If Mephiles somehow got out or was written back into the story I can see him having an existential crisis. He's free for the first time in what feels like forever, but has no purpose as Iblis is likely forever out of reach. So I can honestly imagine him taking on a role similar to Happy Chaos from Guilty Gear. An immensely powerfull, virtually immortal, being that is just happy to exist again. Still an antagonistic force, but one that takes in a more neutral(?) approach, as he literally has nothing but time on his hands.
Iblis wasn’t very far away actually. All Mephiles had to do was escape from Shadow (good luck to him on that) and then go to Sonic’s side of White Space and then go to Crisis City where Iblis was but I’m sure he had no idea what was even happening to get a plan together fast enough
I could legit see Sonic Team doing that early part as a way to bring Mephiles back. I mean Shadow Gens just did it with Doom, so I could absolutely see them going "Yeah, he just hitched a ride in Shadow's shadow and waited to recuperate".
I think it would be pretty interesting if, after Mephiles’ boss if you stand idle for a solid minute, perhaps Shadow’s regular shadow slowly morphs into the shape of Mephiles? Maybe once it fully morph, you could see a pair of glowing red eyes appear on the shade for just a moment but it quickly turns back to normal the moment you start moving. It would be a very subtle piece of foreshadowing that people would likely only notice upon replays
The fact that Mephiles is back in Generations means he canonically survived being completely erased from existence with his timeline. I'm not kidding when I say that not even Beerus would be able to kill him.
I really wish they would bring back mephiles for real. Sonic needs more reoccurring villains aside from eggman. It’s always so cool whenever they bring in a villain that isn’t eggman or a creature released by eggman. Characters like mephiles and infinite should return in more games and get more fleshed out
@@joshuahecht6866Metal, Orbot, and Cubot are almost always involved with Eggman aside from when Metal rebels against him as Neo Metal. The Babylonian Rogues would be cool, but I feel like they’ll really only appear in another Riders game, and Black Doom’s more of Shadow’s antagonist rather than Sonic’s.
Mephiles could probably convince characters to trust him, sonic's the only one that remembers 06 and sonic never saw mephiles or even heard his name or knew he existed period
wait, where did it say Sonic remembers? I know the end cutscene in 06 implies he did remember Elise at the very least but I thought in Gens Crisis City felt unknown to him, and only vaguely familiar to Blaze. (also, I havent played through the reworked version yet)
@@ORLY911 The JP version of TSR implies that out of everyone, Sonic is the only one who fully remembers the events of 06, likely because he was at the heart of the reset with Elise It's currently unknown if this is going to be carried over to the western side of things however
@@syweb2 there's like this exchange between him and Silver where Sonic asks the latter what happened to his energy from when they first met with him being all "I will destroy you!" and stuff by which Silver replies with him having no recollection of what Sonic had just said to him
In a cosmic sorta sense, the idea of Mephiles coming back after Shadow generations is far more plausible than it sounds. Afterall, how can Shadow now remember fighting something that doesn't (and never) existed? I think that sorta gives Mephiles a way back in
He could also maybe hitch a ride with either Eggman. It'd be as simple as revealing that they crossed paths while the doctors managed to find their way out of white space.
@@jonathanflanagan1504 That's honestly the only way I can see the Eggmen getting out of white space. They had no tech, they have no special powers, my guess? They found Mephiles, freed him, and got back their timelines allowing him to hitch a ride with one of them on the condition he doesn't interfere with their plans.
Fun Fact! The IDW Comics are 100% canon! Tangle is mentioned by name in Frontiers. This also means that Sticks from the Boom franchise show is canon, as Amy mentions her at the end of the game.
6:52 As soon as you mentioned your rewrite, I just thought of a crazy idea of Mephiles attaching himself to Nil's Shadow and then he (and more importantly, the audience) would see the wonderful friendship Hero and Nil have and the adventures they're doing after the events of Forces and Infinite removing himself from Nil. ^^ Just thinking about it makes me tear up for some reason lol.
This is a great start to a what if, and I always had a theory that the Sol dimension was created due to the Solaris reset, the chaos emeralds Blaze had on her when she was sealed and Iblis's influence so it's nice to see someone think along the same lines.
honestly I like the idea that even if not as a major villain, I kind of want to see mephiles' life, maybe he has some cameos like sa2 big. Imagine, shadow passes by, you see mephiles during some automation... i dunno, scheming, but it doesn't happen every time and is quick so it's like playing tricks on you.
My wish for the game was for every villain to be defeated except for Mephiles, having him slip through the cracks and escape into the time stream. Lose to Shadow yeah, but do a mwahaha and bail right before he goes down for good. Don't even bring him back in the same game, only acknowledge it in open-zone dialogue. That way he's a set-up now, a looming threat that we know can bark and bite, just out there somewhere in the timeline waiting for his moment to rise. It's such a huge shame they didn't go that route.
Yes, he's survived lol. Let's be real though, it would've been lame to have him in a main antagonist role in a game as short as Shadow Generations. Makes far more sense to leave him for a bigger game in the future.
These are always fun And honestly you have written Mephiles like Sauron an undying weak pseudo-god entity that can not ever be truly destroyed but instead forever waits and plots.
