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MSI Z790i EDGE WIFI: Load Line Calibration and Vcore regulation
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the second view is mine!
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I wanna see a dual rank OC to 7000 I was getting some crazy frames in modded Minecraft with 6400C32 64GB
Mind blowing
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Would be great if we could see what CPU LITELOAD does in terms of the spectrometers on MSI boards like this one, lots of videos out there on youtube, but no one knows what really does, like if was MSI secret sauce.
Even MSI has no real idea of what it does... They pummel real engineers down into useless bio sauce once marketing goals are met, and feed BS messaging to "support" personnel with ZERO actual knowledge or training, but like to SPEAK with authority, based on "messaging" they are fed, that their actual knowledge cannot support.
A.K.A. basic corporate bullshit.
I think thats the prettiest thumbnail youve done yet.
llc saturation with llc mode 8 vdroop is even better when used with a chiller/direct die on a seemingly very decent 13900KS and ddr5 8000 kit.
The z790i mb modified to set above the lancool III case tray, allowing the high flow Phanteks t30 120mm fans to envelop the board all around with low temp ambient air.
As BZ stated "more heat=more voltage " oops he said "more heat more vdroop" not easy cooling a tiny ITX.
Because of the high airflow and my preference of using only a few cores in many scenarios i achieve excellent Vrout/idle results on these settings.
I noticed real quick when LLC Saturation started to stabilize my high ram OC like the 8800 profile and the 8000 cl32.
I wished he had followed through with his idea to demonstrate the switching frequencies in conjunction with the llc settings!
I haven't noticed any weird issues yet experimenting with any of the switching frequencies including the dram switching even up to1500Khz, while simultaneously enabling Saturation + mode 8 llc at 6.4Ghz all core /8400 34 45 45 34/ and a tiny BCLK bump on top for 6430 Mhz fun....
Saturation + Mode 8 daily here...
I'm currently working on the igpu 2.5Ghz max clock voltage regulation that will be combined with the 6.4Ghz OC for fun!
I'll definitely start plugging in the Saturation values even more now that BZ admits it's a great and wonderful tool on MSI mbs!
I almost bought that Rigol Oscilloscope myself last month to do just this. Trial and error + guessing takes much longer to come to these conclusions. I was waiting on you BZ!!
Thanks for the video still!!
what stress tests did you run at 8000? because I can't get VST to run at all at 8000 on this board.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking
TM5/Absolute that's about a 1hr20min give or take. Hits ram and controller pretty good.
I can pass 8000 at vdimm 1.4v probably I ran it awhile that low just to see. Way lower voltages than my other kits.
I only plugged n played and tested xmp mostly. For instance I passed it on 8200 also by just raising the dram speed and vdd2 some left at 1.45 vdimm .
Where saturation saved me is that it took me longer to get comfortable just raising the vdimm immediately well above anything else.
Now i know vdimm is #1 first thing just yeet it.
First time I ran 1.68-1.7 was getting cl32 44 44 34 or it was 45 44.
8400 is pretty easy, and so is 8600 to play games tweaked out.
Oh I also run ring at 5.4 majority of the time so aida64 44ns or lower but yeah I miss MLC on 12th gen oh well.
And this 8000 kit is my 6th since 2021. Also by far my best kit yet, I got it on a whim and thought it wouldn't be better than my other A die. Oh well.
My highest clocks are just fun profiles and don't want to stress them but might when I get a Apex.
Oh, ha! First time I switched on the new kit on this combination I was testing one stick at a time to find best slot and stick. It immediately booted 8800 in slot B1 with very little extra voltage. To get both stick to boot into windows and play around I needed a lot more vdimm. Slot A1 needs too much attention to make it worthwhile.
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.. If the imc can be helped..
As I stated my A1 slot needs more attention than B1 but before I figured this out I found that my original choice of the best stick may have been incorrect.
So I switched the sticks around one more time as I was pushing the lowest latency tweaks yet on this 8000 kit but felt like I hit a wall.
Well, switching that ram around again was the largest improvement on this mb next to yeeting vdimm voltages to open up more headroom.
