The legal battle over The Verve’s song ‘Bittersweet Symphony’

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    The controversy over The Verve's song Bittersweet Symphony.

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  • @chain872005
    @chain872005 Год назад +545

    They should have gotten the rights back WAY sooner.

    • @1BigDaDo
      @1BigDaDo Год назад +9

      They used a copy of someone else's song and it got popular... They're supposed to make the money off someone else's beat ? Thats called copyright

    • @CrocTV42
      @CrocTV42 Год назад +27

      ​@@1BigDaDo 🤓

    • @567dirt8910
      @567dirt8910 Год назад +51

      The stones should have scoffed at the idea of taking a hit from a young band in the 90s. The stones were mega stars with more money then they could even count but was never enough

    • @laurencedavey3121
      @laurencedavey3121 Год назад +18

      Agreed, the stones were greedy.

    • @sophiec67
      @sophiec67 Год назад +15

      ⁠@@laurencedavey3121 it wasn’t the stones, it was their manager.

  • @amoonshot
    @amoonshot 11 месяцев назад +244

    Damn that’s a bittersweet symphony

    • @seanwallin4956
      @seanwallin4956 4 месяца назад +6

      😆👍

    • @riddler3856
      @riddler3856 4 месяца назад +7

      Like the Stones needed the money.

    • @ElceCole88
      @ElceCole88 24 дня назад

      The Stones and management are mammon dicks. Just give them their props and should feel good that they did good work with the track

  • @KyTaundry
    @KyTaundry 11 месяцев назад +197

    Kind of beautifully ironic how this song that went on to be a massive global hit worth millions, written about being a slave to money and struggling to make ends meet, earned the band nothing. The sentiment is no less strong though all these years later, it's a genuine masterpiece.

  • @Troughi
    @Troughi Год назад +221

    Thanks Mick! After 20 years of taking their millions of dollars.

    • @seanwallin4956
      @seanwallin4956 4 месяца назад +8

      No shit 👍

    • @jamesbarbour8400
      @jamesbarbour8400 2 месяца назад +10

      As if the Stones actually needed the money !

    • @Peekay9
      @Peekay9 17 дней назад +1

      @@jamesbarbour8400- Seriously. What do they do, wipe their asses with Benjamins? Give me a break.

    • @jamesbarbour8400
      @jamesbarbour8400 17 дней назад

      @@Peekay9 yes they probably do ! You can go on your break now boy.

  • @jakehewitt1491
    @jakehewitt1491 10 месяцев назад +105

    One if the most beautiful songs I’ve ever heard

  • @007stopjockin
    @007stopjockin 8 месяцев назад +66

    Nice Stones. You took 100% of the revenue for 20 years, and then when there was virtually no more revenue coming in, you gave it back to them? Classy move guys.
    POS's!!!
    007

    • @andrianamasmanides5194
      @andrianamasmanides5194 Месяц назад +1

      Shakespeare has an apt phrase "It is excellent to have a giant's strength but tyrannous to use it as one". Keith Richards said the Verve stole bread out of the Rolling Stones mouth....staggering. Quite a lot of music has echoes of other tunes. Pity they should have re-arranged the song....6 seconds, not worth the pain

  • @tylerthompson1842
    @tylerthompson1842 Год назад +136

    That whole thing ruined a great band that was somewhat ahead of it’s time in terms of revivalist rock

  • @Roitemal
    @Roitemal 9 месяцев назад +25

    Anyway The Verve's bitter sweet symphony is better than any of the original ones.

  • @user-ie6dz4ib3b
    @user-ie6dz4ib3b Год назад +232

    Alan Klein was a real sleazeball

    • @tomasolsson6493
      @tomasolsson6493 Год назад +57

      he's a jew. Stereotypes are true

    • @user-ie6dz4ib3b
      @user-ie6dz4ib3b Год назад

      @@tomasolsson6493 And you're a putz

    • @angelicbean7635
      @angelicbean7635 Год назад +8

      ​@@tomasolsson6493 ouch😢😅

    • @TheMock5000
      @TheMock5000 Год назад +11

      ​@@tomasolsson6493yep, thays how stereotypes come about, there's some truth in them.

    • @Easy_Now_Star
      @Easy_Now_Star 11 месяцев назад +6

      He Kleined them out.

  • @Guitaroverkill
    @Guitaroverkill Год назад +31

    He said it was the best song the Stones didn’t write.

