What happens if you crash an EV? No idea, says car industry.
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- Опубликовано: 13 окт 2024
- In this video Geoff takes a look at a Fleet News article about the implications of fixing a crashed EV through your insurance…. Basically, no one knows what to do.
From long wait times, to high repair costs, to the 15 metre rule between broken EVs and more ridiculous policy and practise, the entire thing is falling apart.
Let’s see if we can wade through this one anyway, eh?
#EV #ElectricVehicle #Tesla #News #ULEZ
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When a Government tells you to do something you can guarantee it’s a stupid idea 😂
Not "Stupid", its all planned =, but none of it is for our benefit. They want most of us dead
Yes I agree, like smart meters, it's about control, don't have anything that is described as smart.
Yep, we were all pushed into buying diesel cars, then they ‘encouraged’ us to trade in our 4x4’s for new cars. It’s all about pushing people to buy new vehicles and force them out of more affordable and yet perfectly good cars.
Yep if the gov say Zig your better off Zagging.
@@ggee7391Spot on 👍🏻
Years ago, when I was a child, environmentalists decided that paper bags were killing trees and plastic bags were the answer. 🤔
Yes, absolute stupidity. We can grow trees, we can’t make oil to make the plastic.
Also, paper and cardboard is very easy to recycle, where plastic just ends up in landfill and eventually micro plastics enter the environment, then the food chain, the seas, then our bodies.
Perhaps that’s the plan, get rid of humans by making them sick.
If they were re-used until they broke they would... KInda...
Now they want to get rid of oil, so goodbye plastic bags (and a million other things) but they’re going to have to cut down the trees that make the paper bags and our oxygen in order to make cement flood producing car charge parks, solar arrays, and wind farms.
@@EGrin101 ….what’s with the grin? I’m 75. When I was in college in New York I saw The Mothers of Invention in Greenwich Village. Got out of high school for the rest of the day when JFK got shot. A life full of stuff like that. But nothing as crazy as what’s going on now.
@@EGrin101 I am! 🙂
Keep up with the brilliant blogs, the EV crowd are getting really rattled by them.... Because you are telling the truth
It's bad enough that modern cars like my 2020 Seat Leon Mistake - a perfectly good car ruined & controlled completely by a cheap android tablet - has currently taken 2 months for the repair company to fix under warranty. Why you may ask? Well some dick backed into my car while parked and pushed in the plastic grill. I never even noticed except that everytime I started the car almost every warning light would come on telling me that armageddon was about to happen. Took it to the dealers as thought it was the cheap android tablet playing up again (oh yes since day one it has been shite) and they said, nope all your sensors at the front have been damaged. £1.500 to repair but £100 excess on insurance. Now waiting for all the tech "I don't bloody need or use" to arrive as parts are hard to get apparently. Now... this is a brilliant petrol car to drive. According to the garage it is safe to drive even with 8 bleeps and warning signals on the dash everytime I start the car, none of it would fail an MOT. Did I say it was a lovely car to drive? Because it is superb, fast and nippy but still economical and looks great. That's why I bought it. BUT the technology is shite beyond belief. Similar to the crap in the new VW Golf Mk8 as same car essentially. Now if it's this bad in a petrol car from 2020, I can only imagine the nightmare of an EV where everything is electronically controlled and if something like this happened the bloody car would be a write off or explode. Sorry EV crowd but you nearly had me on board but as soon as I can, I'm getting rid of this car and getting a boring simple car again. As long as I can plug my phone in and use Google maps, listen to music and not get nagged about staying in lane (I am you twat), keeping my hands on the wheel (they ARE on the effing wheel), and most importantly have frigging knobs and switches for the climate control and other things I need to use while driving then I will be over the moon. God I miss my old gas guzzling 1999 Mercedes. As Johnny Rotten sang "Ever get the feeling you've been conned???" 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
The biggest scam is that the increased insurance costs will be 'shared' between EV and ICE car owners instead of the EV user picking up the whole additional expense - as they should.
How is that fair ? If I buy a cheaper ICE car, cheaper to buy, replace, or repair, vs a very expensive ICE car, my insurance is cheaper. (Makes sense). So an EV that’s more expensive to buy & repair should come with more expensive insurance. Geez ! This is maddening.
Insurance doesn’t work like that,it’s based on risk and value of the product/repair cost.
@@sorbabaric1 It isn't fair, but part of the way insurance is worked out depends on how much they have had to pay out as a whole, so if more expensive EVs are being written off rather than repaired then everybody's insurance will go up. I believe it's a completely different type of product so they should be assessed separately. There again the government know this so it's probably just another part of the plan to force drivers off the road.
It doesn't work like that
Why do you assume that??
As a grease monkey and a garage owner I want nothing to do with BEV’s, I don’t want to die from a 400v shock and I refuse to invest the considerable sums plus higher insurance to work on them.
@@mikebreen2890never been busier actually. The classic car industry is also booming.
@@mikebreen2890lmfao 😅😅😅😅 clown.
Taken from a Tesla forum for old Model S---"Update rear toe links to new design to fix loose feeling in rear suspension. Parts cost $200, did work myself.
Replace driver's door window regulator. Parts $240, did work myself."
@@v6clio22 Always great to hear.
I am dealer trained to a very high level. I like working on them but honestly there is no profit for the company. It’s just about possible to do a job in the recommended time if all goes well. Sometimes things go wrong with no fault of the technician and profit goes out of the window. We are always having to buy new test leads, update chargers, test kit etc. There is next to no service work apart from tyres, I can’t see half our current staff passing the strict exams to qualify to work on them. I had to diagnose an old out of warranty car during lockdown. The part was £2700! I was crapping myself I had diagnosed it right. Triple checked everything and fortunately it was correct!
Most of us working in the automotive industry knew this a decade plus ago. I saw so many auction buyers/flippers lose out on buying "great looking" EVs or hybrids only to later find out how costly the high voltage battery is.
When you realise that our controllers don’t want us travelling at all it will make more sense.
Which is the harsh reality that few understand.