I had assumed the msi memory force indicator being longer than the other stick indicator meant less potential.
So now I wonder if longer the memory force indicator the higher possibility that stick has more headroom available.
This guy overclocks
15:40 mos fan be liking real speed
Thanks BZ! Trying to tune 13600k/z790 tomahawk d5 here. Currently using adaptive Vcore 1.25 @ LLC mode 3 (flat vdroop from HWINFO reading at 1.302-1.306v max idle-full load) to get 5.5-all P core / 4.3-all E core.
- How would one go about trying LLC mode 8 with LL saturation without osciloscope?
- Can the LLC mode 8 + LL saturation be used with adaptive voltage? Trying to keep dynamic voltage here. And as I understand Override Voltage = fixed voltage on these MSI boards?
- For durability/life span, is fixed Vcore with Vdroop safe? Or is it better try keep dynamic voltage?
as someone who's just put together an MSI Z590 system (i7-11700K - it's a test machine), it's vaguely ridiculous to be seeing 5.2GHz and 6800 MT/s in the BIOS! The last 2 years have been ... consequential.
11th gen is very under rated in my opinion especially since a lot of people with 12th/13th gen turning off e cores for gaming
@@zacharymorrison4298 I kind of agree, which is one reason I got it. I do have an Alder Lake system (i9) which is very impressive, but since I built it a year ago I'm not spending any time in the BIOS. I'm regularly looking at 3200 and 3.6 instead.
29:15 Imagine MSI releasing bios update with settings exactly from this video!
What does it means? Maybe new Buildzoid edition hardware 🤔
Isnt the saturation point just a trigger point for when to activate LLC? So in windows with no load you dont neeed LLC which apply more more voltage. And when you start a heavy program current draws goes above the set amps and LLC is applied so the voltage wont collapse and cause a crash? I undervolt so my cpu doesnt reach max temp and clock down. I run 5.4all core at exactly 1.2V at all times. I dont want 1.3V at any times because a core will hit 90C and throttle down causing micro stutters in Pubg. I think this feature is best for high oc benchmarking where throttling effects isnt noticeable and you dont want to have a high static voltage in windows so the cpu gets degraded in a few years.
Hi! Pls test z690 unnify-x and 13900k
Old formula socket sense and llc4 not work now...
LLC saturation could make for some interesting singlecore boost and all core tuning. I dont want to think about sability testing that though 😂
thank Curmie
What best LLC and lite load for manual fixed clock's all core cpu oc?
also, im use 13700kf without e-cores and HT.
I am used 13700k p60 e48 u52 cpu loadline calibration is 3 and cpu aux loadline is mode 3 llc 3 is more good and other is auto
i am used 8200cl34 , 8000cl32 now cinebench r23 is 35124 and cinebench r24 is 2014 on Lianli A4-H2O SFX BUILD
MSI LLC is a mess, VCC Sense is nonsense and none of the lite load settings correspond to the actual AC/DC LL values.
Hello! what microphone do you use? upon recording these awesome videos!
Rode M2
So undervolting cpu is dangerous if you enable high LLC like mode 6 since it will lead to severe undershoot right? Or it's just this board? Thanks.
I’m new to this so please correct me if I’m wrong. For a proper overclock then the idea is to find the optimal voltage with an underclocked system the way you did it and from that point start the overclocking process until the system becomes unstable?
Question. If I have my graphics card in the PCI Gen 5 slot and my M.2 card in the Gen 5 slot ..that means both the graphics card and m.2 are sharing lanes to the cpu? So I'm only getting half the performance for both?
I just bought this mobo and building my first pc so I wanna make sure I get the right setup
In the motherboards website it does not state that. For example when that happens they clearly state it. But regardless, having the M2 on cpu one will give you less input lag.
Would love if someone can confirm on the lanes though.
@manoliskritikos925 I emailed MSI and they told me that gpu takes 16 lanes and m.2 takes 4 lanes.
@@Dymindntheruff this generation of intel (and amd) CPUs have 20 pcie lanes off the CPU so you can run CPU-attached M.2 drives w/o reducing GPU lanes
I have the Z790 carbon wifi, for me Mode 2 adds slight additional voltage when underload and mode 3 lowers it slightly, is it better to have a slight droop or a slight overvolt?
