It's because of the mission structure and multiple mansions, which I honestly thought was dumb that people had a problem with it. I had no problem with it when I played 10 years ago
@@MarioMasterProductionsI agree that the mission structure itself was dumb, but I actually liked the multiple mansion approach. Helped give each area an identity.
@@bretginn1419 I found that the mission structure actually made the game. It allowed you to do one or two missions at a time and estimate how long it would take so you could play in short intervals, and the game still works when you play for hours. Not to mention, it makes replays better.
@@wumbomandlx That's a fair take. I personally disagree, but that's largely because I play for longer bursts, and I feel the game is short enough as is, so it blocking progress because I'm not in the right mission annoys me.
@@wumbomandlxpeople tend to forget that the mission structure was made with the 3DS in mind. Pop it out during your lunch break at work/school, complete a mission or two, put it away, then continue at home.
LM2 has good Brother moments and Luigi getting a dog. It is one of the best games on the 3DS, and it is cool that it is getting a second life like how Skyward Sword did.
i LOVED luigi’s mansion 2 as a kid, and it’s been so annoying to see everyone complain that the remake isn’t like 1 or 3, as though that wasn’t already obvious. i cannot wait to play this game and i really hope it gets the recognition it deserves
@@xXEPIKgamerXx even funnier that the smacking around lacks any animation at all. I only played a couple of levels. LM3 couldn’t hold my attention. I still like the series though and plan on continuing LM3. Someday.
As someone who also didn't love it back then, I saw this sentiment by more people that were in the same boat and finally caved and bought this version, let's see if I change my mind too!
I liked the structure as well since I could play the game a few missions at a time instead of needing to save manually before doing something else irl. I can’t say much else as I haven’t played the other two instalments, but something lots of people say just nags me. Perhaps you or someone else can share thoughts about it. But I do always see people say that you should just be able to play through the mansion as a whole, which is justified as some of the mission endings you’re taken back to the lab for seemingly no reason. For example; literally the first mission, the ending of mission 1-A has Gadd pull you out with no explanation. Then in others they do provide a reason yet it feels a little forced, for example the end of mission D-3 traps you in the final room with a (in)conveniently placed mound of snow. But there are some missions that just aren’t possible to link together for many reasons. Example 1: in mission C-2 and E-1, unlike the other two games, you adventure so far into the unknown without a way to return except for the pixelshiftelator. Example 2: every toad mission ends with a security snapshot that can only really be examined in the bunker. So it’s not possible to put all the missions together without major changes to the narrative and trimming out C-2 and E-1.
Steve, the 3DS was roughly analogous to the Gamecube. Luigi's Mansion 1 was PORTED to the 3DS, it had nothing to do with power constraints! The mission structure was because it was a game on a portable system. It was a design choice based around the idea people would be playing this on their bus rides. Kid Icarus Uprising was divided into smaller chapters for the exact same reason. This isn't some big secret, its how Nintendo approached portable gaming for decades.
True, but concessions were made to get LM1 on 3DS, and developers often get better at optimizing over time! I feel like LM2 is a byproduct of what Next Level was confident they could achieve while maintaining good performance back in 2013. -Steve
Luigi's Mansion 2 was always my favourite because I hadn't played the LM1 first. Having played all 3 I could fully understand anyone saying any of the 3 are the best. I still stick with 2 though.
If you like this, you really ought to try out the Scarescraper in Multiplayer mode. It's highly underrated, or at least not spoken much about, but IMHO the best co-op experience in the Luigi's Mansion series.
The Switch version totally changed this game for me. Dual analog is such a big deal and having all light/vaccum functions on the shoulder buttons is a god send. I maintain the 3DS one is still not fun to play due to the controls.
When I was a kid I could never get into the original Luigi's Mansion. It was too dark (like literally the lighting was too dark) while also being a lot more open ended in how you advance. Dark Moon on the 3DS was actually the first time I enjoyed Luigi's Mansion, because the mission structure made it a lot more clear where you were supposed to go, but adding in the gems in each level gave an additional level of collectathon feeling to it (and I'm a sucker for the N64 collectathons, since I grew up with DK64). So you still got rewarded for exploration and experimenting with things that looked out of the ordinary, but your gameplay wasn't throttled because you forgot to use one of your abilities in a specific way. I was also amazed at how cinematic the game was. Luigi's characterization is so good in all of the little cutscenes, and when you compared it to Mario's 3D games, it was just a completely different flavor. And having the mission structure and constant cutscenes actually opened up more of those moments. I did eventually go back to the original on the Gamecube though, and I enjoyed it a lot more than I did the first time (partly because at that point I was much older and actually had a functioning brain). Looking back on it, I can understand the criticisms about how the mission structure takes away from the game by ripping you in and out of the levels constantly. But I can also appreciate the gradual changes in the levels between missions, sort of like Mario Sunshine, which is another game I grew up with. Luigi's Mansion 3 hit a really strong middle ground, having clear missions and objectives to follow, optional side collectibles, but also keeping the exploration open. But 2/Dark Moon I think will still always be my favorite, even though some of that is my bias towards actually liking one of the most contentious points of criticism.
I think the multiple mansions approach is actually better than the hotel from LM3. The hotel was not coherent at all, the floors felt completely random and disconnected from each other. The multiple mansions of LM2 allowed for good variety without sacrificing consistency
I love the idea of a haunted hotel, but after a few floors it gives up all pretense of being a hotel and is just random levels. The first 2 games have a Scooby Doo level of spooky theming, but by the time you get to the museum level, LM3 just loses any sense of mood or spookiness, and its such a huge bummer. I am not asking for Eternal Darkness or Amnesia here, but I'd like a future game to at least pretend it has a spooky, cohesive atmosphere.
