@@TheColdWarTV Those battles remind me of the one Blackadder quote: "doing precisely waht we've done 18 times before, is exactly the last thing they'll expect us to do this time."
*Trieste* : I´m Free Territory. Yay! *Phone rings* *Trieste* :"Hello, Free Territory of Trieste. Who am I speaking with?" *Phone* :"Hello. This is your older cousin, Danzig."
My parents always explained to me how they smuggled goods from Trieste to Slovenia in the former Yugoslavia. They always jokingly say that smuggling was a national sport and that the all western goods always came from Trieste. Keep doing good work. Greetings from Slovenia.
I've read somewhere that older people were ashemed of this trend and in fact none of them went there. Funny enough how they have fought against something that they descendant jokingly accepted. That's why we say "Za hlapce rojeni, za hlapce vzgojeni"
@@mrduck9608 No one in my family is ashamed to buying in Trieste, my father still has sunglasses from Trieste. The phrase for a slave born for a slave raised (za hlapca rojeni za hlapca vzgojeni) is, for me personally, one of the dumest sentence in Slovenian history. Man becomes a slave himself if he allows it.
@@anzelukman5254 seveda nisem namigoval na tvojega očeta ali na tvojo družino. Vprašaj ga vseeno če je tudi starejša generacija kupovala v Trstu (npr. tvoj dedek ali pradedek) in kakšno je blo mnenje te glede na tedanjo mladino, ki je hodila kupovati čez mejo.
True story: My grandfather was mobilized to fight in Trieste for yugoslavia, however italy and yugoslavia agreed to divide the territory and war was avoided. He said that was the most tense moment of his life until 1990s. A very informative episode. Greetings from an albanian 🇦🇱.
My father was avio-mechanic in Yugolsav army in 1973. and he was tranformed into paratrooper over the night and everything was prepared for battle in 1973. They gave him a german paratroopers machine gun what was from the WW2, and he says that was a really cool weapon.
My grandfather, Umberto Figlietti, was conscripted into the Alpini in 1915, at the age of 15. 4th Alpini Regiment, Ivrea Battalion. He was shot in the leg, sent to Libya for rehabilitation, and was returned to the front. He lost two brothers in those mountains, Giuseppe and Stefano. My father, Joseph Steven, has his cappello alpini. My grandmother’s will has the cappello to be passed down in male descending order.
my father was in Trieste for a few years in those times as part of Yugoslav forces. He told me that they where given orders to march through town chanting "Trieste is ours". He learned Italian during those years. Had a contact with allied forces , was shown USA tanks which he was very impressed about. First time saw a black person. He fell in love with Jeep and got a nick name from that period, friends called him Jeep many years later.
I had the absolute worst hangover/migraine/heatstroke of my life while passing through Trieste on a US Army bus on the way to a nearby airbase. We ended up on a vast stretch of tarmac without any shelter waiting in the blazing sun as they attempted to fix some balky engines on the C 130 that was to fly us and our Sargeant missile to Crete for a practice firing. Four hours of roaring jets and 105° heat, no water, no shade and no sympathy we finally boarded and lifted off, which was cooler but no quieter. A half hour out over the Aegean and every alarm on the plane, including a klaxon began bellowing and bleating, causing us to return to the airbase. We were taken somewhere (I have no idea where) for dinner and a night's sleep while the plane was fixed, aspirin and water were available and my headache finally subsided. that was 50 years ago and without a doubt the worst pain I have ever experienced. So for me, the reputedly lovely city of Trieste is a memory of hell. Crete was really nice though.
Oh man.... I've heard of many war time stories of soldiers enduring and surviving the blood bath of Stalingrad, D-Day landings in Normandy, raising of the flag in Iwo Jima, the German final stand in Berlin... but your tale of the "Trieste Hangover" tops it all! I think they should do a whole separate segment with a 4-hour/2-part special how you managed to endure all that pain and survive that hell on Earth. Needless to say, a Purple Heart or at least a Congressional Medal for Bravery is in order for you to receive by the President and the Chairman of The Joint Chiefs of Staff. 😂
@robertbauer3419 I left out the part about passing out on the bus ride there and waking up, haltingly to everybody laughing and pointing at me. I had drooled the entire front of my shiny starched fatigues with the dark stain of shame. I make no claim to valor, but that was only my second full-blown migraine, first with a hangover. I'm no snowflake and have pushed my physical abilities farther than most, but a novice migraine experience under very adverse conditions is truly humbling.
Old man, revolted about his teenage grandson lifestyle, spending all day on computer chatting with his friends and playing video games, once stormed in his room and shouted: "when I was of your age I went to Trieste, entered largest tavern in town, drank everything they had, ate everything they had, jumped on the table and piss all around and exit not paying a dime, and look at you! LOOK AT YOU!!!" and goes back, all fuming. "Hey, that's a nice idea for having a good time", his grandson thought... After some time guy goes to a trip, and several days later went back, full of bruises. Naturally, his family was startled and asked him what happened? He pointed at grandpa and said "grumps, I did everything you have done, went to Trieste and entered largest tavern in town, drank everything they had, ate everything they had, and when I've jumped on the table and tried to piss all around suddenly waiters and cops rushed in and started to beat all of us like there's no tomorrow." "All of you? With whom did you went there?" "With my online friends... and you?" "Me? I was there with partisans."