I do hope they do more with Mephiles in the future. Although, it's mostly because I think the idea of a Shadow sub-series having a Council of Shadow Haters made up of Black Doom, Mephiles and Infinite as its main villains is really funny.
while Sonic 06 had a lot of issues, the story was never THAT bad imo and Mephiles was definitely the best bit. An actual serious antagonist who is legitimately a threat and let's not forget that before the timeline was changed, he was the only antagonist to straight up kill sonic with minimal effort. Shadow is the one being to actually be an issue for Mephiles because of his chaos based powers but him also being near impossible to actually destroy could make him a great re-occurring "puppet master" type antagonist or hell even go a similar route to Shadow himself and have a "free" Mephiles, who doesn't have to worry about making sure his timeline DOES happen, struggle with what that actually means. really play into his final line of "I want to exist" and what that'd mean for better or worse. honestly I could see him being the perfect "Reverse Flash" for Shadow. 100% a villain/Antagonist but one that essentially decides to exist PURELY to be an eternal thorn in the heroes side and make them *better* as a result. You never quite know when he'll pop up but the fact he randomly could makes him easy to drop into plots.
Mephiles could also of made a deal with dr.eggman and classic eggman where he would get them out of white space if they traveled to the past and stopped sonic and Elise from erasing him from the timeline, and they probably would agree to do it since it could be the only way out of white space and they don’t remember mephiles.
Mephiles pre-boss fight: I will defeat you and restore myself to the timeline. Mephiles in his last stand: no... I want... to exist. Mephiles post boss fight: (A cutscene after shadow leaves the portal gate feeling uneasy as the camera turns to his shadow with glowing red eyes) I will exist, regardless if they want me or not. (the red glowing eyes fade away into the shadow, as shadow turn back proceeds to move on as we here a slight cackle of pure malice)
0:21 idk what you're interested in making, but something related to Silver and/or Infinite would have been cool. Silver: How did he get into White Space? Why did he hesitate to help Sonic? Infinite: What if Infinite was brought into Shadow Generations? Imagine if he and Black Doom worked toguether using the Phantom Ruby to utterly torment Shadow... or at least try to
I'm not him but I wrote a little script about Silver's involvement in the form of an extra section in Shadow Generations (because Silver needs more screentime if Shadow and Metal got it, and where's the Shadow the Hedgehog 2005 level?). Basically Shadow already knows that there's more than one Sonic (and is aware of time shenanigans), and encourages Silver to make sure it's the right one after receiving the white Chaos Emerald for him.
@thomasezzy that is actually really clever Shadow could have told Silver about there being more than one Sonic and to give his Emerald to the right one, but he could have misinterpreted it as there actually having a fake Sonic sent for the Emeralds
Imagine Mephiles coming back and instead of Ibliss, he combines his power with Chaos and absorbs The End from Frontiers Mephiles has the potential to be the new big bad of Sonic. As much as I love Robbie Daymond from Critical Role, his voice didn’t quite fit in Shadow X Generations. It needs to be deeper and more menacing
Woah! I always loved the rewrite-type content and the way you present it! I get that this kinda thing requires inspiration to hit but felt the need to say more of this pls and thank you lol
I feel like this absolutely should’ve happened. Not only how this would work to build up to a great game, thus would really create a better reason a justice to him.
PLEASE DO MORE~!!! I've missed this so much and this content is amazing~! I was introduced to your content via the rewrites and enjoyed them 10 fold. It inspired me to come up with a few of my own, so please do more, because I can't wait for part 2~!
This was sick! To be honest I'm really hoping we see Burning Blaze and Super Shadow team up to defeat Mephiles by the end of this what if. Mostly becaude Blaze is Mephiles' primary target and Shadow is Mephiles' nemisis so I think it would be fitting.
One story I’ve always wanted to know would be how Mario and Sonic met, ( as to my knowledge, in the Olympic Games, we are never told). I think that could be a fun crossover what if! Also, cool video, keep up the good work!
@ agreed! I think it’d be cool if it was either an rpg like Mario and Luigi, or maybe just a platformer that combines the gimmicks / elements of both franchises.
Honestly... Part of me hopes Mephiles does return more often now. With how aware he is of his timeline's now non-existance, Mephiles could become the Sonic series' Reverse Flash of sorts. A living paradox looking to mess up everything for the sake of chaos and in desperation to 'exist'.
I can imagine Mephiles giving Shadow the mother of all Faustian bargains by saying that he can bring Gerald and Maria from the point of their deaths back to life, in exchange for him being restored to the timeline. Shadow will have a hard time saying "NO" to that deal.
Knowing he can produce infinite clones of himself, it's pretty safe to assume that in case Sega truly wanted Mephiles back they can simply say Shadow imprisoned a clone and the real Mephiles found a way out, either through Shadow's Shadow or through whatever exit the Eggmen managed to find after losing
hey, i have an interrsting story idea you should try covering! how about; what if shadow didnt die on the ark? so pretty much, at the end of sa2, he doesnt over-exert himself and die. i think a lot of interesting things would change, such as shadows relationship with eggman, as he never went through the, "holy shit am i a robot?" phase which surely affected his feelings towards eggman, and shadow 05 would play out VERY differently, considering hes a hero from the start through and through. thatd be very interesting for you to cover! also, love the story youre cooking up. its very interesting, so far, and the way you made mephiles sneak out of the fight was genius!
Best ending is that Mephilis comes out, realizes that, even though he exists, he has nothing to exist for. No one even remembers his name. So he changes it to Memphis Tennessee and creates his own purpose in the form of an online Let's Play channel
I have a what if idea. What if Maria survived and was sent in a pod and landed in angel island and Knuckle's grand parent's somehow used the master emerald to keep her alive?
