The fact that they are even comparable without people laughing about it makes me happy. Think about Uraraka vs Bakugou(Bakugou just left her behind) and Sasuke vs Sakura(lol)
@@griffithdidnothingwrong2341 Agree that it is stupid. as a yuno fangirl i can admit that the author haven't developed Yuno at all. So the character development and meaning behind Noelle battle is definitely superior. There is no comparison. Though hopefully one day the author does give this level attention to the main character's rival. At this point yuno is going end up as another sakura.
@@thenintenbro7154 did you even watch the video and look at the speed scaling. Doesn't matter if you *feel* he should be faster. He clearly used scaling and evidence to back his claims up.
Noelle may be my favorite character in the show, but I think Yuno may win. Mana zone and the wind spirit give him an advantage in my opinion. Not that I don't want Noelle to win this battle, I think base Yuno (Yuno without Sylph) probably would lose besides the fact that he has mana zone. In my mind mana zone is the bankai of the wizards. I think Noelle could go toe to toe with Yuno once she learns a mana zone spell.
*spoiler warning * Umm… Noelle can borrow the power of the natural mana even tho she doesn’t have a spirit (the underwater episode in ss3) so this battle might be close. And yes, Yuno might take advantage because of the ability to control magic and mana zone , he’s the prince of spade after all.
Yuno low - mid diffs Noelle with Sylph. Yuno Mid - High diff without Sylph. Hypothetically, if Noelle has complete control over her magic, Yuno barely takes it if not stalemate. Y'all stop sleepin on Noelle! Yuno ain't walkin unscathed.
@@griffithdidnothingwrong2341 I agree but Yuno is nearing the ranks of OP. A four leaf clover grimoire, the wind spirit elemental, and then one of the best magic knights. Noelle obtaining Undine would even the odds if anything.
Maybe I’m missing the point but if your using Noelle fighting the golden dawn elf as evidence and since she caught of guard nozel and defeated him, are you saying Nozel
Broku has lost his fucking mind, Yuno is a rival for Asta he has a four-leaf clover grimoire he also has the wind spirit and all of his stats are better than Noelle's stats, so obviously Broku went balls deep in his own asshole to pull that victory out for Noelle because idfk where else she's gonna get it from 😒
Noelle isn’t stronger lol yuno is faster has mor magic and spells and all she has is a lance and one attack spell he an she can’t spam it unlike yuno he would keep attacking her and it would be a ko her defense isn’t stron enough. Yuno would mop the floor with her
Amina Ahmed Did you not watch the video? Noelle literally has more mana than Yuno, and she is much much faster than him, several tiers of speed faster, in fact. Also, spamming spells is objectively not a good fighting strategy. Have you not watched shonen fights before? Yuno would not be so stupid as to do that.
Very well done video. I am going to bet on Yuno. This is due to my belief that all the Elf power Yuno has experienced will be retained. This isn't a mindless belief but rather is due to my boy Luck Voltia. Luck remembered the power and there is no reason to believe that this should be a unique experience (a.k.a. I believe all Elf hosts got boosted) even if you want to argue that this isn't going to happen to anyone but the best of the Clover Kingdom, I would want to ask for first evidence of such a suggestion (as of now it is one person improved the rest unknown) and secondly even if true Yuno should from both logical and story reasoning be in the same camp. Yuno is at minimum just as much a combat prodigy as Luck with Yuno actually possessing arguments that Yuno is more of prodigy. This is proven by the fact that in the Royal Knights tournament Yuno took on Rill and won the conditions of the clash compared to Luck with help did not win in those conditions against Rill. Yuno has had less experience in combat having been selected at the same as Asta into his squad. Thus Luck undeniably has more experience than either Yuno or Asta but yet they ultimately defeat Luck. So how did Luck "remember" how powerful he was as an Elf? One can either argue that Luck remembered simply because he experienced the feel while the Elf was in control and thus everyone can replicate the power of the Elf (this is the argument I back) or one can say that Luck remembered through raw talent. Once again either explanation gives Yuno the Elf boost as the first gives everyone the boost and the latter gives Yuno the boost as he not just is more prodigious than Luck but also legitimately felt the power (as Yuno was in control while Luck was not). As a bonus point Luck does not possess a 4 Leaf Clover, Yuno however does. As for the story argument, it is simply a fact that Yuno and Asta are rivals and we can't have them be that if Yuno was casually overcome at this stage. With all those arguments explained let's talk about the Nozel thing. As soon as Nozel is caught offguard the feat loses a lot of its credibility for what you want to use it for. If Nozel was off guard then what does that prove about the Elf she helped defeat. It doesn't prove anything other than Nozel off guard is capable of being wounded by that mage. So really all this proves is that Noelle could seriously wound her brother when he is off guard. All the other arguments are solid for Noelle so good on that just wanted point out that issue. I am content with saying that she is on the low side of Mid Captain tier. This would be in comparison to just average captain level Yuno. Anyway enjoyed the video. Keep up the good work.
@@Comic.215 I know that hence the "remembering" I mentioned. Luck still possessed the power up after the soul was gone. Luck didn't have the Elf soul in his body when he "remembered" so my point stands.
Noelle is running away from fanna when keeping away with nozel. Yuno is dodging the attacks, and doing so effortlesly. Running and dodging ain't the same thing. And the nozel scaling is reatrded. Nozel got murked by compass chick but beat dark elf patri, does that mean compass chick > dark elf patri? I doubt that very much
I disagree on the speed scaling because during the fight against the demon. Yuno was shown being ahead of Asta in speed and even telling Asta to keep up with him(chapter 211). He was also moving so fast at one point that the demon couldn't keep up with him. Asta's speed feat speaks for itself, so unless Noelle is somehow faster than Asta. That's the only way I can agree on the speed scaling. As for magic power, I don't know if I would say Noelle is stronger because, at one point in the manga, Yuno easily took out a bunch of elves that many magic knights struggled to do in page 193. The fight would be somewhat close, but I do not see Noelle winning it or comming super close to winning.
Karma that feat is irrelevant since that is ELF Yuno AMPED by the Wizard kings light magic. And... did you not see that Asta actually caught up to him and even moved faster? Asta is faster than Yuno.
@@Br0ku First off, Asta only moved faster because Yuno was distracting the demon. If Asta truly was faster than on page 210 Yuno wouldn't have reacted faster than Asta. Secondly, it doesn't matter because on page 209 Yuno was still moving as fast as Asta without being AMPED. Thirdly, I thought the whole points of battle is by talking about each person at their strongest point. Afterall you used a picture of Noelle being amped.
Karma no. Yuno wasn’t distracting the devil he was racing towards him and Asta travelled a further distance in the same time. Even if Yuno was equal in 209 that would mean that Asta got even faster. But it was basically a combo spell so not really adding much to the argument. Tell me where Noelle got an amp? The whole point of the video as expressely states was current versions.
