Yea, I was surprised by the production value of this video. Seemed as if there was a professional director, cameraman, etc. with professional level equipment making some commercial or whatever.
Thank you Rob, this is the review of this bike that I've been waiting for. So far only limited european reviews available. I think this might just be the bike to encourage me off my short travel analog onto an emtb 😀
5,5K are not "great value", it is more than many could bear. And all the cables through the headset is a real pity - it will be so much more difficult to make the repairs in the future. But the bike seems nice to drive and cube makes good bikes - you video was as always Rob very well done!
I used to have similar thinking with internal headset cable routing, but after building a gravel bike with it and dealing with my wife's e-bike that has it, I found it adds a marginal amount of complexity to the the headache that is internal cable routing. I did not find it too awful to deal with. However, 5500 pounds....yikes. That is a lot of money.
@@growlith6969 Yes same. For the money, might as well go all the way to full power. I bought a 55nm hardtail for my father, but it was only $1K US on closeout and he sticks to canal paths. Given how much smaller full power motors are starting to get, I don't get lightweight E-MTBs at all. They are not even that much lighter!
def looks nicer than the Norco with the same unit, also being a shorter rider I'd be inclined to mullet this bike, which would nicely slacken the Ht a bees also, Cubes are a very good value for money bike hands down.
DJI is almost double the price, in Europe Cube and Radon both germans have zero,zero competition anything else is being swindled, a full shimano XT full fox factory bosch cx4 160-150mm emtb for me in my low tax state is the equivalent of 5200$ any other brand same spec it's 9-12'000
I worked at Cube in Germany for a while. For me it looks so weird seeing a guy make a professional video about a bike that was put together by people who knowbs nothing about how a bike should be put together. Yet somehow cube still manages to keep going while paying minimum vages and forcing overtime 😢 great video tho!
@@somerandomperson8282my 2022 160 SL is another one.. motor mounts made from papermaché and hopes and dreams… utter pile of crap, and Frame warranty rejected by Cube due to, in their words “wear and tear from using the bike”… on an 20 month old bike! #vorsprundeutschfuckedit!
I have owned this very light e-bike for a couple of months, primarily using it for all-mountain and enduro riding on Alpine single tracks. It's a highly capable machine, though calling it a "mini enduro" might be a bit of an overstatement :) While it can handle challenging enduro sections with ease, it requires skillful riding. As Rob noted, it tends to generate significant speed and isn't very forgiving. However, I wouldn't describe it as "nervous." Perhaps "razor-sharp, requiring precision" would be more accurate. The Bosch SX motor provides plenty of power - you can do most of the things you usually do with a full-power bike, but with considerably more effort and by significantly increasing your pedaling cadence. The walk mode is extraordinarily powerful, decidedly more so than the walk mode of the Bosch gen 4 (not Smart System) on the full-power e-bike I own, a 2020 Orbea Wild. The main issue with this e-bike by Cube lies with the stock braking system, which is woefully inadequate - spongy (despite repeated bleeding) and lacking power. This is due to both the brake model (MT Trail Carbon, featuring 4-piston MT7 calipers on the front and 2-piston MT8 calipers on the rear) and the brake discs (180mm, which Cube, for some inexplicable reason, even installs on their analog enduro models - ONE55 and ONE77!). Upon receiving the bike, I implemented the following improvements (which Rob also suggested): 1) Increased the fork length to 150mm (by changing the air shaft) to improve downhill capabilities, achieving approximately a 65° head angle; 2) Swapped the rear disc to 203mm while retaining the MT Trail Carbon (which resulted in minimal improvement); 3) Installed 4-piston MT7 calipers on the rear (again, with little improvement). Finally, I replaced the entire brake system with a classic pair of reliable Shimano XT BR-8120 brakes (which I have on my Orbea Wild). This completely changed the braking performance, eliminating forearm and hand fatigue during rides. It's disappointing that such an expensive bike is sold with such an undersized braking system (MT Trail Carbon). P.S. I am familiar with Magura brake systems. I have MT5 brakes on my front enduro bike, which I think I'll keep as they work fairly well. I also had MT7 brakes installed on my analog enduro - a 2020 Trek Slash that I've upgraded significantly over the years. Over time, the MT7s have often given me problems, showing poor reliability and being difficult to bleed. So I took the opportunity to replace these as well with Shimano XT brakes.
You could have gone with just installing the Shimano XT levers paired with those calipers. I'm quite heavy and this combination works pretty sweet for me (4p front, 2p rear). I tried them with stock Magura levers and indeed there was plenty or arm-pump.
I did a test ride on this thing. It's definitely the noisiest bike of the decade. Amount of rattle on decents was absolutely terrible. For the price of 8000k Euros that's absolutely unacceptable.
