ALIEN: DBD's Biggest Ever License | Dead by Daylight Lore Deep Dive
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Hey, will you be doing a video talking about the pros and cons of adding Slenderman to DBD? It would be cool to see your breakdown of the character and what his abilities could be.
I think the Alien chapter is going for an adaptation of the franchise of the whole series. I can’t agree that it’s an adaptation of mostly on Aliens.
We still got the idea of home being violated. The Xenomorph tunnels are all over our familiar maps. Also Face Huggers can’t be used in any balanced way unless you make them unfaithful to the source material. Not even the technology from Alien was advanced enough to safely remove the face hugger. Also I like the DBD original spin off the map. The ship crashed landed and were on an Alien planet. It makes for a cool continuation of the first film.
@@BasementDweller_ I think you the face huggers could be adapted if they were treated like reverse bear traps / pyramid head’s torment; make it so survivors have to treat themselves to prevent the chestburster from putting them in the dying state and if the survivor has a chest burster in them on death hook then we get a cool animation of them being chest bursted instead of morid
Yeah I can’t agree on that either. There’s more of a vibe here reminiscent of Alien and Alien Isolation, with Alien Isolation already supposed to be a big homage to Alien.
It takes the best of both the first and second films,which other than AVP are the only ones worth taking from
i couldnt disagree more with pixelbush here. This ENTIRE CHAPTER catches the feeling that made the xenomorph so scary. Its a perfect predator. It doesnt run at you waiting for you to shoot it down, It isnt obeying anything other than PRIMAL INSTINCTS OF HUNTING. Its 8 feet tall. Its impossibly smart. It can and Will maul you apart. You cant hurt it or youll burn up. It hunts using the NOSTROMO'S SPECIFIC ENVIROMENTS (Which i find to be the chapter's coolest detail, This character plays SPECIFICALLY like the alien of ALIEN and ALIEN ISOLATION). And you cant Hide, Anywhere you go theres gonna be a tunnel on close proximity and not only can it know exactly your location with footsteps, But it may crawl out of one of them and ambush you at ANY. GIVEN. TIME. THE KILLER IS LITERALLY THE XENOMORPH FROM THE FIRST MOVIE ACCORDING TO LORE TOO. Everything from basic cosmetic bios to the art they published for the xenomorph on the official channel to the actual trailer. EEEEVERYTHING ABOUT THIS CHAPTER GETS THE FEAR OF THE ALIEN RIGHT. I think that the description of the xenomorph's body cosmetic shows this the best. "It moved quickly and silently through the ship.", This is it. Youre the nostromo's Crew. Youre the one being hunted in an enviroment that this being has lived all of its life on. That has hunted on. The Entity has done all it possibly can to make sure no matter where you are, The alien has home field advantage. This chapter is a THOUSAND TIMES more alien isolation than it is ALIENS, Let alone how much more Alien it is than ALIENS. i love it So much man.
3:00 i personally prefer that the xenomorph is the one from the first film not just because its iconic and creates a conexion with the film and with ripley, also because this leaves an open window for maybe a tome where the xenomorph has a skin of the way it might look if was born in the entity realms making a new lore and desing for that concrete species.
Ya why have one when you can have both threw a simple skin description.
this part doesn't sit right with me since the alien we see in dbd clearly is not the same one as the first film, despite it being implied in the lore
@@maw8533 what do you mean? the look is there
There's also the fact that the Alien in DbD is a drone, while the ones in Aliens were Warriors. Different physical makeup
Something I thought about the chapter was how to incorporate the facehuggers. I think it would be perfect if when you were hooked it would use the facehuggers.
(Hooks would be replaced with the nests where the Xenomorph kept the humans waiting to get impregnated from the Facehuggers)
Hook Stage 1: The Ovonorph egg starts opening revealing a Facehugger about to come out of it.
Hook Stage 2: The Facehugger latches itself on the survivor and the survivor tries to get it off. Missibg a skill check will make the Facehugger tighten its grip just like in the first movie. Ehen unhooked the Facehugger would die.
Hook Stage 3: A Chestburster burts out of the survivors chest and then the Entity takes the survivor.
I feel this would incorporate the Facehuggers in a meaningful and faithful way, while not making them OP or unfaithful being apart of the power.
This just feels cosmetic thus being in the grand scheme meaningless and a bunch of work that doesn’t need to be done.
Ya I don’t think this is it I just think as important as they are they don’t belong in dbd at all.
Expect maybe as a skin or part of a skin idk. 🤷🏻♂️
Facehuggers would never work as a part of the power. Survivors walking around with a Facehugger attached to them would be goofy as hell, and you can't have Survivors incapacitated for an extended period of time.
Only way I could see Facehuggers being implemented is as an alternate hook mechanic, like Pyramid Heads cages.
Stage 1: you're stuck in a cocoon with an egg slowly opening in front of you. The egg hatches and a facehugger flies at you when you go to...
Stage 2: you're struggling to hold the facehugger away from your face, until it eventually latches on and...
Stage 3: a chest burster errupts from your ribcage and you die.
either that or it'd be another pig/sadako mixed with trapper with stuff you have to do to remove the face huggers with would be very disingenuous to how lethal they are and how they are impossible to remove so there's really no good way for you to implement them since a face hugger latching on to you would just mean the survivor lying on the ground for a while getting up for a minute or two and dying right after to really be accurate the alternative hook would be the only way I'd feel with it maybe working it also would just look like the xenomorphs victory screen in mortal kombat x
I wouldn’t be mad if they made the facehuggers purely a cosmetic reskin of the base hook mechanic even if it offered no real benefit. It would just be aesthetically fitting and I’d be fine with that.
I'm so glad that we didn't get facehuggers as a xeno power; having a drone lay eggs would be wierd and Im glad that the Nostromo Alien has their own unique power, I think the idea of them crawling through tunnels underground similar to how they did in the vents of the first movie feels in line with it's character.
I think your complaints are, to an extent, uncharitable? I don't think there's any reasonable way a Dead By Daylight killer can accurately replicate the themes of maternal body horror in Alien. It's a hard bar to clear for a singleplayer linear horror game, let alone a multiplayer PvP game sometimes starring Nicholas Cage.
As someone who shares your love for the original film, I'm not really angry Aliens has diluted the ALIEN feel of this chapter. _(which, tbh, is mostly to do with the colour scheme)_ Like it or not, the tone established in Aliens comprises the _overwhelming_ majority of the IP. That being reflected in this chapter is IMO completely fine. This isn't an really an ALIEN chapter, it's just Alien. Much like how the Silent Hill chapter represented Silent Hill 1-3, instead of just being about Silent Hill 2.
And while I always imagined Xeno using Facehuggers as part of the power, part of me is glad they just didn't do it. Unique death conditions for Killers have often proved very messy in implementation, and Xeno already has enough going on without facehuggers, even if it could've been nice as a Mori animation.
Remaining critical is valuable, but I think your critique is more a problem _with the Alien IP_ and not with Dead By Daylight. The magic of the first Alien wasn't perfectly translated into any other piece of Alien media, and I don't think the burden should fall on DbD to be what resurrects it.
I do wish facehuggers had made it in somewhere. Like you said they're a staple of the franchise, I guess the Xenomorph just has so much going on BHVR couldn't find a way to fit it all in without the Xenomorph becoming overcomplicated and/or overpowered
My biggest gripes with the chapter are the runner mode and the flame turrets. The Xenomorph looks so scary and intimidating when he's walking on 2 legs, but unfortunately this mode is useless since you have no power and so you won't be in that mode for very long. Also the flame turrets are unnecessary and make the killer look weak.
