Marvel Legends Invincible IRON MAN (Model 20) Retro Carded Action Figure Review
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Crazy how peak this figure would have been with a ball jointed waist
Yes, top Ironman for sure.
Hasbro would self immolate before they did a ball jointed waist on a Marvel Legends.
I'm team butterfly joints (I use the back sides often for action poses) but they can be done better than this. If they can't, then sculpt wins. The waist here kills the figure for me.
Anthony, I have always considered myself a pretty big fan of a great chest. Watching one of your Marvel Legends videos is a stark reminder that greed is more prevalent in product design than common sense. At Hasbro, greed must be part of their culture. A 7/10 Iron Man in 2024 is unacceptable as a collector. Thanks for your review on this one.
i like big chests too
I Agree 100%. There’s no excuse for companies to be putting out bad, mediocre or even just decent figures. There’s no reason to not do things right.
100% a fan of big, great luscious chests.
That’s why I stick with my import figures from either SHF or Mafex lol
Given he is wearing armor, I think Iron Man doesn’t need butterfly joints. Characters like Spider-man can use them, or characters like Warbird, where they can hide them in the design, that’s great too.
The fact that the figure ships with the neck reversed is *heinously* hilarious, being consistently witnessed across seven unboxings/reviews before getting to this one.
Hasbro ships figures with lower legs swapped too. It's been a problem for a long time and it seems to be only select figures that have an issue but when it does it's basically the whole run of that figure. Clone Wars Pilot Hawk is a prime example.
I'm not only on team "only use a butterfly join when necessary and only if it's cut properly" but I'm also starting to lean towards "single-jointed figures can function just as good and even look better than double-jointed figures when executed well." I recommend taking a look at the Black Series Ki-Adi-Mundi, Assajj Ventress, or select others from the line. Even Hasbro can do it!
I love butterfly joints if they're done like the s.h figuarts ginyu and super boo where it extends and doesnt break the sculpt. Characters like hulk NEED the butterfly joints to make poses like the clap
I am glad that WWE uses them on their Ultimate line. Makes it much easier to a ton of common moves. Any move that starts in a fireman's carry (F5 or Attitude Adjustment for examples) greatly benefits from this type of joint
I'm all for Butterfly Joints if done well. Sadly Hasbro muff them up more often than not. One they got right is on most of their Wolverine figs. Decent range and sculpted musculature on the chest butterfly.
I don't see that it's an; either big chest or, puny chest with butterfly joints choice.
Jada's Bison fig has a big chest and butterfly joints. It can be done.
I recently saw the Captain Marvel (Monica Rambeau) Doctor Doom from Secret Wars, two pack at a knock down price. The nostalgia hit was heavy, but they both use dated crappy articulation. I'd rather put my money toward the new Jada Street Fighter figs that are releasing later this year.
@@jonathanhampshire6856 Jada is the peak of action figures right now. I want to get one so bad just to see if they're that good but I'm not into street fighter. I hope they get the mortal Kombat license, that would be awesome
I'm team butterfly all day! But they can do butterfly with bigger chest if they did it right, like wolverine is a good example.
It's true
There's no issue in his chest size. The design is narrow and almost flat. That's how it looks in the comics, it's not supposed to look bulky. The sculpt of the armor is almost perfect (minus the hidden small shoulders).
The chest 100% doesn't look like this in the comics
@@AnthonysCustoms I see, however I did check online a couple of times, and this one is closely based on Adi Gronov's comic covers, specifically The Invincible Iron Man #5 and The Invincible Iron Man: The End Part #4. The chest part is supposed to look sleek and flat.
@@glennmanilingThat's not even the same armor, that's the Extremis Armor, Model 30. This is supposed to be the Pentagon Armor, either Model 25 or 26 which would be Mark 1-A and Mark 1-B respectively, but the packaging claims it's the Model 20 which is actually the Tin Man suit and the figure has the yellow oblique area which was on the Tin Man Armor that I've never seen on Pentagon before, on neither 1-A or 1-B. It's damn inaccurate, especially on something like the Pentagon Armor which was one of the bulkiest suits that started looking robotic as opposed to having muscles poke through the suit, so seeing him look this narrow in the chest is bothersome because I happen to have quite a strong affinity for this suit.