This. 3's attempt to correct things from 2 ultimately made it a more lackluster experience to me. The floors should have more in them, more rooms with more ghosts. The rooms themselves can be a lot smaller, and the themes should be more toned down to match the desolate feeling of 1 or the eerie abandonment of the ones in 2
This is exactly what I feel. The Mansion in 1 felt like an actual haunted mansion. The places in 2 felt like various spooky locations, and had a firm identity. The hotel in 3 felt like a mix between the two games, and it took the worst aspects of both. There's no coherent identity, just a Scarescraper whose areas are far too short to be properly memorable, and goes on far too long having nothing worthwhile to show. Also not helping matters is how I feel they made the game easier. Luigi's Mansion has never been particularly hard, but 3 feels like I have to actively try to get hurt, or just not stunlock ghosts.
That's fair, but I honestly loved the floors with distinct themes from LM3. Each floor was fun and memorable in its own way, and the ideas at play I thought were brilliant. The floors also had distinct atmospheres and managed to be pretty suspenseful, too. Honestly, I think I'd love the multiple mansions from LM2 more than LM3 if it weren't for the mission structure. I still had fun, though.
the best floor actually is the actual hotel floor. and one of my pet peeves of hte game is that some of the floors are too tiny, and another one is, if you think about it, the floors dont line up properly. and it be nice if the lower floors were larger.
I still haven’t played the original, but between 2 and 3, 2 has always been my favorite. Each location feels unique without being super out of place, and it’s a fun time. Not to mention Scarescraper, which I loved a ton and wish stayed active for longer. Easily my favorite part of the game.
I agree one hundred percent even though my perspective is a little different. Once the remaster was announced I actually just went ahead and played it on the 3DS for the first time because it didn’t seem worth the price tag. And I am pleasantly surprised given all the negativity around the original. It is a great “play a mission or two before bed” kind of game and is brimming with the exact same kind of charm that I loved 3 for and the visuals are probably among the best on the 3DS, which is already my favorite Nintendo console of all time.
I really love the level layouts in the second, its so compact, even interconnected at times, like in Dark Souls or something. The last workd had so many hidden areas, the traversal was changed in every mission, and all the rooms felt so unique.
Putting aside the price point of this remaster for a second, I always felt that Luigi's Mansion 2 was a pretty darn good game. I played it before the 1st game, so I didn't have much of an attachment to that game's style or structure when I first played 2. Especially now that I've played 1, I can definitely see that the 2nd and 3rd entries have a bit of a different vibe (the ghosts' behavior in particular), but they're still quality games in their own right, and I honestly like them more because I think the level design and puzzles are more interesting (even the mission structure in 2 didn't bother me since the game was designed around it). One thing I liked about 2 (that even 3 doesn't do) is that the gold can also upgrade your vacuum in addition to improving your rank, which personally made gold a lot more rewarding to collect. With all that being said, it irks the crap out of me that Nintendo is charging this relatively basic remaster of a 3DS game at the same price as a new AAA release when it clearly does not have the quality and effort of a new AAA release. I'd like to recommend Luigi's Mansion 2 to people, but I know that the HD version's price point is gonna understandably turn some away, and that frustrates me (though I suppose finding a copy of the original 3DS version is also an option).
I was a Gamecube kid and, somehow, I never saw or heard of Luigi's Mansion. It wasn't until the release of the second game that I learned of this masterpiece. I played the living daylights out of this software! The second game really is best played on a rainy day, y'all. Nintendo is the G.O.A.T! Thanks for the upload.
The arcade like nature of LM2 is why I always really liked it. And tbh it has the better multiplayer between it and LM3. So happy people will have a chance to try it now
I always love seeing a Steve video! Well, any video from any GVG member really, but this was a fantastic review Steve! It's like you took all the thoughts in my head about being disappointed/fearful that the series would be mission-oriented moving forward, and it didn't make me appreciate the game in front of me. You got me considering giving this one another go!
This is my favorite of the 3 games. I loved it on 3DS. The stereoscopic 3D was amazing and added quite a bit for me. I plan to pick this up for $30 today for my Switch.
This games combat is a big step up from Luigi's Mansion 3. Playing evasively is what Luigi's Mansion combat is all about, and adding a dodge button was the best way to expand on that.
I actually think the mission structure makes the gameplay way more streamlined as well. Theres a LOT less dead air and the gameplay is straight to the point, which I think works really well for luigis mansion. I actually really dislike running around back and forth after multiple playthroughs of the other games.
Honestly agree with a lot of this. for slightly different reasons tough. 2 was my first Luigi's Mansion I'd played and I didn't really get it growing up. Now going back to it after beating 1 and 3, I've come to appreciate a lot more what it sets up for 3 and how the more mission based structure makes it much more of a pop on for a short session and play kinda game. Really enjoying myself with it now
this was my first Luigi's mansion as a kid and i loved this game never got the hate the missions give you more incentive to replay as well so it keeps you hooked longer also the combat in this one is by far the best
I love your viewpoints on this game. I knew I wanted to play it eventually but I wasn’t super excited because of all the reviews and the way I was looking at it before. After hearing your perspectives, it’s definitely changed how I’m viewing it. And now I’m excited to go pick it up & play! Thank you 🙏🏼
....Oh yeah, custom ringtones...I need to get mine back. Back on an old phone my custom ringtone was the ringtone from Chapter 3 in Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door. lol
"Different take on a franchise appears on Wii U, diehard fans dislike it, franchise goes back to old formula on Switch and "it's back", Wii U game gets remastered on Switch and those same fans appreciate the different take now" Where have I heard this before? Why can't we just appreciate these different takes when they come out rather than 10 years later?
I originally played it on the 3ds and all I gotta say is yes I'm bias and the 3ds version is the og itwill always have a place in my heart but I'm happy more people are getting to not only appreciate it more but also are being able to play it if they never had a 3ds and missed out on this game
As for me, I've played all 3 Luigi's Mansion games, and to this day, Luigi's Mansion 2 is still my favorite. Both Luigi's Mansion 1 and 3 were boring to me. The main 2 reasons that i liked Luigi's Mansion 2 more than both 1 and 3 are the following: 1. In Luigi's Mansion 2, you are not stuck in either 1 hotel or 1 mansion. 2. In Luigi's Mansion 2, you can unlock upgrades to your poltergeist 5,000 to make the game not only easier but my enjoyable. This is based on my own personal opinion.
also just a correction most likely no 2 wasnt designed like that because of memory limitations because the boo mission lets you explore the entire house, as well as the last mission in the game where most of the mansion is available, and we got luigi mansion remake years later on the same hardware, its probably just designed like that for the portable aspect
Luigi’s mansion Dark moon on the 3ds was my first Luigi’s mansion game as I never had a Gamecube back in the day. Regardless if it lived up to rest of the series, it was still able to get me into the series little universe and gameplay loop while giving me a lot of fun in the process. I wouldn’t have gotten Luigi’s mansion 3 if I hadn’t played it. I was pleased to know I still could have as much fun with it when the HD version if not more. Maybe it’s rose tinted glasses but the risks this game took were def worth it imo.