@@David-ki2pu Noelle never got amped by anything else, but herself. Her power ups souly came from her while yuno's power ups are just handed to like yuno's campaign is on easy mode 😁
I completly disagree, Yuno would win with low dif easily. You brought the fight with the compass elf and forget mentioning that she was already injured and maybe even passed out for a couple seconds plus Nozel got only "one shoted" because he didnt pay attention and let his guard would that be up something like this would never happen. Second you brought that she alone fight the other elfes after she defeated compass elf and thats not true at all you forget to mention that zora practicly targeted the elves with his trap magic and enchanted both nozel and neolle to know where they are plus nozel gave noelle his magic to protect and distract the elves so that was easy plus like you said in the other videos they where no name elves so thats not even a great feat. No Fana was weaker when she was resurected, she only has her healing magic and no attack potency at all and that Noelle one shot her is not even an argument because first Noelle has the elemtal advantage second she didnt really pay attention. And no she didnt dogde Jacks attack he only missed her by a little bit and thats it. Third how the hell is noelle faster then yuno who did you get. She only dodged a couple of attacks from compass elf and defeated (she was injured) her then she against fana that has no attack potency and can only heal because the salamander was for the attacks. Fourht we didnt even see much of the fight against her, so why are you bringing her up here. Your arguments prove nothing except that you are high balling noelle by a large large margin and low balling yuno completly. Yuno has more mana thanks to bell, is faster (he was able to dodge with his two light based magic attacks that should way faster then light itself), has more attacks, spirit storm would pretty much counter sea dragons roar etc. This video was shit and you didnt even do your research right. Just scim through the chapters 174-210 and you can pretty much see what i wrote hear, you fucked up a great time here broku.
Calm your tits my guy. Think before commenting because holy crap this was bad. Kvin is confirmed to have gotten stronger. It is something that elves have shown to do and she even stated her spell was bigger and stronger, that was ever she was drowning. So youre wrong on that one. Did you not read the fight of Nozel vs Kvin? Nozel would have been clobbered by her either way. He couldn't attack her and his Mercury control was heavily affected. Good Strawman! Because I never said she defeated the golden dawn elves by herself I even mentioned in the video that she was aided. What she did do was BLITZ them all. That is a fact that through sheer speed she was way faster than all of them despite being low on mana. It is a good feat, it was four Golden Dawn elves AND Noelle was running low on mana. So it shows how consistent she is. Holy crap my guy... the elven form turned Marx into an actual threat so yes Elf Fana > WF Fana. Her speed scales well above since she could dodge Jack's attack, don't even try to say she didn't, she was moving and it hit her wing but it still showed she could react and dodge it enough. Elemental advantage isn't everything... otherwise Asta would never struggle in fights, Yami would have casually defeated Patry in the cave, etc. You can debate me on Discord but your retort was garbage. I didn't downplay Yuno or highball Noelle. She scales above Dark Elf Patry in speed who Yuno was having huge troubles against. Discord is linked if you want to debate in VC.
@@Br0ku When did i wrote that the one who was possesed by comapss elf didnt got stronger i never stated. I never even mentioned her Compass field magic. Where did you get the part with Nozel. Nozel was "one shoted" after he didnt pay attention to the compass elf and let his guard when his guard was up he would practicly one shot her again because his attacks are way faster then dark elf patri. So yeah good strawman argument on your side when you didnt even understand what i wrote. Yeah Blitzing elves that barely even moved and where distracted or maybe more cought by nozels magic in place where she could just fly up their and attack them and second noelle where they would go because zora basicly through his trap magic cowards revelation tlled both noelle and nozel where they would went ans third his trap where active on them so basicly doubled even noelles attack. That Marx turned to threat proves because we never saw if he can fight or had any attack spells to begin with so a no here. And no fana is weaker why and how in the hell should she stronger then her WF part first she doesnt any attack spell because that was salamanders job second even if she dogded jacks that doesnt mean shes above light speed so that can keep up proves nothing and third we didnt even see much of the fight so why are you including it. Yeah elemtal advantage is not all but she still has this advantage that neither dissaproves my statement. Just because Fana has more doesnt make her stronger then her WF part, she still doesnt have attack potency and when you dont get that then your stupid. Where the hell did that with asta come from. Astas swords divide, absorb or reflect magic so naturally he would get by large magic like Ray of Judgement if decides to divide it because his body doesnt have the anti magic advantage except in his anti mana/magic zone state. Sorry to write this to you but yami would won the first fight against Patri if he didnt needed to protect his members so yeah thats not argument to begin with and we practicly saw in the first fight too that yami was able to dodge light attacks so that wouldnt be much of problem. Sorry your high balling noelle too much and say she faster then noelle even tough you scale yuno without his elven power to the that was able to dodge attack from elven ryha and parti this attacks should be way faster then usual light attacks and he dodged with ease. So no with this yuno he would completly shit on noelle everyday and too add more to this he still use wind spirit creation magic basicly because it takes the mana from the atmosphere and not from the people itself. So in the fight with the devil he only collected the pure mana what the attacks left and created sword, yeah he can do this again but the sword probably wouldnt be that strong when used it against noelle. You did a horrible job on research put things in my mouth that i never stated and call this good strawman argument even tough you are making the strawman argument here go read the chapters 174-210 again.
@@jirenthegray5776 Yeah thats true but if you listened to the video you would know that broku scales yuno end of the elven arc to the yuno where he dodged the light attacks from patri and ryha. So think again.
People don't forget that Noelle has one of the best stats in the data book: Growth. It's not Yuno's fault its just that the Valkyrie Dress is actually broken. It does to many things and all them exceptionally well. It doesn't hurt that base Noelle has incredible AP, and then add the fact that the Dress makes it even stronger. This is Noelle with low physical strength, magic control and sensing. Yuno has already achieved high stats in these. Noelle will continue to grow even more, let's try to imagine a Noelle with with 3 PS, 4 MC and 4 Cleverness. She would high Captain tier. I always though Noelle will get the Water spirit, but when she got Valkyrie Dress I knew it was very unlikely, because she would be broken. Just imagine Noelle screaming "Valkyrie Dress Spirit Dive" 😂
the only characters that will probably surpass julius are asta and yuno. People still don't realise that except for licht, lumiere and the devil there is no character in the series (and won't be for some time unless we get introduced to other kingdom's version of the wizard king) that can give julius more than a mid diff fight.
You gave great examples of movement speed for Noelle, but her best reaction time and dodging feat doesn’t go passed Kivin. Don’t get me wrong it is still amazing considering they were coming from all directions, but their speed doesn’t compare to two light mages at once. I also don’t see Noelle having an answer for Spirit’s Hushed Dance. Also we know Yuno can use his magic inside the defensive spells because he did it to Alecdora without Mana Zone.
I want Black clover to have a 1v1 tournment to decide who is worthy to get increased ranks. We could have fights like Yuno vs Noelle actually happen also Leo vs Luck would be epic with Leo maybe getting a power up mid fight
I think that line Nozel said while thinking of Noelle can interpreted that he needed her speed because it would be useful and that he couldn’t do it by himself, but the way you interpreted it seems to also be right
Wow, Broku, again you're bringing up things I totally overlooked lol. What are your thoughts on the Queen of Witches vs Julius? He's OP no doubt, but I think the Queen would have effective tactics/counters against him, too.