  • @GOLDENFLYWARRIOR
    @GOLDENFLYWARRIOR Год назад +79

    Bitter Sweet Symphony" is based on a sample from a 1965 version of the Rolling Stones song "The Last Time" by the Andrew Oldham Orchestra. The Verve added strings, guitar, percussion and vocals. They obtained rights to use the "Last Time" sample from the copyright holder, Decca Records, but were denied permission from the Rolling Stones' former manager, Allen Klein. Following a lawsuit, the Verve relinquished all royalties and the Rolling Stones members Mick Jagger and Keith Richards were added to the songwriting credits. In 2019, after Klein's death, Jagger, Richards and Klein's son ceded the rights to the Verve songwriter Richard Ashcroft.

    • @TheEDZEPPELINBAND
      @TheEDZEPPELINBAND Год назад +11

      I heard a Keith Richards interview where he said he didnt want their money, he thought it was cool, he wasnt gonna sue em
      But then he heard or read that Ashecroft was asked about it in the press, and said 'Fuck Keith Richards.'
      Instead of some expression of gratitude or acknowledgement-
      So Keith didnt bother to help them.
      He said he remebered how it was at that stage in HIS career.
      Something like that.

    • @GOLDENFLYWARRIOR
      @GOLDENFLYWARRIOR Год назад +10

      @@TheEDZEPPELINBAND I seriously doubt that Ashecroft EVER was that much of a douche to say 'Fuck Keith Richards' unless he was drunk or on drugs. But it's ALL history now. Keith is usually pretty cool about most things. That's just how Keith has always been. Yet regarding Jagger NOT so much. He's straightedge business.

    • @TheEDZEPPELINBAND
      @TheEDZEPPELINBAND Год назад +1

      @@GOLDENFLYWARRIOR well he was.

  • @TomHenry-gl5fm
    @TomHenry-gl5fm 10 месяцев назад +16

    Yet another reason(there's a looong list) I hate the record industry. Publishers and labels are evil parasites.

  • @stuartcook9030
    @stuartcook9030 Год назад +45

    Was an absolute travesty that the verve were robbed of this so many of our best bands were robbed this way 😢

  • @rolliepixel
    @rolliepixel Год назад +28

    Put this banger on full blast tonight 🦋

    • @zanbudd
      @zanbudd 2 месяца назад

      Yes indeed, I am at it right now🦋🙏🏼🪷

  • @marcus813
    @marcus813 4 месяца назад +15

    I remember hearing this when I was in summer school in '97. I read about this in the early 2020s and I hated discovering how The Verve got screwed. How did it take 21 years to get any publishing from its biggest hit?!

    • @Gatz22
      @Gatz22 4 месяца назад +3

      Well, it sounds horrible saying this, but when Allen Klein passed away, they renegotiated with his son, and they got the rights back

  • @JoeNormal
    @JoeNormal 3 месяца назад +4

    I'm sure the band could have used the money to support their families and group longevity for those 20 fuggin' years. I hope they got it all back with lost interest plus pain and suffering. That's the greatest track to come out of the whole 90's britpop movement.

  • @thehutch7728
    @thehutch7728 Год назад +149

    So kind of them to give it back now that it’s not making any money. 🙄

    • @Jen-X333
      @Jen-X333 Год назад +20

      I was thinking the exact same thing. How douche-y.

    • @angelicbean7635
      @angelicbean7635 Год назад +2

      ​​@@Jen-X333 Hey !!! They gave it back . Do you know how long they could have fought that . Really with the money they have . Richard's has been on record for longer then 2 decades saying that sampling is stealing . And it is not a very artistic thing to do . The song belong to the writer's Kieth and Mick and the band the Stones . You can't steal someone's beat . Period I will correct you . How kind of them . Your welcome .

    • @micahclawrence
      @micahclawrence Год назад

      For real. Greedy pricks. Like Jagger and Richards needed money AT ALL.

    • @laurencedavey3121
      @laurencedavey3121 Год назад +13

      @@angelicbean7635 And I will correct you. *You're* not *Your*. You're welcome.

    • @zeldafitzgerald4149
      @zeldafitzgerald4149 Год назад +5

      @@angelicbean7635 You are really condoning this? 6 seconds. 6 fing seconds.

