Regret* ... but another possibility about the stuff at the end which no one has brought up as far as i have seen here, is about that last part : Was it actually the Monster again bringing up the deal to that Big Eyes character O.O? if that's the case, then the story might have some more implications then...
Quit deleting my comments abusively. You all belong in prison. You all owe me money. You're all serial killers, serial rapists, serial abusers. You all raped me and tried to kill me. And some have simply been abusing me and trying to kill me.
This is just stupid, the big mouth kid had plenty of food for a long time, and then he had none, but he was able to enjoy it while it lasted and that counts for something. The big eyed kid might have been hungry and about to die but it's the price to pay for choosing to stick to your ideals. Both got what they wanted, neither of them should be wanting to take back/retake the deal with the devil
The story also echoes Tenma’s original choice and struggle with it afterwards. He regrets his decision because he chose to save Johan and thus enabled him to commit several cruel murders…but despite that, he still feels that he would have regretted not saving him as that would go against his professional + personal philosophy that all lives are equal and are worth saving.
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Maybe this story explains what Johan meant with "The only thing that makes humans equal is death."
Johan had a nihilistic mindset, which this quote portraits well. You see, if you really think this through, no matter who we are or what we do in life, at the end we all will be dead. If you base your life on this big picture of existence, ultimately whatever you do is completely meaningless and doesn't matter at all, because everything will perish someday. That's how Johan lived his life.
Vince Ferdinand What do you mean by "depress his victims"? Do you think that Johan pretends to be nihilistic? If so, why?
Sure, it depends how you look at it. And even if we could stop or reverse aging, it is still impossible to live forever. If we won't die by natural means, we would eventually die by accident. If not here on Earth (highly improbable), we will during the expansion of the sun five billions years from now. Nihilism isn't based on the matter of death, but rather in the ultimately meaningless of everything.
Everyone who thinks that they can do anything just because life has no meaning and we're all ephemeral is retarded. Once you gets influent on other people lives in a bad way, you don't deserve to be there anymore. Doesn't matter what is your philosophy of living, evil is still evil and good is still good. In therms of allignament, the most stupid people are who actually believe chaos is the answer to all. They're empty.
(Maybe what I said is confusing, I don't speak english well)
(Yeah, what I said has not much to do with the topic :U)
amazing discusion fellow anime filosofers
@@murgazmurgaz937 and the people who think good and evil are absolute are the most clueless ones
This is literally the essence of life and every human on the face of earth. I realised it now watching this again
This is the primary reason for humans possessing the natural instinct to explore and discover new things. Never satisfied with what we have, always looking for a change.
no it isn’t... if there is a devil, there is God. didn’t newton say every force has an opposing one? so if there is evil- there is good, no?
@@r.7125 no, this anime or this video dosent talk about anything supernatural, he is talking about the devil amongst the Humans. And how our lives aren't that different regardless of how good or bad we are. Everyone has their share of misfortune. The world isn't fair. There is nothing related to god and devil 🙄🙄
Rohan yes they are, they are different. you’re nihilistic? cool. just don’t state it as fact or shove it down other people’s throats
Rohan also you mentioned a devil amongst humans... well if there is a devil then there is a God
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
but it's better if you do because you're at least happy for a while
you must be the monster themself then
The point is everyone is doomed no matter what they choose, only in death and regret are we equal.
No matter what choice we make, we will never be satisfied.
That's where Johan got his nihilism when at the end he said everyone is only equal in death
@@cristaljustice4534 there is no direct evidence in this show about where Johan became a monster.
@@jamesloucks2562 there is no need to know when he started to think this way all I know is that he does that now and I feel like in the end he did ask who was the real monster and yes I think it is Frans bonaparta but the whole show has threw the word monster throughout to describe Johan and I feel like he became a monster when he already was young
@@jamesloucks2562 no you forgot an important point too
not only are we equal in death but we are equal in the opposite too
all are equall in life as they exist
@@drawforge9640 not really the point of this picture book dude. It's not a hopeful story, it's a nihilistic story to drive the theme of Johans worldview.
„Do it or do not do it, you will regret both“ -Soren Kirksgard
"No matter what you choose, you'll allways be insatisfied"
not true, balance is key, too bad most people are weak to balance their life
@@jjajjmdsdcszdjcjks3194 Perfectly described Oshino Meme's philosophy
@@wi0.24seMonogatari?
This story is meant to make you desire being the devil. That the haves and have nots are both just puppets in the devils plan. Its better to be the evil one controlling things than be the one being manipulated.
@EX OBESA I wonder the existence of story books like that! Nameless Monster .....
That explain why Johan ended up the way he did
Neither are good
That's definitely the conclusion Johan would have come to, had he read this book (maybe he did)
The demon was the only one who end up winning
What I see is that if they both combined they would be a full face,but they are separate like two entities that were meant to be one. If they did, perhaps they would survive.