Istria was and still is a complicated area. My parents were born under Italian birth certificates and my Grandparents under Austrian-Hungarian. In late '45 my parents were able to run and smuggle themselves over the border to avoid Yugoslavia's socialism into Trieste. From there they were treated like shit, cause they were 'Yugoslav'. So the became refugees and came to Australia, where they were also treated like shit because they "Slavs". My father had spent 2 years in Dachau because he was a Slav as a slave worker, my grandfather was executed (I never met him). I never got to meet many of my relatives because they were executed or worked as slaves to death because of their race. So color of skin is not the only marker for racisms, shape of nose, forehead, jaw line and a few other features are also markers. Like I said at the beginning, a very complicated place.
Same story here my father and his sister came to Sydney for a better life. All my father would tell me is how hard it was for him the people would call him a bloody (WOG) police would harass him because of his surname and country of birth. He said he only got most jobs that True Aussies wouldn't do because it was to dangerous. 20 stories high no scaffolding laying bricks from 1 building 2 another just leaning over nothing to stop him from falling. Sadly he moved back home (Slovenia) sometimes I feel ashamed to call myself an Aussie!
Great video as always, but you could have mentioned that border tensions were there since the inception of the Yugoslav State at the end of WW1 - as disputes around Fiume and the Dalmatian coast were never quite resolved until 1945.
It wasn't forgotten by my dad....he tried to explain to me ( when I was 10 ) why Trieste was Italian ..... I wasn't at all interested and now think that he knew about such esoteric bits of history because he had been a Dakota pilot and would have been livid at the murder of the helpless crew in that DC3.
They were violating Yugoslavian air space, there were also several small skirmishes between USA American and Yugoslavian foot patrols - most of the dead were on the Yugoslavian side. Western allies, especially Americans, were shielding Italian war criminals who were never prosecuted because of the cold war... Countryside that Italians got, around the Trst (Trieste) and Gorica (Gorizia) was almost completely Slovenian.
@@valentintapata2268 countryside with a 10th of the popoulation... :D still now you are going to spread this unilateral and biased views about all this story? make peace with yourself! there is only TRIESTE and there is GORIZIA and NOVA GORICA. there is no more border, there is not anymore nothing to argue, put your head under cool water.
@@valentintapata2268 not at all, all those are things of the past, now we are in peace and only stupids boast to get back Istria or Slavs taking Trieste. Keep aside unreasonable butthurt and get over it. It is stuff of another era.
In Slovenia there is a famous story how border negotiations decided the border between Yugoslavia and Italy. All sides were in a disagreement, so somebody suggested that armies of both nations fight for 24 hours. Wherever the frontline moves after 24 hours, this would be the new border. So Great Britain agreed, then USA agreed, then Soviet Union agreed, then they asked France and it strongly opposed the idea. So other nation asked France why it opposed this idea so much. And French president answered: “We don’t want to share border with Yugoslavia”
I knew there was an issue over Trieste after the world wars, but didn't know about the details and never really bothered to look it up. It kinda faded from my history-minded memory. But I have to say it is an interesting issue and episode of the cold war and I'm glad I finally know more of these details. Thank you for enlightening me!
After 1954 Trieste became a Boom town each weekend thousands of "Sciavi" as we call the Yugoslavians flooded ours streets buying goods that were resold as far as Russia. There was money everywhere, those were the good old days and it all came to an end with the fall of communism.
Actually Trst began to fall into disrepair at that time. As its industrial base was systematically dismantled. So there was a mini boom for some shopkeepers. It was less of boom but part of the wave of the Italian economic miracle.
@Mike Dawson My dad (Italian here) told me about how some people coming to buy stuff here in Trieste often found very creative ways to snuck money past the border (I reckon that there was a set amount you could carry with you by law), including folks shoving rolled-up bundles of cash up their ass. Yes, I'm dead serious.
My dad was deployed near Trieste during the period he served in the Italian army during the cold war (I think during the 70s or 80s). He used to drive an M113, but by what he usually says, it was more fun than anything for him, as he lived to drive it around
I appreciate that in the post WW2 period, there was a big division between the west (US backed) block and east (USSR backed / oppressed by) block. I think that a dimension being missed in this video is that after the immediate end of WW2, Yugoslavia fought hard to, and succeeded in being, non-aligned. Perhaps the west would have fought harder for Trieste if it would have ended up being part of the Warsaw Pact block.
My maternal grandfather was posted to Trieste as part of his National Service and as a Royal Engineers corporal. He was having coffee in a cafe one day when a car sped up and a grenade was thrown at his table. It bounced off the table and behind a water butt of some kind which muffled the explosion and there were no fatalities. Gramps reportedly decided not to finish his coffee - but still paid the tab. Gramps passed away a few years ago, and I take his National Service medal - proudly displaying his ‘Trieste’ bar- to the National Memorial Arboretum in the UK each year to remember all those who didn’t come back as part of Ride To The Wall.
Scary part is you can be sure to see this again after future conflicts . The hope is it doesn't go horribly wrong which things like this have been prone to in the history of warfare and the " peacetime" that follows it .
10:44 Many times Tito with his white suits and medals reminded me of the Goering, this time with his body movements looks like he copied Il Duce's body language during public speeches...
@@deadpilled2942 He was always dressed very well, stayed at best hotels, bills were paid by dudes in Siberia who invented him, and gave him new identity
Lindt of dropped the ball on not even mentioning the ethnic cleansing, mass forced relocations and mass murdering of the Foibe perpetrated by the yugoslav communists. That's the main reason behind the stubbornness of the allies not to let the territory fall to yugoslavia as a strong revenge sentiment was brewing. The Italian side of the border was full of italian families that lived in the former venetian territories along the eastern adriatic coast for many centuries and were robbed of everything as well as often killed in order to remove italian claims to those areas. Also a lot of croatians that hated the communists and other anti-communist activists also ended up in italy near the border. That created a large number of people, many of the war vets with a lot of resentment and little to loose. In total there were around 300.000 to 400.000 refugees from the former italian territories + anti communist slavs that moved to the Italian border areas near Trieste.