An easy way to fix this imo is to give the m2 ability to the Xenomorph while he's bipedal, but it has to charge its tail strike(remove runner mode) and just get rid of turrets. He can still have the tunnels for traversal and tracking. This would buff him but I don't think it would make him unfair plus he would be a lot scarier and menacing.
Nemesis showing up when u say tunnel is hilarious 😭
7:55 the gun amendment is the second but I love the idea of going up to a xenomorph and just shouting “freedom of speech, religion and assembly” until I leave…
I feel like the nostromo map is the opposite of rpd.
Rpd they remade the location incredibly well at the cost of gameplay and the nostromo was made good for gameplay at the cost of feeling like the nostromo.
Also as a side note its still possible that we get a xeno that was made in the realm since their's technically a xeno queen also in the realm along with atleast one face hugger on the map
I personally think the exclusion of facehungers was purposeful and the right call as although they're iconic and represent the series horror aspect like you said, it's sorta hard to mske them 'fun'. As if survivors get one on them, it's pretty much just instant death and you cant do anything about it. That's not really fun to go against, especially for something like soloqueue. Theming is only as good as the gameplay it setdresses for.
Imagine an intact Nostromo, handful of small rooms and a bunch of straight corridors. It would be the great walls of Haddonfield all over again
I don't really understand why he complains that a nostromo map would be bad for being claustrophobic but then also complains that this adapted nostromo made better for gameplay is bad for not being claustrophobic
Personally, as long as it’s not adapting the continuity of Alien 3 I’m pretty much fine with it. Not to say your opinions weren’t valid. Actually, my only gripe is that Ripley doesn’t have her relationship with Newt in this timeline.
I see it more as a similar case to Silent Hill's chapter, which uses a map from the first game, a killer from the second one, and a survivor from the third game, making it more of a chapter involving the whole series instead of just a single entry
While the chapter overall has a lot of tonal dissonances with the first movie, i genuinely think that making it cover the overall tone of the series is a better decision, specially when trying to see licensed dlc's as homages of an specific horror franchise as a whole.
I definitely have to agree they didn't thematically match the original movie or the vibe of the Nostramo but I still think this was a W that to me represents the series as a whole really well. Also with the Alien Queen and Grid skins they definitely wanted to pay homage to Aliens and even AVP
I'm missing the facehuggers too so this is even more incentive for allowing killer powers to be changed -> Twins legendary with facehugger Victor
Idk man I think having a thinly veiled allegory for SA in dead by daylight might cause more discomfort than thematic immersion 😅 love your vid as always anyways
So, from your perspective, how could they have implemented facehuggers in the scenario they started with? The Entity only took Ripley and the one Xenomorph- There were no ovomorphs on the ship. I choose to stick with the more pure and earlier Xeno lore in that only a mature queen can lay or birth ovomorphs. I know the Juggernaut can be seen in the distance, but it seems to be just an illusory trick the Entity likes to do outside of the trials' walls.
So why haven’t you gone through Ash’s lore yet in DBD? I think it’d make a perfect video
Why: because my script for it is over an hour long and it's a massive undertaking I need to spend time on
@@PixelBush Ohhh that makes a ton of sense, I always wondered that too but if ever you make that video tho I’ll definitely be there to watch :)
You're valid in your feelings but this is giving me "well acktually the creatures aren't xenomorphs in the films" vibes. I am a huge ridley Scott simp and yes I'm disappointed in some of the things that bhvr did for this chapter, but I mostly feel overhelmingly excited and pumped for it. I'm dropping my p74 nea on her head and maining Ripley I feel like they did such a good job with the map, the easter eggs, the power. I hate that yoy don't like it but that's okay. I see your points.
I agree the Lack of FaceHuggers as the power was a let down. 😢
Also as a Wraith Main, I was hoping the Xeno would be a Stealthy hit and Run Killer and not a cross of Demo Doggy and Nemi.
Talking of Nemi...... I think you made a mistake .... his Image kept showing up instead of Wesker's everytime you said Tunnel.
8:02 wrong amendment if you are referring to America's its the second amendment but if it's somewhere else my bad.
Gotta say I’m a bit disappointed by this video, I really don’t get why you have to be so negative all the time not just about this chapter. You say it’s a good adaptation of Aliens, but a bad adaptation of Alien, so the adaptation overall fails, but that seems so defeatist to me. Like you wanted your cake and eat it too, you got a good adaptation of the alien series but because it didn’t 100% match up with your expectations it’s another fail in your book that “isn’t for you”. You end the video saying that if you get Predator then you would consider it a win, but you said the same thing about Alien, so what if they don’t live up to your ever increasing expectations there as well.
Just a disappointing video overall man, makes me really sad that this seems to be the way your content has evolved into. Because this is really just every video now. It’s genuinely hard to continue to watch videos from a man who clearly doesn’t like the games talking about anymore. You don’t like the lore anymore, you don’t like the killers they’re producing, and even when you get your dream license you’re disappointed. What do you honestly want
yeah this video just seems so unesscessary and doesn't really need to exist its just one person's niche and overly critical opinion of great success for dbd, alot of dbd players play their game too much tbh and when you indulge yourself in one thing for too long the small flaws get way bigger than they really are in your mind
was that loss at 9:38
You're selling it short by saying it's based on the second movie. It's based on the quadrilogy, sure the Alien is from the first movie (it's obsessed with Ripley after all), but the gameplay is designed with all 4 movies in mind.
I fully disagree with you about the eggs, i was worried they would force the face huggers into the chapter. I do agree about the map though, but I wish we'd just gotten the full ship as an indoor map.
The face huggers are terrifying, for sure, but it's not a queen. THERE IS ONLY ONE FACE HUGGER IN THE FIRST MOVIE!!! Add to that what the effect should be, it's just another condemn effect. A chestburster is obviously a mori, so they would have to figure out how to balance the character with STUNNING TRAPS and A CONDEMN MORI, just by including face huggers. I honestly have NO IDEA how they could have included the face hugger.
As an adaption of an Alien drone, in isolation, it's perfect. It's not a queen, it's a warrior. Just that distinction is enough justification to NOT include facehuggers. It's the Alien's personal powers, not the races or hives.
They even included the ONLY face hugger in the first movie as an Easter egg, even though it should be dead by the time the android is beheaded.
The Nostromo not being an indoor map is such a huge lost opportunity. It's a ship ffs, it's perfect for a Gideon style indoor map. The fact that they crashed the ship after it exploded is annoying, lore wise it would have been way cooler if the entity grabbed the whole ship right before Ripley escaped in the shuttle.
Good video, I get where you're coming from. I just think your take on the face hugger is too short sighted, it ignores the how and the why of implementation. I do agree with you about the map though, it's like they tried to combine the nostromo and the crash sight from the prison planet and i'm not a fan
I don't disagree with you, but with how long I've played the game now I've started to value lore a little less and gameplay more, and even though I much prefer alien to aliens, this is probably the best case scenario gameplay wise when bringing in a xenomorph powerset.
I respect your opinion, but I do sort of have 2 counterpoints for some of the elements you have addressed:
1: I just realised that the flame turrets are actually a combination of the movement detector and the flame thrower used in the first movie.