Our controllers want us to pass a checkpoint and turn-style before entering mass transit.
under communism if you wanted to leave your town/village you had to get permission from the police, same trick different means
@@jamesward5721 Gasoline rations would make sense. It was done in WWII and on more items than petrol.
@@chetmyers7041 Gasoline rations would make sense. It was done in WWII and on more items than petrol.
We are all being forced into this, it’s wrong on so many levels
We won’t be driving after 2030 if the unelected billionaires at the WEF have their way , have a look into “ Agenda 30 “
Just like diesel vehicles 20 years ago
At least there are no recorded instances of spontaneous combustion in a diesel fuel tank.
@@Halfpenny05 Yes I'm happy driving my diesel Scania petrol tanker, You will never see an EV lorry towing a petrol tanker or a class 2 EV petrol tanker.
That's why we are being forced, we wouldn't touch them otherwise.
If your in the EV when a short circuit happens within the battery compartment, you are at serious risk of losing your life, which includes your family’s lives if they happen to be in the EV with you. When you take a good look at an EV, it’s a potential coffin on wheels.
But you can open the electric doors and escape! Oh, wait...
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 What a stupid comment
@@bigglyguy8429All EVs have a mechanical way to open the doors too.
@@pachy444 I see no reason why they cannot just have normal door handles, but hey, electric!
I'm not a fan of the Tesla handles, bot some EVs do have mechanical door handles inside and out and mechanical way to unlock too.
My wife is a paramedic and she went on a training exercise with the fire brigade. They basically said there is no rescue procedure as there is no way to put out the fire to rescue people if the car catches fire and they are trapped.
They could try and extinguish the flames with thoughts and prayers. 😅
Also the smoke of battery fire is highly toxic. People should avoid the smoke "at all costs" as it's not toxic just by breathing it, but also by coming in contact with your skin.
I guess fire brigades and possibly paramedics will end up having special suits / breathing equipment to deal with it, but if an EV catches fire near you (an ordinary person), just run as far away as possible, against the wind if possible.
You get these EVidiots saying stuff like “petrol cars are more dangerous”, completely missing the point that LiIon batteries don’t need external heat OR oxygen to combust. (Plus I have a suspicion that most vehicle fires start electrically, on any vehicle.)
The plug in hybrids are just as bad. A family member had an incident with an oncoming vehicle that resulted in their car leaving the road into a small gulley. Driver was unhurt, but front passenger submarined into the footwell. Was unconcious and not visible from the outside of the car. Batteries quickly burst into flames. A quick thinking and unbelievbly brave passer by managed to drag her out of the car. She only had minor back injuries, but this could easily have been a fatality caused by a battery fire. The car was burnt out entirely. It was a Toyota hybrid.
For this reason alone they should be immediately banned!! This is horrifying!!!!!
"Have you been missold an EV" The lawyers are itching to go!
My local repair shop won’t put one on his tow truck he said if it’s been in an accident it’s considered hazardous material and his insurance won’t cover it
It's always been about getting ordinary people out of cars and onto buses.
Does this obsolescence feel planned?
Unless your Sadiq Khan who'll still be chauffered around in his ICE powered Range Rover.
They're conditioning people with their trial £2 bus fares to use public transport, because the expense and practicality of owning an EV is out of the question for a large portion of the population.
@@nev7711 It's E-bikes for us plebs!
Good luck with that as buses are terrible .I zip around on a 5 kw scooter . No tax to pay no ins and no parking fines oh and fast
Planted more like it 💰👁
We have a large Tesla battery bank near Geelong, Australia, that caught fire a few years ago. I overheard one of the fireys that attended the fire telling her friends that she would NEVER buy an EV after attending that battery fire as you simply couldn’t put the fire out. What beggars belief is that there are no laws to prevent you from storing EVs in underground apartment garages or taking them on car ferries.
An EV on a ferry is criminal negligence. Disaster in waiting.
Working with an EV car company on their prototype cars, we have to crush the vehicles once testing is finished.
The battery pack was supposed to go to the 2 disposal facilities in Victoria and both have burnt down (one you mentioned near geelong) So the battery pack still remains in our scrap yard, 2 years on.
they did a media blackout on that fire
This comment aged well - ship currently on fire caused by EV - 1 dead, 7 injured and potentially a massive environmental disaster at a UNESCO world heritage area. So that's how you protect the environment and save the planet????
⚠️Norwegian Ferries banned EV's last year because they cannot deal with a fire on board ⚠️
Another thing mentioned over in the UK is that the old buildings and underground car parks were designed for 70's type cars weighing around 1 1/2 tonnes and the structures may not handle the heavier EV weights.
Also more road damage is another factor.
I saw one review from an owner & he said he generally has to replace two tyres each year during the service due to the heavier weights & torque involved. That is an additional $400-$500 per service. His first service (new car) was far more than for an ICE, from memory at least double his old service charges yet it has almost no fluids or moving parts. I used to think Yatchs were expensive but I think EVs sail past that.
My EV weighs 500kg less than a Landrover Discovery !
@@lightworkeight4136how many mile was this person driving? Sounds a little exaggerated. Or maybe he was just having too much fun constantly doing burnouts w the ev torque.
Once I heard about “10 percent for the ‘Big Guy,’”and heard he is highly invested in EV batteries, I have realized it is all a gigantic scam. That warrants a gigantic response of, “Not ‘no,’ but ‘HELL NO!’” A long time ago, I asked manufacturers and insurance people who is responsible if a vehicle is struck by lightning while being charged. No response was offered. Therefore, I repeat “not no but hell no!”
Great video. The whole thing , the scenario of these things ' saving the planet ' is so ridiculous it's hilarious
Most buyers are happy to be convinced they’re saving the planet by having the newest shiniest thing in the office car park.
And that EV owners are daft enough to believe it is even more hilarious, if a bit sad. The really funny thing is they think we're the ones who can't see the future.
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@@-A-lm5xbyep and you can find them lurking around in the comments here on this video.
@@cactiguide Elons shills are all over the auto sections trying to get us hooked on the pipe dream.