Floors were cool and all in LM3 but still felt a little disconnected almost like they were separate levels. I’m still waiting for LM to return to one giant mansion that feels super connected almost like a stellar metroidvania.
Only reason people dismissed Luigi's Mansion 2 was because it was on 3DS instead of the Wii U. I'm glad people are finally giving the game a proper chance.
Apart from the graphics, I prefer LM2 over 3. The gameplay is far better, the level designs are more intricate and fun to explore. 3 just feels like a puzzle game, when the original game never was one. 2 has way better combat than 3, and while yes, it has many puzzles, they feel like an added bonus instead of the whole game.
Visually 2HD is actually pretty impressive, everything seems to have been remodelled and retextured, the polygon count definitely is higher on pretty much everything and the textures are extremely clean, the lighting has also been entirely overhauled, it doesn't have the same depth as the light in 3, but it is definitely pretty and the way it bounces differently off of different surfaces like the plasticky couches or metallic objects is quite nice. Really, this game is suffering from the same problem something like Twilight Princess HD did, people misremembering the original and thinking it looked better than it did, and thus giving far too little credit to Tantalus for the update.
The commentary hear reminds me of the reaction to 3D World and Skyward Sword when they were released on the Switch. A lot of the criticism they got at the time was from fans worried about the series going in a specific direction. But after Mario and Zelda got more open and exploratory entries, the uniqueness of the previous games are easier to be appreciated.
I find it incredible that you all didn’t like this when it came out. The first one is incredibly charming, and perhaps stands alone in it’s mix of family friendly scares and lovability, but NLG’s take is funny and lovable in it’s own way, and most importantly, sees the gameplay and content evolve so far beyond the original that it’s kind of shocking. Glad people are changing their minds though, this is a really fun game. Currently having a great time playing it all over again.
ill always be a rabid Luigi's Mansion 1 lover (gawd i love that game) but I couldn't be more glad that Luigi's Mansion 2 exists, not only because it's fun on its own right, but also because it _kept the franchise _*_alive_*_ and going_
Im glad the switch is giving people a second chance to appreciate this game! Its an absolute gem and deserves the love. I even had a similar experience where i was previously pretty meh on 3D World, and the switch version opened my eyes to how good it is. Sometimes all it takes is time and a second look
Honestly rather grateful that ive gotten to revisit a lot of titles in a new light during the switch generation. Games like 3D World and Dark Moon are a lot easier to appreciate when we aren't wanting them to be something else
The right stick control drives me insane. I know there's an option to change it but the way I want it to be (that I feel is intuitive) is a mix of both options.
It was one of my favorite game back in the days, maybe due to the nostalgia idk but I trully loved this and I really never understood why so many people said it was a bad game. Yes it changed up the gameplay compared to LM1 but I do think the fights, the story, the mansions and the puzzles are well though out! I'm super happy to play at this game again and I will definetly 100% it haha I also love the fact that you went back on your positions! Btw I haven't reached the winter map yet but the music is just amazing can't wait to listen to it again! (it's in the video too)
I'm about to play it for the first time in about an hour. I have only played Luigis Mansion 3 and I really enjoyed it quite a bit. Haven't even seen gameplay from the first one. Looking forward to this one, but I'm not expecting it to be as good as 3 was.
Excellent video Steve! 7:36 I was thinking this reminds me of Mario 3D World: way less appreciated when it was the only 3D Mario on a poor selling system but once you have the Switch and Odyssey plus an improved version... it allowed people to enjoy 3D World for the truly incredible game it is. I wouldn't want every 3D Mario to be like 3D World and I'm happy it exists because it's SO GOOD. And similarly though I don't want every Luigi's Mansion to be like 2, it's nice having one with a different flavor and a better ability to pick up and put down 😊
As someone who starts with the series in 2024 and with this game (Part 1 is not available on switch), I had a blast with this game. But the review made me pumped for part 3.
No one was really thinking about "saving memory" while developing for 3DS games came out rather quickly on the 3DS. I think people had a general idea of the limitations.
I think Luigi's Mansion 3 is not an open exploration game like most people say, 2 and 3 are level based if you really think about it, 1 is the only one designed like a metroidvania. The thing with LM 3 is that instead of manually selecting the mission or level from a menu like in 2, you go to a themed floor in the hotel, you beat the boss, it gives you a key to the next floor, you go back to the bunker with E. Gadd, then you go to the next themed floor again to repeat the process, it's really levels disguised as an hotel you can walk through, but there's nothing to do in previous floors after you beat them for the most part.
I've loved this game since its release. While it's not as open as 1 and 3, I find the mission-based structure makes it a lot more palatable for those who may be constrained for time. I remember grabbing the original back at launch and playing a level or two before college classes would start. Also, the characters were far more expressive here than in the original. Not to rag on it though, it's still a fine game, but imo 2 and 3 had a lot more charm to their animation.
The mission structure has been part of Luigi's Mansion since the first game, just no t as explicit. In dark moon they subdivided things just a lot more.
I could never get past the ice boss on 3DS. I’ve been on the fence about this, but I think you just tipped my hand towards giving it another shot. I think I’ll leave my 3DS version where it is and start fresh on the Switch.