I've sat on this bike and rode it for a while at the shop. Have anyone noticed, that the rear triangle is so poor designed and built, that the tyre literally touches the frame? It's so soft that you can do it just by hands! Can't imagine what it feels like riding it downhill...
don't get too hyped I'm not an expert in mtb nor emtb (other than changing the fork and shock myself I didn't do much) but I did a lot more on car engines and a comment from a ebike mechanic struck home...small engines overheat more, heat needs surface to be cooled small powerful engines without drawbacks will never exist that's one of the reason Intel computer processor are so hot you can't cool 300w with less than a pinky finger nail surface, TQ engine is known for this already I believe
@@fredEVOIX you raise some great points re size and hear dissipation. We’ve seen these problems with electric motors in other applications such as power tools and it remains to be seen how good the DJI set up is in real life. It’s why I am sitting back and enjoying my Bosch CX gen 4 for a while longer before I invest in the DJI set up. I’ll let others test and prove the gen 1 DJI and I’ll be waiting for when/if we have some results that say it’s as good as the manufacturer says it is. But on paper I think the Bosch SX could be obsolete if gen 1 DJI Avinox hits the spot.
Yes, cooling has always been an issue with any hi output motor, however at the size of that motor it seems that would have been addressed, and if not, it could be easy to address. LOL, my guess we will have water cooled with pinion type gear box systems in the works soon. Just guessing, but I hope so.
115kg total weight (including bike), but whats odd is that their documentation indicates that if you swap out the default saddle the total weight capacity goes up to 135kg.
55nm is PLENTY of ASSIST for an e-bike and suites all the use profiles my wife and I have for riding single tracks and bike packing.. The big motor e-bikes just don’t make sense to me when I can buy a Honda 150 for $3K.
Weight limits are imposed because of the seat the bike comes with. Change the seat to an aftermarket unit and the next limit you need to account for is your skills 😂
hello ! I planned to buy a stereo hybrid 160 action team 27.5" what else did you think of your 160 ? I currently ride an old XC 120mm 27.5" regular mtb but want something with more travel but still not sure about the 160 with 27.5" vs the 140 with 29" I don't want another XC bike I want an emtb to reach rougher mountain trails with relatively large rocks and roots
Regarding the Bosch app, is it possible to use the app to customize the riding profile so that less cadence is required to unleash the 600 watts of power? I would think that must be some kind of software based, even if in the firmware?
It's a real shame that these models are equipped with the outdated fox fork and dropper. Pretty much the same month these bikes came out was the same time that Fox launched their 2025 fork and dropper models. I wonder if Cube will implement rolling changes on future builds that leave the factory or whether they took up Fox on a mega pricing for outgoing 2024 kit?
It looks nice but I wouldn’t buy it. Bosch need to redesign the motor to stop that rattle you get on rough terrain. I had a full powered Bosch and was glad to sell it on because of the rattle. I now own a Fuel exe and love it. If other motor manufacturers can make motors that don’t rattle, I’m sure Bosch can.
Bad timing - not Cube’s fault. The prospect of DJI, ZF and even Bafang motors pumping out significantly more power - dims the enthusiasm a bit. Not value for money.
Why? It has 600 watts peak. I tested the bike and for me it has much more power than I want from a bike. It's not expensive if you compare it to other bikes with a similar build.
Man you got to do another cheab build with the buffang m820 it has 75 nm but the videos I watched people say it feels like a full power. One guy even snapped a chain ⛓️
According to if here bit.ly/4c1Epzh - if you change the stock saddle, it can allow 135KG "The specified saddle limits the max. rider and bike weight to 115 kg -> when replacing with a saddle with a higher load capacity, the value increases up to *2 135 kg "
@@RobRidesEMTB good info thanks well as a heavy 100kgs 220lbs guy I don't know how people can ride on oem saddles lol I have a granpa saddle wide with lot of gel ahaha
get the rough specs of the gearset motor fork shock and go compare other brands you will be shocked as they are same spec around 10'000 Cube you get enthusiast top spec for almost half the price, your mistake here is wanting a lightweight emtb 1st it doesn't make sense buy a full power or pedal yourself (like I currently do I did 54miles 5000ft with 220lbs of fat and no motor) 2nd lightweight is the "latest trend" so you pay extra for less >< you can get an actually better but slightly heavier ebike for much less
Really nice videography and quality exposure and lighting - this is not easy, I know. Nice work Rob and camera person too!
Yea, I was surprised by the production value of this video. Seemed as if there was a professional director, cameraman, etc. with professional level equipment making some commercial or whatever.
Thanks! Will Greenfield (from the podcast) shoots all these vids!
@@RobRidesEMTB I agree, it is top-notch videography. It feels like a car review.
