That music is not Max Richter. The amazing Daniel Hart composed original scores for both seasons of the show. I believe the piece you were thinking of is 'Vicious'. I can see why you might have thought it was ' On the Nature of Daylight'. Similar vibes. Daniel Hart's music for this show is incredible. Be prepared to be wowed even more.
Daniel's not saying "however people interpret it is okay", he's saying no one can prevent people from interpreting it in whatever way they want. He literally can't control the minds of whoever reads the book, so Louis has to be prepared for the story to become something he didn't expect.
Exactly, when he said that I was thinking how meta that comment was. For instance, if we see all the characters of the show and the books, they are flawed to a T. All of them ar complex, complicated with issues on steroids. And yet here we are, with people taking teams.
your point about daniel’s lack of empathy for the vampires is so true! i think it stems from what happened the night of the first interview, which we get more backstory on in season 2. but i think his judgment of louis based on that night has transferred over to claudia so that he also has little empathy for her. and yeah i think daniel is one of those ppl who thinks he is being objective and neutral when really he has his own bias and pov that is coming thru in the interview
Daniel cuts through the romantic view of history that Louis wants to believe. its why Louis gravitates toward him. No one else in his life has ever said cut the bullshit. Everyone else has weaponized their wants. Daniel weaponizes the truth .
@@ourcrazystupidpodcastnot too much on Daniel. Daniel wants to get to the TRUTH. Him wanting to read the torn pages isn’t because he doesn’t view her with empathy but as a journalist you want to get the full understanding in her OWn words. Daniel said in the beginning it was puff portraiture.
Lestat thought Louis would take to vampirism in the way Lestat wanted him to- as a hunter, a predator, a killer that sees himself above humans. Instead, he got a Louis that desperately wants to hold onto his humanity. Family is a huge part of that for Louis much to Lestat’s disappointment. Making Claudia was definitely a compromise that added to the already growing rift between them.
One big trigger for Lestat was Claudia coming in the door with books, languages, and a head full of college knowledge. We know this because Louis had taunted Lestat earlier about only reading the first 10 pages of every book and holding just enough information in his head to impress hapless humans before killing them. Interesting that naturally smart Lestat is so intimidated by Louis and Claudia's "book learnin'".
Lestat's trigger is the search for VAMPIRIC knowledge specifically, and it's deeply rooted in how things went with Akasha, who he mentioned in 2x08. Lestat, a voracious reader in French, Italian, English, Latin & Greek, won't be put off by "book knowledge".
I kinda disagree with the point about Daniel and how he wanted to hear what Claudia wrote about her own assault, im an archivist and i took it as more "hes a journalist, and editorializing other people's story for sensitivities isnt good. Claudia wrote what happened and its a part of her story, and Louis had already lied to Daniel and messed with the story before. Its hard but revisiting history but getting a real picture includes the unpleasant parts" Louis sanatizing her story (not to say we had to go into greusome details as the audience, but that it was a plot point relevant to Louis' whole arc) by directly ripping out pages of HER personal diary and taking away what little words of her remains, i think this connect to how he tells a very biased and warped version of events, and hes not presenting Claudia as she was, especially towards the end of the season. Louis has a good heart but Daniel is right, anything he writes (i dont think he was implying he wasnt going to try to tell a nuanced story, hes been trying to get a rise out of loius and get him to confront himself since thhe beginning. In that scene hes bullying louis about editorializing and not giving full truths consistently) will be taken by readers as how they want, like how novokovs lolita is severly mischaracterized and misunderstood by the masses but is still a touted work of writing for a reason
I think regarding wanting to get full context and nuance in the story... Daniel was trying to do that! He was TRYING to get the exact events that happened in Claudia's own words and Louis was denying him that just saying "we know what happened... just you know use your imagination"... And Daniel was like "no, that's not good journalism I have to know exactly what happened actually to be able to write this with the correct context and nuance" even if people do take it out of context, which they will and make sexy Claudia halloween costumes because that's what people do... There are so many Halloween costumes out there of fucking horrific shit... people are going to do that and they don't have ANY control over people doing that... But then you can also kind of understand Louis being protective over Claudia even after all this time... That's understandable. But it's butting heads with Daniel attempting to do journalism properly... I think Daniel does understand that the journals are an important piece of nuance that he didn't have in the first interview. It's why he kind of grills Louis as to where the fuck the journals were the first time because they are important.
We have to remember Daniel has already had to hear a very different version of the story 40 years ago and was attacked for his troubles for listen to Louis romantic version of events.
idk. his characterization makes him present every interaction as a battle (which it kinda is, he human talkin to a vampire). However there is also good journalism in respecting boundaries and possibly circling back. A lot of questions and facts don't get responded to in government interviews, for example. We don't say the journalist did a bad job because the interviewee denied to give a response.
@@harpbeat500 Sure we do. If someone reads an article about someone being pardoned, people want to know all of the facts... If some of those facts arent there, we wonder why? If no good answer is given ("You know what happened."). Then we call into question the reasoning because we werent given the a to z's of it all. Side note: isnt it hypocritical for Louis to feel he can dictate what information he gives out... Yet he and Claudia have an issue with Lestat doing the very same thing??????????????
i think the annoying parts of daniel make him perfect for this job. like him being belligerent and insensitive is annoying. but it also gives him the ability to cut through some of the bs that louis has tried to hand him -- unknowingly or otherwise. daniel being a habitual line stepper and story chaser had him going back for a second interview with the vampire who almost killed him last time where anybody else would have declined and probably moved to a new city lol. but i also think daniel is still so enmeshed in the real world that for him he might as well be interviewing ted bundy as he talks about the hardships of raising the night stalker. so i can understand him being reluctant to feel for louis. but it's hard to watch when louis is baring his soul to someone who couldn't care less.
Really interesting discussion! I agree that Lestat and Louis were both selfish in their making of Claudia, ultimately it WAS never about her - they both wanted her for different reasons: Louis to appease his guilt and Lestat as a way to make Louis happy. What I disagree with you on is that I don't think this ever fundamentally changed, I think they both have used and continue to use Claudia for their own selfish purposes. Doesn't mean there isn't love there, just that it's at its core a selfish one.