I was talking to some mechanics the other day and they informed me that when EV cars crash they commonly split into two with the front and rear sections of the car separating immediately on impact.
That's to allow for an escape route from the unstoppable fire that starts and the inoperable electric doors which would otherwise trap you inside....
There will be no more cut-and-shut cars around !
The more we learn about Ev's the more we realise that it's a con and is actually an environmental catastrophe waiting to happen
Where did you get your PhD in environmental studies? The catastrophies are already here. Mid-west North America is a disaster zone. Planet Earth just set a high record temperature for two days this week. Where have you been?
Its a replay of the old VHS verses Betamax saga, the worst system won, but in the end lost out to CD/DVD that pre dated both
@@Pimpernicholasand you think driving an ev is going to save it?
Totally agree. An absolute environmental disaster just waiting to happen.
@@Pimpernicholas High record temperature in the areas they told you about, not everywhere, since records began just a few decades ago. The reality is they don't know anything. The sea levels are rising all the time, well I've been taking my dogs to the local beach for the best part of 40 years and it hasn't risen an inch in that time. But hey, maybe I'm just lucky. Or maybe, just maybe, it's all bolleaux.
Incidentally they say flares from the sun are at a peak, that wouldn't have anything to do with it would it? If it does that has NOTHING to do with anything we're doing on earth.
My friend backed his Tesla into a wall last summer and didn’t get it back until December …. 6 months he was without it whilst having to make the PCP payments every month.
He had a nightmare simply finding a body shop that wanted to touch it after his insurance company basically gave up and couldn’t recommend anyone!
Not sure if I believe your story. Sounds too bad to be true.
@@DMBriffaI believe it, I live in NZ and only one dedicated Tesla repairer
That is nothing.. Try wait almost a year to fix an Honda and the body shop still cant fix it. They have a number of cars in the same state. All waiting for parts. That the future of ICE cars.
@@DMBriffa Did you wear a mask because the government told you to?
@@jimc1654 Yeah Honda is having a real parts supply problem. I fear even minor repairs on my RDX. Reddit is full of stories of people getting in minor fender benders and not getting their cars back for many months.
So basically, people are paying a premium for a disposable car.
Great video. I am in Australia. On our car review channels, I wrote comments against buying EVs. I got a lot of heat from it. So I can tell you, I am also laughing.
As owner of 2 electric cars and after 80k miles I never had to see any mechanic. (Excluding standard services required to keep warranty or MOTs ) But for people like you, Hydrogen cars are coming fossil fuels will be banned elites are after carbon credits as a new form of extra taxation
The risk to the repairers because of possible battery cell damage and risk of injury or fire would need specialist training and massive insurance hikes to these companies it’s a no brainer that’s why they’re getting written off even with minor damage.
you cant safely repair a wrecked EV. unfortunately.
Can’t see them saving the planet when they work that out only cars will be allowed for the rich and will be unaffordable for the rest of us 🤷🏽♂️
Absolutely, understandable
( nobody needs an unpredictable incendiary device in the workshop )
@@DieselRamchargerRubbish, my EV was beautifully repaired after another driver drove into the side of me and I had an EV as a curtesy car.
@@twogsds clearly the frame around the battery wasn't damaged.
Geoff,i have an old 2002 volvo V40 estate with a genuine 62,000 miles on , it still returns > 50 miles a gallon. It is serviced yearly, and the fully comp insurance is £320 per year.and i will be hanging on to it as long as possible!
This is a continuing saga, if you go back a couple of generations we had a perfectly good railway system, they told us we couldn't afford it so ripped 2/3 of it up so everybody had to get a car to get about, then the roads blocked up and we had to completely re do the roads. this is just the next phase of be continually f'd about with. Most of us are happy with what we have but yet again the whole thing has to change for change sake.
im getting old I dont like change🤣
The victoriana built railway and canals with pick and shovel , get them up and running and scrub hs2 ,
The us does need more rail coast to coast and to beaches and areas where a lot of vacationers go
I doubt it’s for changes sake. I imagine it’s because they can’t make money off the old stuff.
Again, it never ceases to amaze me how many of these problems are really American problems. In the rest of the world, we like trains. Even in Cape Town where I live, we're trying to get people to use the bus.
I sometimes store customers accident damage cars at my yard until the insurance company collects…..I won’t be storing EV’s or I’ll be charging three times the price due to it being “quarantined”
i hope you really understand quarantining these cars. personally, if it was my yard id want a u shaped bunker of sand with all EV's parked in the middle. If shit kicks off just push some sand on top and get the hell away.
To comply with the reports recommendations you should be charging 50 times the price as that is the amount of space you will need 👍
I beleive it's 15 metres all around the vehicle about fifty feet, I would do the same or it goes elsewhere.
@@michealmccann Not only 15m radius, it probably means you can't even store them vertically in a rack.
Only 3x, man when these things blow 10x may not save your life 🔥🔥🔥
I love this video I hadn’t thought about the repair possibilities. Thank you. Have a wonderful night.
The best way to stop people buying electric cars is if all the insurance companies refuse to insure them
No the gov will force insurance companies to insure them
@@flight2k5 The government can't force the underwriters to underwrite any policy, underwriters are not just from the UK.
@@eliakimjosephsophia4542 I hope you’re correct
@@flight2k5 yeah you are probably right
If they continue bursting into flames this will happen, no insurer is going to take that risk, they'd go bankrupt.
Also I’ve heard from a few EV owners that their insurance premiums are horrendous which they never anticipated 😅
Yep mine is 400 quid a year to insure for up to 14k miles with 150 excess, my last car a VW GTI was about 40 quid a year cheaper when I chanced car 2 years ago.
I pay about $100/mo for 2 Tesla's. Way less then what I was paying for 2 gas cars.
Our insurance was less for the Tesla than any of our other cars. How many cylinders...zero.
They'll be cheap they said, wrong, they'll be road tax exempt in the uk they said, not any more, they're cheap to run and there will be charging stations everywhere, BULLSHIT. EV's will go the way of the dodo and the sinclair c5.