From the perspective of someone newer to 13th gen and this motherboard. Is it safe to say that llc8 and using the saturation feature is going to give best results? And should be used as default?
waht?!? is mode 1 or mode 8 killing my cpu´? more id never wantet know. so if i want improve the situation i have undervolt a litte and reduce for this the load line right? but what exatly mode i have to choose for lower the loadline a little? why cant just easy tell waht mode 1 causes other result than mode8?
Does LLC saturatiojn current increase lead to more heat of VRM? Isn't that an issue of the tech?
As for LLC - IDK much about that, but couldn't they be spaced out like 20 mV on first 5 and then 40 mV? Or maybe 40 mV all over? I seriously don't use this stuff on regular basis, so I don't know.
I will look into your description for the capture card you're using.
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I have z790 asrock pro rs im a bit confuse because the loadline calibration wont change automaticaly to level 1 even i OC everything (stayed at 4)
Was on my z690 ddr4 it changes auto to level 1 everytime i oc the cpu.
Anyone here have the same exp ? Thank you.
Will you be making another video about timings for ddr5 8000 mhz stable ?
What is your opinion of the rog strix z790 iTx
Hi mate, a little older I know but... I don't suppose you know anything about the mass/major issue with the MSI B450M Mortar (Inc Max) motherboards, constant CPU debug LED staying on. There are tons of posts about it. I didn't know this issue existed until I bought two of them to build two setups for the kids. Both arrived and caused me an absolute nightmare of troubleshooting. BOTH of them suffer the issue and are now just sat here as paperweights. Really does seem like a flaw/manufacturing defect of some sort.
Have obviously swapped every single component, CPU, GPU, CPU with integrated graphics, RAM, PSU, Hard drive, cables. Have also flashed each board to latest BIOS. One was on previous BIOS, one was on previous to that. Both now on latest. Still the issue persists. 'Restart' PC can work ten times in a row, then out of nowhere, five times in a row CPU debug. Same with shutting down/starting PC. Been so frustrating, it's near made me ill.
The problem with the higher mode is AVG voltage is far from the VIDs you set. Mode 5 is probably the best one, otherwise you have to run higher VID to get the actual voltage you want.
i'll update tonight from the beta. Here is the official bios update description. Must have gone live in the last couple of days because it obviously wasn't there on the bios date of creation.
Update CPU Micro code.
Update Mflash hotkey rule.
Modify secure boot setting.
Improve memory compatibility.
Support Foxville capsule update
AMI BIOS 7E03v14 2023-03-24 10.71 MB
Have nothing but Blue Screens on 1.40 on my z790i edge
@Nerdy Numen why?
That's normal when overclocking and tuning an mb/cpu. If you are not tuning and getting them, then obviously, you need to start tuning it.
@@rs199208 oc was fine on 1.30, stock bsod constantly on 1.40, are you stable on the bios??
@Nerdy Numen yes, I'm perfectly fine. I wonder if you are having an issue with the new llc saturation mb rules. I don't know what they changed in-between updates to the saturation, but did you happen to turn it on or off? It's on auto default. It would definitely mess with your OC badly if you didn't already have it setup. Your AC_LLC and vdroop wouldn't be operating under the rules you assumed before.
@Nerdy Numen yeah, 1.4 might be messed up more than I realized.
I took a break on the z790i, but before that, something was really off on 1.4. so i didn't bother with it.
Im not sure but I think higher LLC makes my mouse input in fps games better. Can anybody confirm?
So it makes no sense to set Load Line Calibration to something other than Mode 1?
What? He clearly said mode 7 and 8 worked best.
Buildzoid i have a video idea for you.
Back in the day i bought a AMD venice 3000+ e3 stepping s939 that thing was an overclocking monster at the time. Mine was rock solid on 183Mhz FSB x 15 multi, can't remember what the setting was called to dial back the Ram and Pci hz was called. Don't be discouraged when it won't boot at a certain Mhz. 1Mhz isn't the way with that chip you literally have to make 20Mhz+ jumps sometimes before it'd spring back into action. You should find one and have play with it Good Ocing fun just make sure it's the e3 stepping.