I don't even have a bike . I watch because the videos are so cool 😎
and the passion that the presenter has too, nerding out about bikes with a smile and riding with style. Not bad Englishman
Thank you Rob, this is the review of this bike that I've been waiting for. So far only limited european reviews available. I think this might just be the bike to encourage me off my short travel analog onto an emtb 😀
quality video & filming Rob.
I'm waiting for you to do a One 55, it's probably the one I'm looking for as i already have a Trek Exe, great review as usual!
5,5K are not "great value", it is more than many could bear. And all the cables through the headset is a real pity - it will be so much more difficult to make the repairs in the future.
But the bike seems nice to drive and cube makes good bikes - you video was as always Rob very well done!
I used to have similar thinking with internal headset cable routing, but after building a gravel bike with it and dealing with my wife's e-bike that has it, I found it adds a marginal amount of complexity to the the headache that is internal cable routing. I did not find it too awful to deal with. However, 5500 pounds....yikes. That is a lot of money.
This fits in the low power class for me. No interest at all.
@@growlith6969 Yes same. For the money, might as well go all the way to full power. I bought a 55nm hardtail for my father, but it was only $1K US on closeout and he sticks to canal paths. Given how much smaller full power motors are starting to get, I don't get lightweight E-MTBs at all. They are not even that much lighter!
def looks nicer than the Norco with the same unit, also being a shorter rider I'd be inclined to mullet this bike, which would nicely slacken the Ht a bees also, Cubes are a very good value for money bike hands down.
Yea…. But DJI AMFLOW!
DJI is almost double the price, in Europe Cube and Radon both germans have zero,zero competition anything else is being swindled, a full shimano XT full fox factory bosch cx4 160-150mm emtb for me in my low tax state is the equivalent of 5200$ any other brand same spec it's 9-12'000
I worked at Cube in Germany for a while. For me it looks so weird seeing a guy make a professional video about a bike that was put together by people who knowbs nothing about how a bike should be put together. Yet somehow cube still manages to keep going while paying minimum vages and forcing overtime 😢 great video tho!
My 2021 cube HPC140 Stereo Hybrid Action Team is living proof that Cube knew nothing about bike geometry in 2021.
@@somerandomperson8282my 2022 160 SL is another one.. motor mounts made from papermaché and hopes and dreams… utter pile of crap, and Frame warranty rejected by Cube due to, in their words “wear and tear from using the bike”… on an 20 month old bike! #vorsprundeutschfuckedit!
So you bought a bike without checking geo spec?
@@p.k.7111 of course because at the time i wasn't educated on that kind of thing, most people aren't.
So Germany is not start-up friendly?
Damn it Nicholasisernhangen. 😅. Fair play mate!
I have owned this very light e-bike for a couple of months, primarily using it for all-mountain and enduro riding on Alpine single tracks. It's a highly capable machine, though calling it a "mini enduro" might be a bit of an overstatement :) While it can handle challenging enduro sections with ease, it requires skillful riding. As Rob noted, it tends to generate significant speed and isn't very forgiving. However, I wouldn't describe it as "nervous." Perhaps "razor-sharp, requiring precision" would be more accurate.
The Bosch SX motor provides plenty of power - you can do most of the things you usually do with a full-power bike, but with considerably more effort and by significantly increasing your pedaling cadence. The walk mode is extraordinarily powerful, decidedly more so than the walk mode of the Bosch gen 4 (not Smart System) on the full-power e-bike I own, a 2020 Orbea Wild.
The main issue with this e-bike by Cube lies with the stock braking system, which is woefully inadequate - spongy (despite repeated bleeding) and lacking power. This is due to both the brake model (MT Trail Carbon, featuring 4-piston MT7 calipers on the front and 2-piston MT8 calipers on the rear) and the brake discs (180mm, which Cube, for some inexplicable reason, even installs on their analog enduro models - ONE55 and ONE77!).
Upon receiving the bike, I implemented the following improvements (which Rob also suggested): 1) Increased the fork length to 150mm (by changing the air shaft) to improve downhill capabilities, achieving approximately a 65° head angle; 2) Swapped the rear disc to 203mm while retaining the MT Trail Carbon (which resulted in minimal improvement); 3) Installed 4-piston MT7 calipers on the rear (again, with little improvement).
Finally, I replaced the entire brake system with a classic pair of reliable Shimano XT BR-8120 brakes (which I have on my Orbea Wild). This completely changed the braking performance, eliminating forearm and hand fatigue during rides. It's disappointing that such an expensive bike is sold with such an undersized braking system (MT Trail Carbon).