Honestly dude, this is awesome! I can't wait for part 2! Don't know if this will get the same turnout as your Forces rewrite or not, but something tells me you'll blow that one out of the water in terms of how awesome this one is gonna be. I loved the Forces rewrite, I'm super pumped about this one too! As for another story idea for you, might I suggest what if it were to be a different character going through the events of Frontiers with Sonic being the one stuck in limbo? My first thoughts are Tails, but I'm curious what you think. Let's be real though, a super form for Tails would be incredibly cool! Can you imagine how awesome Tails battling a titan would be?
Sonic 06 was a mess, let’s be honest, but it was a mess with potential, and one of the signs of that was his character. I hope Sega chose to bring him back shortly to see how we would react, so if it went well he could return for real in the future.
This is so awesome! I can't wait for part 2! Please if SEGA can make a story half this creative and actually manage to neatly add it to the main timeline (and bring in IDW) I will be awestruck. Plus if you know about the rumours of a Sonic 06 remake potentially in development who knows what could happen.
Y’know what, weirdly, as soon as you said rest of the timeline I was like oh yeah shadow gens isn’t the last sonic game in the time line cause I was worried it was just about to end
what if mephilis catches on how the sol dimension is a mirror of the chaos dimension so he lies to blaze, making her think that hes the mirror version of shadow, to gain her trust
theres just so many ways the sonic universe can be expanded upon. short of sonic oc's sonic fanfics and theories are right up there with em. a lot of the time its people trying to fix the broken storytelling of the games but un... sega did it on purpose for more fan engagement yea thats it totally.
Now I'm wondering how Mephiles would react to Disaster the Cat, a villain oc based on Proto-Blaze. Think, Mephiles but applied to the Sol Emeralds' history and surprisingly friendly rather than maniacal, like the Collector in Aurora. If she had a theme, it'd be called Stained Shadows, referencing her shadowy appearance and her blue fire, which is typically hotter, and also the actual stained shadows thing that happened with those particular nukes and I think pompei? I haven't written the fic yet, but I imagine it'd start with Marine calling Blaze with Jeweled Septer. Blaze asks what's wrong and Marine's response; "The horizon's on fire!"
TSR actually takes place before Forces (since there's no time frame between the end of Forces and one of the cars first appearing in the comics where the Eggman/Zavok team up could happen), so I'd like to imagine Mephiles didn't track Blaze then because the friendship powered engines warded his bad vibes off.
Mephiles said himself in 06 "The "I" of now has absorbed your power through your shadow. What worked 10 years ago wont work anymore" So its totally possible mephiles COULD break free or left some of his essence out of the sceptre but ofc just my speculation.
I mean, he _did_ survive... he just couldn't assert his exisrence due to his petty grudge against Shadow. Shouldve fucked off after things started going south and laid low until he cam sneak back into the timeline. He can still come back, but it would likely be the next time an entity specifically capable of erasing time crops up. That said, Time Eater was destroyed after it was mechanized by Eggman, but it wasn't _erased._ Its likely a fixed point in time and cant be truly defeated unless it was wiped out in all time periods it existed like Solaris was
I suppose the craziest thing is that Mephiles is just a half baked side effect of a failed lab experiment, so he wasn't even supposed to exist to begin with. He literally just gained sentience after an explosion and got cornered by some guy (Shadow) while trying to find his way out of a labyrinth of cold metal hallways underwater. He literally reacted with an uncharacteristically startled tone the first time Shadow seals him away in 06, indicating that his first few minutes of sentience was probably the most terrifying experience he's ever had and decided to make that everyone else's problem. We don't even know if baseline Mephiles from the first instance of his existence (the first time he was created) was even intent on destruction or was just reacting like a cornered animal. And then he just keeps getting dragged through getting sealed away and erased and revived again and again and again and again... Dude probably went insane. And, if we want to humor the idea that the Archie continuity was somewhat canon, then there's also that time he was an inmate in Zone Jail briefly, with a control collar latched around his neck and his powers nullified. I wanna know how he managed to get arrested, because THAT had to be quite a sight to witness. 👀
I didn't want to ask this question because I know you're busy, and now you have this story to tell but my curiosity has gotten the best of me. What's going on with the Sonic Generations rewrite.
I was always interested in bringing Mephiles the Dark. Since I was getting back into Steven Universe around the time Shadow Gens came around, so I always thought it would be fun to have him work alongside the Diamonds in a crossover of SU and STH. Nobody in the story really likes him, but he doesn’t need that. Heck, he fits in with the other Gems considering his crystalline design.
Theyre definitely planning something involving him, Silver and 06 (at least somewhat). All the random appearances and name drops and Ian confirming lore surrounding 06 (Iblis sealed in Blaze in the current timeline, Solaris apparently being stronger than The End) Mephs new boss fight feels like it was specifically placed as a surprise and a teaser, with interesting dialogue from Mephiles and he's very much still alive. I think it's leading into either A silver game or B an 06 remake, which the producer mentioned he'd like to work on.