Ethnic cleansing perpetrated by both sides: the Fascists in the 1930s implemented a policy of assimilation and successfully "Italianise' the locals (Slavs, Jews, and other ethnicities)-They forced them to speak Italian, and change their Slavic- Austrian- Hungarian surnames - This once multicultural land has been quietly and sistematically reduced to an Italian backwater
@@Alfred-oz3zy I think you don’t understand the difference between implementing language policies in a territory and systematically killing and raping peaple to get a whole group to leave their ancestral homes to slavify it
Trust, 1200 BC was established by Ancient Veneti who had their capital in Vindobona, present day Vienna and who pushed out the Illyrians. They were not Latin and Latins only came to Trieste in 1920 when President Woodrow Wilson gave Trieste to Italy. Before that we had never seen dark and short people in Trieste before.
Yay, my hometown! Plenty of bad / cuss words had a English / American origin (e.g. word for condom, in dialect, came from the "Gold One" brand of rubbers popular back then among the US troops stationed in Trieste).
@@matteotodeschini5232 haha, ciunga! Wait, wow, what a discovery! In Yugoslavia there were, maybe there still are, these chewing gums "Čunga Lunga"! Hey, and "lunga" is long in Italian, right? Was it an Italian brand? No, it had letter Č. Cashiers used to give kids Čunga Lungas instead of change.
@@ljubogin the very middle of the north of italy, across the Po river, we call it "guldòn" in dialect, and "goldone" (read as it is write!) in a italianised way...
As a triestine with origin in fiume (nowadays rikijela) im happy to see that the recent history of my city is explained.My Grandfather always tells me stories of the time he served in the italian army and even though he was a communist he disliked the yugoslav army since he lost many friends due to the teribble massacres that some of tito's partisans have done in dalmatia and in istria against the italians minorities. He told me that sometimes he has really feared that invasion and annexation of the city would result in another fiume.
Popular chant during that time in Yugoslavia "Druže Tito vedro lice, ne daj Trsta i Gorice." English: "Comrade Tito with cheerful face, don't give away Triest and Gorica."
Also Edvard We are at war with everything that's not Kardelj... Also if only we got a independent Trieste... Things would be different Will you guys talk about Süd Tirol?
I think that Trieste harbour with its deep sea floor and ideal position to serve central Europe and to profit from the suez channel was bitterly adversed from some allied power both during the first and the second World War. Of course they couldn't allow it to regain its importance as a primary trade hub under Slovenia so it was given to allied-controlled Italy (while enforcing the no-se-pol culture "you cannot" and a number of apparently self defeating decisions for city economy). This, I believe, continues today with the repulse of cinese offer to harbour the big container ships from hong kong.
In 1970 - on the occasion of Tito's official visit to Italy - parliamentary interpellations were presented by the Christian Democrat deputy Giacomo Bologna and other deputies from Missini, who were replied that on that occasion there would be no discussion of border questions. Faced with rumors according to which Italy and Yugoslavia are second in negotiations on the borders, similar interpellations were presented in February 1975 by the Christian Democrat deputies - as well as Istrian exiles - Paolo Barbi and Giacomo Bologna. The government did not admit or deny the negotiations, but remembered that after 1554 the Allies would not support claims "about places under the administration of the other country or sovereignty of the other country."
Gen.Freyburgh (NZ)directed the confrontation .There is a photo of him sending a tank forward within a few metres of Tito's troops,I think both sides didn't want blood shed.
@Scomo-maccas adventure I think Feburary has Chinese New year. And hindu new year is different for states but most fall in March and April. Persian new year happens too but I don't know the date
@Scomo-maccas adventure yeah here we follow the January I too but it's cultural that's why we celebrate it as festivals otherwise most even don't know it is hindu new year. There are other new year's too which I read but don't remember it is interesting enough. Have a nice day
Congratulations, very detailed video. Im from Trieste and my grandpas were born and live in Istria, what was zone B. Thankfully UN guaranteed minorities protection to this area upon giving it to Yugoslavia bc otherwise they'd have been forced to leave like all the rest of the Italians
Wish you would pronounce things properly. That aside... Good foundation of the story. So much more to be said about my home city and what the impact was of that chaos in the late 40s. Italy taking over was not something that many favored and led to mass departures from the city - including by my grandparents who came to Australia. This is definitely an interesting part of the world - one that has many tales to tell.
Min 0:35 "While the majority of people were Italian (...)". That's true for the city of Trieste, and the envisaged Free Territory as a whole (where around 4 in 5 people were Italian) but not for the entire region, which had a slight South Slav majority (or, at best, it was split in half in terms of population).
Well as an italian i can say thst italy treat minorities well now. The region of eich trieste is part (friuli venezia-giulia) is one of the 5 autonomous region alongside sud tirol , Valle D'aoste, sicily and sardinia. Regions like Friuli have also bilinguism wich means that in border cities like Gorizia (goric) or Trieste (triest) have both italian and slovenian written in many occasions
@@guppy719 tbh italians lived in both istria and dalmatia since the venetian repubblic times and the slav that will eventually turn inti slovenes and Croats also lived there pretty much at the same time
you have to cover the horrendous yugoslav communist crime against Italians: the foibe ethnic cleansing. Tito killed thousands of local Istrian Italian to slavify that territory.
A little technical feedback: I think the lighting of your set is a little disproportionate. Too much light on your right forehead and right cheek (your right), and not enough light on your left cheek.
The sound made by the letter R in English is difficult for foreigners. Similarly, most native English speakers cannot pronounce the rolling R in Italian or French. My advice is don't try. You do get points for having the eh at the end of Trieste.