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I don't think LM2 has its mission structure due to any hardware limitations of the 3DS. Evidenced by the fact that each mansion is explorable in their entirety, if not close to their entirety, in some missions and because they ported LM1 to 3DS, which you mention in the video. The entire mansion is not held in memory the whole time, the game loads in new rooms as you go through doors or look through windows. The mission structure is instead a design decision made to make it easier to digest in a portable format. Even a relaxed playthrough puts each mission at about 10-15 minutes. I think Nintendo did later realize when making games like BOTW and Mario Odyssey that segmenting games don't necessarily make them more portable friendly, especially if the system can sleep. They instead pivoted to more seamlessly designed games that allow the player to jump in and out as they see fit. Probably partly why 3 wasn't designed the same way apart from feedback from fans.
This reiterated the same topical sentiments reviewers had when it came out for the first 6 minutes... 2 tried to innovate properly where 3 was imo an uninspired twist. I guess the mission structure is too high a wall to get past??. Clearly nintendo sees 2 as a charmer, imagine youre sitting late at night next to a roaring fire in an old house which Luigi's mansion game would you want to play
Luigi’s Mansion: Dark Moon was always my favorite game in the series and I felt it was unjustly hated. Personally, I think 3 is real overrated. Glad to see your trying it again!
I know this game is getting criticised for the pricing of the port (probably rightfully so), but I’m still excited to finally try it out after loving my time with 3
luigis mansion 2 is my favorite game of all time right above paper mario sticker star. and i think sticker star, if it was remade would have the same impression as this on people
If I liked the original Luigi's Mansion but not Luigi's Mansion 3 (ghost catching just didn't feel as natural, and I wasn't keen on the aesthetics and change in flashlight mechanic), do you think I'd get on with 2?
I’m a massive fan of the original and super happy that has a fresh coat of paint because, even on the 3DS, it looks beautiful and it’s great that more people can play it now. But why on earth is this full price😭😭 This has no business being $60 and I find it surprising that no one is acknowledging it
4:42 oh I get it, when it comes to expectations "it's not a triple A experience so it's okay if it's not good" but when it comes to pricing " wdym it's not high quality? It's a full price first party title". I'm sorry I still think Luigi's Mansion 2 to be the weakest entry especially now when we have a better sequel available on the same system at the same price (could be cheaper if you get it used) I see no reason to get this especially when Nintendo could have either ported Luigi's Mansion 1 instead or even the arcade title over this.
it was my second favorite 3ds game because of the online scarescraper
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I have loved LM2 since it came out and I'm glad you have changed your mind on it! I think you can argue about the difference in vibe and style between LM1 and 2, and the structure of the games. But I think where LM2 is way better than 1 is in its much more creative level design and engaging combat design. Mansion 3 and 4 are especially well designed when it comes to layouts and puzzles. The combat feels much better in 2 (and 3). The controls are tighter and more intuitive and the new mechanics like the strobulb and charge meter add another level of strategy and complexity to the combat, which the different ghosts are all designed to play around with. My favorite fights are those where the ghosts make you decide when to pull back and when to let go in order to evade attacks. Its also always so satisfying to line up multiple ghosts with the strobulb. This does ultimately make 2 win out over 1 in my opinion even if I don't like the mission structure. I would like to see Luigi's Mansion 4 do multiple mansions again, but do each one in a more seamless, lock and key design as LM1. If they could take inspiration from Resident Evil 2 on that front, that would be incredible!
I don't think the structure of Luigi's Mansion 2 has anything to do with memory limitations, that would be a big assumption. I mean, they managed to fit Luigi's Mansion 1 on 3DS. I believe it was just designed this way purely to be friendlier for portable play in short bursts. It is also overall easier to design and produce a game with bite sized missions.
This game gets so much hate but it's pretty fun, I'm glad that it was the first Luigi's mansion game I played because that allowed me to enjoy it without comparing it so much
I've actually used the Dual Scream ringtone on my phone for the last 10 or so years. It makes playing this remaster all the more distracting
I've used the Virtual Boo theme (from LM3) since 2019, as well! It's basically the same!
@@supdanboth good but hella not the same
Hahah, I used to have this ringtone as well 😆
are you the one on twitter that said the same thing because I respect you both
I have the GameCube ringtone on my phone, couldn't suite for anything less...
Glad to see people turning around on this game i always felt like it was unjustly hated
It's because of the mission structure and multiple mansions, which I honestly thought was dumb that people had a problem with it.
I had no problem with it when I played 10 years ago
@@MarioMasterProductionsI agree that the mission structure itself was dumb, but I actually liked the multiple mansion approach. Helped give each area an identity.
@@bretginn1419 I found that the mission structure actually made the game. It allowed you to do one or two missions at a time and estimate how long it would take so you could play in short intervals, and the game still works when you play for hours. Not to mention, it makes replays better.
@@wumbomandlx That's a fair take. I personally disagree, but that's largely because I play for longer bursts, and I feel the game is short enough as is, so it blocking progress because I'm not in the right mission annoys me.
@@wumbomandlxpeople tend to forget that the mission structure was made with the 3DS in mind. Pop it out during your lunch break at work/school, complete a mission or two, put it away, then continue at home.
LM2 has good Brother moments and Luigi getting a dog. It is one of the best games on the 3DS, and it is cool that it is getting a second life like how Skyward Sword did.
i LOVED luigi’s mansion 2 as a kid, and it’s been so annoying to see everyone complain that the remake isn’t like 1 or 3, as though that wasn’t already obvious. i cannot wait to play this game and i really hope it gets the recognition it deserves
Leave it to Steve to make me reconsider getting this game.
Not worth 60$ though
60$ for this vs metroid prime re master getting 3 games for 40$? 😅😅😅
The price is rough, but it's definitely a game worth playing. I'm having a blast.
@@Dropper24 yeah I just downloaded it for free. 60$ is a little absurd. Thank you steamdeck. I like pirating for this exact reason.
@@dman7668well ur just playing the inferior experience it’s not built for that system it’s like putting a square block in a triangle hole
Combat is so much better in this game than 3
In LM3 the slamming of ghosts is just instant, there’s no animation. That always put me off.
@@Htbaa Bro LM3s problem is that combat has too much animation, over and over and over and over, meanwhile the already low challenge is nonexistant.