I also made my own fanfic in a similar way. However, mine goes a different route where Mephiles sees how close Silver and Blaze are. He uses that to his advantage, getting a jump on and killing Silver in front of her, causing her to have a breakdown like Elise did. However, this is different. It's not sadness... no.. it's pure rage. It does release Iblis but as a chained power to her. Mephiles will have to kill her to get Iblis back
This is very interesting so far, does Iblis contribute anything to Blaze’s power or is he sort of just a passenger as well? Oh and I have to ask has Mephiles lost his power to time travel? I’d assume so since he’s been doing a lot of waiting when he could just time travel, 5:59 Wow even Mephiles knows the 6 are worthless lmao I doubt this is going to contribute to anything and is likely just a fun little nod but it feels weird to include the Olympic games as they are absolutely not canon, 7:31 well unless they’re gonna do something weird frontiers confirms they are canon. 0:20 So unless I’m getting this wrong is this you implying you’re trying out making fanfics again? if so then that’s cool but you should definitely try not to tire yourself out as (unless I’m wrong) that kind of put you off the idea of making them for awhile.
ok i got an idea for part 2 of if mephiles survived shadow generations first up is the metal virus mephiles sees eggman and his new alie dr starline made a virus at turn people or animals into robot and relastde them mephiles got an idea so mephiles mind controls the zombot to attack eggman but sonic stop zavok and sonic frontiers maybe mephiles mind controls sage to be act so emosanol and kind to eggman but really she just a ai with no feelings becuse of mephiles and sees how sonic and his friends are getting stronger so if sonic and his friends are getting stronger maybe hes going to get stronger by getting all the past villains even scurge and kit and mephiles told them to join them witch they revurse so mephiles got the thing at dr starline has when he died and use it to hyponized and brainwash and to be evil again and mephiles can get his revenge on sonic silver shadow all of them will pay and gets every villain possible but not eggman no if he sees mephiles eggman would exparemnt on him but metal sonic he perrfect for a new body for mephiles the dark so yea what do you think sorry my typing is kinda bad also i want if neo metal sonic won in sonic heros
Ooh, I like this! Though, I would have Memphis Teneesee bump off Elise, as she was technically the one who dealt Solaris the killing blow, and if I were Mephiles, I'd be VERY tilted at the towers about that.
Maybe this would be Sega’s plan to bring him back, but this vid’s “What If” would be explained in the future when Mephiles would theoretically returns (Also Mephiles just chillin next to Shadow would be kinda cute ngl)
The phantom ruby creates illusions strong enough to have real effects, so if a fake sun crashes down on you it will do the same thing as the real sun does, and if it "teleports" someone their body will move there instantly, it's illusions are not real but they trick the universe itself to cause real effects
6:22 actually 🤓☝️ It is heavily implied that Shadow did indeed kill The Jackal Squad. On top of this, Ian Flynn confirms this flat out. Really great video btw, didn’t actually think about this!
I can definitely see Mephiles surviving, but only in a seriously weakened form. After all, being able to time travel would be a little too powerful if he can just go terminator on the cast
With recent talk of a potential Sonic 06 Remake, I honestly would prefer an idea like this to set the stage for a Sonic 06 sequel of sorts with a brand new story instead. Definitely love the ideas presented here! Also I almost completely forgot about Blaze having sealed Iblis within herself at the end of Silver's story in 06. Does that mean there are two Iblises? (well at least, there was before present timeline Solaris was wiped from existence) I love Sonic 06 plotholes 😭
PART 2:
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The fandom: proceeds to dig up Mephiles’ grave
“Get up there’s more story to be done with you!”
Yeah
Surprisingly,Shadow did discover his grave.🤔
If Mephiles somehow got out or was written back into the story I can see him having an existential crisis. He's free for the first time in what feels like forever, but has no purpose as Iblis is likely forever out of reach.
So I can honestly imagine him taking on a role similar to Happy Chaos from Guilty Gear. An immensely powerfull, virtually immortal, being that is just happy to exist again. Still an antagonistic force, but one that takes in a more neutral(?) approach, as he literally has nothing but time on his hands.
Sounds fun
Seeing people mention Happy Chaos just reminds me of what my friend said about him. "He's also my favorite sexuality: Irish!"
I mean Ifrit exsits
@FloobusGoobus26 that's not part of Solaris Ifrirt is it's own demon
Iblis wasn’t very far away actually. All Mephiles had to do was escape from Shadow (good luck to him on that) and then go to Sonic’s side of White Space and then go to Crisis City where Iblis was but I’m sure he had no idea what was even happening to get a plan together fast enough
I could legit see Sonic Team doing that early part as a way to bring Mephiles back. I mean Shadow Gens just did it with Doom, so I could absolutely see them going "Yeah, he just hitched a ride in Shadow's shadow and waited to recuperate".
If Memphis Tennessee survived he would've welcomed us to Tilted Towers once again...
I think it would be pretty interesting if, after Mephiles’ boss if you stand idle for a solid minute, perhaps Shadow’s regular shadow slowly morphs into the shape of Mephiles? Maybe once it fully morph, you could see a pair of glowing red eyes appear on the shade for just a moment but it quickly turns back to normal the moment you start moving.
It would be a very subtle piece of foreshadowing that people would likely only notice upon replays
That would actually be a plot twist no one saw coming.
Including that post credit scene where mephiles reatomizes when he comes out of shadow shadow
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Not only would it satisfy many Mephiles fans but it would be a finale worth watching. A redemption of 06.
The fact that Mephiles is back in Generations means he canonically survived being completely erased from existence with his timeline.
I'm not kidding when I say that not even Beerus would be able to kill him.
You're correct, hakai can't kill immortals but what Beerus can do is the same thing Beerus did to Elder Kai
I really wish they would bring back mephiles for real. Sonic needs more reoccurring villains aside from eggman. It’s always so cool whenever they bring in a villain that isn’t eggman or a creature released by eggman. Characters like mephiles and infinite should return in more games and get more fleshed out
Same. Especially so we can finally see Sonic fight Mephiles.
