Gaijin's Ruined The Economy Again!
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Today I review the latest update for War Thunder which destroys air realistic bombing. It makes bombing with bombs and rockets absolutely pathetic for grinding. We must rise up against the snail for this!
#warthunder #economy #bombing #air #aviation #warthundergameplay
Why so many people bitch about bombers?
Just because they are ""easy"" to use doesn't mean they ruin gameplay. They're even the easiest thing to shoot down
Not everything needs to be a flashy, wimble and fast thing to do dogfights 24/7
I'd love to see those whiners fly against 1.59 - 1.67 bombers, where you actually had to aim for engines or cockpit, because bombers would just shrug off 20mils hitting fuselage or wing roots.
@@kireta21 yeah and lining up from behind would mean sure dead. good times.
Rocket pod spammers are cancer. They fly straight to the bases instead of climbing, then get immediately shot down instead of doing their job AS FIGHTERS.
perhaps they should do something to economy to make pvp worthwhile, because as of right now, i see no point in doing your job if doing your job gives you nothing back.
"as fighters", many are multirole aircraft so it is technically their "role". the issue is more the pvp grind is terrible which causes people not to engage with it which leads to players being shit.
@@domsboms9251 I got 5 kills in a Jaguar IS, 3 with Magic2's and 2 with the ADEN 30mm, I got 50k rp and 190k silver, How the fuck is it not worthwhile?
Because how often does that happen?
@@markomaster5429 I’d say once every 10 games do I get a good one like that, usually get 1-2 kills sometimes none, however 1 kill and a landing with game time will give you as good a reward as destroying one base, when going for a base you’re mostly undefended and can have a higher chance of dying, if you die and miss the base, you lose everything, the same way I might if I get missiled right as I’m dogfighting someone but that’s a bit of the experience you have to go through. Lastly, the air grind is still much easier than ground, and this is something my friend who’s only just started with Grb said, after having around 15-20 days of playtime in air rb
Gajin just hates bombers, at first they make baases take like 10 years to respawn and now they lower the rewards you get for a single base
Ima say this rn. This game is fucked.
No vehicle should take the average gamer over 2 hours to unlock. Lets say an average of 1 hour. 1 hour of play time and consistant rp should reward a player with a new tank regardless of rank. This alone means a average player will have 1000 hours play time just on vehicles alone. They can then make it so each upgrade takes around 30m-60minutes to unlock. Considering each tank has like 12 upgrades this gives each player approximately 12,000 hours of play time across all vehicles in game.
Then theres camos. Camos can also be grindable. Again per tank. No more hiding them behind a paywall. Each camo can again atleast for the main 3( summer, winter, desert) can all take an hour of gameplay to unlock. While the cooler ones can take way longer if wanted. Point is players will be rewarded for playing tanks over and over while unlocking new ones. You can leave the money option in so people can bypass certain stages but the fact is this the game is 100% not playable for people who have families and jobs. Sincerely someone whos had both since the console version has come out and is only top tier in one nation (japan) the grind is diabolically bad and needs to be severely fixed.
Japan has always been difficult to grind though? Also I have over 3 nations in top tier with a little under 2k hours, I think this is a skill issue xD
'No vehicle should take the average gamer over two hours to unlock'. Why? The purpose of increased RP gain over the length of a tech tree is to increase player play time and time spent in game. If Gaijin were to make things so easy, what's the point of playing if you can get everything you ever wanted in a month or two?
Camouflage is already grindable. In fact, I'm pretty sure Gaijin made it easier a few updates back where, for example, instead of getting 750 kills for a skin, you get points depending on the mode. 4 points for AB, 5 points for RB, and 7 points for SB, until you accumulate 750 points in total.
'Point is players will be rewarded for playing tanks over and over while unlocking new ones'. That's already how the game works, my man. You can play in the same tank to grind out that entire rank and the rank above/below it. Unless you mean something else, in which case you need to explain.
Calling the game 100% unplayable is an exaggerated generalization that surprisingly a lot of people fall into. It is still playable, and whether or not you enjoy the game is solely up to you. Yeah sure, getting nuked across the map by a downtiered APFSDS tank with a laser rangefinder sucks ass, but that doesn't happen *every singly game*. Also, the whole point of golden eagles isn't to complete the game (which you can do, but it's an absolute waste of money), it's to progress *faster*, so the idea you suggested is already present.