@@glennmanilingThat's Extremis, this is supposed to be the Pentagon Armor, similar looking outfit, but not the same.
Dude the plastic they used on the shins is what they should have used on the hands you stick the effect on.
although i don’t always agree with all your takes, your insight is beyond valuable. i really appreciate all you do for our niche community here anthony, thank you!
Happy to help
Butterfly joints are done pretty darn good on Joes. No idea what the ML team is doing .. so yeah, if it makes sense do it but if bit then just make the sculpt look better
For some reason black series and GI joes have MUUUUCH better engineering than marvel legends. I don't know how Hasbro can make their #1 seller line so bad compared to their other lines
Not really no, it also adds neglectable range on Joe, don't think they are worth it
I cant remember the last decent marvel legends figure i bought. Your reviews really help me avoid the bad figures
I personally F'ing love butterfly joints, it opens up your dynamic posing possibilities and in some cases, even gives you room for sillier poses.
That being said, Hasbro really seems to struggle with this type of joint when it involves a character wearing anything other than a cloth uniform or sporting a bare chest.
And this all comes from a guy that very mostly loves Hasbro, even when they screw up.
The gold Modular iron man figure is still the best iron man that hasbro produced
I fail to understand why people are so upset about the waist cut, but are always perfectly fine with thigh cuts. I'll never understand that logic. (And that includes bicep cuts too)
Ball pegs let the waist move more naturally, compared to thighs and biceps that just rotate, the waist needs to also lean similar to a neck.
@@glennmaniling yeah, I agree. Waist swivels are bad. Ball joints are good. But my point is that thighs, biceps and shin swivels are horrible looking, and non anatomically correct. Legs rotate from the hip, arms rotate from the shoulder. Lower leg can rotate from the knee. And lots of toy companies do their figures that way. Without ugly and non anatomically articulation.
But people here are mad cause a little waist cut, and totally fine with everything else. That's not rational. And that's my point
I really love and aprecciate the effort and honesty you put in your videos man because before i buy stuff I really wanna know what I am buying and you help a lot with that man
I like this figure and I can get past most of the other stuff but the waist joint makes me mad. And even worse is the fact that Iron Men haven’t had waist joints in years so when consumers complain about this they won’t make it better, they’ll just go back to not having one at all.
It's almost like it's intentional
Butterfly joints when necessary for the character and only when done right. The range of the articulation and the overall look of the figure is still more important. A figure like armored Daredevil may not have butterfly joints, but the range of the articulation of its other joints more than make up for it.
I'm waiting on the finless version of this figure. You know it's coming.
I think the hard thing with getting a butterfly joint right is that it's an extension of the pecs. So it is tucking inside the chest rather than flexing underneath the surface and stretching with extension. So for it to be done right, they might as well reserve it for characters that really need it. I don't have this figure in hand yet, but I do see how unnecessary that joint is. This and Extremis are my favorite armors, but I really didn't expect either to be done perfectly by Hasbro.
I don't really care as much about the proportions/sculpting being anatomically super pleasing on Iron Man-type characters because it's a cybernetic suit and not actual human musculature.
Speaking of pinching, old ML Nick Fury/Dugan that was on Toybiz Punisher mold is really good example of proper pinching and leg and arm muscle sculpt despite outdated articulation engineering.
For me the Iron Man 2 4" hasbro figures were my favorites. I wish I bought more of them when they were out I only have about 10 of them.
