The Ottoman war -- a comparative perspective on WWI
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- Опубликовано: 11 июн 2014
- What is different about the Ottoman war? -- A comparative perspective on WWI. The experience of World War I in the Ottoman Empire was substantially different from that in other belligerent countries in Europe. This was true for the outbreak of war, the war years themselves, and the aftermath of the war.
It is now 100 years since the onset of World War I. Our picture of this war has been shaped to a great extent by visions of the war enthusiasm of 1914, by the mud and trenches of Flanders and the Somme, and by the revolutions of 1917-18, all of them European phenomena. The argument of this lecture is that the experience of World War I in the Ottoman Empire was substantially different from that in other belligerent countries in Europe. This was true for the outbreak of war, the war years themselves, and the aftermath of the war.
Open lecture by renowned historian Erik J. Zürcher, Affilated Professor at Stockholm University Institute for Turkish Studies (SUITS) and Professor of Turkish Studies, Leiden University.
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Professor I still remember you loved the lecture.
For your convenience here is an index of the lecture:
[03:35] 5 Differences: outbreak, nature, effects on population, the end and the political legacy
[06:37] Spirit of 1914 or war enthusiasm. Ottoman Empire was different regarding:
[08:00] 1- Outbreak of war
[16:20] 2- Nature of warfare
[25:14 ] 3- Effects on population
[31:54] 4- WW1's end
[41:58] 5- Political legacy
[54:53] Q&A
Enjoy!
Very decent of you.
Gracias por este contenido, saludos desde Colombia.
A Nederlander in Sweden talking about Turkey. All in the English language!
Truely lovely in my opinion. I will share your view, Maybe if turkey doesn't produce crazy theory that even the sumerians were turkic, or if they fully acknowledge the amenian genocide. Then the non-turkic people may want to hear what the turks have to say.
@@bljones9383 ıts not a theory. ıf you dıg ıt up you can fınd very ınterestıng thıngs. hıstory of turks ıs so much dıfferent then the publıc opınıon around the world.
No surprise, science is international. At the University of Leyden there is a long tradition of Ottoman studies who study documents written in the old Arabic script.
@@bljones9383 The Armenians sided against us in battle. They were NOT oppressed. This is called treachery. Treason is punishable by death and yet, they were forced to resettle. This is not a genocide in any shape or form.
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No no we say we where the first people of the world and Giants on earth.
Thank you for your time guys very nicely done ✔️
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Such a wonderful lecture
Very good survey of the topic.
Not just informative, but a well analysed lecture as well.
very interesting and informative
Why didnt they strike at the railroad system rather than trying to land on a terrain at gallipoli that is very difficult to navigate in. They could have potentially been able to prevent resources from germany coming in. Putting a blockade up also at where the narrow area of sea opens up into mediterranean sea.
How can there be a period of 40 year peace in Europe when there were for example two Balkan wars in the years before 1914? Is the Balkan not part of Europe?
because they class the "limited wars" as NOT COUNTING as wars i think? Balkan wars.crimea,franco-prussian, as not being wars!!! They're looking for "general engagements" like napoleonic,or the 3o years war,or either ww1 or ww2---anything else doesnt count as a war!! This talk at least counts the franco-prussian as a war!!! Many of these talks say europe hadnt been at war since Waterloo!!!! O KNOW---its incredible isn't it!!! Strange way to define war & peace if you ask me?!
You are right. This is writing the Ottoman Empire out of European history. Moreover, the other wars outside Europe had apart from the local population, directly affected European states and diplomacy as well.
Moreover, there was a charged atmosphere because of the successful terrorist attacks and political murders of the Austrian-Hungarian Empress, Russian Tsar, Italian King, American President around 1900, and several failed attempts. What era of peace and prosperity are we talking about?
@@AlbertSchramI guess it was wrongly phrased, but you're also arguing for no reason.
Yes, the Balkans are in Europe, but it doesn't take a PhD to understand that here, Europe refees to the largest belligerants of WW1, that is France, Germany, the UK, etc.
Also, yes. In these regions, peace prevailed, at least on their territories. Terrorism did exist indeed, but as terrorism today, the actual number of victims of terrorism was irrelevant. Especially when compared with the mass graveyard of 1914-1918.
US Ambassador Morgenthau wrote about the Armenian Genocide. It's the definitive firsthand account of Ottoman deportation and genocide policy.
11:47 "They (Balkans/Thrace) had been Ottoman for longer than most of Anatolia"
That is because, prior to Mehmed II conquering Constantinople (1453),
his father Murad II had conquered lands encircling Constantinople.
At this time ~1450, most of Anatolia was not Ottoman.
What was the rest of Anatolia at that time ~1450 ?
Good question.
Well Timur (Tamerlane) died in 1405, and he left Anatolia with a semi-Seljuk Beylik arrangement. There was an Interregnum/civil war amongst the Ottoman contenders, from which Mehmed I emerged victorious.