@@ItsAllJustBollox lol thats cheap. Come live in the Netherlands. Where u pay around 100 euro a month for allrisk on your new ev.
We have a self-charging hybrid car. Love it. Best of both worlds, never have to worry about mileage/chargers, cheap to run and service, etc. But recently told after a service that rear brake discs needed renewing. Simple…you’d think. I was amazed to find none of the major outlets I tried, including Kwik Fit, could do it. They’ve decided very recently apparently that all their staff need special training for Hybrids and BEVs and won’t touch something like a brake pad change. Ended up having to use a manufacturer’s dealership, which of course adds about 50% to the cost.
Same here. On my previous car (a 2017 Toyota Yaris) I had the rear brake discs heavily scored due to grit & salt and lack of use after about 4 years. The dealer that did the service did manage to skim them clean (more or less) and it was fine for the next year or so before I traded it in. The one I have now has a better looking arrangement that should not catch so much grit etc just in front of the rear wheels, so we'll see.
Just wait till the battery packs in, and you need 10 grand plus for a new one.
@@johnnyparkinson9431 Kia NiMH batteries will easily do 100K miles in a car such as ours. Given the average value of a standard car that's 14yrs old with 100K on the clock...I'm not too worried about that.
@@davidwhitehead6150 it might do 100k in a test situation, but I'm pretty sure no car battery will last 14 years. I'm also pretty sure that in 14 years time the ev scam will be over. Also, try selling your electric car in 3 years time, see what you get for it.
@@johnnyparkinson9431 You clearly haven't read my post..we don't have an EV car. The battery that our Hybrid has is still at close to 100% health 5 years in, and there is plenty of factual info out there in the industry with regard to both MiMH and Li-ion batteries, along with a lot of disinformation. if you reckon that in 2037 there won't be any EV vehicles on our roads?...mm, ok, whatever. Just like the 10s of thousands who jumped on X and blamed the car-park fire at Luton last night on an EV.. As I write the Fire Brigade and BBC are pretty certain it was a Diesel Range Rover on the 3rd floor..quelle surprise!
I recall reading about this scenario in a children's story many years ago. It was something about an emporer and his new clothes. 😂
Emperor .....
We had flooding occur in FL here in the USA after a hurricane. EV’s caught in the flooding required 24,000 gallons of water minimum to put it out once the battery caught fire. Sometimes more if the battery re catch’s , I kid you not, and the car sets itself on fire again. Anywhere from 30,000 to upwards of 80,000 gallons maybe required if it does and fire responders were still not trusting it to be out entirely. Avoid EV’S if possible.
What's the most likely cause of the increase in hurricanes. ...ICE's? Do you have an idea of the consequences of a gasoline leak from a station tank into the ground? It would take more than a few gallons of water to clean it up. Gasoline has some very potent additives that are very damaging to earthly life.
Statistically, ICE vehicles are about 5 times more likeky to catch fire. And certainly, gasoline is very volatile and prone to explosion which doesn't give victims much time for escape. Gasoline vehicle fires rarely make the news. They are too common and news agencies don't report them, since the ICE, legacies, advertise through them, so they don't want to discredit them, thus losing revenues. Tesla hasn't advertised, so these papers gladly report any fires in Tesla vehicles.
To the contrary, people are not avoiding EV's. ICE sales are decreasing rapidly while EV sales are on an upward exponential curve. Buy the Tesla stock, if you wish to make money. The legacies is not where it's at.
Here we go with the ICE fire risk BS. How long have they been around, and how much news have they created for this?
Hydrocarbons need external heat and oxygen to ignite, lithium batteries do not.
Many (if not most) vehicle fires start electrically, regardless of whether an EV or ICE. The difference is that battery fires cannot be extinguished because the cells are in many separate enclosed, sealed compartments.
@@Pimpernicholas Most, if not all of ICE fires were related to electrical issues, not to the fuel, except the cases when some people washed their cars or the engines with gasoline. In case of a spill, the gasoline has a specific smell and you can avoid a tragedy, as opposite to a lithium battery that explodes directly. When you have a gasoline leak, a simple gasket will fix it. A shorted cell inside the battery is, not impossible, but very hard and expensive to repair, and it can generate an instant fire, without any warning. The crash tests made using ICE cars did not ended up in fire, so it is not so common. Maybe the battery will evolve and became a more safe and reliable source of energy, but that's where we are today.
some fire stations in the uk have bought tanks that they can fill with water to put evs in
If an EV catches fire on a ferry or the Euro tunnel a lot of people will die
Right I saw you with everything doing here. Thank you for pointing it out.
Keep up the good work. We have to stand up to the EV madness and those kidding themselves they're good for the environment
Are you inferring that ICE cars are good or better for the environment?
A cousin of mine was asphyxiated by an ICE because he was trying to keep warm. It produced a nice environment for him.
Thanks for the shout out.. I knew you’d like this little gem… whichever way you look at it the Total Cost of Ownership of EVs is not that appealing when you consider depreciation, insurance rates and the horrendous cost of public charging if needed. They only ‘work’ with tax incentives for them and tax disincentives for ICE cars.
As owner of 2 electric cars and after 80k miles I never had to see any mechanic. (Excluding standard services required to keep warranty or MOTs ) My first Nissan Leaf cost me 16K and after over 5 years saved me 9k in fuel cost compared to the petrol equivalent. You need home charging and a nice off-peak tariff.
No1 asked you
You got enough time to spend to change your car and have tea and a biscuit
You obviously never went on any long journeys
@@Anonymous-ib8soPerhaps he didn't and EVs are brilliant city and commuter cars. I've taken mine down to Exeter from London without hassle but I mostly charge at home. I understand the hate though as they generally only save money for the already wealthy. If you don't have a driveway don't get one.
Acquaintance of mine bought a 2018 Leaf. In 2022 parts broke putting it off the road for 7 months. Parts had to come from China. Cost 3,600 Euros to repair.
Wow…
They're written off very easily. A very small knock can do it.