2: The tunnels, although heavily compromised to accommodate every map, does still visually retain the elements of the cocoon scene.
However, some things like the lack of violation and the inaccurate (yet personally still awesome) map, I completely agree on. I feel fairly 50/50 on this excellent chapter's accuracy of the first movie.
10 days late to the party, but I still appreciate your honest opinion. Thank you.
The constant tunneling Nemesis made me laugh way too hard
As much as I would love to see face huggers and chestbursters it still to me makes no sense for the xenomorph to even have those considering that in the Lore xenomorph drones cannot control them BUT I understand where you're coming from I do agree there is something missing but I do not believe it's that instead I promote making her a stealth killer, when she goes into runner mode make her go into undetectable and let the motion sensors on the flame turrets do the work, I love pixel and pixel has been one of if not my favorite dbd RUclipsrs but this take isnt my favorite, I don't think this is a bad/disappointing adaptation of either alien or aliens I believe this is a very very solid middle ground between the two to appease both fans now im glad that throughout the video i didn't hear "DeMo 2.0🤓" or "iTs JuSt LiKe NeMiSiS🤓" bc even tho I feel that the xenomorph feels similar to those 2 this is a completely different killer and I am beyond excited for this chapter and this has been my most anticipated license since hellraiser!
He never made the ripely vid😢
I was here that time ago only when we could wish for alien to be in the game
My too but not as long as you.
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It wasn't programmed
your take around 4:00 is just dumb dude... this is something more reserved for a skin.
nvm this entire video is. you have such a weird anger towards them not being exact to alien 1 with the map but you contradict yourself 5 times in the video. aside from that fact that you think you cant combine elements from both film is stupid
@@viper_vfr I feel like you're really jumping to conclusions. He isn't saying they have to be exact to alien 1, nor is he saying that combining elements from across the franchise is unequivocably wrong. His point, as far as I understood it, is that Alien and Aliens occupy different niches, so mixing elements from the two is perfectly viable, but it somewhat weakens the horror aspect you'd expect from an "ALIEN" chapter. Is it really so stupid to say that adding elements from a less scary movie... makes it less scary? Also, when does he contradict himself?
I am a little upset that facehuggers didn’t get a bigger role in the chapter. But at the same time, the last thing the DBD community needs is the ability to say “Fuck yea, Nick Cage is pregnant.”
Thanks for showing us the worse timeline and giving us psychic damage, you magnificent jackass.
You forgot about the part where the alien humps him afterwards and then someone gets to say “That’s not how you make twins.”
And the part where someone makes a trans joke.
Maybe that’s why they didn’t let us have it kmao maybe he said he wouldn’t be in the game if they gave alien the ability to imprégnante him, that’s the one term he had, can you imagine? Lmao I wish we had them tho
@@bambinosbalaclavaI mean I imagine it would work as the pig. But idk
I will never get over Nemesis and his chase blasting every time you say tunnel, please never stop 😂
He was designed to hunt down and exterminate in the most brutal and efficient way possible so it’s really just in character to tunnel as him.
@@DownTrodded but was he programmed to harm the crew?
@@holypeanutt he WAS indeed PROGRAMMED TO HARM THE CREW
@@holypeanutt He wasn't programmed to harm the S.T.A.R.S....
I think it hits more than it misses to be honest. It hits with what alot of people think of when you say alien
Well said. I get what Pixel is saying…
Its a fantastic chapter and does loads of things awesome. He’s just pointing out minor details that add up, which could have made a great chapter perfect. But we as a fanbase dont expect perfect, great is enough as we can see they put the effort in. Just like wesker when he came out. A phenomenal chapter, but had bugs riddled throughout. However the fanbase where patient while they fixed them, because we still appreciated the great things they had managed to do, and the effort and dare they put into making it.
All of the things he wanted wouldve made the chapter terrible to play honestly. Like he can enjoy what he enjoys, but his opinions are heavily in the minority. If we got his alien killer it likely wouldve been as terrible to play against as the knight or the skullmerchant is
Its a let down. The tunnels are cool but its main chase power is just nemesis. Nemesis tentacle you can drag up and down as well as side to side. So boring and uninspired.
Wheres the wall crawling and pouncing. Wheres the face huggers. Wheres the acid blood (NO a addon doesnt count) where's the no terror radius to represent it being very stealthy.
So many missed opportunities. Alien is horror royalty and deserved better.
@@thedoomslayer5863 Wall crawling would be too janky, pouncing you and others you probably complain that its like demogorgon, acid blood people would complain about another ranged killer like *insert killer here*, this community would have never been happy with anything they did with the chapter.
@@diogostw7286 there's so many mixes of the things I mentioned they could've done to make it unique but instead they just remade nemmy whip.
Only thing unique to aliens name is the tunnel system
As someone who's been a huge Alien fan for most of their life, I think Facehuggers would be impossible to make both balanced and true to the source material, without only putting them in the mori, which would be considered a "hollow" usage of Facehuggers. In my personal opinion, excluding them from the gameplay of this killer was the right decision, and this is coming from a guy who kept a Facehugger plushie hanging above his bed as a kid. Overall with the Xenomorph, I think they did a pretty good job so far.
I was with you till you said "I think they did a pretty good job so far". Stop hiding, Mr. Cote!
@@balthasarkilgore2086
You cannot stop the Cote.
i think the most memorable use of the tail is actually in alien isolation. the way it just suddenly appears through the playable character's abdomen, then violently being ripped out as she slumps to the floor, only to be grabbed in the face by the xenomorph is the most iconic kills with the tail. its a big part of alien isolation, and that game has a lot in common with the first film.
In AvP the game it’s a vital heavy attack and even used to fake out a predator and prep it for impregnation
I'd mostly agree. I'd also say in the first AvP movie, when the xenomorph whose look is an actual skin in DbD impaled a Predator. Not to mention the Queen impaling another predator in the same movie, like he mentioned, or the Queen impaling Bishop at the end of Aliens, or even the implication of what the xenomorph did to Lambert after killing Parker in Alien.And then, there's also the fact that the tail attack is present in all three AvP games as the Xenomorph's secondary attack.
On your idea for the Entity Bred Xenomorph. A design in the vein of the Twisted Demogorgon cosmetic would've been awesome. As the Twisted Demogorgon cosmetic is basically a Entity infused Demo.
"Bred Xenomorph"
I was going to mention that if I recall correctly the description of that skin summed up to “demo dog here long enough to adapt” which in the context of alien still kind of works. Hell being technical (feel free to correct me I’m no expert) the Xenomorph we got could get a whole host of skins from different ranks like warrior and queen. Obviously downsized though because even if it’s crawling a 14ft tall queen would not be as stealthy nor fit in the tunnels. So the idea of a entity xeno makes sense one that’s adapted to the world of fog maybe having the organic tubes on its back produce fog to try and hide it or other little details like that to show such a thing. We do know we’re getting a skin on release according to dbd leaks it could be something like this however a better bet would be a xeno we’ve seen on the big screen like the one that got hit in the head with a net in one of the AvPs I think called grid. But we still can hope for the day our Xeno becomes a little more spidery.
@@GhostSniper1144Honestly I’d like to see a bunch of different variations that the Alien has taken throughout the years. The Predalien would be one but I’d like to see things like the Barakamorph from MKX or the Human-Xenomorph hybrid make their appearances as skins.