@@xXEPIKgamerXx even funnier that the smacking around lacks any animation at all. I only played a couple of levels. LM3 couldn’t hold my attention. I still like the series though and plan on continuing LM3. Someday.
I love how the Mega Pull doesn't slow your momentum, unlike the Slam you can keep chaining it over and over until you lose your grip
I agree, I think it's the superpowered suction, it's way more satisfying than the slamming.
As someone who also didn't love it back then, I saw this sentiment by more people that were in the same boat and finally caved and bought this version, let's see if I change my mind too!
Keep me posted!
-Steve
Please keep me updated julio
Did you change your mind?
@@Julio3324 Julio it's been 2 weeks
I'm one of those few people that PREFERRED the structure of Dark Moon to the original.
I liked the structure as well since I could play the game a few missions at a time instead of needing to save manually before doing something else irl. I can’t say much else as I haven’t played the other two instalments, but something lots of people say just nags me. Perhaps you or someone else can share thoughts about it.
But I do always see people say that you should just be able to play through the mansion as a whole, which is justified as some of the mission endings you’re taken back to the lab for seemingly no reason. For example; literally the first mission, the ending of mission 1-A has Gadd pull you out with no explanation.
Then in others they do provide a reason yet it feels a little forced, for example the end of mission D-3 traps you in the final room with a (in)conveniently placed mound of snow.
But there are some missions that just aren’t possible to link together for many reasons.
Example 1: in mission C-2 and E-1, unlike the other two games, you adventure so far into the unknown without a way to return except for the pixelshiftelator.
Example 2: every toad mission ends with a security snapshot that can only really be examined in the bunker.
So it’s not possible to put all the missions together without major changes to the narrative and trimming out C-2 and E-1.
I've gone from "I don't need this ever" to "I will buy this the first time it's on sale"
Steve, the 3DS was roughly analogous to the Gamecube. Luigi's Mansion 1 was PORTED to the 3DS, it had nothing to do with power constraints! The mission structure was because it was a game on a portable system. It was a design choice based around the idea people would be playing this on their bus rides. Kid Icarus Uprising was divided into smaller chapters for the exact same reason. This isn't some big secret, its how Nintendo approached portable gaming for decades.
True, but concessions were made to get LM1 on 3DS, and developers often get better at optimizing over time! I feel like LM2 is a byproduct of what Next Level was confident they could achieve while maintaining good performance back in 2013.
-Steve
@@GVGwell articulated steve
Luigi's Mansion 2 was always my favourite because I hadn't played the LM1 first. Having played all 3 I could fully understand anyone saying any of the 3 are the best. I still stick with 2 though.
Luigi’s Mansion 2 is my favourite of the trilogy 👻
Dont forget that this game also easily has the best combat in the series.
If you like this, you really ought to try out the Scarescraper in Multiplayer mode. It's highly underrated, or at least not spoken much about, but IMHO the best co-op experience in the Luigi's Mansion series.
Peakscraper changed my life
The Switch version totally changed this game for me. Dual analog is such a big deal and having all light/vaccum functions on the shoulder buttons is a god send. I maintain the 3DS one is still not fun to play due to the controls.
This honestly makes me want to give it another chance after looking at it on 3DS and thinking "nah".
Heck yeah! That makes me so happy!
-Steve
Now I wanna replay Dark Moon on my 3DS
It's still a good version even with the Nintendo switch version being out. I will be continuing playing it on the 3ds instead of the Nintendo switch.
When I was a kid I could never get into the original Luigi's Mansion. It was too dark (like literally the lighting was too dark) while also being a lot more open ended in how you advance. Dark Moon on the 3DS was actually the first time I enjoyed Luigi's Mansion, because the mission structure made it a lot more clear where you were supposed to go, but adding in the gems in each level gave an additional level of collectathon feeling to it (and I'm a sucker for the N64 collectathons, since I grew up with DK64). So you still got rewarded for exploration and experimenting with things that looked out of the ordinary, but your gameplay wasn't throttled because you forgot to use one of your abilities in a specific way. I was also amazed at how cinematic the game was. Luigi's characterization is so good in all of the little cutscenes, and when you compared it to Mario's 3D games, it was just a completely different flavor. And having the mission structure and constant cutscenes actually opened up more of those moments. I did eventually go back to the original on the Gamecube though, and I enjoyed it a lot more than I did the first time (partly because at that point I was much older and actually had a functioning brain).
Looking back on it, I can understand the criticisms about how the mission structure takes away from the game by ripping you in and out of the levels constantly. But I can also appreciate the gradual changes in the levels between missions, sort of like Mario Sunshine, which is another game I grew up with.
Luigi's Mansion 3 hit a really strong middle ground, having clear missions and objectives to follow, optional side collectibles, but also keeping the exploration open. But 2/Dark Moon I think will still always be my favorite, even though some of that is my bias towards actually liking one of the most contentious points of criticism.
I think the multiple mansions approach is actually better than the hotel from LM3. The hotel was not coherent at all, the floors felt completely random and disconnected from each other. The multiple mansions of LM2 allowed for good variety without sacrificing consistency
I love the idea of a haunted hotel, but after a few floors it gives up all pretense of being a hotel and is just random levels. The first 2 games have a Scooby Doo level of spooky theming, but by the time you get to the museum level, LM3 just loses any sense of mood or spookiness, and its such a huge bummer.
I am not asking for Eternal Darkness or Amnesia here, but I'd like a future game to at least pretend it has a spooky, cohesive atmosphere.
This. 3's attempt to correct things from 2 ultimately made it a more lackluster experience to me. The floors should have more in them, more rooms with more ghosts. The rooms themselves can be a lot smaller, and the themes should be more toned down to match the desolate feeling of 1 or the eerie abandonment of the ones in 2
This is exactly what I feel. The Mansion in 1 felt like an actual haunted mansion. The places in 2 felt like various spooky locations, and had a firm identity. The hotel in 3 felt like a mix between the two games, and it took the worst aspects of both. There's no coherent identity, just a Scarescraper whose areas are far too short to be properly memorable, and goes on far too long having nothing worthwhile to show.