Almost all new EVs have the batteries as part of the chassis. Even a small knock that bend or damages the chassis (batteries) is an instant write off.
@@LCDqBqA You have to damage the frame. And it's not true. They can replace individual battery modules depending on the specifics. How much do you think it costs to repair a damaged gas car frame?
Plus they cannot be towed, for risk of fire so they have to be moved by flatbed truck, and If i was a recovery operator i would flat out refuse to have one of these rolling fire hazzards on the back of my recovery vehicle, if it went on fire it would take the recovery vehicle with it, It's not looking good for the ev market.
Very true, but also because the makers of EV are playing on "Oh this is new, it costs way more" to get bigger margins, so their part prices are a lot higher and more difficult to get a hold of.
Often even small fender benders total out EVs with insurance companies because getting the parts is hard and expensive compared to the ICE cars.
We REALLY need Right to Repair legislation BADLY all over the world, otherwise this hole will be a lot bigger and deeper than it needs to be.
Most new cars are written off because of the deployment of airbags.
Not because of anything related to how it is powered.
Hang on a minute. A driver banged my ICE car door with theirs and made a slight dent and damaged the paintwork. Overnight repair including car hire was £270 but the other driver wanted to go through their insurance company who would not accept the price I got. Instead I had to use their repairer who charged £90 each way to collect and deliver a replacement car. Then £120 per day hire fees. They took the best part of three weeks to fix a tiny dent at a cost that must be approaching £3000.
LOTS of money to be made in car bodywork repairs...........
Look into the cost of the tools to repair these..I’m a mechanic, and I’m not paying out £2k just for a basic spanner set. Our boss looked into EV’s, and decided we’re not touching them, thankfully. Also look into scrap yards storing scrapped EV’s…they don’t want them.
Like magic, the Co2 produced during manufacturing doesn't get counted.
Plants love Co2.
Plus the fossil fuel electricity used to cahrage them. Solar and wind only supply axminority of fuel and wind turbines do not last as long as governments want you to believe. Sieman suffered huge financial loss due to their turbine failure raes
7-8 tons extra per EV compared to ICE. Reading between the lines, and depending on the car, you're looking at 30-80000 miles driving to break even. Makes so much sense!
What hapens when you run out of CO2 to be produced?
If this doesn’t put an end to EVs, what will? How can our government, or any other government carry on rolling out EVs!
You EV nuts cannot take it that you have been duped. EVs are terrible in so many ways
@@mikebreen2890 time will tell!
@@mikebreen2890your commie showing
😂 Eco Terrorist
Fire and Emergency Services have been instructed to keep well clear and let them burn which means 💀💀💀💀 toasted occupants
Governments are criminals, they have been trying to kill us all for 3 years now, have you not noticed?
Very well told, thank you from Norway.
I've been thinking that manufacturers should be legally required to take them back for proper recycling. If they can't build them to be easily repairable or make parts cheeply and easily available then the onus should be on them to deal with proper disposal. The consumer can only absorb so much of the cost and this would impact sales so this would lead to manufacturers having to figure this stuff out. If it costs them money they'll come up with a solution pretty bloody quick.
That should be said for any thing with in reason. If it can't be recycled don't make it
Batteries should all be the same and easily changeable , otherwise they just become obsolete like phones and drills , more waste
Yknow in ireland we have this consumer electronic law that requires stores to take back your old washing machine etc for recycling when you buy a new one, maybe its time to add EV to this also, it is an electric consumer good afterall.
It's beyond money now brother's and sister's
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@@nickcoppard5335 I think the rules regarding mobile phone batteries has recently changed, now they must be user replaceable just like the older ones used to be.
I’m waiting for the ‘did you own an electric vehicle’ claim type adverts in a few years
There was already a reported story in the US where for a minor fender bender, where the EV owner was charged $42,000 dollars for repair of their vehicle.
"EV Suffers Minor Fender Bender, Owner Stunned as Repair Bill Skyrockets to $42,000 When Mechanics Start Work"
-Western Journal
July 17th, 2023
This is pushing up insurance premiums for all of us!!!!
That's fine. Blame all the EV makers. Which means blame almost all car makers. But Tesla, unlike everyone else, will give you affordable insurance.
Insurance is a scam.
@@DMBriffa No that's NOT FINE!!!!
@@DMBriffawhy don’t you just admit it…. You really wish you hadn’t bought an EV.
Lol
I read an article about increasing insurance premiums for EV’s because of these issues. I think that the running cost implications given this factor and the eye watering depreciation will start to take its toll on sales.
gee. ya think? lol
You can not tell me this was not known before now. How a dangerous product got on the market is beyond belief.
It already is but you won't hear it reported on. Sales are seriously in the toilet.
@@tonysheerness2427Heard of vaccines? 😅
@@jimbojones101 Government not fit for purpose
Thanks for the information. Everything I have seen about these electric vehicles just destroys the Earth more than using the oil that bleeds from it's crust.
I am a mechanic and coming up to retirement i invested in diagnostic equipment because the whole of the car park went that way it was expensive but i consider worthwhile ,i know a lot of garage owners who are all around my age and are all looking to retire so are not willing to invest the large sums of money and training in working on ev's ,maybe someone in there twenties or thirties maybe but you don't see many people that age start their own garage.
Iv seen a 25 year old start his own garage. Didn’t last long
in 2012 a lot of the information Geoff has been covering was generally available on the internet and I gave EV's 10 years. I didn't account for people being so gullible so I'm giving them another 10 years before they are deemed unfit, uneconomical and not environmentally friendly.
you didn't account for gov tax incentives? Thats the only thing keeping them afloat. Same as heat pumps
@@John_Wood_ there are no incentives for Joe Public anymore, only for companies buying EVs. Plus there’s the retrospectively applied VED coming in 2025 and ‘pay-per-mile’ at some point in the near future. Add all that to the fact that they are just a shit idea in the first place, you’d hope people would catch on wouldn’t you? 😳
@@BillyBob-rm3ve mate, i know
@@BillyBob-rm3ve but just like heat pumps people don't want to admit that they've pissed their money up the wall.