@@ekmalsukarno2302 Yeah, you probably right. Maybe he could at least put about it just a bit in the video that explained the existence of *ASEAN* is because of the failure of *SEATO*.
"Život damo, Trst ne damo!" Or on yugoslav "We will give our lives, Trieste we wont give!". My grandfather was part of 9th Dalmatian shock brigade that liberated Trieste in 1945.
Great video. At 4:16 you got mr. Edvard Kardeljs surrname almost right: next time do it the same way, but leave out the "ye" at the end (more like Kardel and not Kardelye). Like button is now occupied
438 battles of the Isonzo River, laughs in Luigi Cadorna.
I think it was actually 437 battles of the Isonzo River, the italians tried not to choose the same Battleground too often.
Maybe if they tried a 438th battle of the Isonzo they’d make a breakthrough.
yes, it is commonly accepted that the 438th attempt would have been successful. Law of averages and all.
@@TheColdWarTV Those battles remind me of the one Blackadder quote: "doing precisely waht we've done 18 times before, is exactly the last thing they'll expect us to do this time."
haha, that is exactly what was going though my mind when that part of the script was being written
Luigi Cardona must be very proud of his "achievements".
*Trieste* : I´m Free Territory. Yay!
*Phone rings*
*Trieste* :"Hello, Free Territory of Trieste. Who am I speaking with?"
*Phone* :"Hello. This is your older cousin, Danzig."
Fiume
Does Danzig wants to do bowling?
@@Viguier89 Yes, would next sunday do?
@@Taistelukalkkuna Phone: Yes. I'll see you soon!
@@Viguier89 BANG.
"Iz no Danzig. Iz Gdansk. Do svidaniya." Click.
My parents always explained to me how they smuggled goods from Trieste to Slovenia in the former Yugoslavia. They always jokingly say that smuggling was a national sport and that the all western goods always came from Trieste.
Keep doing good work.
Greetings from Slovenia.
Trst je naš
@@domenstrmsek5625 tutti frutti trst je naš🤣
I've read somewhere that older people were ashemed of this trend and in fact none of them went there. Funny enough how they have fought against something that they descendant jokingly accepted. That's why we say "Za hlapce rojeni, za hlapce vzgojeni"
@@mrduck9608 No one in my family is ashamed to buying in Trieste, my father still has sunglasses from Trieste. The phrase for a slave born for a slave raised (za hlapca rojeni za hlapca vzgojeni) is, for me personally, one of the dumest sentence in Slovenian history. Man becomes a slave himself if he allows it.
@@anzelukman5254 seveda nisem namigoval na tvojega očeta ali na tvojo družino. Vprašaj ga vseeno če je tudi starejša generacija kupovala v Trstu (npr. tvoj dedek ali pradedek) in kakšno je blo mnenje te glede na tedanjo mladino, ki je hodila kupovati čez mejo.
True story: My grandfather was mobilized to fight in Trieste for yugoslavia, however italy and yugoslavia agreed to divide the territory and war was avoided. He said that was the most tense moment of his life until 1990s. A very informative episode. Greetings from an albanian 🇦🇱.
Hi Arjan....My Father was a New Zealander tank driver at the time. There was a bit of a stand off???
Hi Arjan my father was also mobilised to defend Trieste in 1975 for yugoslavia
My father was avio-mechanic in Yugolsav army in 1973. and he was tranformed into paratrooper over the night and everything was prepared for battle in 1973.
They gave him a german paratroopers machine gun what was from the WW2, and he says that was a really cool weapon.
We didn't split the territory, the english did
Oh man... my dad certainly hasn’t forgotten about it
did he live there or serve there with the armed forces?
@@TheColdWarTV he lived in Yugoslavia (what’s now Montenegro)
My grandfather, Umberto Figlietti, was conscripted into the Alpini in 1915, at the age of 15. 4th Alpini Regiment, Ivrea Battalion. He was shot in the leg, sent to Libya for rehabilitation, and was returned to the front. He lost two brothers in those mountains, Giuseppe and Stefano. My father, Joseph Steven, has his cappello alpini. My grandmother’s will has the cappello to be passed down in male descending order.
my father was in Trieste for a few years in those times as part of Yugoslav forces. He told me that they where given orders to march through town chanting "Trieste is ours". He learned Italian during those years. Had a contact with allied forces , was shown USA tanks which he was very impressed about. First time saw a black person. He fell in love with Jeep and got a nick name from that period, friends called him Jeep many years later.
@@davefiglietti664 my grandfather served in the Bosnian Regiment of KundK army and the were fighting during WWI little northern.
I am watching from Trieste... Great vid as always!!!
Me too :)
i'm watching it from Trst
Viva il TLT ed il capo in B
Thanks for watching!
Is it really pronounced triest-a?
I had the absolute worst hangover/migraine/heatstroke of my life while passing through Trieste on a US Army bus on the way to a nearby airbase. We ended up on a vast stretch of tarmac without any shelter waiting in the blazing sun as they attempted to fix some balky engines on the C 130 that was to fly us and our Sargeant missile to Crete for a practice firing.
Four hours of roaring jets and 105° heat, no water, no shade and no sympathy we finally boarded and lifted off, which was cooler but no quieter. A half hour out over the Aegean and every alarm on the plane, including a klaxon began bellowing and bleating, causing us to return to the airbase. We were taken somewhere (I have no idea where) for dinner and a night's sleep while the plane was fixed, aspirin and water were available and my headache finally subsided. that was 50 years ago and without a doubt the worst pain I have ever experienced.
So for me, the reputedly lovely city of Trieste is a memory of hell. Crete was really nice though.