The Nostromo Wreckage map made me feel a sense of hopelessness. Seeing the ship destroyed and broken is sad because it was Ripley’s only way of returning to earth. Now no matter what she is trapped on LV-426
What I’m confused about is that below the name of the map is the name for the realm. The Dvarka Deepwood, that place is also part of the Toba Landing map. Someone said it’s a placeholder but idk, it does look like the Nostromo Wreckage takes place in Dvarka
@taluca8474 it takes place on the planet the ship landed on with the dead engineers ship in alien 1979 the rock structures and colours are the same
@@taluca8474Does it look like it takes place on Dvarka? Dvarka is vibrant with tons of life, this map is grey and empty. What part of that seems the same?
@@JohnDoe-hj9fhSpitballing two ideas here, but they COULD be on the same planet, but just on different sides. Using Earth as an example, the lush jungles of Brazil is nothing like the arid deserts you’ll see in the Middle East. Toba Landing might just be in a place that has access to decent sunlight and rain to allow growth while there are other places that just don’t get much at all.
This can also be because the ship crashing down violently on the planet has done extreme damage to the land surrounding it. Maybe something is leaking into the soil and killing off all vegetation.
Oh god I actually cringed when you suggested the Entity could have used survivors to make it’s own xenomorph, that is horrifically in-character but it seems even more depraved than usual to some degree
i personally feel like this chapter takes in from both Alien/Aliens as well as feeling like Alien Isolation. I remember the first time i played the Xeno on the PTB i looked down and felt nostalgia because seeing myself on all 4's and my 2 arms made me think about AVP2010 and when i got to play as an Alien back then, i was always a Xeno main in that game so that feeling felt the same here, only you couldn't leap onto walls like you could in that. I think overall this is a good chapter that has a little of everything throughout the more popular points in the series.
Same that game makes me adore this chapter
Its a let down. The tunnels are cool but its main chase power is just nemesis. Nemesis tentacle you can drag up and down as well as side to side. So boring and uninspired.
Wheres the wall crawling and pouncing. Wheres the face huggers. Wheres the acid blood (NO a addon doesnt count) where's the no terror radius to represent it being very stealthy.
So many missed opportunities. Alien is horror royalty and deserved better.
Buff ripley, she needs to get a rifle to be more lore accurate
Give her a perk called “Motherly Instincts”
this is alien 1979 Ripley though she got taken by the entity at the end of the first movie
She will also need her mecha from the second movie
Then we need to get lore accurate Ash... which means there won't be a game anymore 😂
Best buff would be to get her actress’s likeness since she kinda looks weird at the moment since they weren’t able to get Weaver’s likeness.
I totally understand and agree with your comments wrt this chapter almost being more representative of Aliens, but as someone who loves that film even more than the original I think this chapter represents a strong balance between the two most beloved entries given the presumed restriction they had to only "officially" include the first film.
this. it’s a perfect balance. not sure why people are assuming bhvr had to choose between the two when they could have just been trying to appease as many fans as possible.
I feel like BHVR's take on alien feels like they had to re-imagine the whole franchise only using things introduced in the first film due to licencing issues. I feel like the chapter's target audience is fans of Alien as a franchise rather than fans of the first movie.
even as a fan of the first movie as one of my favourite films of all time I really have no gripes at all that there's no face huggers or more alien 1979 aspects because I'm just glad that everything is good in terms of gameplay and it never felt like I expected the chapter to be exclusively alien 1979 despite how its presented
This entire chapter is a love letter to Alien fans and I have no complaints
Its a let down. The tunnels are cool but its main chase power is just nemesis. Nemesis tentacle you can drag up and down as well as side to side. So boring and uninspired.
Wheres the wall crawling and pouncing. Wheres the face huggers. Wheres the acid blood (NO a addon doesnt count) where's the no terror radius to represent it being very stealthy.
So many missed opportunities. Alien is horror royalty and deserved better.
@@thedoomslayer5863 Ah yes because a killer that can climb walls and has no terror radius is extremely balanced and would be fun to play against....also what's the point of acid blood if they never bleed? It's DBD not the evil dead game
Kinda realized something...
The comparison between the game's interpretation and the second film, along with where the lore leaves everything, could point to the chapter not trying to adapt the 1st film but reimagining a different 2nd film through dbd
The thing is, I feel like the Nostromo feeling "wrong" in DBD fits perfectly. Your arguments for it feeling off ARE valid, and I agree with them, however I would like to say it makes *sense* for DBD. This is because it should be remembered this *isn't* familiar territory for Ripley OR the Xenomorph. Not entirely anyway. This is the Entity's Realm, where familiar settings become twisted and distorted JUST enough to where those who know the places will find that sense of familiarity, but also uneasy-ness and discomfort. In my opinion it's just that that makes this. Seeing what the Entity was able to mimic in it's creation, but also what it failed to do. What the Entity was able to create and make happen on maps is one of my favourite parts of the map designs in DBD, and it's kinda why I dislike maps that are TOO faithful (R.P.D. being one for example.). I like what they've done here, having the Nostromo crashland on what feels like the Alien homeworld but not *quite*.
Honestly the Nostromo map feels like the exact opposite of what RPD was on launch. RPD was so accurate to the source material that it was almost unplayable for both survivors and killers, but it was incredible to see the RE location translated to DBD. The Nostromo feels like the exact opposite where they heard the backlash from the OG RPD 2 years ago and decided to put gameplay above accuracy making it a very fun map to play but it doesn't feel like the Nostromo outside a couple of easter eggs.
Id rather it be inspired then accurate, it it means better gameplay in the end of the day.
Yeah I completely agree. It's good map from a playability point of view, but apart from the easter eggs it feels like a generic map, it doesn't feel like being in the Nostromo at all.
I do agree that this chapter takes a lot from aliens, but considering you brought it up I’m surprised you didn’t compare it to the xenos in alien isolation, unlike alien those xenos were less stealthy and more like a resident evil stalker enemy, but less like the canon fodder they were in aliens, they also traveled through vents, ran really fast, and were kind of a mix between alien and aliens, literally being set between those movies, though this is more likely coincidence that actual inspiration
Given that Xeno's menu animation is a straight 1 to 1 recreation of a cutscene from Alien Isolation, I don't believe this to be a coincidence. There DEFINITELY was isolation inspiration here.
Yesss!! and their walking on two legs is from Isolation too!@@theflurker2435
I think he was a bit too horny to be negative to think that through 😂
To be fair preserving that feeling of “violation” probably would have been very uncomfortable and not in the fun horror way, it’s the same reason they toned the whole child predator thing WAY down for Freddy’s inclusion. I personally see most of the things you mentioned as nitpicks but It’s not a crime to have a different opinion, can’t wait to see the Ripley video!
this is such a good point.
some things are better off staying in the movies, thats not me saying it wouldn't have been cool to get face huggers but we have to think about everyone here not just us hardcore horror fans
I'd argue that Freddy's case is very different; 'violation' being a central theme of Alien is vague enough to incorporate into the game in a variety of ways, whereas there isn't exactly a way to portray Freddy as a child predator without him... predating children (who don't exist in the Entity's realm as far as we know). I do agree that some themes are uncomfortable in a distinctly un-horror way, but the aspect of unreality introduced by Alien being a fictional creature in a sci-fi setting, as opposed to any number of slasher villains who *could* be real people in a real setting, makes it totally possible to introduce facehuggers into DBD without it feeling too uncomfortable.