@@BillyBob-rm3ve There is in NZ , theres a clean car rebate of someting like $7000 on an EV and a tax on diesel utes of about the same so massive subsidy. The figures make it sound like they are popular but it's mostly the goverment buying them and claiming there own subsidy back for government fleets. The average Joe isn't buying them.
Paper bags held 5x the amount of stuff as the plastic bags do today.
That is you could very nearly fill the paper bags to the brim.
While plastic bags only get filled half way.
One thought: if insurance companies are merely writing off any damaged EV (pretty much), let's guess who will be paying more on their premiums to make up for the profit shortfall.....oh yeah that'll be their customers, whether they drive an ICE or not!! 😡
You could joint them, you know!
When Volvo came out with hybrid vehicles the protocol to work on them required roping off the area and a long stick with a hook was required in case the technician accidentally became attached electrically from touching the wrong part by accident and the hook was for trying to get them unhooked before they are electricuted!
Hi Geoff This is getting more more ridiculous by the day , considering these vehicles have now been around for a few years now how come it’s only recently that these issues are coming to light . So is it the insurance companies who are fed up taking a hit , I don’t know . But it’s very strange that we’re this far down the line before such obvious problems are emerging . Kind regards as always 😀👍👍👍
Insurance companies don't take a hit. We take the hit with higher premiums. Ours went up 20%, no accidents no claims.
I don't think we have scratched the surface of the problems yet, even though the list is already as long as your arm. They are slowly filling the world up with incendiary bombs which could go off on their own, could go off on a hot day, could go off when charging, could go off in your garage overnight, could go off in an accident, could go off at the repair shop, could go off being towed, could go off at the salvage yard, could go off due to age, could go off due to road damage, could go off due to a manufacturing fault.........but, like vaccines, they are perfectly safe.
@@lightworkeight4136 …and effective.
What’s the alternative.
Guess a lot of thought went into the whole EV thing
Like ALL of their ideas/policies of these loons in wef et al!
They told us all to go out and buy Diesels before now they are punishing Diesel drivers!
Oh it did, but not for our benefit.
Anything government endorses, you know it is always a shit deal cooking in snake oil.
Great channel Geoff .
Best dose of common sense on this total facade of saving the planet through EV’s that I have heard to date. Brilliant 👍
I have done the training on working with EV's.
Even disconnecting the battery is hazardous.
Many people don't realise the voltages these things work on !
What level arc flash PPE do you need?
Excellent content Geoff, makes me laugh :D. I want nothing more than to see the EV's fail. I drive an old car myself and wont be upgrading any time soon. I dread the day the only option would be to by an electric car. I seriously hope that day will never come in my lifetime.
Well ICE cars especially diesels wil do around 500,000 miles easily if looked after
Are you hoping to live a long time? With the forest fires in Canada, one 9 year old has seccumed to his asthma because of the smoke. Climate change is not so pretty when it's you or one of your loved ones that is affected.
Ev make that worse idiot.
@@Pimpernicholaslol, you mean arson in canada by radical climate extremists.. climate change radicals are the problem, not "climate change" warm weather doesn't create fires, there needs to be ignition... especially in a forest,, I walked through the forest less than 100 kms from the fires in bc, and the forest was full of ferns, ferns only grow where it's moist.. the weather was hotter 30 years ago in kelowna and no fires.
You don’t like EVs, but why do you want it to fail and limit the option of others who want EVs?
Here in Spain, the gov is trying to remove all old cars from the roads by making the MOT almost impossible to pass. A problem for me, as I have a 33 year old Nissan Patrol, a 23 year old S Type and a 30 year old Hymer motorhome. They all work, so why buy a new vehicle?
MR Sinclair must be rolling around on the floor watching this Geoff . Thank you
I knew there was a reason we jumped over to petrol from ev in 1800,s
they used lead acid batteries back then
@@richy69ify doesn't mean we have to chuck away the huge improvements we have achieved on internal combustion car in one century or more
@@richy69ify Which are at least recyclable... 🤣🤣🤣
@@nicolagianaroli2024 And horse technology was improved and used in battle for centuries until even WW1. So what is your point. ICE's have great nostalgic value.
@@Pimpernicholas Actually horse technology was still relevant in WW2. Hitler wermacht used millions of horses to transport goods in USSR during the invasion. My point is the following. you should allow the free market to decide about the winner in a technological battle. Allowing the burecreats and politicians to take the lead is a recipe to disaster. If you allow the people to decide EV have no chance against ICE as it already happen one century ago
I work on EV's and Hybrids. Brakes, tires and suspension parts are easier, but expensive. Anything else, dealer only parts. 🤬
What's the betting ICE vehicle insurance premiums will rise in parallel to fund these milkfloats
Nice reference. i drove a United Dairy electric milk float back in the 60's!
Point was, they were not noisy stopping and starting early in the morning.
They already have.
I was at a conference earlier this year. A bloke from Aviva did a presentation and said that most evs in an accident get written off because no one is sure how much critical damage had been done to batteries and wiring, plus they can't get people to certify them as safe once they have been fixed as no one will guarantee that they will be ok. I suspect some main dealers will but most won't touch them. Must say, everytime i see a number plate with the green bit on now I have to laugh. If like to say to their smug pious faces that my van cost less than what your car has depreciated in the last 6 months 😂😂
It’s a virtue signal stripe lol. Working in a main dealer I can tell you most in fact nearly all get written off. Even almost new cars!
😂😂😂😂😂 toot toot and get it up them
"most evs in an accident get written off" Got a source for that claim my friend?
@@harold6863 if I had a 3+ litre petrol i'd put a green stripe on it out of badness
@@John_Wood_haha I was thinking the same for my Mustang V8!
Also…
Due to the EV’s additional weight, ALL suspension components, including tires and brakes, will wear out much quicker.