  • @saturnzerosworld
    @saturnzerosworld 8 месяцев назад +6

    Let the song be free plz this is MY FAVORITE SONG

  • @Micheal313
    @Micheal313 8 месяцев назад +9

    It really is a bittersweet symphony

  • @MattKirk007
    @MattKirk007 Год назад +15

    The song is mostly for the lyrics. But the song from the same album called “The Drugs don’t Work” (the live version is the best) is an amazing but depressing song about losing his dad to cancer and has a double meaning about being depressed after a failed relationship

  • @DomLeVey
    @DomLeVey 8 месяцев назад +13

    The irony is that " The will be the last time" was a rip off of the staple singers song from the late 1950s. . . .

  • @louisaklimentos7583
    @louisaklimentos7583 2 месяца назад +2

    What a legal battle that was . I just love that song !

  • @jeffdiggs7030
    @jeffdiggs7030 Год назад +19

    Dam 20 years with no money from that song? Ik I would’ve been pissed af SMH

    • @mrggonzalez3278
      @mrggonzalez3278 Год назад +3

      Not technically the touring off that song made them ALOTTTTT

  • @TomHenry-gl5fm
    @TomHenry-gl5fm 10 месяцев назад +4

    There's a special hole in hell for publishers! Like Jagger and Richards needed that shit anyway....

  • @shadowki1647
    @shadowki1647 4 месяца назад +3

    I'm going to listen to the Rolling Stones' song but you already said it was obscure. The Verve turned that riff into a total classic. That really gives props to The Rolling Stones and shows genius and attention to detail for The Verve. Great video too. 😎👍

  • @iAmbuzz
    @iAmbuzz Год назад +5

    Today i found out Richard ashcroft is my second cousin

  • @sc-ds7hx
    @sc-ds7hx Год назад +9

    Also, it’s the label’s fault for not getting the clearance in the first place

    • @raywright8226
      @raywright8226 11 дней назад

      Oh yes they did get a licence to use it. After the song became a smash then The Stones record company boss came calling with a legal team.

  • @alanschmidt3460
    @alanschmidt3460 3 месяца назад +2

    I listen to this song at night before I go to sleep. It’s soul moving in my book.

  • @CK-EDITS_edit
    @CK-EDITS_edit Год назад +5

    Damn that's brutal.

  • @stlchucko
    @stlchucko Год назад +7

    The sample didn’t even add that much. It was in the background and added ambience. The song still sounds great without it.

  • @RedondoBeach2
    @RedondoBeach2 Год назад +5

    When I was still on active duty and stationed in the Middle East, this song played multiple times a day, every day. Not sure why.

  • @kaalvoetpiet3442
    @kaalvoetpiet3442 11 месяцев назад +3

    Why is Jagger dancing to his lawyers tune? He could have overidden him

  • @Blood_bought1
    @Blood_bought1 Год назад +5

    Verve is my fave ❤

  • @elainealmquist957
    @elainealmquist957 Месяц назад +1

    Richard Ashcroft just did a live set that's on RUclips and the set is INCREDIBLE

  • @rnrtruestories
    @rnrtruestories  Год назад +6

    Full story here ruclips.net/video/enynp6hBAYQ/видео.html
    Full history of The Verve here ruclips.net/video/SPPhAFKVDnY/видео.html

  • @dinojay8410
    @dinojay8410 6 месяцев назад +2

    Alan Klein!! The Verve should have asked Paul McCartney for assistance in dealing with him!

  • @wraithyoshidj6702
    @wraithyoshidj6702 10 месяцев назад +3

    One of the most recognizable track of ALL TIMES

  • @DGTZ1982
    @DGTZ1982 10 месяцев назад +2

    I've got dirt on my Reeboks from staying up all night.

  • @RealTigress
    @RealTigress 4 месяца назад +1

    Wow, I didn’t realize this song was that old. Interesting story

  • @ukbanter1907
    @ukbanter1907 4 месяца назад +1

    One of the best bands of all time

  • @joycetillman5769
    @joycetillman5769 2 месяца назад

    That's sad. I was jamming this last night.
    One of my favorites!

  • @denisefrontino1101
    @denisefrontino1101 Год назад +12

    A most excellent tune...! 🌼

    • @davidkoon9521
      @davidkoon9521 Год назад +1

      The Verve live onstage are unbelievably good.

  • @joeymorvant161
    @joeymorvant161 Год назад +3

    Love The Verve and The Rolling Stones!