Oh man.... I've heard of many war time stories of soldiers enduring and surviving the blood bath of Stalingrad, D-Day landings in Normandy, raising of the flag in Iwo Jima, the German final stand in Berlin... but your tale of the "Trieste Hangover" tops it all! I think they should do a whole separate segment with a 4-hour/2-part special how you managed to endure all that pain and survive that hell on Earth. Needless to say, a Purple Heart or at least a Congressional Medal for Bravery is in order for you to receive by the President and the Chairman of The Joint Chiefs of Staff. 😂
@robertbauer3419 I left out the part about passing out on the bus ride there and waking up, haltingly to everybody laughing and pointing at me. I had drooled the entire front of my shiny starched fatigues with the dark stain of shame.
I make no claim to valor, but that was only my second full-blown migraine, first with a hangover. I'm no snowflake and have pushed my physical abilities farther than most, but a novice migraine experience under very adverse conditions is truly humbling.
Old man, revolted about his teenage grandson lifestyle, spending all day on computer chatting with his friends and playing video games, once stormed in his room and shouted: "when I was of your age I went to Trieste, entered largest tavern in town, drank everything they had, ate everything they had, jumped on the table and piss all around and exit not paying a dime, and look at you! LOOK AT YOU!!!" and goes back, all fuming. "Hey, that's a nice idea for having a good time", his grandson thought... After some time guy goes to a trip, and several days later went back, full of bruises. Naturally, his family was startled and asked him what happened? He pointed at grandpa and said "grumps, I did everything you have done, went to Trieste and entered largest tavern in town, drank everything they had, ate everything they had, and when I've jumped on the table and tried to piss all around suddenly waiters and cops rushed in and started to beat all of us like there's no tomorrow." "All of you? With whom did you went there?" "With my online friends... and you?" "Me? I was there with partisans."
Ha ha that was a good one.
im german and we have the same joke about paris. lmao
@@Tragantar1310 many nations probably has it's own version, this is a Yugoslav one.
Istria was and still is a complicated area. My parents were born under Italian birth certificates and my Grandparents under Austrian-Hungarian. In late '45 my parents were able to run and smuggle themselves over the border to avoid Yugoslavia's socialism into Trieste. From there they were treated like shit, cause they were 'Yugoslav'. So the became refugees and came to Australia, where they were also treated like shit because they "Slavs".
My father had spent 2 years in Dachau because he was a Slav as a slave worker, my grandfather was executed (I never met him). I never got to meet many of my relatives because they were executed or worked as slaves to death because of their race. So color of skin is not the only marker for racisms, shape of nose, forehead, jaw line and a few other features are also markers.
Like I said at the beginning, a very complicated place.
Same story here my father and his sister came to Sydney for a better life. All my father would tell me is how hard it was for him the people would call him a bloody (WOG) police would harass him because of his surname and country of birth. He said he only got most jobs that True Aussies wouldn't do because it was to dangerous.
20 stories high no scaffolding laying bricks from 1 building 2 another just leaning over nothing to stop him from falling. Sadly he moved back home (Slovenia) sometimes I feel ashamed to call myself an Aussie!
Great video as always, but you could have mentioned that border tensions were there since the inception of the Yugoslav State at the end of WW1 - as disputes around Fiume and the Dalmatian coast were never quite resolved until 1945.
Dutch guy watched this in Trieste today. Thank you, much appreciated.
It wasn't forgotten by my dad....he tried to explain to me ( when I was 10 ) why Trieste was Italian ..... I wasn't at all interested and now think that he knew about such esoteric bits of history because he had been a Dakota pilot and would have been livid at the murder of the helpless crew in that DC3.
They were violating Yugoslavian air space, there were also several small skirmishes between USA American and Yugoslavian foot patrols - most of the dead were on the Yugoslavian side. Western allies, especially Americans, were shielding Italian war criminals who were never prosecuted because of the cold war... Countryside that Italians got, around the Trst (Trieste) and Gorica (Gorizia) was almost completely Slovenian.
@@valentintapata2268 countryside with a 10th of the popoulation... :D still now you are going to spread this unilateral and biased views about all this story? make peace with yourself! there is only TRIESTE and there is GORIZIA and NOVA GORICA. there is no more border, there is not anymore nothing to argue, put your head under cool water.
@@Guiscardo777 Cal down, it seems that you are in need of cold water not me.
@@valentintapata2268 not at all, all those are things of the past, now we are in peace and only stupids boast to get back Istria or Slavs taking Trieste. Keep aside unreasonable butthurt and get over it. It is stuff of another era.
Trst and Gorica are both italian. It's a shame we let fascist like your father survive
In Slovenia there is a famous story how border negotiations decided the border between Yugoslavia and Italy. All sides were in a disagreement, so somebody suggested that armies of both nations fight for 24 hours. Wherever the frontline moves after 24 hours, this would be the new border. So Great Britain agreed, then USA agreed, then Soviet Union agreed, then they asked France and it strongly opposed the idea. So other nation asked France why it opposed this idea so much. And French president answered: “We don’t want to share border with Yugoslavia”
We should of get their nose bloody, while we still could.
Still you didn't get Trieste 😂😂
@@gismarco449 you actually know that west called and were begging tito not to attack right?
it is totally stupid to be still butthurt today. put your heads under a cool shower.
@@Lawrance_of_Albania only when they were defeated and on knee eh? Try now.. :D :D :D
I knew there was an issue over Trieste after the world wars, but didn't know about the details and never really bothered to look it up. It kinda faded from my history-minded memory. But I have to say it is an interesting issue and episode of the cold war and I'm glad I finally know more of these details. Thank you for enlightening me!