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Good Video Geoff.....Couldn't resist a chuckle when I saw a Tesla on my local ring road the other day with it's front 'stoved in'.....They won't be getting that back from repair this year!! 😁😁
Another concocted bovine excrement claim invented by anti-EV Luddites!
Well that's a coincidence, I've just been reading an article about this & was going to email it to you Geoff (haven't found out how to do that yet)....but you've already got it & done a video about it! The one I read suggested that an increase on all vehicle insurance should be made to cover the extra costs. Why should ICE vehicle owners pay for damaged EV storage costs?? Up their insurance not ours!
It will cost the ICE driver if they hit the EV, plus being heavier the EV could do more damage to ICE cars.
People still have to get to work and if it's a choice between quitting your job or not insuring your car i know which one I will choose.
@@sambrooks7862 Bicycle?
@@Pimpernicholas I'd like to see you cycle 50 thousand miles a year
@@sambrooks7862 I just hope that you are respectful of cyclists on the road. At least they are not polluting, as is the ICE driver. I've had two occasions when cycling that drivers were deliberately disrespectful. One tried to force me off my bicycle when making a left turn at a stoplight. The other involved my wife and I about 150 metres from a stoplight. The gravel truck, going our way, went past us at an excessive speed considering the closeness of the stoplight. And he missed us by not more than 1 metre. He had the whole other half of the road to pass. We could have been flattened under his wheels.
That's hilarious! Thanks you've brightened up my morning.
someone else put this up earlier and they said that you can't tow them as they generate electricity as you tow them above walking speed and they have to be recovered by a low loader, not a tow truck
That’s correct and unless you have a rugby team you can’t push them out of the way. You need to use skid plates under the wheels!
Wow i never knew that
To be fair though, you can’t tow four wheel drive ICE cars.
@@dungareesareforfoolsI have had Suzuki Grand Vitara, which has as a neutral transmission mode used for towing. Don't know if all 4wd makes and models have that.
@@shmatic9665 that’s a good idea - no they don’t all have that, I had a regular car which was 4WD, it specifically said that it shouldn’t be towed.
This is all great news Geoff. Hopefully, continuing government "guidelines" and meddling will drive owners, repairers and insurers to reject BEV's. Like many things in history, what WORKS will prevail, regardless of agenda.
We now pay £280 a year for insurance. We looked at an EV last year briefly and decided to get an insurance quote. We were quoted £1800 for the base model Y. Our EV journey was very short lived.
Yes Tesla Model Y insurance group is 46-49 check the old Nissan Leaf its around 19-22
Bullet dodged!
@@xperyskop2475 I don't like them. Poor range and that tunnel at the back restricting foot space... Staying with diesel for the time being.
In Canada I pay 120$ a month for regular car insurance! I wonder how much an EV is here
tell me a story Jackanory ...
I own a storage yard and there is no way in Hell I'd store an EV, crashed or not!
"They" reinvented the wheel and made it square!
Geoff this video needs to find its way to mainstream media ! There are people out there who don’t have a clue as to what’s going on in this crazy country we are living in at the moment, we really do need to rise up to this lunacy .
You’re joking about mainstream media. There’s a good reason you don’t hear about all these problems from those sources.
Another thing that wasn't explicitly mentioned but you could read between the lines is in a crash, the safety crew does even more damage to the vehicle trying to make it "safe". Things like cutting those nice, fat orange cables connecting the battery to the world.
A friend that works at a Harley dealership told me that they do not have a live wire ( EV bike) in the shop and they certified tech to work on them but they repair them under an awning away from the shop and that they can't be left overnight in the building due to insurance and the fire Marshall. I don't know if this is the case everywhere.
Very interesting indeed and I’ve often wondered the impact from this angle. Speaking as someone who deals with accident damaged cars at Copart, I can say we get very few full EVs apart from the odd Tesla, Zoes, and MGs. But in comparison to the volume we get daily, it’s about 10% for full EVs and another 20% for hybrids. We also have all the EVs and hybrids in a special area away from all the others. The Teslas are always a nightmare to work on as most of the time they lock themselves down. Great video Geoff
A very interesting comment. Sounds genuine, too. My bet is that Tesla will address this issue, quickly. Of all the car makers, they make changes far quicker than the rest of the pack.
"The Teslas are always a nightmare to work on as most of the time they lock themselves down.
"Most of the time" eh Richie? Got a source for your bullshit my man?
Do copart store them well away from other stock and other flammable materials?
So if you are trapped in EV that catches fire especially Teslas you are basicalky likely to be cooked alive
@@DennisMerwood-xk8wpseen as he works for them , that would be his source
The fence joke and your laugh, got a "like" 👍sooner than I normally do because, sadly it made me smile😂😂 thank you.
Top video! Many thanks Geoff.
It's very green to keep making new ones after every minor prang. This just keeps getting worse and worse, I'll just keep my XJ until I'm too old to drive, which is closer than I'd like. My other car is a Fiat I bought with a smashed in front from Copart and fixed it myself on the driveway.
Just purchase FSD from Tesla and keep on driving. The only thing is...None of the ICE manufacturers have it. And, it won't be long before Tesla does. I would suggest that you invest in some of the Tesla company shares. We've made enough to purchase an expensive Tesla along with FSD and we've only had the shares about 8 months while most of the others are breaking even at best. Tesla is for sale every day of the work-week.
@@Pimpernicholas FSD will never be safe.
@@system11yt You are speculating. Remember, "never" is a long time, to have to eat crow.
You are obviously not familiar with modern computers and AI, artificial intelligence.
There is also advice that after an EV crash you must not touch the vehicle unless you are wearing HV insulated gloves. That means that anyone trapped (e.g. a child) cannot be rescued from a crashed and possibly burning vehicle or from another nonEV vehicle that may be in contact with it. Caution! Don't crash your ICE car with an EV unless ,of course, you happen to have HV insulated gloves to hand (as most of us do - NOT).
Normally there will be a pyro fuse on the high voltage side they will blow if the airbags are fired which will disconnect the high voltage battery output from the cars electrical systems. Also if you look at the hybrid F1 cars for example they have a bright visible status light on top of the roll bar integrated with the camera, if it's green it's safe to touch - if it's red don't touch / driver has to jump to exit the car.