I really am loving your dissections on this whole series. I'm a huge fan of the Vampire Chronicles books and it actually amazes me that we are starting conversations on the intentions of the characters. In the case of Lestat being the "villain", he's only that in Louis and Armand's eyes and for understandable reasons; For Louis, Lestat felt like he was the reason he never wanted to be a Vampire and for Armand, it's mostly out of envy and resentment. To simply say that either Lestat, Louis, Armand or even Claudia are "villains" is too simple because what they really are are just nuanced people who are trapped in this abusive cycle of vampirism that not only damages their relationships with people they care about, but also with themselves. In a way, it's like Evangelion because it consists of a cast of broken characters that have a hidden ugliness that is judged mercilessly because they all have issues with their self-worth. I see it in all of the characters. I like to think Daniel is us, the audience, trying to process if we can cope with understanding broken traumatized individuals, despite that they do horrible inexcusable things. This is why I think the series is increidlbe and worth analyzing and i'm glad people are starting to talk about it.
It is interesting seeing people react to only this half of the story because it seems very cut and dry but the last two episodes and then part 2 really do reframe a lot of the 1st half especially after a curtain character enters the narrative.
I can’t wait for y’all to see how the story unfolds. I’m rewatching the eps with y’all and I’m really enjoying hearing your thoughts. Makes me look at things differently.
14:53 I think you do have to take into account that Daniel is a seasoned investigative journalist... He has handled interviews with extremely extremely dark topics (we know this because in the first episode there were brief shots of all the books that he had written over his career)... And people who have been in those types of environments do have to emotionally disconnect from what topics they're actually being confronted with... It's similar to what therapists have to do. I've read interviews that therapists have done and they do a very very similar thing. They HAVE to emotionally disconnect and engage in only a little bit of empathy...they CAN'T have full empathy about a situation... It's just emotionally devastating to do that over and over and over again and so Daniel is at the very end of his career... He is very well practiced in not being empathetic... He is still slightly empathetic to the situation and does seem to genuinely like Claudia as a person... But his career lasted as long as it did... He's probably slightly trained himself to not be empathetic, if doing so doesn't come naturally to him and it absolutely does come naturally to some people.... So yeah he comes off as cold and a bit of an asshole with his prodding that he read Claudia's perspective on EXACTLY what happened to her in her words...which is some of his natural personality from the books, absolutely! But also he's an investigative journalist at the end of his career(compared to being at the beginning of his career in the books and the movie)... It just makes sense for him to be interacting with Louis in the way that he is.... But yeah none of the characters in the books or in this show are good people, Daniel included. This isn't a show for black and white thinking ...everyone fucking sucks in some way and is good in other ways... There are very few characters within Anne Rice's books that are just purely purely fucking horrible with absolutely no redeemable traits... But also there is pretty much no one who's a solely good person either. So yeah Daniel absolutely is meant to be a reflection of the audience but he still is a character that is in the books that has certain personality traits that they are displaying in the show as well he's not a complete blank slate audience proxy... But yeah I would say that a LOT of his lack of empathy that he is showing in the show absolutely has to do with his career and how long he has been in the specific career.
As always it's a pleasure to hear yall takes I'm interested to see how they develop in the second season.. Honestly the thing that makes the show so good in my opinion is that it let's you make up your mind about characters and none of them are simple or 2 dimensional. Yall are supposed to hate lestat at this point and the show makes it a point of not excusing his behaviour even in the second season all you are given is more context for the actions so you can have somewhat of a fuller frame but personally I don't think it excuses what he does to Louis. And when that additional is added it's mainly again through Louis's retelling of the tale still so even that is biased. Also I think the tragedy of the show lies in the fact that Louis loves lestat and lestat loves Louis but neither of them know how to show that love in a healthy way because everything that is wrong in their relationship comes from their own mental hang ups and/or mental health issues that they never dealt with properly. The way they choose to deal with their feelings is unhealthy and the way they choose to fill the void they feel is absolutely horrendous and as a result they dragged clauidia into this mess with them and ultimately ruined this little girls life by prolonging her suffering. It's tragic as hell
The end credit song is written and performed by Charles Manson which is so twisted and fitting especially with what Daniel said in the episode. Love this podcast! Your breakdowns are so thorough and I can wait for you both to keep watching.
In this episode, Lestat is a villain however, I think they were both equally selfish for Claudia. Louis wanted her made out of guilt and Lestat created her to Keep Louis with him. Lestat was right when he said it was never about her, that was the cruelest part. They both used her to temporarily resolve their own issues and our poor sweet Claudia suffered as a result. Also, Remember this is Daniel Malloy's second interview with Louis. Louis is acting very different from the first. I think he is being purposely antagonistic to try and pull something Less scripted and more from the heart from Louis Especially when speaking about Claudia. He puts so much emotional distance between himself and his relationships that he often "overreacts" when being pushed. Vampires are just complicated monsters. It shows us How Unreliable a narrator can be if they aren't pushed to find out what really Happened.
While there are moments in which I do have sympathy for Claudia. I agree with Daniel making comparisons to her being like Charles Manson/serial killer because at the end of the day isn’t that what she is ? Or at least part of who she is . She’s murdered countless people and mutilated corpses of her victims. To many people she would be considered a monster in real life. I don’t think Daniel has lack of empathy for the vampires/claudia . It’s more he’s not going to romanticize her actions and make her out to be a complete victim and is going to call out the B.S. and that goes for Lestat and Louis . Lastly Daniel is a journalist and his job there is telling a biography of Louis . Which includes things that may be uncovering uncomfortable truths that happened. Which Louis knew this going in.
On Daniel Malloy, I think his perspective is informed by his lived experience as a journalist . He as seen the slow degradation of the truth in media, amplified by the ever growing hunger for money (not unlike a vampire's thirst for blood). Also I don't think that he has a complete disregard for them as people. He wouldn't be able to get help Louis articulate his thoughts and call out his bs if he wasn't able to connect on that level. I think that he is reasonably guarded though. We are talking about an old man interviewing a powerful vampire that almost killed him 50 years ago. That earns him some snark in my book.
I think Lestat also feels like Louis resents him for turning him the same way that Nicki harboured resentment towards him for turning Gabrielle first, and other reasons. And let's be honest, even if Louis made it through the night unturned, his mother would have sent him over the edge again. And he likely would have ended his life. He knows what the Vampires in Europe were like. The minute Armand saw Claudia would have quite possibly been the end of her. He knows the history of Vampires but cant tell them because it will put all their lives in danger. So spending decades with someone you believe you saved and gave the opportunity to be their true selves only to have to come to terms with the fact that they don't love you and never will (Louis loves that man), his abandonment issues and i think, to some extent, Nicki's death, the cup had overflown. Sadly, he took it out on them. And yes, I i agree that Lestat feels like hes doing everything that he should and is perturbed by the fact that his affections aren't being returned.