The mouth could eat but could not observe that the flowers were dying because he had no eyes and was willing to sell his soul to reach his hearts desire.The eyes didn't sell his soul and thus starved and thus with his eyes he could observe what was happening but could not bring himself to do anything other than observe and think of what could have been.
you saw hope in that story. Congrats.
Damn that's a interesting way to think about it!!
These stories gave me literal chills. Gave me a peek into what happens when you just have utter hatred and disdain for humanity. Also made me realize our emotions and circumstances are a lot more nuanced than just happiness vs sadness. That's why nihilism is 👎
I wonder, would I also be nihilistic if my parents didn't provide me with love and sense of individuality, during my primary childhood. Is it really so simple to become Johan?
@@observingatoms perhaps, I was raised in a normal household and even then, I feel like I'm losing my identity, I try to become like someone else to find that identity, even fictional characters, I just feel empty all the time, some day I wondered, am I merely a monster in a human body?
@@luckyabdurrahman1085 I hope you're okay, pal.
nah you just watching an anime and just see nihilism in these anime is bad nah you wrong its good and you forgot the wolfgang grimmer he nihilist too but the optimistic nihilist :|
nihilism is just a philosophy. Johan is just taking nihilism to the most extreme end, normal people don't do that.
The three paths of the righteous, the sinner and the devil...
And regardless of the path you took, nothing will matter in the end.
@@luckyabdurrahman1085~ it doesn't even matter~
"I see it all perfectly; there are two possible situations - one can either do this or that. My honest opinion and my friendly advice is this: do it or do not do it - you will regret both.”-Kierkegaard
The anime that made me learn about existentialism. Some scenes are unforgettable.
That's why I love the saying "Life is full of shit anyway, might as well enjoy the little pleasant surprises."
Love this!
Everything is always fckd up! So just enjoy anything even if it's suck
Agree!
“Such a shame Johan was such a beautiful name”
the meaning is that humans come become anything (because both changed their personalities due to the consequences of the deal)
Uh oh.
With such big eyes maybe he could have foreseen the flowers withering
Big mouth could use that hole to talk kind words instead of just eating
A bit of comfort
Care for one another
Its so hard to find
Big eyes would not starve if a little food was shared
His depression would be helped by the good words of Big mouth
Oh oh.
Maybe humanity us the answer..
If they both got together, they would have survived. The devil cant defeat the companionship present in humans. So, Bonaparte portrayed a deep positive message within this hopeless story
@@observingatoms Bonaparta cared for exactly the opposite, he wanted to spread insatisfaction, hopelesness, to the children who read his books.
@@ennieminymoo6675 Yes but did you see that scene where bonaparte told anna to never become monster. That scene made me feel like bonaparte still knows love and good. So it could be possible that he intentionally left a positive message in all his stories or atleast a few like this one due to his dual personality(dual = good + bad)
@@observingatoms ah yes the classic
N A K A M A P O W A H
Well at least the person with the big mouth will outlast the person with the big eyes, but it's a shame he couldn't take care of his garden to blossom again.
I LITERALLY SPENT DAYS SEARCHING FOR THIS. I knew the tale but couldn't recall where I saw it. I asked in reddit, on discord, an my WhatsApp groups but nothing untill a friend who was watching Moster at that time told me.
This anime is amazing
Don't like how Big Eyes Guy is staring into my soul
What I got from this was that humans are never satisfied with anything and everything. We always want more no matter what and the monster just toys with us. Which now makes sense to me why Johan is the monster and why the name of the anime is Monster. Everything in the anime is all Johan (the monster’s) doing which is that he toys around with anyone in the world and makes them suffer one way or another. Just like this story.
So if the man with the big mouth and the man with big eyes decided to collaborate together they would of been able to keep their cake and eat it without any consequence.
So the answer to beating the devil is love
I think i figured out what this story really means. Didn't Bonaparta wrote those storybooks? I think he took the inspiration from his own life. Demon is Bonaparta himself and he gave the Mother(i dont remember her name) two choice. Mother chose one of them but she thinks "i wish i have chosen the other path".
It's same as
Like someone chasing his dream for sake of happiness in future by sacrificing current comfort.
Another person who is living his life full of comfort, but not chasing his dream to be happy in future.
In both cases, nothing guarantee you happiness.
In first case , may be he didn't get what he want i.e happiness , mayebe regret that why he sacrifice his happiness in past and didn't live his youth like everyone .
In Another case that person will regret why he didn't work like first case person to be happy, why he wasted his youth living in full of comfort.
which don't matters now.
This is an absolute die or die situation
*god has left the chat
In this story, demon is Johann, and the rest are the people he contracts with to ask them for something. Because we know that the end of anyone who executes the orders of Johan is a bad end
This makes me believe how easy the life of a devil is. Things get effortlessly done, by manipulating the people required for the job. Thus, a devil's life is almost worthless without any hardships or interests.