@@silverhawk4491 also a very good point.
I guess no matter what there would have still been people unhappy with this chapter.
I for one am happy with it
There is more good in this chapter than bad and people need to stop being negative and have fun.
I’m of the belief that I’d rather have something be entirely excluded than for it to end up being either half-baked or completely different from it’s source material.
I think it would've been really cool to get a Fog Based Xenomorph I feel maybe it might get a skin
Mortal Kombat did that with Alien as it chestbursted from Baraka so I think they should have maybe done that
Rare Pixel Bush L. Never took you for a first movie purist. Even though Aliens was a lot less scary on paper, I found it a bit more terrifying. Seeing that even those trained to stay cool and handle the worst situations ended up breaking down.
It really puts into perspective how terrifying and dangerous the Xenomorphs are now that they’re not just preying on unarmed workers.
I'm only a first movie purist when the Chapter is explicitly meant to be based on the first film only. If it marketed itself as an Aliens/Alien franchise Chapter and actually included these elements, the Chapter wouldn't feel off to me.
@@PixelBushI mean when I saw Alien, I thought of the whole franchise. That’s just me though, I guess you got a mismatch with your expectations.
@@cqbjones4861 The story picks up immediately after the first film, establishing a new continuity where the subsequent movies don't exist. That's where the dissonance comes from for me.
@@PixelBush ah alright. Fair enough I guess. Still I’m gonna have to leave us with an agree to disagree.
Don’t think me a hater, I love your content. However I just don’t agree with this one, but that’s okay. No one is 100% the same.
@@PixelBushProbably they don't try to make a new continuity, just use the time between Alien and Aliens in that Ripley is sleeping through +50 years and is lost in the deep space, the Entity take her soul and the dead first xenomorph to his realm
And that could explain when Ripley is saved in the opening of Aliens, she still can't separate reality from horrible nightmares where the xenomorph is still behind her
I have to ask what you think about Alien: Isolation then? In terms of accuracy to how the first movie was and such. I know you talked about it a little bit but a deeper dive would be very interesting to me
You are wrong about themes of violation. They were never really prevalent in the first Alien movie, they were there, but they weren't in the main focus. The horror from facehugger and chestburster stemmed not from the idea of being violated like that, but from the unknown that protagonists dealt with. It was going like a silver lining throughout the whole movie from the very first we hear or see of the alien ship and eggs in it.
The themes of violation emerged from the background only when you already knew what you are seeing which was later on exploited countless times in the following movies, but was never put in the spotlight in the first movie on the first watch because the main emphasis was on the fear of unknown, fear of something completely alien to human and anything known to them.
You had no idea what these Alien eggs were and even though you, as a viewer, KNEW that that's where the Alien comes from, you couldn't possibly suspect what would happen next. If you weren't spoiled, you would suspect that Kane simply takes one of the eggs on board of the ship where it hatches. Then, you see one of it open and you think that Kane would take the Alien while its newborn and still weak on board of the ship and it looks perfectly reasonable plot progression, because you know Kane is protected by the suit and right now nothing is threatening him. Until you get jumpscared by the facehugger which attacks Kane and, as it turns out, melts through the helmet.
Then, you're seeing this obviously hostile Alien and figure out the movie would be about this spider-like creature. It's horrifying, repulsive, it looks like stuff directly out of nightmares, something eerily familiar, yet completely Alien. You, as a first time viewer, know that Kane is dead and soon this creature would attack others. The movie keeps creating tension by showing creatures abilities which only progress your fear of the unknown because all your predictions fall apart. Is it trying to kill Kane? No, because it supplies him with oxygen, but why? In the hindsight, you know the reason, but first time you are just clueless and that makes you scared. You don't know. You have zero idea what is going on, just like the characters.
Then, facehugger detaches and you get simultaneously relieved and scared. You were right all along, it IS the alien and it will attack the crewmembers after it dealt with Kane, but now you anticipate the attack and it quickly happens. Only for you to discover that spider-thing is dead already. All your predictions are yet again shattered and Kane's awakening only further confuses you. You know something is not right, something is very wrong but you don't know what. He seems mostly fine and then the crescendo of the horror strikes.
Kane dies suddenly and dies a horrible death and even the way it's orchestrated is supposed to highlight the fear of the unknown because for the first dozen of seconds we don't see blood or anything. We just see seizures and him screaming in pain which just distresses us and makes us wonder what is going on. AND THEN the blood comes, everything freezes for a moment just to let that sink in and the horror begins its crescendo because that's what the build up was leading to. All your fears of the unknown are finally materialized by this scene of violent birth and it would never be as scary without that fear of the unknown before it.
Alien's horror of violation is important part of it, but it was never truly the main part of the first movie or the facehugger/chestburster part of the Alien. It is a background that doesn't get too old because it can't be spoiled. Knowing what is going to happen only enhances the horror and it is very obvious by the way facehuggers / chestbursters are shown in all further products of the Alien franchise. They had only one shot with the fear of the unknown aspect in the first movie and they nailed it.
Then, fear of the unknown emerged in the way Alien could've been everywhere as it was moving in the vents. It could also be interpreted as a fear of "violation", but I personally think Nostromo stopped feeling like a safe space long before Alien emerged. It is still present, but in the background. It's a looming and subtle feeling that is overshadowed by a different fear produced by knowledge the creature could be anywhere.
Alien's fear of violation, fear of biological violation was put in the spotlight and heavily exploited in the following movies to the point of it getting almost fetishized, pinnacling in AvP Requiem (I won't describe that, thank you, it wasn't scary, it was shocking and gross). It was a unique kind of horror, but it could only be used a limited amount of times before it became less scary and more shocking and disgusting. You can really see the switch in the focus of what kind of horror directors wanted to show by watching the ways facehuggers and chestbursters were shown in the following movies compared to the first one. The first one focused on the "alien" and "unexpected" side of the facehugger and chestburster. Following ones focused on the biological details and gore, trying to show us as much unnecessary details in the most intimate angles as only allowed.
In some way, you can see that change in dynamics with the monster's name change. Alien to Xenomorph. From a general word describing something unknown and different to a biological term. Because the creature stopped being scary due to being unknown, it had to be made scary by showing off its horrifying biology. Which is why I personally don't understand why they called new killer The Xenomorph instead of The Alien, but I guess they don't find that name difference have as much significance as I do or they simply thought that the killer shouldn't have the same name as the chapter which doesn't contain just the killer.
Fear of violation is extremely prevalent and highlighted in all following Alien movies, games, etc because writers couldn't possibly replicate the fear of the unknown. It isn't necessarily a bad thing, but since this chapter was focused mainly on the first movie, not focusing on the violation themes was certainly the best decision devs could've made. They kept xenomorph scary and unpredictable as much as they could without hurting the gameplay.
They have confirmed facehuggers were discarded at early stages of development and the only way we did see them in the new chapter was an easter egg jumpscare and empty ovomorphs that sometimes spawn in the Alien's tunnels. It was a good decision both in gameplay and visuals&overall vibe of the chapter. Gameplay wise, that would've inevitably switched focus from Alien being a stealthy killer moving just somewhere near, but completely out of sight (which was perfectly translated into gameplay by addition of tunnels) to a propagating bug with another instakill power that is never meant to truly kill somebody because it would be designed to be a slowdown. As for visuals, I don't think it would take much for facehuggers / chestbursters to simply become annoying and lose all of their flavour to both killer and survivor. Alien's ability is perfectly immersive and replayable.