Nah there is absolutely no context that would make what Lestat did remotely okay or justifiable. Nothing. And that is fine. Edit to add : Daniel's lack of empathy is very intentional in the story. No spoilers but I'm personally satisfied with the way his attitude has been written and explained within the story. His insistence in season 1 episodes to view these characters harshly and the way he runs from feeling any empathy is very deliberate. To be fair, one of the first claudia diaries he picks up mention claudia drinking the blood of prisoners of war and this is a human who still views these vampires as remorseless murderers so it tracks that he would focus on that 😅
In the books, Claudia is only 5. Think about the 5 year olds you know. To eternally have the inability to really regulate your emotions. She’s in love with a man who only sees her as his child and because of your outward appearance of a five year old, it’s almost impossible to leave the situation. Her story is truly tragic.
I guess you forgot that Daniel was attacked by Louis during their meeting in the first interview in the 1970’s so yes Daniel has an attitude towards Louis and Claudia because he has experienced the bite of a vampire so his view is through that human lens. Also Louis withholds from Lestat any amount of love and attention as a form of control as his way of controlling the circumstances after Claudia leaves which is messy in it self. This show makes you forget they are Vampires and monsters but that is what they are beings that kill every night to survive. And I agree with Daniel that once you release your art or writing to the world you can’t control how others interpret that work
15:39 There’s a very high pitched whining ringing sound coming from the podcast sound equipment when you guys speak. I have tried disconnecting from my pill but it’s still here. I loved the pod otherwise I stuck it through!
This episode was so tough to watch. 1. You could tell Louis was stuck in the middle and didn’t want to choose between his husband and daughter. Also, do you know why Lestat bit him? The last time he bit him was in episode 1, where they were intimate, and they levitated. But I wasn't sure if it was meant to weaken him, so he has no choice but to stay and heal, or do you think he wanted force a “physical” connection? I know they haven't been intimate in 5 years, and Lestat said " I choose you".
@00:50 - let’s remember these words when they watch season 2. This will be interesting when they catch up! Remember Lestat is the main character of this entire series and is loved just as much if not more than Louis
Yea but the characters in the show are not the same as the ones in the original. And the racist element is new. And after watching season 2 I still think Lestat is racist as hell. Also I don’t believe Claudia is lying in her diaries
6:34 yeah, we will learn in future seasons Lestats FULL backstory... But without any spoilers to specific details BOTH of Lestat's parents were EXTREMELY abusive, even for the time period that he lived in... So he literally has NEVER been shown what healthy love looks like... And so of course he can't healthily love somebody in a relationship... his parents fucking SUCKED and didn't provide a good example of what love looks like. He was a significantly better parent to Claudia then his parents EVER were to him... He probably thought he was doing a decent job raising her...probably thought that he was treating her really REALLY well, in comparison...but he grew up in the 1700s, whereas Louis and Claudia didn't... And so they STILL saw the toxicity and abusive unhealthy behavior that he was displaying. So yeah, you guys hit the nail on the head with that one... Lestat literally doesn't know how to love properly, absolutely. He tries his best... but it always turns toxic and unhealthy. And all of this isn't to excuse his behavior but it absolutely gives an explanation as to WHY he behaves the way that he does. It seems like you guys picked up on that a lot quicker than some other people who have watched this show!
I mean he did technically save him... Louis was going to take his life the night of the church scene, from what Jacob Anderson has said in interviews about that episode... Louis even verbally says "I want to die"... And so Lestat DID technically save Louis life by extending it and turning him into a vampire... Because he THOUGHT that Louis would take to vampirism well... but he clearly didn't. But it is an objective fact that Lestat saved Louis, in the show.
@@Pooobaihr23 yeah, I think him saying Lestat "took his life" was like... Him just throwing it in lestat's face because he doesn't have ANY other argument in that argument they were having...I don't think he truly believes it. He just needed SOMETHING to throw back in Lestats face. 🤷♀️ And like he has no argument against Lestat bringing up his vampiric eating disorder, essentially.... And so he just defaulted to like "waaahh YOU ruined my life, though. It's actually your fault!" like ..A bit goofy tbh. 🤣🤣🤣
@@ourcrazystupidpodcast he is frustrated, and he ran out of arguments to make. And as the narrative progressed, Louis acknowledged that there is no universe where he doesn't choose Lestat and vampirism eventually (2x08)
Your point about Malloy is interesting but I don’t fully agree. I think Malloy is still angry at Louis for attacking him 50 years ago and that’s where his lack of sympathy for Claudia comes from. I also agree that Louis hasn’t been an entirely truthful narrator and Malloy is just trying to find out the truth. But tbh I’m glad they didnt show us what happened to her. She says a little bit more about it in season 2 and from what little she says, it’s clear the situation was worse than just being r*ped once by that guy. However I do appreciate Malloy constantly challenging Louis and attempting to draw out the truth from him/help him to remember what rly happened bcuz Louis contradicts himself a lot. Malloy is definitely an asshole but his character is also kinda funny and he asks a lot of the questions I wanna know too! Also the actor playing Malloy said in an interview something about him channeling his fear of Louis into anger, so every time he’s afraid of Louis he just gets more angry/mean/blunt.
"If what I read about the other Vampires is lies, tell me what is true." LESTAT: They are VICIOUS.... That is all they needed to know. That is it in a nutshell. He didnt withhold... He told them. Every time they asked about the other vampires that they were monstrous compared to him. I think many people look over this. Each and every time they ask things, he tells them what he can.
@@Pooobaihr23 i think the nuance that people sometimes gloss over when they maintain that Lestat warns Claudia and Louis about other vampires is that at that point in the story Louis and Claudia have very little trust in him. Lestat's protectiveness is often overshadowed by his secrecy and his seemingly possessive and selfish brand of love. I love all of these characters but from Louis and Claudia's pov, its understandable that they have little reason to believe Lestat at that point. They have both been feeling isolated for so long (which while not directly caused by Lestat was caused by their turning and Lestat is their maker) Claudia craves community because of her unique circumstances and it makes sense that she chose to regard Lestat as her jailor because while they are both responsible for her turning, its a lot harder for her to blame Daddy Lou than it is to blame uncle Les.