I'm basically on the opposite side about butterfly joints - I want to have them, unless the character/design absolutely necessitates *not* having them there. But that's of course under the assumption that they actually function, and don't completely ruin the look. I don't give a crap about having points of articulation just for the sake of checking off some box if the joint doesn't work, but that applies for anything, not just butterfly joints. Simply put I'm typically more annoyed with butterfly joints that don't work than with their aesthetic impact. But if they fail on both counts, yeah that obviously sucks.
In this instance (as with many MLs) I think they could've given the chest more volume irrespective of the butterfly joint - it's just one of the countless weird anatomy quirks we see all over the place in Marvel Legends, so I think the inclusion of butterfly joints is only partly to blame. Having said that I don't think your critique is misplaced; had the figure come out with a great looking, well-proportioned torso but no butterfly joints, I don't think I would've missed them.
This guy smh the simon Cowell of fn toys
Gordon Ramsay
keep spending money on shit then
I find it weird how this design has the usual ab-crunch/waist swivel combo. The proportions leaning more to the Extremis/MCU proportions made me expect a diaphragm joint like on those guys.
From what I heard, in one of the podcasts, apparently the lower torso was supposed to have a ball joint. Something changed or the factory didn't take it into account and we got what we got.
This is also Model 24 armor, not 20. Classic Hasbro 🤌
Thats so sad to hear... a ball joint at the waist wouldve made this one of the best iron man figures ever.
i hope they change that part for the Pentagon Armor
@@D-Prime248 if they did that, that'd be my #1 marvel legends iron man. I love that armor.
the Extremis and the Modular IM are by so far the best IM figures from hasbro
If they moved the pivot point of the butterfly joint forward a few millimeters it would get so much more useful range and not require the ugly chest cuts. A really good example of this was the Play Arts Kai Lupo figure (from the RE:Operation Raccoon City game)
I'm an iron man collector, sentinel re-edit doesn't scale that well with mafex and marvel legends but this one could definitely use a paintjob
As always, I'm all for WORKING butterfly joints. Pretty much from any other company. Hasbro has this weird thing where they see a trend in articulation and SORT OF do it. Like when they started trying the new neck peg on Spider-Man, randomly sucked at it, and cut a giant chunk out of the back of his neck to make it "work" instead of...you know, redesigning it. They're always halfway there and then just stop dead.
That said, I also get a lot of figures I'm happy with and are fun to pose. Just doesn't mean that Hasbro really understands this most of the time. There's just always SOMEthing. A strange joint here, a weird sculpt there, a part reuse that had no thought put into it. Just a shame.
Since no one here is saying it I’ll say it.
Marvel vs Capcom is back!
That was the big surprise for me in the direct.
Team butterfly here
Are the fins removable?
Concerning the butterfly joint, it depends. For Spider Man and Nightcrawler, yes. For Juggernaut and Hulk, no.
Hulk definitely needs butterfly joints. How else can he clap his hands? 🤔
@@jonathandevereaux298a shame they only work going backwards. A lot of their Wolverine figs have good forward and back range, so I think they could've done it. Of course Hasbro would skip the Hulk clap hands.
I wanna see you make a iron Man figure Anthony, that would be very cool tbh
i just got this figure and my legs go higher than whats shown on this video, did they drop a updated version?
Knights of the Zodiac figures usually come with two chest pieces, so you can choose if you rather have the range or the looks. I don’t think marvel legends would bother tho.
Hey Anthony,I love your videos.I also wanted to let you know that the Goblin Queen is back in stock at Big Bad Toy Store :)
Thanks. I saw. I already got one though. Just need Cyc and Jean now.
@@AnthonysCustoms Oh ok.😁 I hope you will be able to get them soon 😊
0:44 "the" package? It's so over
Dwight stahl and his team just have no idea how to incorporate a double ball peg on the waist, even though the GI Joe guys across the hall do it so well. Which means it’s just the legends design team being lazy
I may cut those hand flaps too to add more range
I love the sculpt, if only the wrists and waist were better.