The ending soundtrack gives this series so much personality
After 1954 Trieste became a Boom town each weekend thousands of "Sciavi" as we call the Yugoslavians flooded ours streets buying goods that were resold as far as Russia. There was money everywhere, those were the good old days and it all came to an end with the fall of communism.
Actually Trst began to fall into disrepair at that time. As its industrial base was systematically dismantled. So there was a mini boom for some shopkeepers. It was less of boom but part of the wave of the Italian economic miracle.
@Mike Dawson My dad (Italian here) told me about how some people coming to buy stuff here in Trieste often found very creative ways to snuck money past the border (I reckon that there was a set amount you could carry with you by law), including folks shoving rolled-up bundles of cash up their ass. Yes, I'm dead serious.
Like two weeks ago i did a seminar paper to university about Slovenia, mentioning Trieste xD
Fascinating video as always Cold War and Kings & Generals crew! Great coverage of these long forgotten histories!
this was a very interesting subject to learn
i can only imagine if during the Suez Crisis, it would have formed an "Free Territory of Suez"
I would wager The Suez is a much more valuable piece of territory. I doubt they would have been able to pull it off.
Nice Futurama reference there! ;)
Good news, everyone!
I am Bender. Please insert Girder.
Excellent content ✨
My dad was deployed near Trieste during the period he served in the Italian army during the cold war (I think during the 70s or 80s).
He used to drive an M113, but by what he usually says, it was more fun than anything for him, as he lived to drive it around
I am literally a child of the Cold War and Trieste, father a British soldier and mother a local Italian.
So you are happy kid of these times, nice!
He is not wrong about the Battles of the Isonzo river. Soooo many battles that resulted in almost nothing but loss of life.
Love waking up to a new Video
Do you guys have anything about northern Transylvania after WW2, because I know it was in the hands of Hungary during the war
Great video ! Greetings from the beautiful Trieste ❤
Interesting and very well made documentary...as always! Greetings from someone currently living in Trieste!
Love this channel!
Glad you enjoy it!
There's nothing more permanent than a temporary solution
What a channel. Such a great way to learn about the history without additional mythomania surrounding the brake up of Yugoslavia.
Saturday already?
438 battles of the Isonzo River. OUCH!!!!! (not far off though - hehehe).
I appreciate that in the post WW2 period, there was a big division between the west (US backed) block and east (USSR backed / oppressed by) block.
I think that a dimension being missed in this video is that after the immediate end of WW2, Yugoslavia fought hard to, and succeeded in being, non-aligned. Perhaps the west would have fought harder for Trieste if it would have ended up being part of the Warsaw Pact block.
My maternal grandfather was posted to Trieste as part of his National Service and as a Royal Engineers corporal. He was having coffee in a cafe one day when a car sped up and a grenade was thrown at his table. It bounced off the table and behind a water butt of some kind which muffled the explosion and there were no fatalities. Gramps reportedly decided not to finish his coffee - but still paid the tab.
Gramps passed away a few years ago, and I take his National Service medal - proudly displaying his ‘Trieste’ bar- to the National Memorial Arboretum in the UK each year to remember all those who didn’t come back as part of Ride To The Wall.
I always enjoy the creativity of the channel team in connecting the theme of the video with campaign to press the bell button!
Alot of Yugoslavs went shopping in Trieste, our grandparents left us stuff from there
Mostly crap, which anyway proved that Titowonderland was indeed partially economic failure.
1:41 Italy destroyed AH. Unlike uk, who hid and wait, Italy usually fight its war, successfully or not, but Italians fight
Scary part is you can be sure to see this again after future conflicts . The hope is it doesn't go horribly wrong which things like this have been prone to in the history of warfare and the " peacetime" that follows it .
It's been a while since the last time I've watched one of your videos, it looks like your content greatly improved in the last year!
10:44 Many times Tito with his white suits and medals reminded me of the Goering, this time with his body movements looks like he copied Il Duce's body language during public speeches...
"The Goering" sounds like a boss monster in a german horror game; picture a rotund ball of flesh and fat...
Now that you mention it, Tito was the first communist dictator that didn't wear work clothes.
And wearing his coat draped over his shoulders is an annoying affectation.
@@deadpilled2942 He was always dressed very well, stayed at best hotels, bills were paid by dudes in Siberia who invented him, and gave him new identity
People who skipped TGW: What? 438 battles of the Isonzo?
You should have specified that TGW is a prerequisite to this course.
Better than the 500 battles in Somme and Verdun
2:02 Il Douche-uh. What an interesting mispronunciation.
Who said it was a mispronunciation?
@@TheColdWarTV Well, it was definitely accurate.
Never clicked on a video so fast in my life!
Saluti da Trieste!
Il Douche, hahahaha as an Italian speaker I forgive you for this one, it's funny and perfect.
Lindt of dropped the ball on not even mentioning the ethnic cleansing, mass forced relocations and mass murdering of the Foibe perpetrated by the yugoslav communists. That's the main reason behind the stubbornness of the allies not to let the territory fall to yugoslavia as a strong revenge sentiment was brewing. The Italian side of the border was full of italian families that lived in the former venetian territories along the eastern adriatic coast for many centuries and were robbed of everything as well as often killed in order to remove italian claims to those areas. Also a lot of croatians that hated the communists and other anti-communist activists also ended up in italy near the border. That created a large number of people, many of the war vets with a lot of resentment and little to loose.
In total there were around 300.000 to 400.000 refugees from the former italian territories + anti communist slavs that moved to the Italian border areas near Trieste.