I think point with Nozel is inaccurate. It was stated in his fight against Dark Patri that Compass magic was VERY bad match for Nozel since he relies on very precise mana control with his magic and Compass Magic was making him use only the most basic attacks while Noelle's dress was good was nullifying this effect and let her win. As Nozel said the affinity of magic is VERY important part of a fight.
Something i wanna know about magic in BC is can you use ut at its scientifical level such as filling a room with water to drown someone or using fire to burn something or using murcury to poision someone (Broku plz respond need answers 👌)
Noelle filled the room with water in her fight vs the elf. Mareleona punched everything with fire and burnt it away vs Rhya, Julius reversed time in the whole kingdom so yeah it effects the surroundings not just the person they're fighting.
Ima just sit back on this one as soon as you form the first word of your opinion 5 toxic ass people attack you 😂 for having a different answer than them
I'll bet on Yuno, well noel is strong but not strong enough to defeat YUNO and come-on YUNO is the MC's rival here.. Who can beat him up if not the MC or someone stronger than the MC ? It will out of point if someone with 4 clover magic book and own an elf and even a childhood rivals defeated not by the MC and not even stronger than the MC ? I mean what the whole point of this anime then ? Isnt Asta want to become more stronger because of YUNO ? And if yuno defeated by someone who isnt even stronger than the mc how about Asta motivation this whole time? It is ridiculous
Oh thought you was gonna use the Yuno when he fought the devil but ok. I actually would place Yuno to win a 1v1 with Noelle due to her having to actually hit her attacks vs Yuno who can destroy it from the inside out or dodge it all together but i forgot that Noelle fought 3 other Elves after the elf that hurt Nozel.
Noella is strong as asta that's a change in anime if not stronger then asta ... I assume the stringest character in black clover at the end might be noelle ..
Luck stated that hes body remembered how the elf who used hes body moved and hence got stronger , so even without the elf boost yuno would still be way stronger than hes fight with rill infact the only loss would be the mana hed lose from the elf buff and lumieres buff. Hes sword should still have lumieres and lichts mana and i dont think taking that away from yuno is fair because yuno used hes power to absorb the mana in the air and make that sword he didnt get buffed from an outside source. Maybe he could do that with noeles magic . Absorb noeles mana and put it in the sword to make an antiwater sword? Sea dragons roar is not really a problem when yunos towering tornado was stated to be able to be casted WITHIN another spell hence destroying a spell from the inside out and thats exactly what yuno is gona do. Noeeles defenses are useless because of mana zone. Also lets not forget that yuno can use hes wind magic to speed himself up like he does with asta.And he obviously got faster than when he fought dark elf patri and like i set yuno should remeber how he used hes body even after he lost the elf buff wich means he should be just as fast as when he fought the devil but without the elf boost and light buff. Theres not an inormus speed gap between the two but lets just say noelle is faster because am to bored to scale how fast is the yuno i mentioned. Yuno would keep her at bay by using mana zone to spam alot of wind magic from diferent angles while keeping hes distance, noelle will focus all her energy to counter yunos atks hence why she cant close the gap between them because of the speels and the not so big speed gap. Yuno would eventually infuse hes sword with noeeles mana and create an antiwater sword and break her spear with it. Even without yuno doing that hes sword can fight the devvil magic while her spear would get absorbed by that magic wich puts yunos sword above her spear.
Also what is your thought on about Nozel getting his own Version of Noelle's/Acier's Valkyrie Dress I mean out of the rest of the siblings I think it's possible plus make the most sense since Nozel not just loved his Mother but looks up to her that kind of why he wanted to become Captain of the Silver Eagles after his Mother was.
It’s all about asspull tbh.If noelle comes close to beating yuno,yuno will win while getting a power up.So noelle will loose but it will be high def.If she has control over her power I can see it going either way if she has control. #1 stalemate or #2 they both are badly damaged but charging there final attack.. then here’s comes asta to stop them. At the end of the day these 2 are future captains
Strange that you have Kivin above someone that is insanely fast like Nozel and slap on how he thinks how Noelle would help him greatly and say confidently how Noelle is faster than Nozel,even tho Nozel was clearly taken off guard by Kivin with one of the most broken magic in the series,so having Noelle being faster than someone like freaking dark elf Patri and Nozel. Would be quite a high ball for her speed,while Yuno’s speed is quite consistent and mana zone would boost his speed overtime really,so it can close the gap
Scaling Nozel moving with everyone and his max speed when fighting dark elf is like scaling a school bus moving at sub max speed matching with a bike and then saying bike will match the bus at max speed too. The only flaw in the speed argument.
Honestly I love both and I do think Noelle has a lot more mana but I feel like Yuno has the edge. Not by a wide margin but his superior speed/sense/and mana zone give him the advantage. Makes me sad tho cause I love both
Just cuz the compass mage countered sea dragons roar doesn't put her above vetto. Different magic works to counter other magic. Black clover isn't just a biggest blast wins story. Love your content but cmon
well Luck did state his body remembers how the elf used his body so if that's the case if yuno was in control but became fully reincarnated during his awakening against the word devil he still recieves the blessing of reincarnation power up full force as he stayed reincarnated longer then luck and gauche was reincarnated longer then luck too before asta got to them
@@Br0ku i'm rereading the chapter now and it says what i just said, his body still remembers how the elf used his body he got even stronger but depends on what he meant by that and what site were both using. i'm using mangarock what are you using?
@@jacobclark9435 The official translation. He actually says "I can get even stronger". So if you add that with the other bits Luck just has greater mana control now. He is stronger than his pre elf self but still weaker than Lufulu.
I agree with basically everything you say except speed that seems like a bit of a stretch. There's a big difference between attack speed and travel speed.
I have a quick question seeing that manga panel of Noelle vs Elf Fana I wonder will we see more people who can turn their body into an element cause only Elf Fana and the one faceless member of the Midnight that was with Heath trying to get that stone from that small village turn himself into water to escape Asta and others who can their butts...
Didn't the elven mana buff the people who had the elves inside them? I remember luck saying his body learnes how to use mana better from when the elf was in him.
Let’s not forget that Yuno is assisted by the mighty spirit of wind and Noelle is using her own magic from her own grimore so if Noelle has the water spirit she’ll beat yuno with injuries
I want the manga to explore the idea of giving asta a full power that would be similar to assault mode where he seals all the anti magic as well as part of the demon inside his body for a short time making him completely immune to magic for a temporary time but coming at the cost of the fact that if asta isn’t carful he will lose his ability to re seal the demon inside the sword / grimoire
I would put Kivin above human Vetto, but not because of that feat. Kivin’s spell essentially makes long range spells useless which people don’t seem to understand. That’s why Kivin was able to no diff Nozel because that’s all he does (plus the elemental advantage of compass vs Mercury). If Vetto fought Kivin it would probably be because Vetto couldn’t dodge Kivin’s needles not her control over mana since it doesn’t effect close range spells.
there are many points u consider when you talk about nozel vs dark elf patri but there are many points you do not consider as well. nozel's spell speed, remember he had fought against pati before n had practised just a hint look at the speed at which he was able to create that cocoon like spell. to many factors really need to be considered thats why there will always be arguments. In any case i agree noelle is no push over n that she gets downplayed a lot.