I actually like eric version of Daniel malloy he's way better than Christian Slater to me Daniel is right once the book comes out people will see it in there own way
Fam listen to me lol no matter what people in these comments say about Lestat. Lestat is Lestat. You can have empathy for him like Killmonger, Wanda Maximoff, Thanos, etc But he is , who he is Daniel Malloy is & will always be a jerk. Never liked him, still don’t. He has his own demons & struggles & that’s never okay to take it out on somebody else. I liked his version in the movie better he was less (jerky). The tv show Daniel, I strongly dislike. But I guess that makes him a good actor, he reeks of entitlement & privilege
Is Lestat a villain? In short, not really? It's complex. But he's far from being "good," either. He's a monster. All of them are, in one way or another. You also have to remember not to take what you're seeing at face value. We're not dealing with reliable narration, which you'll discover more as things go on. Just because you're watching a scene play out on the screen doesn't mean that's what really happened, and you may see different versions of certain scenes in the future and have to parse through that information to try and figure out what the truth is.
and interesting thing about the show is that everything we see in the past line is throught the POV of the characters and we can never know if it is 100% how it really happend For now the only POVs that have been shown are Louis and Claudia, so of course that Lestat is the villain and Claudia/Louis are the victims, maybe if we saw Lestat POV or what really happend every thing will be more equal in terms of villain/victims
Loving the discussion. I don't see Louis's perspective of agency towards Claudia any better than Lestat's perspective towards Louis. Louis was going to kill himself after Claudia left him. Seems like he wanted her to live with the guilt of his death for the rest of her life. He would have been controlling beyond the grave.
@mookieluvsyu Maybe so, maybe not. What he said and what he would have actually accomplished, are indeed inconsistent. I see Louis as someone with a victim mentality. In my experience, folks who live their lives as victims, whether passive or directly, establish others as the perpetrator.
I think as viewers we feel empathy for the vampires because we know its fiction, but for Molloy its very real, he is a human in the den of a predator that can kill him at any moment. I don't think it would make sense for him to be like "I feel your pain" right off the bat. We see some character progression from him in season 2, as he spends more time with Louis and gets deeper into the story, he starts to empathize more. Ultimately It's his stubbornness and determination that make him think that he can even get this story in the first place. I also think him telling Louis that "once you put your story out there you can't really control how people take it", was one of his few empathetic moments in S1. I saw it more as a commentary on mass media and modern culture where no matter how sincere, there's always going to be people who wont necessarily receive it in the spirit it was intended. You know for sure there is going to be a different groups online, some saying Louis has admitted to a series of murders, he should be in jail, he should get the death penalty, if he really cared about humanity he should gather as many vamps together and self exit instead of preying on them, others will be like he's the real God lets go worship him and offer our selves to vampires as sacrifices, some will impose their romantic or sexual fantasies on them and some will be like I have a gun and can rig a home made bomb "I'm now a vampire hunter".
I love this show it makes people think. But i did not go that route. My one thing is i didn't get louis ever wanting to leave lestat. And Claudia never asked Louis if he wanted to leave. Love your thoughts though
I mean Claudia did ask Louis in his mind to leave with her... She never said it out loud but she said it telepathically and Lestat assumed that that is what she was saying when they were staring at each other intently... From the very beginning he seems to understand when they are telepathically communicating with each other at times.
@AnxietyRat yes im talking about when she walked in that after being gone for 7 years. She came in and said, "Come with me louis" after the DROP. They should have left and not stayed in Lestats house. I would pissed out. Lestat cant read my mind anyway so he wouldn't have been able to fine me
@@jestinathomas300 He didnt want to leave at all. I cant wait til season 3.. unfortunately a lot of folks are probably going to get mad tho because things will be from Lestat's POV, which in the books, is essentially the truth of it all... And If he paints Louis in a different light than how he explained himself... Folks are gonna be mad. The thing people arent realizing though is that the truth is in the clues. Louis said himself in episode 1, "I was a rougher thing, then.". Where?? Cause all we've seen was a couple things and I wouldnt call that rough. Lol he left out a LOT of stuff. Lol
@@jestinathomas300 yeah I don't think Louis wanted to leave even if he physically could have ...which he couldn't for a good couple of months, anyways... Because he could not verbally say to Lestat that he didn't love him, directly before the drop. He could only say let go of me not I don't love you... So he still loved Lestat... Even after he had fully healed... he didn't WANT to leave the townhouse when he absolutely could have. If I was in Louis' shoes I probably would have left as well...but we are not Louis.... There are absolutely ways that Lestat could have found them if they did leave even if he cannot read Louis mind, unfortunately.... And maybe the show will depict that in future seasons. Idk. But yeah, Lestat not being able to read Louis' mind would NOT give them blanket immunity from him if they got the fuck out and left town. Not with how Anne Rice's vampires work, IIRC.
@@Pooobaihr23 small reminder that book Louis is 1973 Louis. And we know 1973 Louis was lying to Daniel from episode 1. The show established that the book interview with the vampire is the interview that never got published. So it follows that the one that gets made in Dubai is a lot more truthful already. Sam Reid has also made it a point to say in an sdcc interview that he doesnt think Louis' version of events should be discounted.
And lestat did saved Louis, Louis wanted to dieee... He is suicidal.. Wait till season 2 and you will understand that louis is very suicidal person. He would have died if lestat didnt turned him.. Is just how he is
That music is not Max Richter. The amazing Daniel Hart composed original scores for both seasons of the show. I believe the piece you were thinking of is 'Vicious'. I can see why you might have thought it was ' On the Nature of Daylight'. Similar vibes. Daniel Hart's music for this show is incredible. Be prepared to be wowed even more.
@@xylophanes9792 thanks for the clarification!
Daniel's not saying "however people interpret it is okay", he's saying no one can prevent people from interpreting it in whatever way they want. He literally can't control the minds of whoever reads the book, so Louis has to be prepared for the story to become something he didn't expect.
Exactly, when he said that I was thinking how meta that comment was. For instance, if we see all the characters of the show and the books, they are flawed to a T. All of them ar complex, complicated with issues on steroids. And yet here we are, with people taking teams.
your point about daniel’s lack of empathy for the vampires is so true! i think it stems from what happened the night of the first interview, which we get more backstory on in season 2. but i think his judgment of louis based on that night has transferred over to claudia so that he also has little empathy for her. and yeah i think daniel is one of those ppl who thinks he is being objective and neutral when really he has his own bias and pov that is coming thru in the interview
@@videovixenn bingo!