The only thing that really bugs me about this figure personally is the stupid repulser hands. The piece on the back ruins almost any blasting or flying poses. Other than that I'm really liking the look of this Iron Man, I'll probably pick it up as my new Avengers display Iron Man.
Man, AC ripped this figure a new one. I’m pretty sure he said some good things about it, but the negative outweighs the positive. Lol.
Can't we have both if Hasbro learned to engineer and design?
Yes call out the people. The Dwight Stalls and the Jesse Falcons😂
This would have been an excellent opportunity to use a ball jointed waist joint.
I did not like the wrist armor blocking a good ruplosor blast pose. I tried to pose the one I got shooting them but it looks terrible because his hands are stuck shooting down
What if you heat the wrists and try bending into position? Or maybe cut a bit of the material away from the back of the armour plate.
@@jonathanhampshire6856 maybe cutting some off would be the best option
I'm on team BBB. Big better and bad figures. Give the articulation according to the character so I'm with you Antonio
I enjoy the hell out of this figure and this a long with extremis are the first two armors that I saw and was used to growing up. It's such a dope look. I like the feel of the articulation on it, it moves very smooth in hand. Also this is the model 24 not model 20 they got it wrong
thast why i like my threezeros iron man instead
Thought the exact same thing about the waste cut. Could not have cost much more to use a ball peg and cut at literally the most obvious location
Team butterfly joint
They could have cut the lower torso on the Model 20 like they did on the Extremis Armor as both as related.
I didn't really like this armor in the comics. I just didn't like when the armors started looking overly detailed. Just my opinion.
Also, this is Model 24 in the comics lol.
I think my biggest gripe with the Iron Man figures is they make them too scrawny. I got the War Machine repaint of the modular armor ('cause I'm a big MvC fan), and he's so thin! He needs to be bulkier. This Model-20 isn't too bad, but the shoulders (minus the pads) are kinda ass. It's like they forget that Iron Man is a guy in a suit and not a naked robot.
Agreed
I want butterfly joints on every figure idc it just feels like I’m getting more for my money. And his chest only looks small if you assume his pecs end at the butterfly joint line but I don’t think that was the intention the butterflies are part of the pecs
It doesn't look small. It is small.
Wonderful argument, Anthony. As I said, the butterfly joints are part of the chest. The figure is made of plastic, not flesh or fictional flexible metal. Sometimes you have to make a cut in a spot where there isn’t one on a human. I’m sorry the illusion doesn’t fool you but I can see their vision. There are lots of things to complain about with this figure, the elbows, the wrists, the waist cut, etc. but the butterfly joints are not one of them. I think you just don’t like butterfly joints in the first place.
I love it!
Great figure, but yeah I don't know what they were thinking with those repulsor hands. Especially in the same wave as Model 9 which had good repulsor hands, and the mcu mark iii has the hand guards posed so the hands could actually point outward. Makes no sense
Tony Stank!
I agree with your review. This is a pass in my eyes and I love to add armours to my collection. If I would have known Hasbro would fall so hard I wouldn’t have collected at 1/12. Look at the beautiful work ZD is doing with Iron Man line. For the price, I wish I had collected 1/10 scale. The import figures are way nicer and the quality is on another level.
Not bothered about butterfly joints, unless it's a character who wields a sword (or similar) and the butterfly allows them to hold it with 2 hands.
On Hasbro, I wonder if it's a cultural thing with the company. Not excusing it, but wondering if employees have to follow orders, and aren't allowed to challenge or push back? Therefore when bad decisions get made, no one challenges it, or those objections get buried?
def team better chests.. also, this is probably my favorite iron man figure. its not perfect, but its really solid. (also didn't notice the neck was backwards on mine as well)
5:23
Always a *WASTED* Potential for Hasbro.
-Pun intended
Yeah just needed a ball joint waist and not that ugly cut swivel, otherwise I do love this fig a lot
Guess bc I kove ironoman I was digging the figure. Love the look of him but I see where your coming from it's like toxic love when you love the character
It's weird how good the gi joe classified series is compared to Marvel Legends. They're made by the same company.