I'm going to be completely honest, I'm well aware the Noelle is strong and I'm not trying to downplay nor underestimate her; however, when you pit her against someone like Yuno, there is no way she could defeat him so I completely disagree with this vs match-up. Yuno has WAY better control of his mana, plus more physical strength, has more reserves of magic, mastery of the wind spirit, and he along with Asta was able to go toe to toe against high tier characters like Patri, Licht, and the Devil. True, that Noelle has gotten stronger and she's getting better at controlling her magic but she still has a long way to go because remember she's cursed and once that curse is broken her magic will grow exponentially. Granted, she'll might get stronger in the future, perhaps she might add the water spirit to her repertoire and probably a spirit dive. Yes, her valkyrie dress, is fast, SO FAST, that the humans eyes cannot detect; however, it uses a lot of mana and she can't stay in that form for very long. I don't care what research or statistics you come up from your sleeves, Yuno wins!
Honest opinion real talk ,broku do you think that current black asta LOSES to noelle. If you dont than that means that asta is stronger than yuno in this point of the series.post elfarc. Are you sure noelle beats YUNO!
bro this is what happened. the elf beat nozel because nozel is a master at magic control so her magic was his natural enemy. On the other hand valkyrie dress compresses mana thus is difficult to disrupt thus making it possible for noelle to defeat her since she was mobile.
Noelle is a little more battle tested than Yuno as well. Don't get me wrong, Yuno has been in some MAJOR fights but they only came in the war arc along side of the diamond kingdom invasion. Noelle has been battling since day one big enemies. So her battle experience in terms of tough opponents gives her the edge imo. Also, we do not know how much power Yuno truly lost due to him no longer having the magic stone too. I don't think he's heavily nerfed post war arc. I say out of 10 battles, Noelle will take it 6/10 just based upon her attack potency.
No, there's been a lot of misinterpretation from this. They don't keep the mana boost from the elves but rather a better understanding of how to use those powers.
But, Yuno only had that power in that sword because he absorbed the power of those around him with a dues ex machina, so I’m happy you didn’t include it given he absorbed the power of the weakened version of two of the strongest characters in the series
The fact that they are even comparable without people laughing about it makes me happy. Think about Uraraka vs Bakugou(Bakugou just left her behind) and Sasuke vs Sakura(lol)
The Yuno fanboys still arguing like it's not a fact Noelle destroy him.
I was just thinking about how great it was that this isn't treated as a joke.
@@griffithdidnothingwrong2341 Agree that it is stupid. as a yuno fangirl i can admit that the author haven't developed Yuno at all. So the character development and meaning behind Noelle battle is definitely superior. There is no comparison. Though hopefully one day the author does give this level attention to the main character's rival. At this point yuno is going end up as another sakura.
@@griffithdidnothingwrong2341 if Noelle can destroy Yuno, then she can destroy Asta.
Well noelle is part the best guild and yuno is vc of jobbers makes sense she is stronger
My Fellow Commenters let us fear for our lives before the war breaks out.
CactusGuy29OW__ ikr 😭 some people act cool at first then they become all toxic when you have a different opinion
Kurama Yeah 😂
I hope there's another tournament later on in the series
Also did not expect Noelle to win
george gest HXH?
@george gest Yu yu hakusho? MHA? Most long running manga do multiple tournaments actually
Inter kingdom tournament arc
I dont see the point for there to be.
The new black clover opening, seems like opening 10 instead of 9. Noelle vs Fana, the devil, thats way over the anime line
Jorge Huertas it’ll probably change the episode where they reveal the devil
What if it's like OP 7 and they keep it for a couple months
The fact that it's even arguable shows how much better Noelle was handled than sakura lmao
Lmao
A war is about to break out in the comments
I don’t think Noelle is weak at all but i really dont see her beating Yuno lol
Why not?
Jiren The Gray kek
Yuno's speed should be faster then Noelle
@@thenintenbro7154 did you even watch the video and look at the speed scaling. Doesn't matter if you *feel* he should be faster. He clearly used scaling and evidence to back his claims up.
@@shawnthesage3632 relax I know how this works I never stated he would win bro relax
Noelle may be my favorite character in the show, but I think Yuno may win. Mana zone and the wind spirit give him an advantage in my opinion. Not that I don't want Noelle to win this battle, I think base Yuno (Yuno without Sylph) probably would lose besides the fact that he has mana zone. In my mind mana zone is the bankai of the wizards. I think Noelle could go toe to toe with Yuno once she learns a mana zone spell.
Youre talking about valkryie dress noelle vs base yuno right?
*spoiler warning * Umm… Noelle can borrow the power of the natural mana even tho she doesn’t have a spirit (the underwater episode in ss3) so this battle might be close. And yes, Yuno might take advantage because of the ability to control magic and mana zone , he’s the prince of spade after all.
Let's not forget that nozel was caught off guard while protecting his siblings & I believe that's why he lost to the compass elf
Yuno low - mid diffs Noelle with Sylph.
Yuno Mid - High diff without Sylph.
Hypothetically, if Noelle has complete control over her magic, Yuno barely takes it if not stalemate.
Y'all stop sleepin on Noelle! Yuno ain't walkin unscathed.
Kurohige D. Teach fair enough
I wish Noelle will get the water spirit
@@lisagamingfan_yt2162 I made a video about her obtaining Undine
@@lisagamingfan_yt2162 No then she's be too overpowered, I want some one form another kingdom to have it. Maybe a rival for her.
@@griffithdidnothingwrong2341 I agree but Yuno is nearing the ranks of OP. A four leaf clover grimoire, the wind spirit elemental, and then one of the best magic knights. Noelle obtaining Undine would even the odds if anything.
Alright I'm noelle all the way cause she is a badass
Now I know this is gonna trigger some people
Maybe I’m missing the point but if your using Noelle fighting the golden dawn elf as evidence and since she caught of guard nozel and defeated him, are you saying Nozel
That's literally what he said lol
quit trying to bait lmao
Broku has lost his fucking mind, Yuno is a rival for Asta he has a four-leaf clover grimoire he also has the wind spirit and all of his stats are better than Noelle's stats, so obviously Broku went balls deep in his own asshole to pull that victory out for Noelle because idfk where else she's gonna get it from 😒
Definitely don't agree with that bit.