There’s Metal Sonic, Orbot and Cabot. The Babylonians Rogues.
Black Doom.
And Zavok@@joshuahecht6866
@@joshuahecht6866Metal, Orbot, and Cubot are almost always involved with Eggman aside from when Metal rebels against him as Neo Metal. The Babylonian Rogues would be cool, but I feel like they’ll really only appear in another Riders game, and Black Doom’s more of Shadow’s antagonist rather than Sonic’s.
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Any other villains? The End bad guy is dead. And the Aqua Sapiens’ technology is up for grabs.
Mephiles could probably convince characters to trust him, sonic's the only one that remembers 06 and sonic never saw mephiles or even heard his name or knew he existed period
wait, where did it say Sonic remembers? I know the end cutscene in 06 implies he did remember Elise at the very least but I thought in Gens Crisis City felt unknown to him, and only vaguely familiar to Blaze. (also, I havent played through the reworked version yet)
@@ORLY911 The JP version of TSR implies that out of everyone, Sonic is the only one who fully remembers the events of 06, likely because he was at the heart of the reset with Elise
It's currently unknown if this is going to be carried over to the western side of things however
@@LakotaPruitt Oh thats very specific, yeah I didn't know that, interesting.
@@LakotaPruitt That's super interesting! How does the game show that? Does Sonic say things about the events of 06?
@@syweb2 there's like this exchange between him and Silver where Sonic asks the latter what happened to his energy from when they first met with him being all "I will destroy you!" and stuff by which Silver replies with him having no recollection of what Sonic had just said to him
In a cosmic sorta sense, the idea of Mephiles coming back after Shadow generations is far more plausible than it sounds.
Afterall, how can Shadow now remember fighting something that doesn't (and never) existed? I think that sorta gives Mephiles a way back in
He could also maybe hitch a ride with either Eggman. It'd be as simple as revealing that they crossed paths while the doctors managed to find their way out of white space.
@@jonathanflanagan1504 That's honestly the only way I can see the Eggmen getting out of white space. They had no tech, they have no special powers, my guess? They found Mephiles, freed him, and got back their timelines allowing him to hitch a ride with one of them on the condition he doesn't interfere with their plans.
Fun Fact! The IDW Comics are 100% canon! Tangle is mentioned by name in Frontiers. This also means that Sticks from the Boom franchise show is canon, as Amy mentions her at the end of the game.
6:52
As soon as you mentioned your rewrite, I just thought of a crazy idea of Mephiles attaching himself to Nil's Shadow and then he (and more importantly, the audience) would see the wonderful friendship Hero and Nil have and the adventures they're doing after the events of Forces and Infinite removing himself from Nil. ^^
Just thinking about it makes me tear up for some reason lol.
THAT WOULD BE GREAT, also he has no purpose anymore since Iblis is Gone... Meaning at this point he just wants freedom
Iblis isn’t actually gone he’s sealed in blaze Ian confirmed it
Witch means that mephiles could actually return. I mean probably not but hey, non 0% chance!!
Never say something is possible, otherwise it might come out of nowhere and prove you wrong
@@georgejonesthestarseeds77 but then something else comes up and proves you wrong
This is a great start to a what if, and I always had a theory that the Sol dimension was created due to the Solaris reset, the chaos emeralds Blaze had on her when she was sealed and Iblis's influence so it's nice to see someone think along the same lines.
honestly I like the idea that even if not as a major villain, I kind of want to see mephiles' life, maybe he has some cameos like sa2 big. Imagine, shadow passes by, you see mephiles during some automation... i dunno, scheming, but it doesn't happen every time and is quick so it's like playing tricks on you.
Don't worry, IDW is confirmed to be fully canon. So your story CAN work!
He's shamelessly my most favorite Sonic villain.
I like that you brought Blaze into this, very interested to see where this goes
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You aren't a stinker...
YOU ARE A TRUE STORY TELLER
OH MY GOODNESS I WAS LOCKED IN TO THAT STORY YOU TOLD IT SO WELL!
My wish for the game was for every villain to be defeated except for Mephiles, having him slip through the cracks and escape into the time stream. Lose to Shadow yeah, but do a mwahaha and bail right before he goes down for good. Don't even bring him back in the same game, only acknowledge it in open-zone dialogue. That way he's a set-up now, a looming threat that we know can bark and bite, just out there somewhere in the timeline waiting for his moment to rise. It's such a huge shame they didn't go that route.
Yes, he's survived lol. Let's be real though, it would've been lame to have him in a main antagonist role in a game as short as Shadow Generations. Makes far more sense to leave him for a bigger game in the future.
These are always fun
And honestly you have written Mephiles like Sauron an undying weak pseudo-god entity that can not ever be truly destroyed but instead forever waits and plots.
I do hope they do more with Mephiles in the future. Although, it's mostly because I think the idea of a Shadow sub-series having a Council of Shadow Haters made up of Black Doom, Mephiles and Infinite as its main villains is really funny.
QOTD: Probably about Blaze's dimension, that'd be kinda neat
while Sonic 06 had a lot of issues, the story was never THAT bad imo and Mephiles was definitely the best bit. An actual serious antagonist who is legitimately a threat and let's not forget that before the timeline was changed, he was the only antagonist to straight up kill sonic with minimal effort.