I would really also like to emphasise that facehugger would have NEVER properly worked in the gameplay exactly because of their supposed inevitability. There's no really proper way to make it work and keep its main horror factor without becoming a second boring beartrap or Sadako's curse that, by design, is meant to be always avoidable. It is absolutely the best decision to keep facehuggers away from the gameplay.
Overall, this chapter seems to be taking the best from both worlds. It takes the theme of stealthy insidious predator that lurks near you from the first film, it takes the visual themes from the second movie to complete the picture and it generally manages to perfectly capture the main feeling of what it is like to be locked with a xenomorph or the Alien and having to escape it.
I just realized the basement could have been hive looking with the organic hive wall and a bunch of open and closed egg in a corner
Glad that my man, VHS Flamethrower is still getting work after VHS closed.
I think actually the fact that the map is a conjunction of Hadley's hope and Nostromo is a good thing. Lore implies that Entity recreates places of great tragedies, but in so doing it is not a replicator, but a sculptor and artist, making imperfect amalgamations of someone's memories, events and so on, making survivor within feel all the more as if they are in a fever dream. Ripley, or the version of Ripley that got pulled into the Fog (and we obviously have to assume there are multiverse versions of her, as we did assume with Haddie after the archives), never stood on LV-426's terrain, she only have seen it up to the point of her being brought into the Fog, through windows and computer screens, which is why the landscape is as it is (albeit, it lacks the winds, to my personal peril, but of course, it could not be done in a way that would not be obnoxius for most of the players and not affecting gameplay and performance of the game).
Also, on themes of violation, I have to ponder, that the way map is constructed unfolds, quite well in my opinion, psychological demolition in which events of the Alien left Ripley, which is also a violation, albeit, not physical one. It is also supported by the beginning of the second movie, that the damage to her psyche was done, and in no small amount, with her waking at nights in screams of fear and agony, drenched in cold sweat, with only the most stinging imagery present in fractured pictures that her mind drew to her in her nightmares: barren landscape, the medbay where she first time ever came in direct contact with the creature and where the first act of violation concluded, the dining table where Kane and Ash met their demise, the spacesuits lockers which were the last layer that physically separated her from something that murdered her entire crew, the keycard, found on a body in a spacesuit, ambigious to who it might be, since only Kane, Lambert, Dallas and Ripley herself would qualify, the all-too-familiar password in terminal, and pristine room of the Mother with the only green line on the only still operational monitor, spelling eternal condemnation for Ripley to writhe in agony: "Crew is expendable."
Jesus this entire video is the definition of 🤓. Who cares that it isn’t 100% Alien and more Aliens? People love Aliens. Plus the Silent Hill and Resident Evil chapters are an amalgamation of different games in their series.
I think the point of the video is even more dumb when you have really good media like Alien Isolation that already had elements of both films and made it so they weren’t tied to just those films.
What would you rather I do then? Lie? Like I'm sorry but I don't like not liking the Chapter. Truth be told I knew I'd get a lot of responses like this but I uploaded anyway because the alternative is A) lying with false optimism or B) just not covering it at all.
What would you rather I do?
@@PixelBush It’s not a lie to say “I wish there was more influences with Alien rather than Aliens, but all in all is still a great chapter” or “I think the killer should’ve utilized facehuggers.” But you’re making it out that the faithfulness of the chapter is worse because it references more the second movie than the first
I get it, you love the first movie, I do too. You want more references to that because of the impact that film had. But it’s not the end of the world just because the DLC has heavy influences of the second movie. In honesty it only strengthens the chapter since it has even more to work with.
There’s no reason a licensed DbD chapter should limit itself from pulling from just one part of a franchise. Imagine if the Silent Hill chapter focused on just Silent Hill 2. No Midwich, no Cheryl. Sure it would still be a good chapter and would be very faithful to the source material but it wouldn’t have been as special as it was with what we got, pulling from all different facets of Silent Hill instead of just from 2.
This is a video game, so it doesn’t always need to be 100% accurate to the IP it’s pulling from. So long as it doesn’t go Full Freddy™️ it’s fine. If it means a better DLC by deviating from source material, then by all means.
@@DrAnimePhD I literally said it's a good Chapter several times idk what more you want. I said it doesn't work for me, and it doesn't. Again, I don't like being a negative Nancy, and I knew the video would get backlash for exactly this reason.
I think it leaning more into Aliens isn’t a bad choice. It works better for the game and looks fantastic in general. I think they couldn’t have done this chapter better because they knew what worked for them and knew exactly what they wanted. Plus Aliens is a fantastic movie and is amazingly adapted
While I appreciate your takes, and I do agree with many aspects of your breakdown here, a lot of your arguments hinge on ignoring ALIEN and ALIENS director cuts, which have superseded the Theatrical versions of both films. While an argument can be made that ALIEN theatrical stands stronger than ALIEN D.C... the same cannot be said for ALIENS D.C. which addresses some aspects that you point out about ALIENS missing the "Violation" aspect, especially in regards to the face hugger as we get to see Newt's father's fate quite front and center as she sees him infected.
You also seem to have forgotten[or simply ignored] that, while in the Entity's realm, the Entity will violate an existing location to it's own ends, meaning that while yes, the map does feel more like it SHOULD be ALIENS focused, and really should have been Hadley's Hope... given that our chapter jumps us off from the end of ALIEN lore wise, is it not correct to assume that part of the reason the crashed Nostromo map feels a bit off, a bit like an amalgamation of being both on LV-426's surface while also combining key aspects of the Nostromo, could have been drawn from Ripley's subconscious and recreated by the Entity in it's recreation of "home."
Also the tunnel system drawing more from ALIENS only really holds water if you entirely ignore ALIEN director's cut and the ovimorph hive scene.
Again, I FEEL you on the misses with this chapter not utilizing the face hugger as part of gameplay [hell... they could have even taken a page from Alien vs Predator 2010 for the Mori and had the Xeno position the survivor being mori'd for a face hugging like the stealth kills for the xeno in that game] And the feeling of the map being more reminiscent of Hadley's than the Nostromo... but again, I feel a lot of that can be rectified by remembering that the Entity corrupts every location it pulls into it's realm [just look at Haddonfield, or Springwood, or hell even back at Hawkins lab.] because it's recreating these locations from bits and pieces from the survivor's and killers subconscious memories of these locations and twisting it in it's own way.
Now, ignoring all that, I do feel that BHVR tried to walk a bit of a line to bring this chapter to people in a way that would draw in franchise fans no matter which film you enjoy in the franchise, and that's why we get a bit of an amalgamation of the first three films, the grater emphasis on the hive tunnels as you said DOES feel more ALIENS than ALIEN, but again did exist in both films if you utilize the directors cuts, the runner mode very much feels like ALIEN3 or even ALIENS to some degree more than ALIEN, but I do feel that the overwhelming dread the tunnel system brings to playing the Xeno is more in line with the horror found in ALIEN... that feeling, especially in a cramped map, of always watching over your shoulder because the Perfect Organism could pop out and take you at any time...