Daniel cuts through the romantic view of history that Louis wants to believe. its why Louis gravitates toward him. No one else in his life has ever said cut the bullshit. Everyone else has weaponized their wants. Daniel weaponizes the truth .
@@ourcrazystupidpodcastnot too much on Daniel. Daniel wants to get to the TRUTH. Him wanting to read the torn pages isn’t because he doesn’t view her with empathy but as a journalist you want to get the full understanding in her OWn words.
Daniel said in the beginning it was puff portraiture.
Lestat thought Louis would take to vampirism in the way Lestat wanted him to- as a hunter, a predator, a killer that sees himself above humans. Instead, he got a Louis that desperately wants to hold onto his humanity. Family is a huge part of that for Louis much to Lestat’s disappointment. Making Claudia was definitely a compromise that added to the already growing rift between them.
One big trigger for Lestat was Claudia coming in the door with books, languages, and a head full of college knowledge. We know this because Louis had taunted Lestat earlier about only reading the first 10 pages of every book and holding just enough information in his head to impress hapless humans before killing them. Interesting that naturally smart Lestat is so intimidated by Louis and Claudia's "book learnin'".
Lestat's trigger is the search for VAMPIRIC knowledge specifically, and it's deeply rooted in how things went with Akasha, who he mentioned in 2x08. Lestat, a voracious reader in French, Italian, English, Latin & Greek, won't be put off by "book knowledge".
One thing I'm loving from your videos is the discussion and the exchange of ideas in the comments. It's so nice.
I kinda disagree with the point about Daniel and how he wanted to hear what Claudia wrote about her own assault, im an archivist and i took it as more "hes a journalist, and editorializing other people's story for sensitivities isnt good. Claudia wrote what happened and its a part of her story, and Louis had already lied to Daniel and messed with the story before. Its hard but revisiting history but getting a real picture includes the unpleasant parts"
Louis sanatizing her story (not to say we had to go into greusome details as the audience, but that it was a plot point relevant to Louis' whole arc) by directly ripping out pages of HER personal diary and taking away what little words of her remains, i think this connect to how he tells a very biased and warped version of events, and hes not presenting Claudia as she was, especially towards the end of the season.
Louis has a good heart but Daniel is right, anything he writes (i dont think he was implying he wasnt going to try to tell a nuanced story, hes been trying to get a rise out of loius and get him to confront himself since thhe beginning. In that scene hes bullying louis about editorializing and not giving full truths consistently) will be taken by readers as how they want, like how novokovs lolita is severly mischaracterized and misunderstood by the masses but is still a touted work of writing for a reason
Just my opinion tho, love the podcast!
Not to say Daniel Moloy isn't a jackass, I just think he's a different kind of jackass from how you interpreted him lol
@@j.jadams5477 exactly
I think regarding wanting to get full context and nuance in the story... Daniel was trying to do that! He was TRYING to get the exact events that happened in Claudia's own words and Louis was denying him that just saying "we know what happened... just you know use your imagination"... And Daniel was like "no, that's not good journalism I have to know exactly what happened actually to be able to write this with the correct context and nuance" even if people do take it out of context, which they will and make sexy Claudia halloween costumes because that's what people do... There are so many Halloween costumes out there of fucking horrific shit... people are going to do that and they don't have ANY control over people doing that... But then you can also kind of understand Louis being protective over Claudia even after all this time... That's understandable. But it's butting heads with Daniel attempting to do journalism properly... I think Daniel does understand that the journals are an important piece of nuance that he didn't have in the first interview. It's why he kind of grills Louis as to where the fuck the journals were the first time because they are important.
Exactly
We have to remember Daniel has already had to hear a very different version of the story 40 years ago and was attacked for his troubles for listen to Louis romantic version of events.
idk. his characterization makes him present every interaction as a battle (which it kinda is, he human talkin to a vampire). However there is also good journalism in respecting boundaries and possibly circling back. A lot of questions and facts don't get responded to in government interviews, for example. We don't say the journalist did a bad job because the interviewee denied to give a response.
@@harpbeat500 he has no reason to trust Louis
@@harpbeat500 Sure we do. If someone reads an article about someone being pardoned, people want to know all of the facts... If some of those facts arent there, we wonder why? If no good answer is given ("You know what happened."). Then we call into question the reasoning because we werent given the a to z's of it all. Side note: isnt it hypocritical for Louis to feel he can dictate what information he gives out... Yet he and Claudia have an issue with Lestat doing the very same thing??????????????
i think the annoying parts of daniel make him perfect for this job. like him being belligerent and insensitive is annoying. but it also gives him the ability to cut through some of the bs that louis has tried to hand him -- unknowingly or otherwise. daniel being a habitual line stepper and story chaser had him going back for a second interview with the vampire who almost killed him last time where anybody else would have declined and probably moved to a new city lol. but i also think daniel is still so enmeshed in the real world that for him he might as well be interviewing ted bundy as he talks about the hardships of raising the night stalker. so i can understand him being reluctant to feel for louis. but it's hard to watch when louis is baring his soul to someone who couldn't care less.
Really interesting discussion! I agree that Lestat and Louis were both selfish in their making of Claudia, ultimately it WAS never about her - they both wanted her for different reasons: Louis to appease his guilt and Lestat as a way to make Louis happy. What I disagree with you on is that I don't think this ever fundamentally changed, I think they both have used and continue to use Claudia for their own selfish purposes. Doesn't mean there isn't love there, just that it's at its core a selfish one.
I really am loving your dissections on this whole series. I'm a huge fan of the Vampire Chronicles books and it actually amazes me that we are starting conversations on the intentions of the characters. In the case of Lestat being the "villain", he's only that in Louis and Armand's eyes and for understandable reasons; For Louis, Lestat felt like he was the reason he never wanted to be a Vampire and for Armand, it's mostly out of envy and resentment. To simply say that either Lestat, Louis, Armand or even Claudia are "villains" is too simple because what they really are are just nuanced people who are trapped in this abusive cycle of vampirism that not only damages their relationships with people they care about, but also with themselves. In a way, it's like Evangelion because it consists of a cast of broken characters that have a hidden ugliness that is judged mercilessly because they all have issues with their self-worth. I see it in all of the characters. I like to think Daniel is us, the audience, trying to process if we can cope with understanding broken traumatized individuals, despite that they do horrible inexcusable things. This is why I think the series is increidlbe and worth analyzing and i'm glad people are starting to talk about it.