Do any modern boards have the means to limit / lock Pci-e and Ram to do some FSB clocking i miss it was great fine tuning CPUs. Especially when you're willing to make the jumps past what seem like walls . I did at one point do the math as to why and plotted probable ranges and had it way above but the hyperlink setting magiggy what have you meant pcie would start to be affected and my 6800 would literally cook itself at anything above 112mhz pcie but that was clocked and all kinds of BIOS faffing 😂
good fun
hey I had that CPU, still have it somewhere actually, not sure on stepping though and I never tried to overclock it (didn't do that back then). I remember it being actually slower in some things than the Athlon XP 2400+ it replaced, makes sense that it had room to overclock though.
Plenty of boards have external clock gens. Intel hasn't really tied PCIe speeds to clock speed since Coffee Lake. Don't know why the ram would matter in this day and age though.
You can look through hwbot, looking at chipsets, and see results well over 500MHz on Comet Lake for instance.
@@IK4MS he's talking about a platform that's 20 years old (AMD socket 939, it predates the first Intel core duo), so strap speeds were definitely a thing back then.
Speaking of intel core duo, I remember overclocking on some cheap lga775 mobos that wouldn't allow setting strap speeds (and wouldn't let you manually adjust the ratios of the things tied to FSB either) which made the FSB adjustment useless after a few mhz. My solution to that was the BSEL mod (using a circuit writer pen to short specific CPU pins to bump the FSB to 1066 or 1333) was a pain to do but I built quite a few cheap computers (Pentium dual core E2xxx/E5xxx + $50 motherboard) and got them running far better than they had any right to back then.
@@IK4MS Intel hasn't tied PCIe clock speed to base clock since the introduction of LGA1151. That's why SkyOC was possible in the first place.
very interesting video...i've watched this and tried using saturation with my 13700k + z790i edge mb. I've started pushing the saturation from 50A to 380A (max at 400A). i get like 7-14mv drop during loads at LLC 8 380A saturation. I don't have an oscilloscope so obviously i dunno if this has good or bad transient response during load compared to LLC 2/3...but ill give it a shot for daily usage
Once you get above 5 levels for LLC in a bios.... Why not just let people dial it in manually?
For pretty much any bios setting really. More than 5 choices is too many choices. If you need 7 settings have a slider or something instead. Speaking just from a user interface perspective here
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Can you tell me how can i get this waveform view? I am beginner in overclocking.
Get a €1500 scope with HDMI output.
@Wasmachineman na, $300 give ir take to find one. The best one for value currently $800 mid range kinda that can be hacked in order to unlock the $3000 model version features. Multiple manufacturers introduce a whole line with each model identical other than buy to unlock more.
You should really write yourself a script and do some editing so you don’t waste our time rambling on and on for an hour . The meaningful and factual information is about 15-17 minutes worth. best of luck to you
You do NOT need any LLC for any board.
Elaborate?
Please tell me this isn't about Intel IMC again? ;)
Well yes but actually no
@@mercuryrising9758 oh dear ;)
@@mercuryrising9758 possibly why he had some issues other than binning. Though he uses some terts pretty low for that high of already exceedingly high bandwidth. Saturation helped me get over 8000 stable at least to my tweaking satisfaction.
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Watching this... did you try "Auto" and see what the results were?
"concise" is not in his vocabulary
better to be rambly and info packed than short and devoid of anything meaningful. go watch techquickie if that's your thing...
@@zuckdaddy1596 hes just fucking around
@@zuckdaddy1596 yet it's not "info packed" at all. it's a waste of time trying to dig up diamonds from a pile of feces
@Tösel Treps the last part is the most informative when he discovers for the first time what llc saturation does especially in conjunction with llc mode 8.
I'm hoping his inquisitive mind will dig deeper on this new setting as it definitely helps me a lot since I'm not using a oscilloscope to figure it out. This setting is a game changer in my opinion for MSI. Asus already has a version of this I think? I look forward to his next videos on llc saturation!