Shadow is the one being to actually be an issue for Mephiles because of his chaos based powers but him also being near impossible to actually destroy could make him a great re-occurring "puppet master" type antagonist or hell even go a similar route to Shadow himself and have a "free" Mephiles, who doesn't have to worry about making sure his timeline DOES happen, struggle with what that actually means.
really play into his final line of "I want to exist" and what that'd mean for better or worse.
honestly I could see him being the perfect "Reverse Flash" for Shadow. 100% a villain/Antagonist but one that essentially decides to exist PURELY to be an eternal thorn in the heroes side and make them *better* as a result. You never quite know when he'll pop up but the fact he randomly could makes him easy to drop into plots.
This would be a good way to make a Silver and blaze game.
Great story, but this is petty but we see Shadow along side Silver and Blaze at the party.
Mephiles could also of made a deal with dr.eggman and classic eggman where he would get them out of white space if they traveled to the past and stopped sonic and Elise from erasing him from the timeline, and they probably would agree to do it since it could be the only way out of white space and they don’t remember mephiles.
Mephiles pre-boss fight: I will defeat you and restore myself to the timeline.
Mephiles in his last stand: no... I want... to exist.
Mephiles post boss fight: (A cutscene after shadow leaves the portal gate feeling uneasy as the camera turns to his shadow with glowing red eyes) I will exist, regardless if they want me or not. (the red glowing eyes fade away into the shadow, as shadow turn back proceeds to move on as we here a slight cackle of pure malice)
0:21 idk what you're interested in making, but something related to Silver and/or Infinite would have been cool.
Silver: How did he get into White Space? Why did he hesitate to help Sonic?
Infinite: What if Infinite was brought into Shadow Generations?
Imagine if he and Black Doom worked toguether using the Phantom Ruby to utterly torment Shadow... or at least try to
I'm not him but I wrote a little script about Silver's involvement in the form of an extra section in Shadow Generations (because Silver needs more screentime if Shadow and Metal got it, and where's the Shadow the Hedgehog 2005 level?). Basically Shadow already knows that there's more than one Sonic (and is aware of time shenanigans), and encourages Silver to make sure it's the right one after receiving the white Chaos Emerald for him.
@thomasezzy that is actually really clever
Shadow could have told Silver about there being more than one Sonic and to give his Emerald to the right one, but he could have misinterpreted it as there actually having a fake Sonic sent for the Emeralds
Blaze the Cat involved in a Sonic Story? I'm listening
Imagine Mephiles coming back and instead of Ibliss, he combines his power with Chaos and absorbs The End from Frontiers
Mephiles has the potential to be the new big bad of Sonic. As much as I love Robbie Daymond from Critical Role, his voice didn’t quite fit in Shadow X Generations. It needs to be deeper and more menacing
Woah! I always loved the rewrite-type content and the way you present it! I get that this kinda thing requires inspiration to hit but felt the need to say more of this pls and thank you lol
I feel like this absolutely should’ve happened. Not only how this would work to build up to a great game, thus would really create a better reason a justice to him.
PLEASE DO MORE~!!! I've missed this so much and this content is amazing~! I was introduced to your content via the rewrites and enjoyed them 10 fold. It inspired me to come up with a few of my own, so please do more, because I can't wait for part 2~!
The climactic return of Memphis Tennessee
This was sick! To be honest I'm really hoping we see Burning Blaze and Super Shadow team up to defeat Mephiles by the end of this what if. Mostly becaude Blaze is Mephiles' primary target and Shadow is Mephiles' nemisis so I think it would be fitting.
mephiles is a character that has so much potential, im excited to see what your storyline would be
Still waiting for the Sonic Advance 3 review
Something tells me we’ll see him again.
One story I’ve always wanted to know would be how Mario and Sonic met, ( as to my knowledge, in the Olympic Games, we are never told). I think that could be a fun crossover what if! Also, cool video, keep up the good work!
I would like to make a Mario & Sonic series. That'd be fun.
@ agreed! I think it’d be cool if it was either an rpg like Mario and Luigi, or maybe just a platformer that combines the gimmicks / elements of both franchises.
@ If you did, I’m sure it would be great!
If Memphis Tennessee actually won, than the probability he gets another good game to shine in is high
Honestly... Part of me hopes Mephiles does return more often now.
With how aware he is of his timeline's now non-existance, Mephiles could become the Sonic series' Reverse Flash of sorts.
A living paradox looking to mess up everything for the sake of chaos and in desperation to 'exist'.
I guess 18 years of timeless purgatory Drove Mephiles Crazy.
I can imagine Mephiles giving Shadow the mother of all Faustian bargains by saying that he can bring Gerald and Maria from the point of their deaths back to life, in exchange for him being restored to the timeline. Shadow will have a hard time saying "NO" to that deal.
Dame this honestly makes me wish he did survive 😭
Great video and idea I love Mephiles and I’m really excited to see the next part!
Knowing he can produce infinite clones of himself, it's pretty safe to assume that in case Sega truly wanted Mephiles back they can simply say Shadow imprisoned a clone and the real Mephiles found a way out, either through Shadow's Shadow or through whatever exit the Eggmen managed to find after losing
hey, i have an interrsting story idea you should try covering! how about;
what if shadow didnt die on the ark?
so pretty much, at the end of sa2, he doesnt over-exert himself and die. i think a lot of interesting things would change, such as shadows relationship with eggman, as he never went through the, "holy shit am i a robot?" phase which surely affected his feelings towards eggman, and shadow 05 would play out VERY differently, considering hes a hero from the start through and through.
thatd be very interesting for you to cover!
also, love the story youre cooking up. its very interesting, so far, and the way you made mephiles sneak out of the fight was genius!