It is interesting seeing people react to only this half of the story because it seems very cut and dry but the last two episodes and then part 2 really do reframe a lot of the 1st half especially after a curtain character enters the narrative.
I can’t wait for y’all to see how the story unfolds. I’m rewatching the eps with y’all and I’m really enjoying hearing your thoughts. Makes me look at things differently.
14:53 I think you do have to take into account that Daniel is a seasoned investigative journalist... He has handled interviews with extremely extremely dark topics (we know this because in the first episode there were brief shots of all the books that he had written over his career)... And people who have been in those types of environments do have to emotionally disconnect from what topics they're actually being confronted with... It's similar to what therapists have to do. I've read interviews that therapists have done and they do a very very similar thing. They HAVE to emotionally disconnect and engage in only a little bit of empathy...they CAN'T have full empathy about a situation... It's just emotionally devastating to do that over and over and over again and so Daniel is at the very end of his career... He is very well practiced in not being empathetic... He is still slightly empathetic to the situation and does seem to genuinely like Claudia as a person... But his career lasted as long as it did... He's probably slightly trained himself to not be empathetic, if doing so doesn't come naturally to him and it absolutely does come naturally to some people.... So yeah he comes off as cold and a bit of an asshole with his prodding that he read Claudia's perspective on EXACTLY what happened to her in her words...which is some of his natural personality from the books, absolutely! But also he's an investigative journalist at the end of his career(compared to being at the beginning of his career in the books and the movie)... It just makes sense for him to be interacting with Louis in the way that he is.... But yeah none of the characters in the books or in this show are good people, Daniel included. This isn't a show for black and white thinking ...everyone fucking sucks in some way and is good in other ways... There are very few characters within Anne Rice's books that are just purely purely fucking horrible with absolutely no redeemable traits... But also there is pretty much no one who's a solely good person either.
So yeah Daniel absolutely is meant to be a reflection of the audience but he still is a character that is in the books that has certain personality traits that they are displaying in the show as well he's not a complete blank slate audience proxy... But yeah I would say that a LOT of his lack of empathy that he is showing in the show absolutely has to do with his career and how long he has been in the specific career.
As always it's a pleasure to hear yall takes I'm interested to see how they develop in the second season..
Honestly the thing that makes the show so good in my opinion is that it let's you make up your mind about characters and none of them are simple or 2 dimensional.
Yall are supposed to hate lestat at this point and the show makes it a point of not excusing his behaviour even in the second season all you are given is more context for the actions so you can have somewhat of a fuller frame but personally I don't think it excuses what he does to Louis. And when that additional is added it's mainly again through Louis's retelling of the tale still so even that is biased.
Also I think the tragedy of the show lies in the fact that Louis loves lestat and lestat loves Louis but neither of them know how to show that love in a healthy way because everything that is wrong in their relationship comes from their own mental hang ups and/or mental health issues that they never dealt with properly.
The way they choose to deal with their feelings is unhealthy and the way they choose to fill the void they feel is absolutely horrendous and as a result they dragged clauidia into this mess with them and ultimately ruined this little girls life by prolonging her suffering. It's tragic as hell
The end credit song is written and performed by Charles Manson which is so twisted and fitting especially with what Daniel said in the episode. Love this podcast! Your breakdowns are so thorough and I can wait for you both to keep watching.
In this episode, Lestat is a villain however, I think they were both equally selfish for Claudia. Louis wanted her made out of guilt and Lestat created her to Keep Louis with him. Lestat was right when he said it was never about her, that was the cruelest part. They both used her to temporarily resolve their own issues and our poor sweet Claudia suffered as a result. Also, Remember this is Daniel Malloy's second interview with Louis. Louis is acting very different from the first. I think he is being purposely antagonistic to try and pull something Less scripted and more from the heart from Louis Especially when speaking about Claudia. He puts so much emotional distance between himself and his relationships that he often "overreacts" when being pushed. Vampires are just complicated monsters. It shows us How Unreliable a narrator can be if they aren't pushed to find out what really Happened.
While there are moments in which I do have sympathy for Claudia. I agree with Daniel making comparisons to her being like Charles Manson/serial killer because at the end of the day isn’t that what she is ? Or at least part of who she is . She’s murdered countless people and mutilated corpses of her victims. To many people she would be considered a monster in real life. I don’t think Daniel has lack of empathy for the vampires/claudia . It’s more he’s not going to romanticize her actions and make her out to be a complete victim and is going to call out the B.S. and that goes for Lestat and Louis . Lastly Daniel is a journalist and his job there is telling a biography of Louis . Which includes things that may be uncovering uncomfortable truths that happened. Which Louis knew this going in.
On Daniel Malloy, I think his perspective is informed by his lived experience as a journalist . He as seen the slow degradation of the truth in media, amplified by the ever growing hunger for money (not unlike a vampire's thirst for blood). Also I don't think that he has a complete disregard for them as people. He wouldn't be able to get help Louis articulate his thoughts and call out his bs if he wasn't able to connect on that level. I think that he is reasonably guarded though. We are talking about an old man interviewing a powerful vampire that almost killed him 50 years ago. That earns him some snark in my book.
Once y'all meet Gabrielle - Lestat's Mama - a whole lot more about him is going to make sense.
I think Lestat also feels like Louis resents him for turning him the same way that Nicki harboured resentment towards him for turning Gabrielle first, and other reasons. And let's be honest, even if Louis made it through the night unturned, his mother would have sent him over the edge again. And he likely would have ended his life. He knows what the Vampires in Europe were like. The minute Armand saw Claudia would have quite possibly been the end of her. He knows the history of Vampires but cant tell them because it will put all their lives in danger. So spending decades with someone you believe you saved and gave the opportunity to be their true selves only to have to come to terms with the fact that they don't love you and never will (Louis loves that man), his abandonment issues and i think, to some extent, Nicki's death, the cup had overflown. Sadly, he took it out on them. And yes, I i agree that Lestat feels like hes doing everything that he should and is perturbed by the fact that his affections aren't being returned.
Nah there is absolutely no context that would make what Lestat did remotely okay or justifiable. Nothing. And that is fine.
Edit to add : Daniel's lack of empathy is very intentional in the story.