  • @Celebrity_Eats
    @Celebrity_Eats Год назад +4

    Complex issue. What would Jesus Christ ultimate rockstar say? I know him personally. He said that the Stones should have workedout a deal where Ashcroft got some kind of profit sharing. He said they should have all gone to a Pub for a pint, or two…or three and figured something out. Then shake hands, tell douchebag Klein to write it up and make it legal. No kidding, thats what Jesus said. 😊

  • @JohnForbes-x7n
    @JohnForbes-x7n 10 дней назад

    Verve needs to thank PUBLIX SUPERMARKET for the Revitalized great song

  • @DigitalBaseZone
    @DigitalBaseZone 3 месяца назад

    Thanks for letting me know

  • @fldon2306
    @fldon2306 Месяц назад

    The Rolling Stones “bumped” into Richard Ashcroft!!😂😂

  • @Daysleeper1000
    @Daysleeper1000 2 месяца назад

    My favorite song ever

  • @niningsetia4213
    @niningsetia4213 2 месяца назад +1

    Atok kaKEK
    Aka tokek 😂😂😂😂😂
    Thanks for your video
    GOD bless everyone
    Barakallah fiikum 😂😂😂❤❤❤❤

  • @clarkh5390
    @clarkh5390 2 месяца назад

    How gracious of the stones…

  • @duivel7
    @duivel7 28 дней назад

    They asked Richard ashcroft,what he thought about the song nominated for a award ,he said it was the best stone's song from the last 20 years
    In other words F... ..f to them

  • @shishirparajuli1681
    @shishirparajuli1681 Год назад +2

    For the band, sucess of this song would've been Bittersweet. I'll show myself out😂

  • @backwoodsbillycreeks2174
    @backwoodsbillycreeks2174 Год назад +1

    I bought the album and was a little bit disappointed that the rest of the album didn't sound anything like it but it does have good songs on it mostly about drugs and how bad they are

  • @waseemaryklief2460
    @waseemaryklief2460 2 месяца назад

    This song is EPIC One of the best songs of the decades. Alan Klein karma will come bite you.

  • @siltstrider6812
    @siltstrider6812 Год назад +1

    Thats pretty sad.

  • @sc-ds7hx
    @sc-ds7hx Год назад +1

    They would’ve gotten artist royalties, but not publishing, so they have made money from it

  • @pamelabrun6891
    @pamelabrun6891 Месяц назад

    That song was inspired!

  • @Clonest
    @Clonest 11 месяцев назад +2

    From my understanding they didn't steal shit......they got permission to use 6 seconds of a beat done by Rolling Stones and then completed the song lyrics themselves!

    • @paul66990
      @paul66990 4 месяца назад

      Listen to the original.

  • @stuartlawler2411
    @stuartlawler2411 Год назад +1

    The worst production decision ever was the use pf this sample...without the prchestra bit, this is prpbably the greatest song ever written... with it, it is a headache

    • @paul66990
      @paul66990 4 месяца назад

      The rhythm and melody come from the last time by the Andrew Oldham orchestra.

  • @DaleSmith-g5j
    @DaleSmith-g5j Год назад +2

    Too little too late

  • @lucindadote6630
    @lucindadote6630 Месяц назад

    Un himno nacional esta canción beatiful 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

  • @gormusic3197
    @gormusic3197 3 месяца назад

    Poor Jagger didn’t have enough money😅

  • @ddwalker3744
    @ddwalker3744 Месяц назад

    I love that song

  • @ShadowoftheRisingSun
    @ShadowoftheRisingSun Год назад

    F*ck it. They have so many great songs.

  • @stevee.6725
    @stevee.6725 Год назад

    I just saw them perform in Springfield, MA, 2 days ago. They didnt perform this song. I wonder if they still have to pay royalties for playing it?

  • @joyceeddy766
    @joyceeddy766 3 месяца назад

    I just found the song im 63 2 weeks ago

  • @makhseed
    @makhseed 3 месяца назад

    Waiting till 2018 is a bigger spit in the face than if he just never gave the rights back at all

  • @c0nstantin86
    @c0nstantin86 Год назад +1

    Is this why I don't see them in yt search?

  • @MG-chaotic
    @MG-chaotic 9 месяцев назад +1

    I liked the video

  • @edonveil9887
    @edonveil9887 7 месяцев назад

    File: Mick Jagger
    Education: London school of economics
    Questions, anyone?