Armenia history :-
"After Tamerlane's death, Anatolia becomes a battleground between the rival tribal confederations of the Ak Koyunlu and the Kara Koyunlu. "
english subtitles please
Mосковская орда должна распасться т к смысла в ее существовании нет. Нынешняя элита Неспособна на Реформы, общество неспособно на революцию, поэтому будет продолжаться гниение, которое закончится распадом, т к и затяжное гниение тоже всех утомит.
oh poor ottoman empire…such a nice experience it was in the advancement of science arts philosophy….really?It was a corrupt and most of all VIOLENT state that brought back all of those who were subjugated.That was why they were all running away like rats on a sinking ship.Not only because of power games,as your lecture indicates,Proff.Zuercher.
It was a corrupt and most of all VIOLENT state that brought back all of those who were subjugated ?
just like any other empire. Please compare how britis treated indians and afrikans and how ottomans treated serbs greeks jews araps
They were ok until they corrupt themselves by letting outsiders into the Palace and trusting too much to their subjects forgetting their original roots and culture
Ah yes another christian
@@ryojs4286 oh yes another great comment dividing the world according to religion
@@AZ-vg6li thats how it works
Christians themselves created liberalism and the woke
Fucking ace
Look for the history of oil, ore anything with WW1 and oil
Even Tukish perception (our) of the events is far from truth & even conflicts within...
This is the reason why Turks go "overreactive" when mainly Armenian issue is opened...
Definitions of the speaker can be wrong but understantable...
Eg/ Young Turks: Student revolt who sent to France, saw the environment, demanded same inside...
Where invided to Palace; explained
politely (they were sent by sultan for education in purpose helping reformations already on the way)
simply not blamed even granted;
but asked to be patient...
Sultans program done by scholars local & import was not so different
than those of Kemal Pashas, far more "logical"...
( Today by law we have to wear western hat, 7-25 yr imprisonment, law cannot be questioned)
Well no one gives a crap... Practically doesnt exist...
İ.T (C.U.P) military secret org. After coup legal political party...
* Army
* Media
* Religion
All of whom their men...
Their mission ( when enlisted you loudly swear) does not have one single word "Turk" & "Turkish"...
They never had a nationalistic doctrine...
They were clowns in diplomacy...
(Said-i Nur's followers & Freemasons
same idea ?? But same party ?? Same cause ??)
Cause was simple:
* Serve "Devlet-i Âliyye" and the family on charge "Hanedan-ı Aali Osman" (if necessary dethorning)
Turkish & Armenian issue cannot be understood by any means since its not a Turkish & Armenian issue anyway... (Name of State)
When I first intr
Devlet-i Aliyye" is called Osmanlı's by Turks... Turkey by west since 1300s...
Me: @ 16 in USA first time hearing about it...
- İdiots ..
" 1915 event & Shame on Turkey slogans..."
Let them bark... I wont even bother those cant do math...
Well reason is history we had
Turks Huns Gokturks %5
Selcuks %2
Ottomans %3
ATATURK %10
ATATURK HOW GREAT İS % 35
STANDİNG & THANKİNG & SİNGİNG
TO A STONE: % 50
From age 5-16 (early finished)
After UCONN 20-22 in military
"SAME" while shootin & runnin & jumpin & cleanin...
Blue barret i was (wife of Reds)
100m run stop shoot 400 yard...
if below 2/3...
* Slap-Spit till Red barret sees red in spit...
* Run & Salute His Majesty's Stone
Apologize...
* Run back salute officer
* Red: He forgave you?
* No
* Go again...
BTW: Same Army in PKK, Syria area orders read Koran together...
Hipocrat mofos...
When I hear
"Founder Of Modern Turkey"
"Father of Turks"
I say; ok I was saying same...
But I was brainfucked...
That guy thinks Turks live on trees
some came, teaching how to eat seat wear speedos instead what adam eve wore ??
Even before Selcuks if asked to be called "Ataturk" whom asks would be behaded since its an insult to Khans ancestors...
Im not a Ottomanist Or any Xxx-ist
But Kemal was a sick man havin
"Narsistic Personality Disorder"
whom never to be blamed since he was sick and dead...
His followers were my teachers...
They are my enemies...
You cannot do that to a 5 yr old...
Another narsist we have now but not my business im 32 & I can give his
worshipin idiots the "🖕"...
********
Not advocating...
Bayezid 1 & Lazarevic walked to
death to protect 2 fugutives
Bayezid 2 ( Continent Damded he Protected Jews)
Abdulmecid sacrificed 150,000 & his health since when
Russians : Give Hungarians or WAR
Sultan : 🖕
This is not a chair...
A tradition im obliged to serve...
*******
Armenian Genocide
Sorry but Those you blame ended 1908....
Puppets cannot order nor sighn..
3 Morons & MuslimTribes
3 of em u know by name
All assasinated by armenians...
Case closed...
Turks & Kurds & Burglars & Revengers & Viruses & Hunger
Turkey has to hang C.U.P at first in
history books...
Neo-Ottomans even love Enver....
Armenian Diaspora just cares $$$
since no else they have to eat...
Turkish style only helps those hipocrats marching with PKK
on NY streets...
Excuse me but they also are double faced hipocrats...
So no offence to anyone
but those tear their asses to
hear an apology...
Here... Take... 🖕🖕🖕🖕
Truth is Those in Charge Killed More Than an Ethnic Group...
They Vanished All....
Do I go around say Shame on CUP ??
No
They are gone...
Brother, kindly fix your grammar abd sentence structure. I was beyond confused
me too@@ryojs4286