No spoilers but I'm personally satisfied with the way his attitude has been written and explained within the story. His insistence in season 1 episodes to view these characters harshly and the way he runs from feeling any empathy is very deliberate. To be fair, one of the first claudia diaries he picks up mention claudia drinking the blood of prisoners of war and this is a human who still views these vampires as remorseless murderers so it tracks that he would focus on that 😅
This! Thank You. I think people (fans) are uncomfortable just sitting with that & how other people (fans) can sit with it & not be okay with it.
@@yosrafaiz9857 PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER ONE
shiiiiiiit! 🙋🏾♀️ I do. But Im not explaining why cause its spoilery.
Claudia in the book was only 5 years old. Was some much crazier.
@@TheErikBallew omg that sounds stressful as hell 😭
In the books, Claudia is only 5. Think about the 5 year olds you know. To eternally have the inability to really regulate your emotions. She’s in love with a man who only sees her as his child and because of your outward appearance of a five year old, it’s almost impossible to leave the situation. Her story is truly tragic.
I guess you forgot that Daniel was attacked by Louis during their meeting in the first interview in the 1970’s so yes Daniel has an attitude towards Louis and Claudia because he has experienced the bite of a vampire so his view is through that human lens. Also Louis withholds from Lestat any amount of love and attention as a form of control as his way of controlling the circumstances after Claudia leaves which is messy in it self. This show makes you forget they are Vampires and monsters but that is what they are beings that kill every night to survive. And I agree with Daniel that once you release your art or writing to the world you can’t control how others interpret that work
This show is so good, look how interesting the conversations surrounding it are, well done! In comparison, some shows are so basic
15:39 There’s a very high pitched whining ringing sound coming from the podcast sound equipment when you guys speak. I have tried disconnecting from my pill but it’s still here. I loved the pod otherwise I stuck it through!
This episode was so tough to watch. 1. You could tell Louis was stuck in the middle and didn’t want to choose between his husband and daughter. Also, do you know why Lestat bit him? The last time he bit him was in episode 1, where they were intimate, and they levitated. But I wasn't sure if it was meant to weaken him, so he has no choice but to stay and heal, or do you think he wanted force a “physical” connection? I know they haven't been intimate in 5 years, and Lestat said " I choose you".
@00:50 - let’s remember these words when they watch season 2. This will be interesting when they catch up! Remember Lestat is the main character of this entire series and is loved just as much if not more than Louis
Yea but the characters in the show are not the same as the ones in the original. And the racist element is new. And after watching season 2 I still think Lestat is racist as hell. Also I don’t believe Claudia is lying in her diaries
@@SaintJawn Claudia in her diaries: 'i dont dream', Claudia when sleeping: dreaming
6:34 yeah, we will learn in future seasons Lestats FULL backstory... But without any spoilers to specific details BOTH of Lestat's parents were EXTREMELY abusive, even for the time period that he lived in... So he literally has NEVER been shown what healthy love looks like... And so of course he can't healthily love somebody in a relationship... his parents fucking SUCKED and didn't provide a good example of what love looks like. He was a significantly better parent to Claudia then his parents EVER were to him... He probably thought he was doing a decent job raising her...probably thought that he was treating her really REALLY well, in comparison...but he grew up in the 1700s, whereas Louis and Claudia didn't... And so they STILL saw the toxicity and abusive unhealthy behavior that he was displaying.
So yeah, you guys hit the nail on the head with that one... Lestat literally doesn't know how to love properly, absolutely. He tries his best... but it always turns toxic and unhealthy. And all of this isn't to excuse his behavior but it absolutely gives an explanation as to WHY he behaves the way that he does.
It seems like you guys picked up on that a lot quicker than some other people who have watched this show!
i can't completely hate lestat because i love sam reid
I mean he did technically save him... Louis was going to take his life the night of the church scene, from what Jacob Anderson has said in interviews about that episode... Louis even verbally says "I want to die"... And so Lestat DID technically save Louis life by extending it and turning him into a vampire... Because he THOUGHT that Louis would take to vampirism well... but he clearly didn't. But it is an objective fact that Lestat saved Louis, in the show.
@@AnxietyRat guess it depends on what we mean by “save”. Louis yells at Lestat saying he “took” his life.
@@ourcrazystupidpodcastThats cause Louis is insufferable. Lol
@@Pooobaihr23 yeah, I think him saying Lestat "took his life" was like... Him just throwing it in lestat's face because he doesn't have ANY other argument in that argument they were having...I don't think he truly believes it. He just needed SOMETHING to throw back in Lestats face. 🤷♀️ And like he has no argument against Lestat bringing up his vampiric eating disorder, essentially.... And so he just defaulted to like "waaahh YOU ruined my life, though. It's actually your fault!" like ..A bit goofy tbh. 🤣🤣🤣
@@ourcrazystupidpodcast he is frustrated, and he ran out of arguments to make. And as the narrative progressed, Louis acknowledged that there is no universe where he doesn't choose Lestat and vampirism eventually (2x08)
@@ourcrazystupidpodcast he replaced one trauma with another . The problem is Louis has ptsd
You guys need to wait till season 2😅😂 you will kinda understand a lot of reasons
Your point about Malloy is interesting but I don’t fully agree. I think Malloy is still angry at Louis for attacking him 50 years ago and that’s where his lack of sympathy for Claudia comes from. I also agree that Louis hasn’t been an entirely truthful narrator and Malloy is just trying to find out the truth. But tbh I’m glad they didnt show us what happened to her. She says a little bit more about it in season 2 and from what little she says, it’s clear the situation was worse than just being r*ped once by that guy. However I do appreciate Malloy constantly challenging Louis and attempting to draw out the truth from him/help him to remember what rly happened bcuz Louis contradicts himself a lot. Malloy is definitely an asshole but his character is also kinda funny and he asks a lot of the questions I wanna know too! Also the actor playing Malloy said in an interview something about him channeling his fear of Louis into anger, so every time he’s afraid of Louis he just gets more angry/mean/blunt.
"If what I read about the other Vampires is lies, tell me what is true."
LESTAT: They are VICIOUS....
That is all they needed to know. That is it in a nutshell. He didnt withhold... He told them. Every time they asked about the other vampires that they were monstrous compared to him. I think many people look over this. Each and every time they ask things, he tells them what he can.
@@Pooobaihr23 i think the nuance that people sometimes gloss over when they maintain that Lestat warns Claudia and Louis about other vampires is that at that point in the story Louis and Claudia have very little trust in him. Lestat's protectiveness is often overshadowed by his secrecy and his seemingly possessive and selfish brand of love. I love all of these characters but from Louis and Claudia's pov, its understandable that they have little reason to believe Lestat at that point. They have both been feeling isolated for so long (which while not directly caused by Lestat was caused by their turning and Lestat is their maker) Claudia craves community because of her unique circumstances and it makes sense that she chose to regard Lestat as her jailor because while they are both responsible for her turning, its a lot harder for her to blame Daddy Lou than it is to blame uncle Les.