Also not helping matters is how I feel they made the game easier. Luigi's Mansion has never been particularly hard, but 3 feels like I have to actively try to get hurt, or just not stunlock ghosts.
That's fair, but I honestly loved the floors with distinct themes from LM3. Each floor was fun and memorable in its own way, and the ideas at play I thought were brilliant. The floors also had distinct atmospheres and managed to be pretty suspenseful, too. Honestly, I think I'd love the multiple mansions from LM2 more than LM3 if it weren't for the mission structure. I still had fun, though.
the best floor actually is the actual hotel floor. and one of my pet peeves of hte game is that some of the floors are too tiny, and another one is, if you think about it, the floors dont line up properly. and it be nice if the lower floors were larger.
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i also think that the game gets better and better the further you get. the last mansion is just phenomenal imho
The dual scream theme has been my ringtone for years!!! It was too perfect not to use, and it stands the rest of time!
I still haven’t played the original, but between 2 and 3, 2 has always been my favorite. Each location feels unique without being super out of place, and it’s a fun time. Not to mention Scarescraper, which I loved a ton and wish stayed active for longer. Easily my favorite part of the game.
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Luigi’s Mansion 2 HD looks amazing!
Its about time this game gets recognition
I agree one hundred percent even though my perspective is a little different. Once the remaster was announced I actually just went ahead and played it on the 3DS for the first time because it didn’t seem worth the price tag. And I am pleasantly surprised given all the negativity around the original. It is a great “play a mission or two before bed” kind of game and is brimming with the exact same kind of charm that I loved 3 for and the visuals are probably among the best on the 3DS, which is already my favorite Nintendo console of all time.
I really love the level layouts in the second, its so compact, even interconnected at times, like in Dark Souls or something. The last workd had so many hidden areas, the traversal was changed in every mission, and all the rooms felt so unique.
Putting aside the price point of this remaster for a second, I always felt that Luigi's Mansion 2 was a pretty darn good game. I played it before the 1st game, so I didn't have much of an attachment to that game's style or structure when I first played 2. Especially now that I've played 1, I can definitely see that the 2nd and 3rd entries have a bit of a different vibe (the ghosts' behavior in particular), but they're still quality games in their own right, and I honestly like them more because I think the level design and puzzles are more interesting (even the mission structure in 2 didn't bother me since the game was designed around it). One thing I liked about 2 (that even 3 doesn't do) is that the gold can also upgrade your vacuum in addition to improving your rank, which personally made gold a lot more rewarding to collect.
With all that being said, it irks the crap out of me that Nintendo is charging this relatively basic remaster of a 3DS game at the same price as a new AAA release when it clearly does not have the quality and effort of a new AAA release. I'd like to recommend Luigi's Mansion 2 to people, but I know that the HD version's price point is gonna understandably turn some away, and that frustrates me (though I suppose finding a copy of the original 3DS version is also an option).
I was a Gamecube kid and, somehow, I never saw or heard of Luigi's Mansion. It wasn't until the release of the second game that I learned of this masterpiece. I played the living daylights out of this software! The second game really is best played on a rainy day, y'all. Nintendo is the G.O.A.T! Thanks for the upload.
Anytime!
The arcade like nature of LM2 is why I always really liked it. And tbh it has the better multiplayer between it and LM3. So happy people will have a chance to try it now
Its one of the most unjustly hated games ive ever seen
This and Dream Team
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heck, that was a great video review, you've sold it to me!
I thought this game was great back on the 3DS.
Luigi mansion 2 Is my favourite. I love 3 but I like the mission structure of 2
I always love seeing a Steve video! Well, any video from any GVG member really, but this was a fantastic review Steve! It's like you took all the thoughts in my head about being disappointed/fearful that the series would be mission-oriented moving forward, and it didn't make me appreciate the game in front of me. You got me considering giving this one another go!
Thanks a ton!
-Steve
This is my favorite of the 3 games. I loved it on 3DS. The stereoscopic 3D was amazing and added quite a bit for me. I plan to pick this up for $30 today for my Switch.
Something about the vibe atmosphere of this game couldn't be replicated with its sequel.
Bro redeemed himself 🙏
This games combat is a big step up from Luigi's Mansion 3. Playing evasively is what Luigi's Mansion combat is all about, and adding a dodge button was the best way to expand on that.
I actually think the mission structure makes the gameplay way more streamlined as well. Theres a LOT less dead air and the gameplay is straight to the point, which I think works really well for luigis mansion. I actually really dislike running around back and forth after multiple playthroughs of the other games.
Well, you sold me on it! Thanks!
Honestly agree with a lot of this. for slightly different reasons tough. 2 was my first Luigi's Mansion I'd played and I didn't really get it growing up. Now going back to it after beating 1 and 3, I've come to appreciate a lot more what it sets up for 3 and how the more mission based structure makes it much more of a pop on for a short session and play kinda game. Really enjoying myself with it now
I'm glad to be able to play Dark Moon on Switch now. Always enjoyed it.
this was my first Luigi's mansion as a kid and i loved this game never got the hate the missions give you more incentive to replay as well so it keeps you hooked longer also the combat in this one is by far the best
I love your viewpoints on this game. I knew I wanted to play it eventually but I wasn’t super excited because of all the reviews and the way I was looking at it before. After hearing your perspectives, it’s definitely changed how I’m viewing it. And now I’m excited to go pick it up & play! Thank you 🙏🏼
Wait, are you even a gamer, mamita?
Was always my favourite LM game and I'm glad people are re-examining it now that we're years removed and have a more traditional sequel in 3
....Oh yeah, custom ringtones...I need to get mine back. Back on an old phone my custom ringtone was the ringtone from Chapter 3 in Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door. lol
"Different take on a franchise appears on Wii U, diehard fans dislike it, franchise goes back to old formula on Switch and "it's back", Wii U game gets remastered on Switch and those same fans appreciate the different take now"
Where have I heard this before? Why can't we just appreciate these different takes when they come out rather than 10 years later?
This is what Luigi’s Mansion 2 was supposed to look like.
It looked very pretty as a 3DS game. The 3D effect helped it a lot.