@Animetard 101 noelle isn't the love interest. Sister lily is
I had a feeling Noelle would win, because imo her attacks have higher AP than Yuno’s
@Rojani Goodly stop being a HATER
Noelle isn’t stronger lol yuno is faster has mor magic and spells and all she has is a lance and one attack spell he an she can’t spam it unlike yuno he would keep attacking her and it would be a ko her defense isn’t stron enough. Yuno would mop the floor with her
Amina Ahmed Did you not watch the video? Noelle literally has more mana than Yuno, and she is much much faster than him, several tiers of speed faster, in fact. Also, spamming spells is objectively not a good fighting strategy. Have you not watched shonen fights before? Yuno would not be so stupid as to do that.
Angel Mendez-Rivera not true both are royal so they have most likely equal mana
Senay Araya fr Yuno is a prince
I still think that Gordon represents chemotherapy.
Very well done video. I am going to bet on Yuno. This is due to my belief that all the Elf power Yuno has experienced will be retained. This isn't a mindless belief but rather is due to my boy Luck Voltia. Luck remembered the power and there is no reason to believe that this should be a unique experience (a.k.a. I believe all Elf hosts got boosted) even if you want to argue that this isn't going to happen to anyone but the best of the Clover Kingdom, I would want to ask for first evidence of such a suggestion (as of now it is one person improved the rest unknown) and secondly even if true Yuno should from both logical and story reasoning be in the same camp.
Yuno is at minimum just as much a combat prodigy as Luck with Yuno actually possessing arguments that Yuno is more of prodigy. This is proven by the fact that in the Royal Knights tournament Yuno took on Rill and won the conditions of the clash compared to Luck with help did not win in those conditions against Rill. Yuno has had less experience in combat having been selected at the same as Asta into his squad. Thus Luck undeniably has more experience than either Yuno or Asta but yet they ultimately defeat Luck.
So how did Luck "remember" how powerful he was as an Elf? One can either argue that Luck remembered simply because he experienced the feel while the Elf was in control and thus everyone can replicate the power of the Elf (this is the argument I back) or one can say that Luck remembered through raw talent.
Once again either explanation gives Yuno the Elf boost as the first gives everyone the boost and the latter gives Yuno the boost as he not just is more prodigious than Luck but also legitimately felt the power (as Yuno was in control while Luck was not). As a bonus point Luck does not possess a 4 Leaf Clover, Yuno however does.
As for the story argument, it is simply a fact that Yuno and Asta are rivals and we can't have them be that if Yuno was casually overcome at this stage.
With all those arguments explained let's talk about the Nozel thing. As soon as Nozel is caught offguard the feat loses a lot of its credibility for what you want to use it for. If Nozel was off guard then what does that prove about the Elf she helped defeat. It doesn't prove anything other than Nozel off guard is capable of being wounded by that mage. So really all this proves is that Noelle could seriously wound her brother when he is off guard.
All the other arguments are solid for Noelle so good on that just wanted point out that issue. I am content with saying that she is on the low side of Mid Captain tier. This would be in comparison to just average captain level Yuno.
Anyway enjoyed the video. Keep up the good work.
Holy fuck you have a lot of time on your hands
WhitebeardFanboy all of the Elf souls left the knights bodies. Including the ones who had been turned back to normal
@@Comic.215 I know that hence the "remembering" I mentioned. Luck still possessed the power up after the soul was gone.
Luck didn't have the Elf soul in his body when he "remembered" so my point stands.
WhitebeardFanboy in Chapter 213? I’ll check
@@wens4049 it's the weekend most people have time
Rades was fast enough to dodge Jack the rippers attack does that place him on captain level speed😂
I guess he was suppressing his magic but I guess this isn't a serious comment
Broku can you make a Julius vs. The Witch Queen vid
Im intrested
Juluis would smack her... Half power yami would smack her suits too
I second that
@@wens4049 cap
@@wens4049 remember she can use high scale magic in seconds
Noelle is running away from fanna when keeping away with nozel. Yuno is dodging the attacks, and doing so effortlesly. Running and dodging ain't the same thing. And the nozel scaling is reatrded. Nozel got murked by compass chick but beat dark elf patri, does that mean compass chick > dark elf patri? I doubt that very much
Who's here after the 309 spoilers?
I disagree on the speed scaling because during the fight against the demon. Yuno was shown being ahead of Asta in speed and even telling Asta to keep up with him(chapter 211). He was also moving so fast at one point that the demon couldn't keep up with him. Asta's speed feat speaks for itself, so unless Noelle is somehow faster than Asta. That's the only way I can agree on the speed scaling.
As for magic power, I don't know if I would say Noelle is stronger because, at one point in the manga, Yuno easily took out a bunch of elves that many magic knights struggled to do in page 193.
The fight would be somewhat close, but I do not see Noelle winning it or comming super close to winning.
Karma that feat is irrelevant since that is ELF Yuno AMPED by the Wizard kings light magic. And... did you not see that Asta actually caught up to him and even moved faster? Asta is faster than Yuno.
@@Br0ku MAN
@@Br0ku First off, Asta only moved faster because Yuno was distracting the demon. If Asta truly was faster than on page 210 Yuno wouldn't have reacted faster than Asta.
Secondly, it doesn't matter because on page 209 Yuno was still moving as fast as Asta without being AMPED.
Thirdly, I thought the whole points of battle is by talking about each person at their strongest point. Afterall you used a picture of Noelle being amped.
Karma no. Yuno wasn’t distracting the devil he was racing towards him and Asta travelled a further distance in the same time.
Even if Yuno was equal in 209 that would mean that Asta got even faster. But it was basically a combo spell so not really adding much to the argument.
Tell me where Noelle got an amp? The whole point of the video as expressely states was current versions.
@@David-ki2pu Noelle never got amped by anything else, but herself. Her power ups souly came from her while yuno's power ups are just handed to like yuno's campaign is on easy mode 😁
Boi You already know who gonna win
Yuno wins 😊 but noelle is still strong so good for her
Yuno wins with high difficulty
Noelle wins until further notice
Nah
I completly disagree, Yuno would win with low dif easily. You brought the fight with the compass elf and forget mentioning that she was already injured and maybe even passed out for a couple seconds plus Nozel got only "one shoted" because he didnt pay attention and let his guard would that be up something like this would never happen. Second you brought that she alone fight the other elfes after she defeated compass elf and thats not true at all you forget to mention that zora practicly targeted the elves with his trap magic and enchanted both nozel and neolle to know where they are plus nozel gave noelle his magic to protect and distract the elves so that was easy plus like you said in the other videos they where no name elves so thats not even a great feat. No Fana was weaker when she was resurected, she only has her healing magic and no attack potency at all and that Noelle one shot her is not even an argument because first Noelle has the elemtal advantage second she didnt really pay attention. And no she didnt dogde Jacks attack he only missed her by a little bit and thats it. Third how the hell is noelle faster then yuno who did you get. She only dodged a couple of attacks from compass elf and defeated (she was injured) her then she against fana that has no attack potency and can only heal because the salamander was for the attacks. Fourht we didnt even see much of the fight against her, so why are you bringing her up here. Your arguments prove nothing except that you are high balling noelle by a large large margin and low balling yuno completly. Yuno has more mana thanks to bell, is faster (he was able to dodge with his two light based magic attacks that should way faster then light itself), has more attacks, spirit storm would pretty much counter sea dragons roar etc. This video was shit and you didnt even do your research right. Just scim through the chapters 174-210 and you can pretty much see what i wrote hear, you fucked up a great time here broku.