You're so dead on with true facts my friend! Ill be be following "U"!
I pointed this out years ago, even the fire brigade are reluctant to attend EV Fires. You also need to carry High Voltage gloves with you in case a child is trapped in the back.
Add this to the growing list of reasons to never buy one. And the lagging ev sales show people are starting to get it.
"lagging ev sales" hahahahaha Got a source for that roland? Or did you just pull it outa your arse?
All the pretentious clowns have already bought theirs ! Just wait until an EV bus or car catches fire and explodes on a busy town road .
Statistics are not on your side. ICE sales are decreasing while EV's are expanding exponentially. What are you going to do when the Earth runs out of crude? It's better used for other chemical needs than transportation.
The members of your so-called list have all been debuncked.
Goeff is just blowing smoke while being paid as we take in his site on RUclips. And he will know the truth! Do you really think he'd have a chance in a debate against Elon Musk on his issues with EV's?
I buy new but keep them as long as possible. My current vehicle is 11 years old, my wife's is 16 years old. The Mustang has had no major issues in that time our truck required a engine rebuild two years ago. Still much cheaper than a new vehicle. To replace my wife's truck with an equivalent vehicle would cost $ 70,000 over double what we payed for our truck 16 years ago. So your advice to keep your old car is spot on.
Driving a truck just for basic transportation? A little selfish on the crude, don't you think? And the rest of the environment?
In case anyone wants a nice easy way to think about the space needed - a football pitch is about 80m by 40m. An EV is about 5m x 2m. To have 15m between it and anything else, it needs to sit centrally in a square 32m x 35m. So, broadly, you can store 2 cars on a space the size of a football pitch.
lunacy , govt needs to stop this nonsense
When you consider that there are close to 200,000 vehicles involved in accidents on Britain's roads in a year (136,000 actual accidents recorded with more than one car involved in many of them), then the LITTER effect would have been substantial if everyone had been driving an EV at the time. Luckily, many of the current vehicles were repairable and could return to work without becoming litter.
How about people start driving with due care and attention and cause fewer accidents?
Good information, thank you.
Thanks Geoff i was just going to scrap my £600 skoda diesel and buy a £70k spaceelectricwagon but you saved me :)
The good news is that if you had 'invested' that £70k in an ICE vehicle the chances are that in three years' time you will probably be facing financial wipe-out. Time will tell.
One issue with EV's is their high weight which could cause more damage in a collision due to inertia. Also, the technology is changing so quickly that parts availability after a few years might be a problem, especially with new manufacturers like Tesla who may not have a mature aftersales set up. In China there are too many EV manufacturers - with that and upcoming improved battery chemistry I wouldn't buy an EV for at least 5/10 years.
They’re no heavier than a 3 ton Range Rover, Audi Q8 or Landrover Defender, utter nonsense!
@@sergentcolon1When a 3 ton car hits a small hatch back it never ends well.
@@mw8653 that’s true whether the car is an ev or not, most ev’s are not 3 ton monsters though so the post is just more anti ev nonsense
With the preference, lately, for half ton trucks and large SUV's, the average weight of ICE cars is greater than that for EV's.
@@sergentcolon1 Did you you hear about the cargo ship currently on fire of the Dutch coast reportedly caused by an EV? 1 dead, 7 injured and potentially a massive environmental disaster in a UNESCO world heritage area! But, I wouldn't want to be anti-EV or anything.
This is all unraveling in front of their eyes.
Brilliant.
If you check out a Copart depot there’s dozens of crashed EVs just lying around because unlike normal cars (which sell for repair quickly) nobody knows how to or wants to repair them.
And while they sit there they hit the insurance Co. For £600 a DAY hire charge!
Can someone remind me who started this EV trend and all those moronic manufacturers jumped on board putting all their eggs in one basket
Ferdinand Porsche?
it is part of the plan developed at Davos to make ordinary people much poorer and dependable
Elon Musk got really excited and decided everyone should have the same opportunity to be intellectually immature.
@@theodavies8754 correct. In a sense if you buy a car built from a dude who claims that he is gonna build city on Mars you deserve it
Tesla?
This opened my eyes to many facts i didn't think of before. thanks.
Many thanks Geoff for another very important video and your ongoing common sense message that EVs are a disaster on every level.
This topic provides lots of click-bait for him. In other words, what is his real motive? No one knows for sure!
What is the insurance for dealerships having all of those BEV’s on the premises?
Great video once again. Totally agree with your comments. 👍👍👍👍👍
One of my colleagues had someone rear end his Tesla. It took so long to get repaired he brought a new one rather than keep waiting. After he had the new one Tesla then dropped the new prices. Check out the insurance group of EVs. Tells you all you need to know.
once bitten, twice shy?
That's why if you are budget savvy you will be happy with the Nissan Leaf ( or similar) only 107HP new ones are 147HP insurance group around 21 Teslas 279 HP insurance group 48
@@John_Wood_ Twice bitten on this occasion 😁
@@xperyskop2475 The relatively high power of EVs is a marketing need to try and help sell them, power of a Leaf is plenty for normal driving.
brought ??????????????????????????????????????????? you do not bruy a car you have BOUGHT a car or you can buy a car what is this brought stuff all about
as a qualified panel tech ive done a few ev,s but we struggled even getting proper shut down procedures from manufactures like MG,now we ship them out to other companies so i hope things have changed for their sake.
Over here in forklift land we make it incredibly easy. The lithium ion powered ones I work on have a shutdown / wake up button easily found on the top of the battery pack with a status light built in - there's a information tag with text & diagrams to show how to safely shut down & wake up the lithium ion battery. We shut them down during truck or battery repair plus road transport.
@@leepower2717 when shut down the battery is isolated from the vehicles electrics, if the batteries start to short out in the battery pack there is no way to stop it
Even getting a quote was practically impossible when my mum tried to get new insurance this week.. full no claims but all but 2 companies refused to even give her a quote at all!