I originally played it on the 3ds and all I gotta say is yes I'm bias and the 3ds version is the og itwill always have a place in my heart but I'm happy more people are getting to not only appreciate it more but also are being able to play it if they never had a 3ds and missed out on this game
Costco eshop gift card deal + NSO vouchers = $40 per game
That alone makes this one worth it
As for me, I've played all 3 Luigi's Mansion games, and to this day, Luigi's Mansion 2 is still my favorite. Both Luigi's Mansion 1 and 3 were boring to me. The main 2 reasons that i liked Luigi's Mansion 2 more than both 1 and 3 are the following:
1. In Luigi's Mansion 2, you are not stuck in either 1 hotel or 1 mansion.
2. In Luigi's Mansion 2, you can unlock upgrades to your poltergeist 5,000 to make the game not only easier but my enjoyable.
This is based on my own personal opinion.
I see.
also just a correction
most likely no 2 wasnt designed like that because of memory limitations because the boo mission lets you explore the entire house, as well as the last mission in the game where most of the mansion is available, and we got luigi mansion remake years later on the same hardware, its probably just designed like that for the portable aspect
Luigi’s mansion Dark moon on the 3ds was my first Luigi’s mansion game as I never had a Gamecube back in the day.
Regardless if it lived up to rest of the series, it was still able to get me into the series little universe and gameplay loop while giving me a lot of fun in the process.
I wouldn’t have gotten Luigi’s mansion 3 if I hadn’t played it. I was pleased to know I still could have as much fun with it when the HD version if not more.
Maybe it’s rose tinted glasses but the risks this game took were def worth it imo.
Floors were cool and all in LM3 but still felt a little disconnected almost like they were separate levels. I’m still waiting for LM to return to one giant mansion that feels super connected almost like a stellar metroidvania.
Just set Dual Scream aa my ringtone too 🤣
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Only reason people dismissed Luigi's Mansion 2 was because it was on 3DS instead of the Wii U.
I'm glad people are finally giving the game a proper chance.
Apart from the graphics, I prefer LM2 over 3. The gameplay is far better, the level designs are more intricate and fun to explore. 3 just feels like a puzzle game, when the original game never was one. 2 has way better combat than 3, and while yes, it has many puzzles, they feel like an added bonus instead of the whole game.
cant believe anyone doubted this game, luigis mansion always been good
It was already on my list. The ghosts' expressions and the mansions' unique designs. I've spent so much time playing the game.
My favorite game of all time made in HD still feels surreal
Despite naysayers crying about the price I've no complaints and I'm enjoying the game immensely on my Nintendo Switch.
Visually 2HD is actually pretty impressive, everything seems to have been remodelled and retextured, the polygon count definitely is higher on pretty much everything and the textures are extremely clean, the lighting has also been entirely overhauled, it doesn't have the same depth as the light in 3, but it is definitely pretty and the way it bounces differently off of different surfaces like the plasticky couches or metallic objects is quite nice.
Really, this game is suffering from the same problem something like Twilight Princess HD did, people misremembering the original and thinking it looked better than it did, and thus giving far too little credit to Tantalus for the update.
The commentary hear reminds me of the reaction to 3D World and Skyward Sword when they were released on the Switch. A lot of the criticism they got at the time was from fans worried about the series going in a specific direction. But after Mario and Zelda got more open and exploratory entries, the uniqueness of the previous games are easier to be appreciated.
I’ve never understood the hate it got, being different never made it a bad game.
I find it incredible that you all didn’t like this when it came out. The first one is incredibly charming, and perhaps stands alone in it’s mix of family friendly scares and lovability, but NLG’s take is funny and lovable in it’s own way, and most importantly, sees the gameplay and content evolve so far beyond the original that it’s kind of shocking.
Glad people are changing their minds though, this is a really fun game. Currently having a great time playing it all over again.
ill always be a rabid Luigi's Mansion 1 lover (gawd i love that game) but I couldn't be more glad that Luigi's Mansion 2 exists, not only because it's fun on its own right, but also because it _kept the franchise _*_alive_*_ and going_
Im glad the switch is giving people a second chance to appreciate this game! Its an absolute gem and deserves the love. I even had a similar experience where i was previously pretty meh on 3D World, and the switch version opened my eyes to how good it is. Sometimes all it takes is time and a second look
Honestly rather grateful that ive gotten to revisit a lot of titles in a new light during the switch generation. Games like 3D World and Dark Moon are a lot easier to appreciate when we aren't wanting them to be something else
This game is fantastic. Masterpiece in my eyes personally.
The right stick control drives me insane. I know there's an option to change it but the way I want it to be (that I feel is intuitive) is a mix of both options.
It was one of my favorite game back in the days, maybe due to the nostalgia idk but I trully loved this and I really never understood why so many people said it was a bad game. Yes it changed up the gameplay compared to LM1 but I do think the fights, the story, the mansions and the puzzles are well though out! I'm super happy to play at this game again and I will definetly 100% it haha
I also love the fact that you went back on your positions!
Btw I haven't reached the winter map yet but the music is just amazing can't wait to listen to it again! (it's in the video too)
I'm about to play it for the first time in about an hour. I have only played Luigis Mansion 3 and I really enjoyed it quite a bit. Haven't even seen gameplay from the first one. Looking forward to this one, but I'm not expecting it to be as good as 3 was.
I’ve only played Luigi’s Mansion 3, and I consider it my favorite game of all time, not just out of the three! (Close 2nd is Super Mario Sunshine 😊)
You just reminded me. I need to find that Dual Scream ringtone for my phone.
Where to search :(
Google
Excellent video Steve! 7:36 I was thinking this reminds me of Mario 3D World: way less appreciated when it was the only 3D Mario on a poor selling system but once you have the Switch and Odyssey plus an improved version... it allowed people to enjoy 3D World for the truly incredible game it is. I wouldn't want every 3D Mario to be like 3D World and I'm happy it exists because it's SO GOOD. And similarly though I don't want every Luigi's Mansion to be like 2, it's nice having one with a different flavor and a better ability to pick up and put down 😊
As someone who starts with the series in 2024 and with this game (Part 1 is not available on switch), I had a blast with this game. But the review made me pumped for part 3.