Like you, I'm a busy man. I don't have much time on the weekends to sit down and play, much less during the weekdays. However, whenever I *do* play, it's always with vehicles I want, not just solely to grind to top tier. Besides, why grind to top tier anyway? is it supposed to be a demonstration of your skill? Or your ability to derive such an achievement from your slivers of time? I don't understand why people hate on this game so much when there isn't even an actual 'final objective'. Forcing yourself into one is what caused all this conflict throughout War Thunder's 11 year history.
@@L3GIT349 I agree with you, though the grind is long, i have happily reached top rank on 3 different nations, Im not trying to "catch them all" im just trying to play nations i want to play (Britain, Japan and Germany) and just under 2000hrs of gametime on PC with maybe 1000~ ish on console i've happily enjoyed it, sure sometimes bs happens in the game but i work 6 days a week, the one day i have free i spend doing everything ive missed over those 6 days, War thunder isnt my top priority anymore however i wont let people shit on it for gaijin attempting to fix issues, these arent nerfs, they were irregularities. Why would using 277 Snebs on a F4 Phantom give a higher reward than bombs? Oh right, an irregularity. People just want to abuse it to have an easier time
im a bomber main and this is just..duckin stupid
I got 12 kills with the Surbaisse but I only got 10K RPP!!!!! for my 6.7 french m26. Absolute bonkers, the snail doesn't even put any effort in their events now lol. Also, BRING BACK THE OLD HANGAR MUSIC!
ground rewards are actually soft capped so once you go after lets say 5k rp it massively nerfes rewards
I think the best solution would be to keep the damage Gaijin is implementing but increase rewards for bases heavily, or reduce the rewards, decrease the health and increase the number of bases to also deal with stealing bases. Whatever it is, I think WT needs a serious overhaul of the Air RB situation for bombing as a whole. From 4.7 with the B17, a Corsair, P-47, P-51 or other fighters can beat the B17 to a base every time, making the bombers useless pinatas for free RP.
Good thing I started my War Thunder break, so I don't see a lot of the shit. The break will last until around September.
For all the people praising these changes need to realize that they basically made it more tedious to go stock to spaded for top-tier jets. Most people still bomb for more research in a match. The addition of fox3s made it even worse to consistently get kills while stock.
I agree that if people want to play this game they must learn how to dogfight. However, if the sail keeps removing or nerfing efficient methods for RP then no new or average player has the incentive to go through or finish a single tech tree. They will just look at the RP cost of a vehicle, then the amount they earn in a match and not invest in the game any further.
If the snail wants to nerf the RP from bases, then increase the base RP gain for one kill. Or demand the snail to add a different mode that is pure PvP with no bases or NPCs.
Bases were never more efficient than Kills and awards, Bases were just easier. I bomb and PVP in a game, unlike most i dont suicide to make sure i get the base if i see enemies i either run and use my brain to survive or drop bombs and dogfight. Im glad they added these changes as it will hopefully stop brainless teammates losing matches by dying early on. The whole team gets more RP and Silver for a victory then a loss.
Felt the base bombing nerfs to day with a bomber that would normally get me 500-600 a base and it was like 300😢
Wdym with this. Sry I don’t understand it 🫣
I personally care not about Air RB or the fighters in it. As For air sim there is always a work around! However the people this nerf screwed over completely with no answer on how to make it up, is Helicopter's. Airplane dudes have every mode to fly in and gain RP from, but there is only so many places to fly a helicopter and gain RP to spade one, little on get the next one. 7:24, I have said that for a long time now that Gaijin should just remove every Strike Aircraft and Bomber from the game and just call it what it is, Air Dogfighting battles! I truly believe they hate anything that doesnt fly in circles and that is why the damage models suck, the crew gunners are trash and the only mode they are half ass useful in is Sim EC and that hasnt been updated in the 3 years I have been playing.
Its pretty clear now they want strike aircraft and bombers to spend months in PVE mode rather than make them viable in GRB or ARB. Strike aircraft cannot compete in air RB, they are just a detriment to their team if anything, nobody is having fun with them there, playing them or playing against them or playing with them. And in Ground RB strike aircraft and bombers start with useless loadouts and they just get bodied by SPAA because they dont have any weapons they can grind with, and even if they do, the rewards for killing tanks as a plane is so little that you might as well just play PVE. There just is no good way to grind strike aircraft and bombers now, and beyond that they are only "viable" in ground RB because thats now the ONLY gamemode where they have any purpose, they obviously dont want those planes in airRB so why even have AI ground targets at all? Air RB is just fighter TDM, nothing else matters and nothing else is viable, riveting gaijin, riveting.