I actually like eric version of Daniel malloy he's way better than Christian Slater to me Daniel is right once the book comes out people will see it in there own way
Fam listen to me lol no matter what people in these comments say about Lestat.
Lestat is Lestat. You can have empathy for him like Killmonger, Wanda Maximoff, Thanos, etc
But he is , who he is
Daniel Malloy is & will always be a jerk. Never liked him, still don’t. He has his own demons & struggles & that’s never okay to take it out on somebody else.
I liked his version in the movie better he was less (jerky). The tv show Daniel, I strongly dislike. But I guess that makes him a good actor, he reeks of entitlement & privilege
I think he also harbors resentment toward Louis for [S2 spoiler redacted]. Him now having an incurable autoimmune disease adds to that resentment.
Daniel interview Louis is not a privilege Louis literally attacked him in the past. He want full transparency as a journalist
Hot take I view people who dislike Daniel are too empathetic of Louis and somewhat baby him
@@eboysallah9397 so what ☹️😂
Even with nuance (I’ve seen the two seasons), the relationship was still abusive.
Is Lestat a villain? In short, not really? It's complex. But he's far from being "good," either. He's a monster. All of them are, in one way or another. You also have to remember not to take what you're seeing at face value. We're not dealing with reliable narration, which you'll discover more as things go on. Just because you're watching a scene play out on the screen doesn't mean that's what really happened, and you may see different versions of certain scenes in the future and have to parse through that information to try and figure out what the truth is.
and interesting thing about the show is that everything we see in the past line is throught the POV of the characters and we can never know if it is 100% how it really happend
For now the only POVs that have been shown are Louis and Claudia, so of course that Lestat is the villain and Claudia/Louis are the victims, maybe if we saw Lestat POV or what really happend every thing will be more equal in terms of villain/victims
Imma believe the Black folks over a white man any day. Claudia’s diaries were written in real time. I don’t believe she was lying
Loving the discussion. I don't see Louis's perspective of agency towards Claudia any better than Lestat's perspective towards Louis. Louis was going to kill himself after Claudia left him. Seems like he wanted her to live with the guilt of his death for the rest of her life. He would have been controlling beyond the grave.
“He wanted her to live with the guilt of his death,” is not consistent with the narrative.
@mookieluvsyu Maybe so, maybe not. What he said and what he would have actually accomplished, are indeed inconsistent. I see Louis as someone with a victim mentality. In my experience, folks who live their lives as victims, whether passive or directly, establish others as the perpetrator.
I think as viewers we feel empathy for the vampires because we know its fiction, but for Molloy its very real, he is a human in the den of a predator that can kill him at any moment. I don't think it would make sense for him to be like "I feel your pain" right off the bat. We see some character progression from him in season 2, as he spends more time with Louis and gets deeper into the story, he starts to empathize more. Ultimately It's his stubbornness and determination that make him think that he can even get this story in the first place.
I also think him telling Louis that "once you put your story out there you can't really control how people take it", was one of his few empathetic moments in S1. I saw it more as a commentary on mass media and modern culture where no matter how sincere, there's always going to be people who wont necessarily receive it in the spirit it was intended.
You know for sure there is going to be a different groups online, some saying Louis has admitted to a series of murders, he should be in jail, he should get the death penalty, if he really cared about humanity he should gather as many vamps together and self exit instead of preying on them, others will be like he's the real God lets go worship him and offer our selves to vampires as sacrifices, some will impose their romantic or sexual fantasies on them and some will be like I have a gun and can rig a home made bomb "I'm now a vampire hunter".
I love this show it makes people think. But i did not go that route. My one thing is i didn't get louis ever wanting to leave lestat. And Claudia never asked Louis if he wanted to leave. Love your thoughts though
I mean Claudia did ask Louis in his mind to leave with her... She never said it out loud but she said it telepathically and Lestat assumed that that is what she was saying when they were staring at each other intently... From the very beginning he seems to understand when they are telepathically communicating with each other at times.
@AnxietyRat yes im talking about when she walked in that after being gone for 7 years. She came in and said, "Come with me louis" after the DROP. They should have left and not stayed in Lestats house. I would pissed out. Lestat cant read my mind anyway so he wouldn't have been able to fine me
@@jestinathomas300 He didnt want to leave at all. I cant wait til season 3.. unfortunately a lot of folks are probably going to get mad tho because things will be from Lestat's POV, which in the books, is essentially the truth of it all... And If he paints Louis in a different light than how he explained himself... Folks are gonna be mad. The thing people arent realizing though is that the truth is in the clues. Louis said himself in episode 1, "I was a rougher thing, then.". Where?? Cause all we've seen was a couple things and I wouldnt call that rough. Lol he left out a LOT of stuff. Lol
@@jestinathomas300 yeah I don't think Louis wanted to leave even if he physically could have ...which he couldn't for a good couple of months, anyways... Because he could not verbally say to Lestat that he didn't love him, directly before the drop. He could only say let go of me not I don't love you... So he still loved Lestat... Even after he had fully healed... he didn't WANT to leave the townhouse when he absolutely could have.
If I was in Louis' shoes I probably would have left as well...but we are not Louis.... There are absolutely ways that Lestat could have found them if they did leave even if he cannot read Louis mind, unfortunately.... And maybe the show will depict that in future seasons. Idk. But yeah, Lestat not being able to read Louis' mind would NOT give them blanket immunity from him if they got the fuck out and left town. Not with how Anne Rice's vampires work, IIRC.
@@Pooobaihr23 small reminder that book Louis is 1973 Louis. And we know 1973 Louis was lying to Daniel from episode 1. The show established that the book interview with the vampire is the interview that never got published. So it follows that the one that gets made in Dubai is a lot more truthful already.
Sam Reid has also made it a point to say in an sdcc interview that he doesnt think Louis' version of events should be discounted.
And lestat did saved Louis, Louis wanted to dieee... He is suicidal.. Wait till season 2 and you will understand that louis is very suicidal person. He would have died if lestat didnt turned him.. Is just how he is
sorry, i totally disagree...we can't discuss it now...don't want to spoil it for them...