Ethnic cleansing perpetrated by both sides: the Fascists in the 1930s implemented a policy of assimilation and successfully "Italianise' the locals (Slavs, Jews, and other ethnicities)-They forced them to speak Italian, and change their Slavic- Austrian- Hungarian surnames - This once multicultural land has been quietly and sistematically reduced to an Italian backwater
@@Alfred-oz3zy I think you don’t understand the difference between implementing language policies in a territory and systematically killing and raping peaple to get a whole group to leave their ancestral homes to slavify it
@@didonegiuliano3547 It was a bit more than 'language policies'
@@Alfred-oz3zy it was still not comparable with mass ethnic cleansing of a pre-existing population.
Well it's funny how I had an exam on this topic 3 days ago, and I was searching for info, and you published this video 1 day after the exam finished
sorry we were late XD how did the exam go?
Very interesting.I ve learned a lot Txs
Trust, 1200 BC was established by Ancient Veneti who had their capital in Vindobona, present day Vienna and who pushed out the Illyrians. They were not Latin and Latins only came to Trieste in 1920 when President Woodrow Wilson gave Trieste to Italy. Before that we had never seen dark and short people in Trieste before.
No dissing David he is a cool presenter. But for some reason i like Kings and Generals format of saying story.
Awesome! Also yr relaxing english is a surplus
Istria je Italija.
Yay, my hometown! Plenty of bad / cuss words had a English / American origin (e.g. word for condom, in dialect, came from the "Gold One" brand of rubbers popular back then among the US troops stationed in Trieste).
also in Veneto ahahah, same as chewing gum that in Veronese dialect is "ciunga"
@@matteotodeschini5232 haha, ciunga! Wait, wow, what a discovery! In Yugoslavia there were, maybe there still are, these chewing gums "Čunga Lunga"! Hey, and "lunga" is long in Italian, right? Was it an Italian brand? No, it had letter Č.
Cashiers used to give kids Čunga Lungas instead of change.
Hej, in Dubrovnik, southern Croatia, we say "goldun", haha! So it comes from Gold one! Good one!
@@ljubogin the very middle of the north of italy, across the Po river, we call it "guldòn" in dialect, and "goldone" (read as it is write!) in a italianised way...
I live to hear the various ways David finds to say "press the bell button".
Oh, and yeah the cold war content is a nice bonus.
O-press the bell button ;)
The idea of pressing the button on a channel involving the Cold War is chilling in and of itself
As a triestine with origin in fiume (nowadays rikijela) im happy to see that the recent history of my city is explained.My Grandfather always tells me stories of the time he served in the italian army and even though he was a communist he disliked the yugoslav army since he lost many friends due to the teribble massacres that some of tito's partisans have done in dalmatia and in istria against the italians minorities. He told me that sometimes he has really feared that invasion and annexation of the city would result in another fiume.
Popular chant during that time in Yugoslavia
"Druže Tito vedro lice,
ne daj Trsta i Gorice."
English:
"Comrade Tito with cheerful face, don't give away Triest and Gorica."
Very interesting video
Also Edvard We are at war with everything that's not Kardelj...
Also if only we got a independent Trieste... Things would be different
Will you guys talk about Süd Tirol?
I think that Trieste harbour with its deep sea floor and ideal position to serve central Europe and to profit from the suez channel was bitterly adversed from some allied power both during the first and the second World War. Of course they couldn't allow it to regain its importance as a primary trade hub under Slovenia so it was given to allied-controlled Italy (while enforcing the no-se-pol culture "you cannot" and a number of apparently self defeating decisions for city economy). This, I believe, continues today with the repulse of cinese offer to harbour the big container ships from hong kong.
We have the oldest first film,of Trieste&it proof shows,its where first submarine was built UK US want claim to fame to it but it wasTrieste.
Been fighting over this since before the punic wars...as the Romans had issues on their way to take over Greece on their way to deal anatolia(Turkey)
Is there still a night bus from Trst to Dubrovnik?
Trieste, Gorizia, Caporetto Istria e Dalmazia rightful Italian 🇮🇹
Trieste, Gorizia, Caporetto, Istria e Dalmazia are 🇮🇹, even stones speak Italian there!
Come and take them, you filthy wops 🇭🇷🇸🇮
A cool idea would be to do a vid about the 1967 military coup in Greece sponsored by the good old USa
My Uncle was was there with the first NZ troops in WW2, some tense standoffs he said guns raised.
In 1970 - on the occasion of Tito's official visit to Italy - parliamentary interpellations were presented by the Christian Democrat deputy Giacomo Bologna and other deputies from Missini, who were replied that on that occasion there would be no discussion of border questions. Faced with rumors according to which Italy and Yugoslavia are second in negotiations on the borders, similar interpellations were presented in February 1975 by the Christian Democrat deputies - as well as Istrian exiles - Paolo Barbi and Giacomo Bologna. The government did not admit or deny the negotiations, but remembered that after 1554 the Allies would not support claims "about places under the administration of the other country or sovereignty of the other country."
Gen.Freyburgh (NZ)directed the confrontation .There is a photo of him sending a tank forward within a few metres of Tito's troops,I think both sides didn't want blood shed.
When are we gonna enter the 60s ? By the way happy new year.For a second I forgot it was saturday then I saw your notification.
@Scomo-maccas adventure Well I sort of wished. I mean I know it's a month late but still .
@Scomo-maccas adventure I think Feburary has Chinese New year. And hindu new year is different for states but most fall in March and April. Persian new year happens too but I don't know the date
@Scomo-maccas adventure yeah here we follow the January I too but it's cultural that's why we celebrate it as festivals otherwise most even don't know it is hindu new year. There are other new year's too which I read but don't remember it is interesting enough. Have a nice day
Happy New Year!