SGB is the answer
Planes usually have a big silver lions multiplier in SGB, its 6x i guess?
@@de.jotabr Yeah but SGB isnt that fun, camping simulator and FF simulator, bushes in optics and off set guns, yeah tanks are not fun at all in sim, meanwhile only the modern strike aircraft can be picked up and played without a joystick due to fly by wire and dampening, the WW2 stuff requires trim compensation and thats not only a pain in the ass but not very fun.
They either need a new mode, or they need to figure out how to make these vehicles viable in one of the other modes we have now. Sim isnt going to cut it for being the only viable mode.
@@illegalaryan823 Wait, there is trimming in this game? I always compensated with my mouse
@@de.jotabr Yeah but its a manual by percentage thing. You can set the trim in testing range and save the trim state and then launch in game and press a button to have it go to that trim state but that is tedious and it means that you cant just pick up any aircraft and go you need to know exactly what you are doing with it.
@@illegalaryan823 I tried using it and it just saves the position my mouse is in, and makes it the deadzone. I think its better if i set a trim during the battles, since i just need to press a button.
finally, forcing base bombers to play the video game :pray:
What can they play if it's not bombing bases 🤨 there fragile get 1 tapped by a 13mm is crazy. Bombers I'm WW2 came back to the air field with most of there air craft gone and could still fly .
Let me just quickly dogfight jet fighters in my Tu 4 yeah sure
@@Nokknokkopenup yeah do that 👍
it's way more engaging and fun, gunshipping is awesome
Sure sure. 😊@@uisce_
@@uisce_ gunshipping against jets. Sure.
Gajin wants to make the game as bad as possible to get people to buy premium and premium vehicles to get more rewards without a up roar and they found how low they can go so now they are just going right above that line
oh no! there will be fewer useless bombers on the team!!! 😭😭😭😭
Ju 288 not ruining 6.0 germany?!
So all rewards have been reduced even for normal bombs?
All rewards for destroying a base with any weapons have been reduced.
@@markomaster5429 bruh.
maybe just play a fighter and not mindlessly bomb bases in airRB?
honestly thats such a stupid point to make. im not researching a tech tree just to use half of the planes. gaijin should get up and finally change bomber gameplay to be more interesting instead of the 4 bases each game that dont decide anything
@@l.h.9747 i agree they should made bomber gameplay more interesting, but as it currently stands, it would give way to much RP for doing literally nothing but click 2 buttons over a base, while also taking useful team slot and filling them with mindless bombers. for example 5.7-6.7 air RB you either have an entire team of Ju-288 bombers and lose the game or if you on the other team you have to chase bomber all game! NO ONE finds that fun, its ruins the game for everyone. The bomber problem goes WAY further than just certain BRs, US high tier teams around 12.0 are completely full F-4S players taking rockets and doing absolutely nothing but bombing bases causing the people flying to play fighters at that BR left alone with no useful team mates, that seem like good, fair gameplay to you? I do NOT think so, so please think before spitting your bs at me.
Agreed
i feel like this man is trying to insight riots i get it but can we just for comedic reasons look how stupid this is (for reference i play ground but when i play air i bomb) i under stand it and im ok with it but like i feels like we are going to start a war for this and its just so stupid no offence to marko but i cant help but laugh. just to make sure no get on my ass for it im laughing at the situation not marko. hope u get to 300 subs have a great day.
Agreed
Cry me a fuking river, getting rid of the rocket-bombing spammers is a based move from Gaijin
i gonna stop play war thunder around 2 month who with me!
I have never understod gaijins way of thinking makeing it eaven harder to progress what purpose are they doing it for? is it to get more people to buy premium? i dont see the point becausse grinding with premium acount is still a pain and using free RP with GE is just ridiculous. Why do the RP and Silver lion grind have to be so hard?
lol I played some arcade last night and had no issues bombing with the mosquito, realistic is dog aids
sounds like skill issue
@@El-negero One life is boring AF
@@isaacnorton6251 just dont get shot down and if you are mad at lack of fights in one match try to get attention span longer than 5 year old
@@El-negero Nah I work a good hard job I don't need to spend a 20 minute match flying around trying to keep my engine from exploding only to get 2-5 kills when I can go balls to the wall in arcade and have a great time punching landing flaps at 350 MPH and pulling a 17G turn in a spitfire, I'm sorry you hate yourself and don't let yourself enjoy relaxing.