Calm your tits my guy. Think before commenting because holy crap this was bad. Kvin is confirmed to have gotten stronger. It is something that elves have shown to do and she even stated her spell was bigger and stronger, that was ever she was drowning. So youre wrong on that one. Did you not read the fight of Nozel vs Kvin? Nozel would have been clobbered by her either way. He couldn't attack her and his Mercury control was heavily affected. Good Strawman! Because I never said she defeated the golden dawn elves by herself I even mentioned in the video that she was aided. What she did do was BLITZ them all. That is a fact that through sheer speed she was way faster than all of them despite being low on mana. It is a good feat, it was four Golden Dawn elves AND Noelle was running low on mana. So it shows how consistent she is. Holy crap my guy... the elven form turned Marx into an actual threat so yes Elf Fana > WF Fana. Her speed scales well above since she could dodge Jack's attack, don't even try to say she didn't, she was moving and it hit her wing but it still showed she could react and dodge it enough. Elemental advantage isn't everything... otherwise Asta would never struggle in fights, Yami would have casually defeated Patry in the cave, etc. You can debate me on Discord but your retort was garbage. I didn't downplay Yuno or highball Noelle. She scales above Dark Elf Patry in speed who Yuno was having huge troubles against. Discord is linked if you want to debate in VC.
@Tyson 13 All of Yuno's notable feats are with elven mana, which he lost at the end of the arc. NEXT
@@Br0ku When did i wrote that the one who was possesed by comapss elf didnt got stronger i never stated. I never even mentioned her Compass field magic. Where did you get the part with Nozel. Nozel was "one shoted" after he didnt pay attention to the compass elf and let his guard when his guard was up he would practicly one shot her again because his attacks are way faster then dark elf patri.
So yeah good strawman argument on your side when you didnt even understand what i wrote. Yeah Blitzing elves that barely even moved and where distracted or maybe more cought by nozels magic in place where she could just fly up their and attack them and second noelle where they would go because zora basicly through his trap magic cowards revelation tlled both noelle and nozel where they would went ans third his trap where active on them so basicly doubled even noelles attack. That Marx turned to threat proves because we never saw if he can fight or had any attack spells to begin with so a no here. And no fana is weaker why and how in the hell should she stronger then her WF part first she doesnt any attack spell because that was salamanders job second even if she dogded jacks that doesnt mean shes above light speed so that can keep up proves nothing and third we didnt even see much of the fight so why are you including it. Yeah elemtal advantage is not all but she still has this advantage that neither dissaproves my statement. Just because Fana has more doesnt make her stronger then her WF part, she still doesnt have attack potency and when you dont get that then your stupid. Where the hell did that with asta come from. Astas swords divide, absorb or reflect magic so naturally he would get by large magic like Ray of Judgement if decides to divide it because his body doesnt have the anti magic advantage except in his anti mana/magic zone state. Sorry to write this to you but yami would won the first fight against Patri if he didnt needed to protect his members so yeah thats not argument to begin with and we practicly saw in the first fight too that yami was able to dodge light attacks so that wouldnt be much of problem. Sorry your high balling noelle too much and say she faster then noelle even tough you scale yuno without his elven power to the that was able to dodge attack from elven ryha and parti this attacks should be way faster then usual light attacks and he dodged with ease. So no with this yuno he would completly shit on noelle everyday and too add more to this he still use wind spirit creation magic basicly because it takes the mana from the atmosphere and not from the people itself. So in the fight with the devil he only collected the pure mana what the attacks left and created sword, yeah he can do this again but the sword probably wouldnt be that strong when used it against noelle. You did a horrible job on research put things in my mouth that i never stated and call this good strawman argument even tough you are making the strawman argument here go read the chapters 174-210 again.
@@jirenthegray5776 Yeah thats true but if you listened to the video you would know that broku scales yuno end of the elven arc to the yuno where he dodged the light attacks from patri and ryha. So think again.
@@tyson1348 Come into VC with me, Discord Link in the description
People don't forget that Noelle has one of the best stats in the data book: Growth. It's not Yuno's fault its just that the Valkyrie Dress is actually broken. It does to many things and all them exceptionally well. It doesn't hurt that base Noelle has incredible AP, and then add the fact that the Dress makes it even stronger. This is Noelle with low physical strength, magic control and sensing. Yuno has already achieved high stats in these. Noelle will continue to grow even more, let's try to imagine a Noelle with with 3 PS, 4 MC and 4 Cleverness. She would high Captain tier.
I always though Noelle will get the Water spirit, but when she got Valkyrie Dress I knew it was very unlikely, because she would be broken. Just imagine Noelle screaming "Valkyrie Dress Spirit Dive" 😂
It won't be as broken as you think, since she is supposed to surpass Julius
the only characters that will probably surpass julius are asta and yuno. People still don't realise that except for licht, lumiere and the devil there is no character in the series (and won't be for some time unless we get introduced to other kingdom's version of the wizard king) that can give julius more than a mid diff fight.
@@ioanturcu5795 Noelle will definitely surpass him by the end end of the series. Asta and Yuno might do it by the next 200 ch.
@@ioanturcu5795 people also don't realise that Julius is overrated, but whatever...
Ioan Turcu yami too fooooo
The comments are about to be in shambles
legitametly great job broku, i came in thinking this was a stomp easily, but now I have been edgucated!
Only a mad man as powerful as you would make this video
Yuno
all day everyday
All night every night.
Troy Oliver 😂
Troy Oliver nah noelle all day bruh
Agreed
Agreed noelle ain’t shit
@@aminaahmed9115 cap
Team Yuno here
Can I request a video on Elf Rill vs Elf Langris.
Btw loved the video ❤️
You gave great examples of movement speed for Noelle, but her best reaction time and dodging feat doesn’t go passed Kivin. Don’t get me wrong it is still amazing considering they were coming from all directions, but their speed doesn’t compare to two light mages at once. I also don’t see Noelle having an answer for Spirit’s Hushed Dance. Also we know Yuno can use his magic inside the defensive spells because he did it to Alecdora without Mana Zone.
Hey broku, can you do a redo of this video now with the new info we have in the manga?
Thanks 👍
I want Black clover to have a 1v1 tournment to decide who is worthy to get increased ranks. We could have fights like Yuno vs Noelle actually happen also Leo vs Luck would be epic with Leo maybe getting a power up mid fight
A1 IDIOT YA. Leo should get a power up it’s only natural. But the way it is rn he can’t handle Luck at all
Luck would win if he fights Leo
bEcaUsE tHey aRe BB
Finally its here
I like how even if two people have the same kind of mana
They don’t have the exact same spells so their development always seems fresh
#TeamYuno
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Good luck Broku !!