4:18 I seriously don’t understand how all these figures have narrow builds: WE WANT BOULDER SHOULDERS and. BEEF CHEST
fun fact: the neck is backwards even on the product shots
Incompetence
My all time favorite iron man is modular ironman, but this figure beats it imo.
Also, I don't typically comment more than once on a single video but I just finished it and I have to say...unforgivable release. I really wanted this guy but the fact that you can't accomplish the character's most iconic pose and the butterfly joints are only there for appearances...I'm embarrassed for you Hasbro.
I Want To Buy It.
Can pointing with Spidershots finger be a new thing on this channel? Because I need that on every day of the week except Wednesday.
I'm not going to use his hands because of the double fingers
the arms going back looks strange. the butterfly was not well executed.
butterfly team everyday. Tired of not usable Ironman figures.
I'm just buying ZD toys Ironman these days. Articulation's crap but at least they look good with their metallic paint and hard plastic. Not some weird soft plastic with swirling gold paint.
They even got the model wrong, this is model 24 cuz model 20 has round knees and doesn’t have the blade in the back.
I'm team better chest unless it's a certain character that needs them. Not to mention Hasbro's butterfly joints don't always even function properly in the first place.
This is the 1st marvel legend I actually want... After like a decade of horrid figures they finally made one I like. However I prob won't get it cause there's no other good marvel figs to go with it.
Hasbro Marvel Legends: One missed opportunity after another. It’s like they strive to achieve mediocrity at every level. Great review as always.
Sculpt>Butterfly Joint 99% of the time
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Do marvel select titanium man anthony
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some figure are better with butterfly-joints and some are not..
I don't like butterfly joints
I mean at this point the engineers on the legends team are the worst in the industry. What do we need to get a good figure from them across the board?pay $30 a figure? Oh wait collectors already do that and still don’t get a quality release. This is why I haven’t bought a legends figure in 3 years
Their main designer who does the streams needs fired imo, only good part of that team is Dan, wish the Joe team would steal him away lol.
I'm team MORE ARTICULATION, but it has to be executed well. Do I want Hasbro to add unnecessary articulation? No. The waist twist here is the perfect example. If our options are this UGLY horizontal cut or NO ARTICULATION AT ALL, then make his waist a brick, because they clearly aren't able to pull it off within their budget. Do it right or don't do it at all.
What's The Sense Of Making Figures If They Don't Care?
Purely for the money.
Money money money
I learned that butterfly joints are completely useless. I think the best shoulder joints would be something like that Cable you just reviewed. They almost got it but that ugly underarm lump holds it back. I hate this trend of small chests. It doesn’t look good, ever.
Those doofs LMAO
Never forget Hasbro laid off 1100 employees (20% of their workforce) because of their idiotic business decisions running several of their lines into the ground.
I like the aesthetics but some of the design choices are baffling.
Anthony, it feels like you are making a conscious effort to be more positive. Also, I personally would love to hear you call the specific people out who are fooling a lot of people.
Yall really crave drama huh?
@@Saiyan1229they really do
I just review the figures the way they're made. No effort to be positive or negative.
@@AnthonysCustoms yeah. You, unparalleled, robo, and d amazing are the top 4 in my opinion
“Anthony, it feels like you are making a conscious effort to be more positive. Stop doing that and start creating drama.”
What a perfect way to encapsulate Anthony’s audience.
A decent amount of collectors of said property probably don't have very good communication skills so sufficing an argument is near to non existent, and lack the vocabulary skills also. Education people, lawl. (=
I’m not a big fan of butterfly joints, 98% of the time they’re useless.
Butterfly joints for smaller characters like Spider-Man for sure. For the likes of Cap and Iron Man, no. Just looking at my shelf and the basic DCUC buck that they used for most figures is fantastically proportioned and very super-heroic and they don't have a butterfly between them.