  • @kyuuji_
    @kyuuji_ Месяц назад

    Meanwhile Vanilla Ice:

  • @pattymeier2466
    @pattymeier2466 2 месяца назад

    Richard Ashcroft & The Verve were undoubtedly going to be millionaires with this song....and The Stones should be ashamed they waited so long to relinquish the rights....Alan Klein wrong to be so ruthless..

  • @JetPackDino
    @JetPackDino 4 месяца назад

    Mick & Keith gave them the rights to it as soon as they could. Everyone had to wait for Allen Klein to die and go to hell.

  • @Cdnl4927
    @Cdnl4927 Месяц назад

    That's nice the Stones gave the rights away to The Verve. They probably thought this poor little band compared to us, they need the royalties more than us. 😂

  • @kckgirl78
    @kckgirl78 3 месяца назад

    WOW! 😮😮😮😮

  • @bobthebear1246
    @bobthebear1246 Месяц назад

    Mick and Keith had to wait until after that slimeball Allen Klein died in order to make things right with Richie Ashcroft. Besides relinquishing the publishing rights back to him, they literally gave him $2.75 million, which is how much Richie and the band had lost out on because of Allen Klein's ruthlessness. No matter what else you think of Jagger and Richards, they proved, right then and there, that they are indeed and in-fact stand up guys, and they definitely did the right thing here.

  • @aVerveQuest
    @aVerveQuest Месяц назад

    F the stones for this. The verve was a far better band although no one in America ever got to find that out. The verve made art the stones made pop, with maybe 10 good songs as exceptions.

  • @ВалерийЦапко-е8ы

    Симфония и экзистенция. ❤❤❤

  • @parvizdzhalolov9817
    @parvizdzhalolov9817 4 месяца назад

    Greediness of stones, poor Verve very sad it’s ruined their wonderful band (

  • @stevenhaskell9025
    @stevenhaskell9025 Год назад +1

    took them long enough

  • @philfreeman3965
    @philfreeman3965 Месяц назад

    I didn't think you needed permission to use a 6 second sample??

  • @davidsellers3639
    @davidsellers3639 2 месяца назад

    Another reason to hate the stones

  • @timmygrace1
    @timmygrace1 Год назад

    It's a gamble you don't know what song will be a hit. This is a perfect example of don't use a sample.

  • @chaycunningham1999
    @chaycunningham1999 3 месяца назад

    Yeah hands em over now it aint making change. 😢 That's a bittersweet symphony. ...work like a slave all day ...working for money Working until u die 😢

  • @bennetfox
    @bennetfox 3 месяца назад

    Too late, damage is done.

  • @a7n7t7o7n7y
    @a7n7t7o7n7y Год назад +1

    “Jayger” ?

  • @earldelsanto
    @earldelsanto 3 месяца назад

    Wait they stole the sample from decca and the stones to start with. They are lucky they ever got the rights . . The only time I remember hearing this in the 90 was on soft serve🍦rock stations and elevator music. Seriously folks. And the euro crowd thinks this is the best r r song ever?????

  • @stevenmorris4011
    @stevenmorris4011 2 месяца назад

    Great song wow the music business is money hungry not good

  • @burneraccount6116
    @burneraccount6116 3 месяца назад

    They wonder why rock died, rappers reuse their stuff all of the time

  • @freshybowl
    @freshybowl 5 месяцев назад

    If it was the stones filing lawsuit for original song sure. But a cover!??? Get bent

  • @g.prince6265
    @g.prince6265 Год назад

    C'mon keef what were you hurting for money? Tighten up.

  • @paulceniceros5514
    @paulceniceros5514 Год назад

    ..... bummer

  • @Jack-wr5wg
    @Jack-wr5wg Месяц назад

    Stones = the rolling stnuC.

  • @janinevargas9414
    @janinevargas9414 Год назад

    Sweet

  • @BluesDeville
    @BluesDeville Год назад

    It's unfortunate, but that's what happens when you take other people's work instead of creating your own.

  • @DavidBurns-k8k
    @DavidBurns-k8k 3 месяца назад

    Greed is real 😂😂😂

  • @robertsimpkins6571
    @robertsimpkins6571 22 дня назад

    Very interesting bubbie...thank you

  • @tonyr6190
    @tonyr6190 Год назад

    YES SIR

  • @hungrylikethewolfe
    @hungrylikethewolfe 8 месяцев назад

    Fuck the rolling stones idgaf about boomer millennial nostalgia

  • @robcouch9433
    @robcouch9433 Год назад +1

    Wow ,just wrong