@@isaacnorton6251getting a kill in arb is more rewarding for me and I enjoy flying for a bit so I can talk with my friends and then focus on playing. And the rewards are better. That’s why I don’t play arcade. But everyone should play what they like 🙂😊
how bout trying to fight other players for a change
Honestly xD
I try but there’s only so much you can do with a controller compared to a mouse and keyboard
Yes, let me go fight others in my B-17 BOMBER, great idea mate, this doesn't just affect top tier.
@@markomaster5429 everyting up until 5.0-6.0 is pritty grindable i dont see the problem and most of these changes dont inflict on medium/heavy bombers
@@luco4491 these changes affect all bombing rewards so it affects all bombers
Maybe stop bombing to get rp and get good at the game and get kills, while not being fucking useless to the team
fuck team tho lmao
Yeah...Because in every major conflict strategic bombing campaigns were the largest reason for victory....... How about you stop being a smoothbrain and hating on the players who are doing right by the game that has screwed over our class over multiple times.
are you actually dumb.? or are you a lvl 20 with 7 premiums up his ass thinking hes good? stock planes have it WORST at top tier... every one around you have all the upgrades they need while your stock ass is chopping the trees while using flares against radar missles just because "dog fighting is better than bombing bases" mf youve got to be a very special person in the brain department to think that.. not all people like to fight and get kills, ESPECIALLY IN STOCK AIRCRAFTS, but thats not the point. there are planes in the game that are uncappable of dogfighting or fighting in general, so bombing is the only way to progress through the tech tree, NERFING the damage of weapons used for base bombing is INSANELY bad for a BIG part of the war thunder community, let alone the fact that there are only 4 bases when theres 10 people bombing at the br of lets say like 10.0-11.0, the decrease of the damage done makes it so you dont even get that much from trying to do the only thing you can do, dogfighting in vehicles that are unable to perform on par with other aircraft is out of the question, dogfighting at ANY br is out of the question cause you always get thrid partied, or even worse - the fight turns into a 32 aircraft furball with fuck all happening around you at all times just for you to get slapped by a teammate launching missles at every moving object... so no getting good at the game wouldnt fix this shit hole of a problem mate. making the game less diverse for people that want to play it diffrently is also not a way to fix the problem.. check yourself before posting random shit..
Hey if you hate bombers so much and if gaijin screws bombers so much wahats the fucking point in having them in game.
Irl b17's would often return to base shot to shit. In warthunder a b17 remotely gets straffed by a bf109 or anything and immediately loses its elevators half a wing, rudder, and more. Like they just pop off cleanly. Meanwhile those same fighter eat 50's straight to the engine
People like you are like the equivalent crying tryhards like Kenji's or wraiths in overwatch or apex legends but in warthunder.
ruined?
Good Changes
This kid is just squeeking for nothing, AirRB Reward is fine, I got 105K RP with EJKAI+talisman two days ago
you mean before the update was released
Nerffed air rb you mean rocketing bases go dogfight its more fun you get more rewards more bases fuck no i dont want half of my team basebombing. Ive used rockets in grb they are so fun. Get good go dogfight
First learn english. Second. Bombers are designed to bomb bases. And as they are modeled in game right now literally 99% of players wouldnt touch bombers even if they made grinding easier because they die super easily.
Thirdly you say yo get good at dog fighting only then to screech about using rockets on planes in ground RB.........against tanks.......that cant fight back.
@@johnblackrose this mostly effects rockets idk sbout you but a b17 doesnt carry ffars . He menstoned noone uses them because they are bad a fully sneb loaded f4u7 is nasty in grb if you get aircover even at 7.7
@@Sturmi320 which im fully aware of. But bombers in general are shafted. So making the viable bombs/rockets absolute ass just plays into gaijin not liking people not raging over dogfighting.
Ill be the first to admit i suck at dog fighting. So ive always played ground attackers and bombers. As attacking ground targets is a viable way to drop enemies tickets. But now if those same bombs and rockets are going to do less damage overall then whats the point.
The update changelog specifically mentions both rockets and bombs if im not mistaken.
@@johnblackrose bombers should get good rewards but for fighters they should get less hslf or so could work. You arent going to get better at dogfighting if you dont do it i sucked i now suck at dogfighting jets but having half of your team going bombing in f4s is just annoying because how fast games end
@KauppaKomissaari all bombing rewards were needed meaning regardless which method you use to destroy a base you get less rewards now.
skill issue ahh video