I think that line Nozel said while thinking of Noelle can interpreted that he needed her speed because it would be useful and that he couldn’t do it by himself, but the way you interpreted it seems to also be right
Great Video
Why do I feel like noelle would win for some reason
She does
Plot armor
Wow, Broku, again you're bringing up things I totally overlooked lol. What are your thoughts on the Queen of Witches vs Julius? He's OP no doubt, but I think the Queen would have effective tactics/counters against him, too.
I think point with Nozel is inaccurate. It was stated in his fight against Dark Patri that Compass magic was VERY bad match for Nozel since he relies on very precise mana control with his magic and Compass Magic was making him use only the most basic attacks while Noelle's dress was good was nullifying this effect and let her win. As Nozel said the affinity of magic is VERY important part of a fight.
great video
Something i wanna know about magic in BC is can you use ut at its scientifical level such as filling a room with water to drown someone or using fire to burn something or using murcury to poision someone
(Broku plz respond need answers 👌)
Mr.Voided what do you mean?
@@Br0ku can you use magic on a basic level fire magic to burn someone water magic to fill a cup with water etc.
Mr.Voided i mean yeha
@@Br0ku why arent theew any genius moves like tha i wonder. You could do some cool things with that so long as you can produce enough of your magic
Noelle filled the room with water in her fight vs the elf. Mareleona punched everything with fire and burnt it away vs Rhya, Julius reversed time in the whole kingdom so yeah it effects the surroundings not just the person they're fighting.
Ima just sit back on this one as soon as you form the first word of your opinion 5 toxic ass people attack you 😂 for having a different answer than them
Its more like he's trying proving it as fact and than opinion.
Whithout the wind spirit yuno is not more stronger than Noëlle dont forget that she has created her armor with her own magic
I'll bet on Yuno, well noel is strong but not strong enough to defeat YUNO and come-on YUNO is the MC's rival here.. Who can beat him up if not the MC or someone stronger than the MC ?
It will out of point if someone with 4 clover magic book and own an elf and even a childhood rivals defeated not by the MC and not even stronger than the MC ? I mean what the whole point of this anime then ? Isnt Asta want to become more stronger because of YUNO ? And if yuno defeated by someone who isnt even stronger than the mc how about Asta motivation this whole time? It is ridiculous
Oh thought you was gonna use the Yuno when he fought the devil but ok. I actually would place Yuno to win a 1v1 with Noelle due to her having to actually hit her attacks vs Yuno who can destroy it from the inside out or dodge it all together but i forgot that Noelle fought 3 other Elves after the elf that hurt Nozel.
Noella is strong as asta that's a change in anime if not stronger then asta ... I assume the stringest character in black clover at the end might be noelle ..
@Escanor231 12 i know i was being nice to Noelle .. if she is stronger then the main character ... Then there are gonna be some problems
What do you think about op 9
Gamer guy 3000 great opening
TheJaredPunch indeed
Can you do litch vs julius
Now say "Nozelle is slowing down to keep Noelle in the protection spell" three times fast
itarfer no. If that were the case she would just sit on the mercury.
Current Manga
Noelle is relative to Yuno or above him
Great video tho Broku
Luck stated that hes body remembered how the elf who used hes body moved and hence got stronger , so even without the elf boost yuno would still be way stronger than hes fight with rill infact the only loss would be the mana hed lose from the elf buff and lumieres buff. Hes sword should still have lumieres and lichts mana and i dont think taking that away from yuno is fair because yuno used hes power to absorb the mana in the air and make that sword he didnt get buffed from an outside source.
Maybe he could do that with noeles magic . Absorb noeles mana and put it in the sword to make an antiwater sword?
Sea dragons roar is not really a problem when yunos towering tornado was stated to be able to be casted WITHIN another spell hence destroying a spell from the inside out and thats exactly what yuno is gona do.
Noeeles defenses are useless because of mana zone.
Also lets not forget that yuno can use hes wind magic to speed himself up like he does with asta.And he obviously got faster than when he fought dark elf patri and like i set yuno should remeber how he used hes body even after he lost the elf buff wich means he should be just as fast as when he fought the devil but without the elf boost and light buff.
Theres not an inormus speed gap between the two but lets just say noelle is faster because am to bored to scale how fast is the yuno i mentioned.
Yuno would keep her at bay by using mana zone to spam alot of wind magic from diferent angles while keeping hes distance, noelle will focus all her energy to counter yunos atks hence why she cant close the gap between them because of the speels and the not so big speed gap.
Yuno would eventually infuse hes sword with noeeles mana and create an antiwater sword and break her spear with it. Even without yuno doing that hes sword can fight the devvil magic while her spear would get absorbed by that magic wich puts yunos sword above her spear.
The thing is travel speed is different from combat speed being able to move faster than nozel doesn't mean she has the same reaction time
Also what is your thought on about Nozel getting his own Version of Noelle's/Acier's Valkyrie Dress I mean out of the rest of the siblings I think it's possible plus make the most sense since Nozel not just loved his Mother but looks up to her that kind of why he wanted to become Captain of the Silver Eagles after his Mother was.
It would be cool to see different people with different mana use Valkyrie
Ex. Fire wind earth and crystal
Smartmalec
I don’t oils love to see a gunner style/support version for Mimosa
Viridian Dress
:D
It’s all about asspull tbh.If noelle comes close to beating yuno,yuno will win while getting a power up.So noelle will loose but it will be high def.If she has control over her power I can see it going either way if she has control.
#1 stalemate or #2 they both are badly damaged but charging there final attack.. then here’s comes asta to stop them.
At the end of the day these 2 are future captains
NOELLE IS DAD
Strange that you have Kivin above someone that is insanely fast like Nozel and slap on how he thinks how Noelle would help him greatly and say confidently how Noelle is faster than Nozel,even tho Nozel was clearly taken off guard by Kivin with one of the most broken magic in the series,so having Noelle being faster than someone like freaking dark elf Patri and Nozel. Would be quite a high ball for her speed,while Yuno’s speed is quite consistent and mana zone would boost his speed overtime really,so it can close the gap
Agree 100% with this assessment.
It would be a seemingly even brawl, the only issue I see is Yuno using the wind to disperse Noelle's Magic.
I like how Noelle can be so strong when going up against theses opponents
Scaling Nozel moving with everyone and his max speed when fighting dark elf is like scaling a school bus moving at sub max speed matching with a bike and then saying bike will match the bus at max speed too.
The only flaw in the speed argument.
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What happened to what ifs
Noelle got really OP but I still think Yuno would win in the long run. I still think the fight would last much longer than we all think.
Honestly I love both and I do think Noelle has a lot more mana but I feel like Yuno has the edge. Not by a wide margin but his superior speed/sense/and mana zone give him the advantage. Makes me sad tho cause I love both
Just cuz the compass mage countered sea dragons roar doesn't put her above vetto. Different magic works to counter other magic. Black clover isn't just a biggest blast wins story. Love your content but cmon
How Can I get into Broku's discord?