@@observingatomsDevil need's friend, and it's greddy & sinful human.
another connection to kierkegaard, 'do it or do not do it; you will regret both' and interesting that both dealt with authorship under the false name 'johann'
I'm gonna read this for my children
It is a joke right !?
they will end up like johan and murder you for turning them into a monster
@@r.7125 do you not understand the book
please don't-
same
i dont know the meaning but anyways this anime is just perfect
Cave Johnson i wouldn’t say he his dissatisfied, but more like he is inevitably doomed, which consequently means he’s not satisfied so yeah
I think it’s a nihilistic “it doesn’t matter what u do, in the end u die anyways” regardless of whether or not they made the trade they ended up sad and hungry. Regardless of what we do in life we will all die eventually.
@@drmosaddegh wait what? Why are all the people you replied to deleted their comment?
Everyone has a threshold to how far we can be resilient in life. And this threshold is determined by our genetics. This is what I understood from Franz Bonaparta's experiment. He took 1 twin but the circumstances behind that abduction shaped the other twin's worldview. Johan developed conflicting ideas of how he should feel being the one who was left behind with their mother. Whether their mother did really choose him to be with her or was just mistaken. That's why during the acorn picking scene, he told his sister that whichever hand she chooses, she's always right because everything is for her. He believed he was the one who experienced the incident at the Red Rose mansion, he continued to act as a woman in Prague. This explains his detachment from reality as a defense mechanism with the belief that the stories from the picture books will come to life through him and will give him the answers as a proper ending.
I think this story is based around soken kierkegaards philosophy, if u hang yourself you will regret it, if you don't hang yourself you will regret it, if you marry or not marry, you will regret either way, and people after burying other people go on to drink and talk about how much more they have to live until they realize that they don't. Hence the dead and the ones close to death have the same regret, "they wish they had more time to live, they wish they had made better choices" hence even though the choices may differ, the regret is the same for everyone, and only in death and regret is everyone equal. If we have one thing, we will want the other, we humans can never be satisfied.
Placing the entirety of your life's events in the hands of a fleeting third-party is the ultimate submission. Both lost their free-agency. I understand now.
We are equal.
The purpose of stories is to reinvent a monster in the place of a human.
And this particular story kills any hope. You are doomed no matter what you choose to do.
No matter what you choose in the end you will regret, love this anime it is hard to find a book like this really is this for kids?
At least, the person with big eyes did not commit a sin which is dealing with a demon, eventually no one of the two got the eternal happiness.
God will send those 2 to hell, because the big eye's dude just siting there and not doing something.
i share the same points as many of the comments here
that the morale (or a big part of it at the very least) is regardless
of *Yes* or *No*
the only outcome is *Regret*
...
but another possibility about the stuff at the end which no one has brought up as far as i have seen here, is about that last part :
Was it actually the Monster again bringing up the deal to that Big Eyes character O.O?
if that's the case, then the story might have some more implications then...
Klaus poppe chased his son out of rose mansion so he didn't become a monster
This is my beat mini story in the anime.
the virgin nihilism vs the chad absurdism
how johan manipulates people and his pov of life
He uses Franz bonaparta's manipulation patterns but a more improved one
@Grimmer thats what I'm even saying
Does anybody know the music for the scene
Cast upon the wind
Is this also about how problematic life and spirits can be?
Shintoism and all.
Those spirits can really f-ck you up no matter what you do.
Quit deleting my comments abusively.
You all belong in prison. You all owe me money.
You're all serial killers, serial rapists, serial abusers.
You all raped me and tried to kill me.
And some have simply been abusing me and trying to kill me.
No wonder Johan hated Human life
Imo, only anime that's ever been made that had literally a better dub than sub, I've never seen it before in my life
cowboy bebop and mushishi dub are good too. not sure if it's better than sub tho
nice
It's scary now
thx i like ur channel
it kinda reminds me of stoicism philosohpy
What eps is this scene from?
56 i think
This is just stupid, the big mouth kid had plenty of food for a long time, and then he had none, but he was able to enjoy it while it lasted and that counts for something.
The big eyed kid might have been hungry and about to die but it's the price to pay for choosing to stick to your ideals.
Both got what they wanted, neither of them should be wanting to take back/retake the deal with the devil
Akuma
What they traded
The story also echoes Tenma’s original choice and struggle with it afterwards. He regrets his decision because he chose to save Johan and thus enabled him to commit several cruel murders…but despite that, he still feels that he would have regretted not saving him as that would go against his professional + personal philosophy that all lives are equal and are worth saving.
What episode
Ep ples
WHİCH İS PART?
the point of this story is, only the devil benefits from it.
this scene is soooo much better in the english dub ._____.
he meant to say much better *than*
@JT Nelson It is just an alternative translation
What a narrow choice
Life is bigger than that, bigger than that one small little demon
Only works on poor people
Demon never works on well being Angels