ITS HERE!
Also please finish the Generations rewrite
he literally said he cancelled it :|
Bring it back!!!
Generations Rewritten will be finished. It was un-cancelled.
@@Garrulous64:o
Whoo hoo
I would like to see old villains return besides Eggman
Best ending is that Mephilis comes out, realizes that, even though he exists, he has nothing to exist for. No one even remembers his name. So he changes it to Memphis Tennessee and creates his own purpose in the form of an online Let's Play channel
I have a what if idea. What if Maria survived and was sent in a pod and landed in angel island and Knuckle's grand parent's somehow used the master emerald to keep her alive?
Honestly dude, this is awesome! I can't wait for part 2! Don't know if this will get the same turnout as your Forces rewrite or not, but something tells me you'll blow that one out of the water in terms of how awesome this one is gonna be. I loved the Forces rewrite, I'm super pumped about this one too!
As for another story idea for you, might I suggest what if it were to be a different character going through the events of Frontiers with Sonic being the one stuck in limbo? My first thoughts are Tails, but I'm curious what you think. Let's be real though, a super form for Tails would be incredibly cool! Can you imagine how awesome Tails battling a titan would be?
Sonic 06 was a mess, let’s be honest, but it was a mess with potential, and one of the signs of that was his character.
I hope Sega chose to bring him back shortly to see how we would react, so if it went well he could return for real in the future.
This is so awesome! I can't wait for part 2! Please if SEGA can make a story half this creative and actually manage to neatly add it to the main timeline (and bring in IDW) I will be awestruck. Plus if you know about the rumours of a Sonic 06 remake potentially in development who knows what could happen.
Y’know what, weirdly, as soon as you said rest of the timeline I was like oh yeah shadow gens isn’t the last sonic game in the time line cause I was worried it was just about to end
I’m so excited for the next part. Keep up the great work!
Mephiles: YOU TOOK EVERYTHING FROM ME
Shadow: I don't even know who you are
I wish he came back, he was such a good villain
what if mephilis catches on how the sol dimension is a mirror of the chaos dimension so he lies to blaze, making her think that hes the mirror version of shadow, to gain her trust
theres just so many ways the sonic universe can be expanded upon. short of sonic oc's sonic fanfics and theories are right up there with em. a lot of the time its people trying to fix the broken storytelling of the games but un... sega did it on purpose for more fan engagement yea thats it totally.
This video was great, Can't wait for part 2!
Ah yes, Sonic '26: Blazed.
(AKA - We-Actually-Know-What-To-Do-And-We-Have-Money. )
What if Infinte Survive and/or teamed up with Mephilis?
That would be the most vilest pairing in the franchise history right there. 😈
Now I'm wondering how Mephiles would react to Disaster the Cat, a villain oc based on Proto-Blaze. Think, Mephiles but applied to the Sol Emeralds' history and surprisingly friendly rather than maniacal, like the Collector in Aurora. If she had a theme, it'd be called Stained Shadows, referencing her shadowy appearance and her blue fire, which is typically hotter, and also the actual stained shadows thing that happened with those particular nukes and I think pompei?
I haven't written the fic yet, but I imagine it'd start with Marine calling Blaze with Jeweled Septer. Blaze asks what's wrong and Marine's response; "The horizon's on fire!"
TSR actually takes place before Forces (since there's no time frame between the end of Forces and one of the cars first appearing in the comics where the Eggman/Zavok team up could happen), so I'd like to imagine Mephiles didn't track Blaze then because the friendship powered engines warded his bad vibes off.
Mephiles said himself in 06 "The "I" of now has absorbed your power through your shadow. What worked 10 years ago wont work anymore" So its totally possible mephiles COULD break free or left some of his essence out of the sceptre but ofc just my speculation.
A for QOTD:
What if Sonic.exe became an official character, and how would he be adapted into the current canon Sonic timeline?
Obviously he’s a sentient virus made by Eggman who takes the form of Sonic and is psychologically capable of messing with you
That would be badass and spine chilling. Something the games need again. Can you do a Part 2?
Ah yes, Memphis.
I should probably say that Frontiers made the canonicity of the IDW comics concrete. So they are in fact 100% canon.
7:31 IDW has been confirmed canon for a while now
I NEED MORE PLEASE & THANK YOU
If you want, I'm currently writing a story of my own. Its... dark, but enjoyable
8:10 Chaos Dimension has a nice ring to it.
Finally, sonic rush 7
I mean, he _did_ survive... he just couldn't assert his exisrence due to his petty grudge against Shadow. Shouldve fucked off after things started going south and laid low until he cam sneak back into the timeline. He can still come back, but it would likely be the next time an entity specifically capable of erasing time crops up. That said, Time Eater was destroyed after it was mechanized by Eggman, but it wasn't _erased._ Its likely a fixed point in time and cant be truly defeated unless it was wiped out in all time periods it existed like Solaris was
I suppose the craziest thing is that Mephiles is just a half baked side effect of a failed lab experiment, so he wasn't even supposed to exist to begin with. He literally just gained sentience after an explosion and got cornered by some guy (Shadow) while trying to find his way out of a labyrinth of cold metal hallways underwater.
He literally reacted with an uncharacteristically startled tone the first time Shadow seals him away in 06, indicating that his first few minutes of sentience was probably the most terrifying experience he's ever had and decided to make that everyone else's problem.