Jelin Similien should be linked
It said the link was invalid. I don't know why.
Jelin Similien discord.gg/tmqxm3
Try this one
@@Br0ku thanks, it worked.
See if Yuno never had the magic stone plus him never finding the Wind Spirit Noelle would beat him
Y r u taking things away from him that like taking astas swords a grimore
well Luck did state his body remembers how the elf used his body so if that's the case if yuno was in control but became fully reincarnated during his awakening against the word devil he still recieves the blessing of reincarnation power up full force as he stayed reincarnated longer then luck and gauche was reincarnated longer then luck too before asta got to them
No. Luck didn't keep all of the elf power. He just got a boost in mana control.
@@Br0ku i'm rereading the chapter now and it says what i just said, his body still remembers how the elf used his body he got even stronger but depends on what he meant by that and what site were both using. i'm using mangarock what are you using?
@@jacobclark9435 The official translation. He actually says "I can get even stronger". So if you add that with the other bits Luck just has greater mana control now. He is stronger than his pre elf self but still weaker than Lufulu.
@@Br0ku ahhh alright my bad then was a bit confused on that bit but thanks for the clear up
@@Br0ku hey broku.. i'm trying to join your discord server but it says invite invalid
Noelle with Valkyrie May be able to fight yuno without the tattoo
I agree with basically everything you say except speed that seems like a bit of a stretch. There's a big difference between attack speed and travel speed.
I said yuno cause there’s no evidence he lost his elf boost
There's no evidence he retained it either. Only Luck has been stated to have done so.
@@jirenthegray5776 luck didnt retain it.
Re read it he says he remembers how the mana was used. It doesnt mean he has the same mana
I have a quick question seeing that manga panel of Noelle vs Elf Fana I wonder will we see more people who can turn their body into an element cause only Elf Fana and the one faceless member of the Midnight that was with Heath trying to get that stone from that small village turn himself into water to escape Asta and others who can their butts...
coming back to this video a year later, i wanted Noelle to win because she’s my favorite character in the show so cool
16:08 how does that prove thats she faster than Nozel that’s a bad point .
If she can touch him it’s a one shot
@@DJStreamZzz nigga yuno isn't tanking a sea dragon roar no one in bc has ever what makes you think yuno can
@Mimosa - he can’t lmao, but she yes.
@ShotGun Pro74 nope
@ShotGun Pro74 LOL, Noelle >>>>>>> Finral.
And the light triad isn’t stronger to Mereoleona.
I absolutely agree with you❤️😌😉
noelle had as much or more mana than elven fana?? how did u deduce this bro now am confused ?
Y’all acting like Yuno won’t be the wizard king in the future
Gaurav Shrestha ok? We aren’t comparing their future versions. We are comparing their current versions
Probably because he won't. The main character will. He's destined to fail.
Honestly won't be surprised if Noelle becomes the Wizard Queen, while Asta and Yuno go on to do something else.
Didn't the elven mana buff the people who had the elves inside them? I remember luck saying his body learnes how to use mana better from when the elf was in him.
I like how you use facts, I agree with you
Let’s not forget that Yuno is assisted by the mighty spirit of wind and Noelle is using her own magic from her own grimore so if Noelle has the water spirit she’ll beat yuno with injuries
I want the manga to explore the idea of giving asta a full power that would be similar to assault mode where he seals all the anti magic as well as part of the demon inside his body for a short time making him completely immune to magic for a temporary time but coming at the cost of the fact that if asta isn’t carful he will lose his ability to re seal the demon inside the sword / grimoire
I would put Kivin above human Vetto, but not because of that feat. Kivin’s spell essentially makes long range spells useless which people don’t seem to understand. That’s why Kivin was able to no diff Nozel because that’s all he does (plus the elemental advantage of compass vs Mercury). If Vetto fought Kivin it would probably be because Vetto couldn’t dodge Kivin’s needles not her control over mana since it doesn’t effect close range spells.
there are many points u consider when you talk about nozel vs dark elf patri but there are many points you do not consider as well. nozel's spell speed, remember he had fought against pati before n had practised just a hint look at the speed at which he was able to create that cocoon like spell. to many factors really need to be considered thats why there will always be arguments. In any case i agree noelle is no push over n that she gets downplayed a lot.
I'm going to be completely honest, I'm well aware the Noelle is strong and I'm not trying to downplay nor underestimate her; however, when you pit her against someone like Yuno, there is no way she could defeat him so I completely disagree with this vs match-up. Yuno has WAY better control of his mana, plus more physical strength, has more reserves of magic, mastery of the wind spirit, and he along with Asta was able to go toe to toe against high tier characters like Patri, Licht, and the Devil. True, that Noelle has gotten stronger and she's getting better at controlling her magic but she still has a long way to go because remember she's cursed and once that curse is broken her magic will grow exponentially. Granted, she'll might get stronger in the future, perhaps she might add the water spirit to her repertoire and probably a spirit dive. Yes, her valkyrie dress, is fast, SO FAST, that the humans eyes cannot detect; however, it uses a lot of mana and she can't stay in that form for very long. I don't care what research or statistics you come up from your sleeves, Yuno wins!
Honest opinion real talk ,broku do you think that current black asta LOSES to noelle. If you dont than that means that asta is stronger than yuno in this point of the series.post elfarc. Are you sure noelle beats YUNO!
There's a difference between Asta who can nullify magic and Yuno who can't
They are equal in term of power, but in a fight Noelle win.
It is even a fight?
bro this is what happened. the elf beat nozel because nozel is a master at magic control so her magic was his natural enemy. On the other hand valkyrie dress compresses mana thus is difficult to disrupt thus making it possible for noelle to defeat her since she was mobile.
You can argue that OR that she was dodging the disturbances which Noze couldn't dodge. There is still other feats and statements that prove it.
@@Br0ku that prove that her speed is close to yami's?
Ok Yuno may be faster but what about Noelle's defensive magic and dragon spell that took off homeboys arm when no one else could even touch him?
Do you think Noelle and Mimosa will ever try physical training?
Who would win frieza vs black clover
Noelle is a little more battle tested than Yuno as well. Don't get me wrong, Yuno has been in some MAJOR fights but they only came in the war arc along side of the diamond kingdom invasion. Noelle has been battling since day one big enemies. So her battle experience in terms of tough opponents gives her the edge imo. Also, we do not know how much power Yuno truly lost due to him no longer having the magic stone too. I don't think he's heavily nerfed post war arc. I say out of 10 battles, Noelle will take it 6/10 just based upon her attack potency.
Didn’t Luck say in the manga when turning back normal he remembered how the Elf version used his power. Would that mean he retained it?
No, there's been a lot of misinterpretation from this. They don't keep the mana boost from the elves but rather a better understanding of how to use those powers.
But, Yuno only had that power in that sword because he absorbed the power of those around him with a dues ex machina, so I’m happy you didn’t include it given he absorbed the power of the weakened version of two of the strongest characters in the series