Digital Foundry sold me on this remake and now you as well!
If things keep going on like this even Duke Nukem Forever will be acepted and forgiven if someone decide to do a remake
No one was really thinking about "saving memory" while developing for 3DS games came out rather quickly on the 3DS. I think people had a general idea of the limitations.
Only one ask remains from the franchise: LM1 on Switch.
I think Luigi's Mansion 3 is not an open exploration game like most people say, 2 and 3 are level based if you really think about it, 1 is the only one designed like a metroidvania. The thing with LM 3 is that instead of manually selecting the mission or level from a menu like in 2, you go to a themed floor in the hotel, you beat the boss, it gives you a key to the next floor, you go back to the bunker with E. Gadd, then you go to the next themed floor again to repeat the process, it's really levels disguised as an hotel you can walk through, but there's nothing to do in previous floors after you beat them for the most part.
I've loved this game since its release. While it's not as open as 1 and 3, I find the mission-based structure makes it a lot more palatable for those who may be constrained for time. I remember grabbing the original back at launch and playing a level or two before college classes would start. Also, the characters were far more expressive here than in the original. Not to rag on it though, it's still a fine game, but imo 2 and 3 had a lot more charm to their animation.
The mission structure has been part of Luigi's Mansion since the first game, just no t as explicit. In dark moon they subdivided things just a lot more.
The Mission Structure makes getting 3 Stars in each Mission easier. Image having to Re-do the ENTIRE Mansion because you got a 2 Star.
I could never get past the ice boss on 3DS. I’ve been on the fence about this, but I think you just tipped my hand towards giving it another shot. I think I’ll leave my 3DS version where it is and start fresh on the Switch.
I don't think LM2 has its mission structure due to any hardware limitations of the 3DS. Evidenced by the fact that each mansion is explorable in their entirety, if not close to their entirety, in some missions and because they ported LM1 to 3DS, which you mention in the video. The entire mansion is not held in memory the whole time, the game loads in new rooms as you go through doors or look through windows. The mission structure is instead a design decision made to make it easier to digest in a portable format. Even a relaxed playthrough puts each mission at about 10-15 minutes.
I think Nintendo did later realize when making games like BOTW and Mario Odyssey that segmenting games don't necessarily make them more portable friendly, especially if the system can sleep. They instead pivoted to more seamlessly designed games that allow the player to jump in and out as they see fit. Probably partly why 3 wasn't designed the same way apart from feedback from fans.
Jokes on you about the ringtone comment. :) I got that ringtone on my phone for years now. And never changed it since it’s that good 😊
This reiterated the same topical sentiments reviewers had when it came out for the first 6 minutes... 2 tried to innovate properly where 3 was imo an uninspired twist. I guess the mission structure is too high a wall to get past??. Clearly nintendo sees 2 as a charmer, imagine youre sitting late at night next to a roaring fire in an old house which Luigi's mansion game would you want to play
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Luigi’s Mansion: Dark Moon was always my favorite game in the series and I felt it was unjustly hated. Personally, I think 3 is real overrated. Glad to see your trying it again!
Its such a fun and peak game
I know this game is getting criticised for the pricing of the port (probably rightfully so), but I’m still excited to finally try it out after loving my time with 3
luigis mansion 2 is my favorite game of all time right above paper mario sticker star. and i think sticker star, if it was remade would have the same impression as this on people
If I liked the original Luigi's Mansion but not Luigi's Mansion 3 (ghost catching just didn't feel as natural, and I wasn't keen on the aesthetics and change in flashlight mechanic), do you think I'd get on with 2?
I’m a massive fan of the original and super happy that has a fresh coat of paint because, even on the 3DS, it looks beautiful and it’s great that more people can play it now. But why on earth is this full price😭😭 This has no business being $60 and I find it surprising that no one is acknowledging it
4:42 oh I get it, when it comes to expectations "it's not a triple A experience so it's okay if it's not good" but when it comes to pricing " wdym it's not high quality? It's a full price first party title".
I'm sorry I still think Luigi's Mansion 2 to be the weakest entry especially now when we have a better sequel available on the same system at the same price (could be cheaper if you get it used) I see no reason to get this especially when Nintendo could have either ported Luigi's Mansion 1 instead or even the arcade title over this.
It’s one of the very best 3DS games. Top 10 at least. Of course it’s great.
it was my second favorite 3ds game because of the online scarescraper
I have loved LM2 since it came out and I'm glad you have changed your mind on it! I think you can argue about the difference in vibe and style between LM1 and 2, and the structure of the games. But I think where LM2 is way better than 1 is in its much more creative level design and engaging combat design. Mansion 3 and 4 are especially well designed when it comes to layouts and puzzles. The combat feels much better in 2 (and 3). The controls are tighter and more intuitive and the new mechanics like the strobulb and charge meter add another level of strategy and complexity to the combat, which the different ghosts are all designed to play around with. My favorite fights are those where the ghosts make you decide when to pull back and when to let go in order to evade attacks. Its also always so satisfying to line up multiple ghosts with the strobulb.
This does ultimately make 2 win out over 1 in my opinion even if I don't like the mission structure. I would like to see Luigi's Mansion 4 do multiple mansions again, but do each one in a more seamless, lock and key design as LM1. If they could take inspiration from Resident Evil 2 on that front, that would be incredible!
Waiting for this game to go down in price. I can only find it for $80 here in Canada.
i think luigis mansion 3 is the only game in the series that was beloved at launch...
I don't think the structure of Luigi's Mansion 2 has anything to do with memory limitations, that would be a big assumption. I mean, they managed to fit Luigi's Mansion 1 on 3DS.
I believe it was just designed this way purely to be friendlier for portable play in short bursts. It is also overall easier to design and produce a game with bite sized missions.
I’d compare dark Moon to something like origami king or skyward sword. Not quite what the franchise needed at the time, but a lot better in hindsight
This game gets so much hate but it's pretty fun, I'm glad that it was the first Luigi's mansion game I played because that allowed me to enjoy it without comparing it so much