We don't even know if baseline Mephiles from the first instance of his existence (the first time he was created) was even intent on destruction or was just reacting like a cornered animal. And then he just keeps getting dragged through getting sealed away and erased and revived again and again and again and again... Dude probably went insane.
And, if we want to humor the idea that the Archie continuity was somewhat canon, then there's also that time he was an inmate in Zone Jail briefly, with a control collar latched around his neck and his powers nullified. I wanna know how he managed to get arrested, because THAT had to be quite a sight to witness. 👀
I think I speak for everyone when I say thank you for making my childhood
I didn't want to ask this question because I know you're busy, and now you have this story to tell but my curiosity has gotten the best of me. What's going on with the Sonic Generations rewrite.
I'll get to it soon.
alright cool 👍
I was always interested in bringing Mephiles the Dark. Since I was getting back into Steven Universe around the time Shadow Gens came around, so I always thought it would be fun to have him work alongside the Diamonds in a crossover of SU and STH. Nobody in the story really likes him, but he doesn’t need that. Heck, he fits in with the other Gems considering his crystalline design.
Theyre definitely planning something involving him, Silver and 06 (at least somewhat). All the random appearances and name drops and Ian confirming lore surrounding 06 (Iblis sealed in Blaze in the current timeline, Solaris apparently being stronger than The End) Mephs new boss fight feels like it was specifically placed as a surprise and a teaser, with interesting dialogue from Mephiles and he's very much still alive. I think it's leading into either A silver game or B an 06 remake, which the producer mentioned he'd like to work on.
Sources claimed that Mephiles is a guest in Shadow gens, proving "he had larger role in the future media."
I could see an alternate version of this story where he could follow Silver to the future instead of following Blaze to the Sol Dimension
I also made my own fanfic in a similar way. However, mine goes a different route where Mephiles sees how close Silver and Blaze are. He uses that to his advantage, getting a jump on and killing Silver in front of her, causing her to have a breakdown like Elise did. However, this is different. It's not sadness... no.. it's pure rage. It does release Iblis but as a chained power to her. Mephiles will have to kill her to get Iblis back
This is very interesting so far, does Iblis contribute anything to Blaze’s power or is he sort of just a passenger as well? Oh and I have to ask has Mephiles lost his power to time travel? I’d assume so since he’s been doing a lot of waiting when he could just time travel, 5:59 Wow even Mephiles knows the 6 are worthless lmao I doubt this is going to contribute to anything and is likely just a fun little nod but it feels weird to include the Olympic games as they are absolutely not canon, 7:31 well unless they’re gonna do something weird frontiers confirms they are canon.
0:20 So unless I’m getting this wrong is this you implying you’re trying out making fanfics again? if so then that’s cool but you should definitely try not to tire yourself out as (unless I’m wrong) that kind of put you off the idea of making them for awhile.
ok i got an idea for part 2 of if mephiles survived shadow generations first up is the metal virus mephiles sees eggman and his new alie dr starline made a virus at turn people or animals into robot and relastde them mephiles got an idea so mephiles mind controls the zombot to attack eggman but sonic stop zavok and sonic frontiers maybe mephiles mind controls sage to be act so emosanol and kind to eggman but really she just a ai with no feelings becuse of mephiles and sees how sonic and his friends are getting stronger so if sonic and his friends are getting stronger maybe hes going to get stronger by getting all the past villains even scurge and kit and mephiles told them to join them witch they revurse so mephiles got the thing at dr starline has when he died and use it to hyponized and brainwash and to be evil again and mephiles can get his revenge on sonic silver shadow all of them will pay and gets every villain possible but not eggman no if he sees mephiles eggman would exparemnt on him but metal sonic he perrfect for a new body for mephiles the dark
so yea what do you think sorry my typing is kinda bad
also i want if neo metal sonic won in sonic heros
Ooh, I like this! Though, I would have Memphis Teneesee bump off Elise, as she was technically the one who dealt Solaris the killing blow, and if I were Mephiles, I'd be VERY tilted at the towers about that.
Maybe this would be Sega’s plan to bring him back, but this vid’s “What If” would be explained in the future when Mephiles would theoretically returns
(Also Mephiles just chillin next to Shadow would be kinda cute ngl)
The phantom ruby creates illusions strong enough to have real effects, so if a fake sun crashes down on you it will do the same thing as the real sun does, and if it "teleports" someone their body will move there instantly, it's illusions are not real but they trick the universe itself to cause real effects
6:22 actually 🤓☝️ It is heavily implied that Shadow did indeed kill The Jackal Squad. On top of this, Ian Flynn confirms this flat out. Really great video btw, didn’t actually think about this!
For future video ideas, how about ‘What If THE END Reincarnated?’
Hiding in Shadow's shadow, as you do.
If mephiles still survived, he would be stuck in the area outside of time
I can definitely see Mephiles surviving, but only in a seriously weakened form. After all, being able to time travel would be a little too powerful if he can just go terminator on the cast
The thumbnail should’ve been Sonic and Shadow recreating the Barry Allen at the grave meme
I hope you continue this story. I'm really interested to see where it goes.
With recent talk of a potential Sonic 06 Remake, I honestly would prefer an idea like this to set the stage for a Sonic 06 sequel of sorts with a brand new story instead. Definitely love the ideas presented here!
Also I almost completely forgot about Blaze having sealed Iblis within herself at the end of Silver's story in 06. Does that mean there are two Iblises? (well at least, there was before present timeline Solaris was wiped from existence) I love Sonic 06 plotholes 😭
Omfg what??!?! I was just thinking of this exact what if in the shower then I came back to this!