Is it a perfect adaptation of ALIEN, or any of the franchise films to DbD? no... but is it a decent adaptation that tries to ride a line to appeal to many fans of the franchise to get them to maybe give DbD a go, yeah, I think it does, there's enough for fans to sink their teeth into without DbD ruining ALIEN, or ALIEN forcing it's identity on DbD... it get's across some of the more standard concepts, without really harming anything around it, and really, that's one of the best things we can ask for from a licensed chapter, it does the property relative justice while keeping the identity of "it's this... but inside the framework of DbD."
Anyway keep up the great work, don't think I disliked this video or anything, you did great work, I just... really felt you overlooked this aspect in the discussion. Take care of yourself Pixel, and keep being awesome.
There’s also the fact a lot of DBD’s Xeno is inspired by Alien Isolation. Which in itself is one big homage to the first film.
I can feel the frustration with xenomorph's tail hitbox in the background footage lmao. Praying BHVR makes it a bit wider for the chapter's release
you can drag a bit like nemi's whip so they don't really need to. also i think it's good that there's more skill involved in the power
It would be even more frustrating to widen it, wym? That tail can hit over palettes which is annoying enough. Praying they DO NOT widen it. The hitboxes in this game is bad enough. (e.g i move left, nemesis hits right, and i STILL get hit, like wtf)
@@giovanni2910 that might be nemi dragging his whip but i agree. xeno has a smaller whip hitbox which is completely fair since you can instantly injure
I disagree with your take so far but i will be back when i can actually play the chapter to better give an opinion
I get that not having facehuggers not being part of the power is sorta a disservice to alien, I really do. However, having the system in place for them would probably be a balance nightmare. There is a reason killers with side objects like pinhead, sadako, and pig haven't been introduced in awhile. Especially with sadako, who is borderline OP rn and I really unfun to go against if the killer knows what their doing. So with this logic I'm glad that Alan's power is simple yet effective. Just my take.
It’s “Second Amendment your way out. “ That’s the “Right to bear arms” one. The first one is freedom of speech, press and assembly. You’re not going to talk a Xenomorph to death.
My problem was not getting Sigourney Weaver as Ripley. It just doesn't feel the same without her
It can't really be helped. Weaver said she wasn't returning to the series and probably didn't want her likeness used in any other properties.
Now following how Mortal Kombat X brought Predator in and then brought in Alien shortly after, Dead By Daylight is probably gonna get the Predator soon. Same license holders and that AVP energy is probably the reason why MKX got both of them by the end as guest characters.
Side note: Can’t really agree with the complaints and stuff about how the chapter uses “too much” influence from Aliens. Or how it merges aspects from two films of the *same* franchise. They are the same franchise after all and things that you associate with just Aliens exists in the director’s cuts of Alien and also Alien Isolation. A game that is basically one big homage to the first film and a major influence on this chapter even though you barely mention it at all. You brought it up at the end as a near flawless adaptation as if it didn’t have things like a Aliens like hive, Xenomorphs impaling you with their tails, getting on 4 legs, running you down from across the hallway, functional weaponry, and flamethrowers. I’m perfectly happy with those things, but those are things that you criticized the DBD chapter for having. Like this feels like trying to make a big deal of nothing.
fun way to fix the map issue . . . make it 2 maps, Derelict Crash Site as an outdoor map, and the Nostromo as an indoor map.
While killers like Billy struggle on indoor maps, stealth killers like Ghostie and Scratched Mirror Mikey have issues with outdoor maps. Since we lost Hawkin's Lab, there hasn't been a replacement indoor map other than the debacle that is RPD.
I honestly don’t think that the face hugger/ chest burster mechanic would work that well in-game based on what I know, face huggers wrap completely around the victim’s face making them unable to see while it’s attached and they stay attached for while. The idea of a survivor running around perfectly doing gens and looping the killer while blind is more ridiculous than any flashlight blind on a killer without viable eyes could ever be. But let’s just say the face hugger attaches immediately plants the baby Xeno and then dies and detaches, I still don’t think this would work for a couple of reasons, one I don’t honestly believe a Xenomorph would attack a host of a chest burster because of the risk of damaging the baby inside and plus if it did then the host would possibly suffer from a lethal case of acid reflux. Aside from that a baby Xeno doesn’t work like Pig’s traps or Sadokos curse it’s not so easily removed without surgery. I personally think the face huggers would just be better as a mori
2nd amendment pixel. 1st amendment is talking. Not sure the xenomorphs would care.
I gotta say. You gotta take the bad with the good. Casue look at Silent Hill. I know your not a big Silent Hll fan. But they took liberties to make it work. And I appreciate that.
honestly, i don't think Alien can be in dbd properly, most of the elements that make him iconic and scary can't work on dbd, the tunnels were definitely a good choice, i don't think BHVR could have done it better, i also loved the crawling power too, and i couldn't see a better adaptation for an ability for Xeno.
I think adding a face hugger would be a bit too much, Xeno has an anti-loop and a map traversing ability, so i guess adding another thing would make it feel like he can do everything.
Maybe, if dbd changed, Xeno can have his time to shine again, but overall, i give the chapter a solid 9/10, tbh, i don't mind the map that much, and i think any map would fit Alien very well, but i can see why they chose the Nostromo
I cannot agree with the idea that this chapter feels more like Aliens outside of the map, everything about the Xenomorphs power screams a Silent Alien killer that preys upon who it can find, which is what the vibe of the first film is for 75% of it.
Am I the only who thought the facehuggers are kind of hot?
HUH
5:00 bro you were struggling 😭
You description of how the nostrsomo feels different now, like the magic is gone reminds me so much of peoples feeling of andor Londo in darksouls 3, like this wonderful place you once knew is being perverted and artificial kept alive but ‘they’ know it’s what you want, there’s an amazing video by Jacob geller called “dark souls 3 is thinking of ending things” and one line or so feels like the exact point you’re trying to make, and forgive me I’m paraphrasing I can’t remember the exact wording
“You’ve got the abyss watchers, bosses modeled after the great knight artorias and they fight eachother just as much as they fight you, you’ve got a power ranger fighting a bioncle here! It’s awesome. But it feels wrong.”
Wow. I guess you really can't please everyone. Even when a great franchise comes in and is done pretty damn well, you still get the complaints of "it's not good enough". Why can't people just enjoy things these days? Yes you're entitled to have your opinions by all means but... isn't it miserable always being so nitpicky that everything just sucks..? I know you said you liked the chapter but the whole video just sounds like you really don't.
My problem with a entity domesticated xeno is that a few of the movies and especially the AVP games is the idea xenomorphs cannot be tamed and only live for them. Also the tunnel system gives me so much nostalgia from the AVP games and im very excited
Fr a large part of the xenomorph is that it can't be tamed and reducing the xeno down to just a pawn for the entity would be lame
I think the xenomorph represents a different theme in DBD in dbd than in the original movies. In the movies the xenomorph's we're used to give the theme of violation, but the entity already does that. Now the xenomorph is used to make you feel out of your element, like you stumbled into the killer's hunting ground, not like you are the violator of his home but as if you are so out of your element you have no way out of this.
the xenomorph is the connected to the map more than any other killer with his tunnels made of hive resin. This is his playground, and you have just walked right into it.
Actually it's far more an adaptation of Alien Isolation than Aliens. In that game the flamethrower does in fact stop the Alien temporarily, there is plenty of organic tunnels too and to top it all, the DBD model looks nearly identical to the Xenomorph from that game. Down to the backwards bent feet and the missing fifth tube on his back
How is Alien the biggest license if we have Halloween and A Nightmare on Elm Street?