@Scomo-maccas adventure Lol.
Trieste ❤
Trst 🇸🇮❤️
My grandpa was actually stationed in Trieste during the crisis, since he was part of the Yugoslav army.
Congratulations, very detailed video. Im from Trieste and my grandpas were born and live in Istria, what was zone B.
Thankfully UN guaranteed minorities protection to this area upon giving it to Yugoslavia bc otherwise they'd have been forced to leave like all the rest of the Italians
Anch’io sono di Trieste e i nonni dall’Istria. Mia nonna era di pola e mio nonno è di Capodistria
Too bad that Italy does not respect that treaty.
what the name of the piece of music from approx 12:13 to the end ?
Wish you would pronounce things properly. That aside...
Good foundation of the story. So much more to be said about my home city and what the impact was of that chaos in the late 40s. Italy taking over was not something that many favored and led to mass departures from the city - including by my grandparents who came to Australia. This is definitely an interesting part of the world - one that has many tales to tell.
I only discovered about Trieste today.
Episode suggestions, Tito-Stalin split and formation of Nonaligment movement
You did not mention the foibe
Min 0:35 "While the majority of people were Italian (...)". That's true for the city of Trieste, and the envisaged Free Territory as a whole (where around 4 in 5 people were Italian) but not for the entire region, which had a slight South Slav majority (or, at best, it was split in half in terms of population).
Agree with you only a city
The entire karst was and still is majority slovenian. The city itself is majority Italian, but with a minority of slovenians and italo-slovenians
The region had an italian majority. Look at the 1921 census
@@sator3946 In 1921 Italy controlled the territory and did the census, so... lol
@@jansaugo5680 In 1910 austrian-hungarian (which supported slavs) controlled the territory, so...
A little tip: Put a map up vey early in the presentation so we know what area you're talking about.
Both sides must take minorities seriously and not discriminate.
Lets hope for individual freedom and peace forever.
Or just make sure you keep minorities out in the first place. Same shit with Kosovo.
Well as an italian i can say thst italy treat minorities well now. The region of eich trieste is part (friuli venezia-giulia) is one of the 5 autonomous region alongside sud tirol , Valle D'aoste, sicily and sardinia. Regions like Friuli have also bilinguism wich means that in border cities like Gorizia (goric) or Trieste (triest) have both italian and slovenian written in many occasions
@@guppy719 tbh italians lived in both istria and dalmatia since the venetian repubblic times and the slav that will eventually turn inti slovenes and Croats also lived there pretty much at the same time
In English it is pronounced /triˈɛst/ tree-EST
Does anyone know the song that plays at the end?
At 2:02 Il Duce becomes "Il Douche", nice touch XD
2:02 Très élégant. 🙄 3:20 "De jure," not to be confused with "du jour." 🙄
you have to cover the horrendous yugoslav communist crime against Italians: the foibe ethnic cleansing. Tito killed thousands of local Istrian Italian to slavify that territory.
What about the ustase genocide, where the Italians killed hundreds of thousands of south Slavs?
@@hello7522ustacia were croatian and probably killed by other slavs
@@NoName-hg6cc So… who began the invasion that lead to the rise of the Utase?
@@hello7522 Then why would they kill ustacia, which were mostly an independent group?
@@NoName-hg6cc Kill Utase?? No, the Utase organized the genocide. Which were put into place because of Italy
A little technical feedback: I think the lighting of your set is a little disproportionate. Too much light on your right forehead and right cheek (your right), and not enough light on your left cheek.
This channel shines light on history.
Lol futurama reference
I'Ve just learned Trieste is pronounced Triesta
Nice vid love you cold war
thank you! We love you too
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Side note. Birthplace of Mario Andretti.
2:40 was he the very model of a modern major general
I read the disputed port as sad.
The sound made by the letter R in English is difficult for foreigners. Similarly, most native English speakers cannot pronounce the rolling R in Italian or French. My advice is don't try. You do get points for having the eh at the end of Trieste.
Can you please make a video about Thailand during the Cold War. Thank you very much.
SEATO and ASEAN?
Slowly they will cover everything we have to just remind or make them learn about other events.
@@SiPakRubah As much as I would love for The Cold War to cover both topics, I have a bad feeling that he will only make a video on SEATO.
@@ekmalsukarno2302 Yeah, you probably right. Maybe he could at least put about it just a bit in the video that explained the existence of *ASEAN* is because of the failure of *SEATO*.
we did a video on SEATO already and will get to ASEAN, but since it was founded in the 60s, we haven't hit that in the chronology as of yet
"Život damo, Trst ne damo!" Or on yugoslav "We will give our lives, Trieste we wont give!".
My grandfather was part of 9th Dalmatian shock brigade that liberated Trieste in 1945.
My was a tank commander, 1st Tank Battalion, 2nd Prekomorska brigade.
""""liberated"""""
@@gismarco449 Liberated.
@@gasperpoklukar8372 no they were not liberated
If a city is under occupation and you force the occupiers out, it is called liberation
The Cold War that almost went hot and close to WW3 was the Cuban missile crisis.
Trieste, Caporetto, Gorizia, Istria e Dalmazia nè Slovenia né Croazia
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And this is reason is why our battle cry is "Trst je naš".
Greetings from Slovenia
Do u know it won't ever be yours
Gorica pa še bo!
@@gismarco449 yeah until friuli breaks away
Istria, Caporetto e Dalmazia, né Slovenia né Croazia
@@gismarco449 We know… It’s more of a joke than anything.
Great video. At 4:16 you got mr. Edvard Kardeljs surrname almost right: next time do it the same way, but leave out the "ye" at the end (more like Kardel and not Kardelye).
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