People always overestimate the Alien Licence when it's compared to other Horror Franchises. Sure, it's one of the most well known Horror Licences and THE Alien/Sci-fi Licence. But only the first and maybe second Movie are cult classic, not the Franchise as a whole. Alien 3 and everything after it is average or even bad. And i'm a big Alien Fan myself.
@@Myrrmoasta I am a big Alien fan but we can’t even compare. Alien is huge but Halloween and A Nightmare on Elm Street are on another level
@@cogumelo6963 exactly!
I swear this dude complains about everything. Im pretty sure most people understand that Its an adaptation of the whole franchise using things from the first movie not specifically the first movie. It feels extremely negative given that all the complaints from this video are solved if the chapter name added an s to the end of "alien"
8:01 “First amendment your way out” LETS FREEDOM OF SPEECH THIS FUCKING MONSTER!!!
To add face huggers to the game maybe they could replace xenos hooks. They work the same but survivors are sacrificed once they get chest bursted, you could have the chest burster run out and away too
Also to make hooks more seeable they could be on little pedestals
I really dont need a r@pe analogy in DbD. The new WS tech is enough.
As an Alien fan who is also autistic af, I am so so happy with the chapter and I disagree with you heavily
Personally my biggest issue with this chapter is the map. If we had actually gotten the spaceship as an indoor map it would have been so cool and would help it stand out so much more. In the first teasers it even showed rooms like it was going to be an indoor map. Really feels like they took the easy way out and decided to just play it safe crashing the ship for another outdoor map instead of going for something truly unique.
Edit: another thing i see a lot of people want is facehuggers in the power. Personally i disagree though since we aren't playing as a queen xenomorph. If we did get a queen xenomorph THEN i wouldn't mind it in the power, but for a regular xenomorph like what we got, it just doesn't fit imo.
The easy way out would be to make an indoor nostromo that's claustrophobic and plays awfully just to appease fans
@@JohnDoe-hj9fh personally i would consider what they ended up doing the easy way out because outdoor maps are easier to make than indoor maps AND the amount of outrage people had once they thought it was going to be indoor.
making an indoor nostromo that's claustrophobic and plays awfully would NOT be the easy way out for the very reasons you listed. they would have to put more resources into trying to make it work and probably still end up revisiting it later to adjust it like how they eventually did with RPD.
@@deletedaccount7 the reason I'm saying it's the easy way out is because it's impossible to make the nostromo work in DBDs style and so just faithfully recreating it would be the easiest thing they could do just like RPD. They had to actually use creativity to come up with the new map rather than just copying what already exists
Personally, I would see the inclusion of face huggers into chapter the same way you see the nostromo's inclusion. While it is a big part of the franchise, there is no way that it can be conceivably added faithfully without cheapening it or ruining gameplay. Either you have face huggers that paralyze a survivor and then give them an unavoidable death timer which is just unbalanced and unfun, or you do something unfaithful to the movie like letting them somehow remove the embryo. I'm just hoping that with the leaks about a queen skin for xeno, and the proposal about there being new mori's tied to skins that bhvr said, we can get a queen mori where she puts a face hugger on the survivors face and leaves them there with it for the rest of the trial.
7:58 I think you meant to say 2nd amendment. I mean what are u supposed to use, harsh language?
I think you overdid this tunnel/nemesis joke man it makes it hard to watch the video
I think another way to look at this is explicitly from the view of the lore given for the Alien in the Fog, it seems to suggest the one in the first film was plucked from Space and the Nostromo crashed rather than get recovered and Ripley saved by Weiland-Utani, meaning the mindset of Ripley, the Alien itself, the map, all corelate to being a "prequel" or "alternate timeline" of the events in the films, meaning Ripley has already dealt with this thing before as she has in Aliens. As much as I would've loved the facehuggers and chest bursters to be the power set I think based on the time they plucked both characters from its very clear the idea was to homage the first film but use the elements from Aliens that would be more conducive to DBD's gameplay.
I mean if you really think about it if the Alien had the facehuggers it would either be A. exactly like Victor from the Twins but worse if the facehugger doesn't sit around like him or B. exactly like the Pig's reveres bear traps that impregnate the survivor with a chest burster. While the tail attack is similar to Neme's tentacle, that's just it, it's similar. If you used the facehuggers you run the risk of copying someone's power set pretty closely which they have done with Billy and Bubba but since then they've tried to keep most of em pretty distinct.
They said the next license was going to be "iconic". They did not exaggerate. Good call on this one, Pixel.
Remember, minecraft wasn’t an old enough license for smash bros to even consider adding steve to its roster when super smash bros wii came out, people thought that it would stay that way forever, that the people fighting for a Minecraft representative were fighting for a lost cause at best and stupid children at worst. (sakurai has a certain, distain, for adding young IPs into super smash bros and avoids them at all costs. Steve basically grew old enough to be considered an “og” worthy of representation in the multimedia fighting game vault for the absolute legends of gaming.) yet Steve came in ultimate shortly after his 10 year anniversary and when the 8 year olds who’s childhoods revolved around the early years of Minecraft saw Steve’s arrival into super smash bros ultimate, they were reminded of the game that didn’t force their hand into making something beautiful or achieving something greater than themselves like the authority figures in their life constantly drilled into them, the game that let them do what they wanted, when they wanted, and nurtured the innate desire to make a better situation for themselves and others even if complacently and the status quo was the easier option, the game that instead of driving the player away from creativity by forcing it upon them, gave players a fleeting moment of the joy of creation and left the rest up to the players that desired for more.
Now, I and many others weep, because my childhood is deemed less important than others because of a factor that we never consented to being given, the time period that we came existence on this earth from, they judge us because they feel like they deserve more because they lost their childhood before we even were, anything…
Holy shit that got fucked quicker than a virgin at the college prom, oh I know, I’ll just make a quick joke about how pixel bush seemingly has a definition of a fun killer that is acongruent to the standard gamer definition of fun, yea its definitely not ablest if the guy writing this joke is also autist-
@@GoodlyData86596 The hell? What is this essay?
@@Doncroft1 I write in such a way that I provide full context for or an example of the point I am trying to make, to have as little room for harmful interpretation as possible.
@@GoodlyData86596 k mate
9:38 I LOVE TUNNELING
I feel like the map had to be a compromise, we couldn’t have the original nostrom, we know that from RPD, the only other idea was to add rooms onto the Nostromo that made it bigger, which devalues from the “trapped” feeling, this was the only way they could get it without it being hair pulling levels of annoying, it wouldn’t have ended up scary, just frustrating
Ripley needs the likeness
8:00 do you mean the second amendment? Cause I don’t think protesting the xenomorphs is going to stop them.
Call them Tunnelers, they may feel bad and let you go
don't expect a British person to be a savant on us gun laws lmao
I feel like the chapter had a bit of the Silent Hill treatment and focuses on the franchise rather than the first film (even though a lot of this chapter focuses on the first film weirdly.) Not only that, there was probably some issue between 20th Century, Disney, and DBD regarding the map. Even so, this chapter still has some very faithful adaptations form different parts of the franchise. Overall, while I wish it was a chapter that focuses on the first film, I do think it’s still an amazing chapter, and really does a lot so fucking well when it comes to keeping homage to the Alien IP.
This is a bad video, full of poorly argued and oftentimes incorrect points. I am disappointed, honestly.