P.S. I am familiar with Magura brake systems. I have MT5 brakes on my front enduro bike, which I think I'll keep as they work fairly well. I also had MT7 brakes installed on my analog enduro - a 2020 Trek Slash that I've upgraded significantly over the years. Over time, the MT7s have often given me problems, showing poor reliability and being difficult to bleed. So I took the opportunity to replace these as well with Shimano XT brakes.
You could have gone with just installing the Shimano XT levers paired with those calipers. I'm quite heavy and this combination works pretty sweet for me (4p front, 2p rear). I tried them with stock Magura levers and indeed there was plenty or arm-pump.
@@Resantinos shigura...another time maybe :)
I did a test ride on this thing. It's definitely the noisiest bike of the decade. Amount of rattle on decents was absolutely terrible. For the price of 8000k Euros that's absolutely unacceptable.
I've sat on this bike and rode it for a while at the shop. Have anyone noticed, that the rear triangle is so poor designed and built, that the tyre literally touches the frame? It's so soft that you can do it just by hands! Can't imagine what it feels like riding it downhill...
Rob, it would be helpful if you said which countries the bike is sold in if distribution is limited. Some-like Haibike-are Euro only
That's difficult as that can change anytime
Another great video thanks Rob
What trails are they????
I’d say bump the fork to 150. That could make it less twitchy due to the slacker head angle
Great looking bike, but I'll wait until the small but powerful motors (such as DJI's) replace the full-fat motor systems.
Yeap.
Too right. The unveiling of the DJI system has in my opinion made the Bosch SX motor obsolete.
don't get too hyped I'm not an expert in mtb nor emtb (other than changing the fork and shock myself I didn't do much) but I did a lot more on car engines and a comment from a ebike mechanic struck home...small engines overheat more, heat needs surface to be cooled small powerful engines without drawbacks will never exist that's one of the reason Intel computer processor are so hot you can't cool 300w with less than a pinky finger nail surface, TQ engine is known for this already I believe
@@fredEVOIX you raise some great points re size and hear dissipation. We’ve seen these problems with electric motors in other applications such as power tools and it remains to be seen how good the DJI set up is in real life. It’s why I am sitting back and enjoying my Bosch CX gen 4 for a while longer before I invest in the DJI set up. I’ll let others test and prove the gen 1 DJI and I’ll be waiting for when/if we have some results that say it’s as good as the manufacturer says it is. But on paper I think the Bosch SX could be obsolete if gen 1 DJI Avinox hits the spot.
Yes, cooling has always been an issue with any hi output motor, however at the size of that motor it seems that would have been addressed, and if not, it could be easy to address. LOL, my guess we will have water cooled with pinion type gear box systems in the works soon. Just guessing, but I hope so.
Funny fact. It has 100kg limit including bike weight
115kg total weight (including bike), but whats odd is that their documentation indicates that if you swap out the default saddle the total weight capacity goes up to 135kg.
55nm is PLENTY of ASSIST for an e-bike and suites all the use profiles my wife and I have for riding single tracks and bike packing.. The big motor e-bikes just don’t make sense to me when I can buy a Honda 150 for $3K.
Including the bike?!? Insanity.
All cube bikes are limited by weight, looks good but not for me
Weight limits are imposed because of the seat the bike comes with. Change the seat to an aftermarket unit and the next limit you need to account for is your skills 😂
Next year il get one i think! Currently have stereo hybrid 160. Its a lil bit heavy
hello ! I planned to buy a stereo hybrid 160 action team 27.5" what else did you think of your 160 ? I currently ride an old XC 120mm 27.5" regular mtb but want something with more travel but still not sure about the 160 with 27.5" vs the 140 with 29" I don't want another XC bike I want an emtb to reach rougher mountain trails with relatively large rocks and roots
@@fredEVOIX it's good. U need to test ride one to see if it suits u
been waiting for this one. Anyt thoughts on this vs the Rise SL (you've ridden both I believe)
Regarding the Bosch app, is it possible to use the app to customize the riding profile so that less cadence is required to unleash the 600 watts of power? I would think that must be some kind of software based, even if in the firmware?
Rob - could this bike be converted to 160/150 by air shaft replacement and different shock?
Is this Cannock Chase trail by any chance?
It's a real shame that these models are equipped with the outdated fox fork and dropper. Pretty much the same month these bikes came out was the same time that Fox launched their 2025 fork and dropper models. I wonder if Cube will implement rolling changes on future builds that leave the factory or whether they took up Fox on a mega pricing for outgoing 2024 kit?
Swinley forest?
Cube ams 44 or Canyon neuron on fly?
It looks nice but I wouldn’t buy it. Bosch need to redesign the motor to stop that rattle you get on rough terrain. I had a full powered Bosch and was glad to sell it on because of the rattle. I now own a Fuel exe and love it. If other motor manufacturers can make motors that don’t rattle, I’m sure Bosch can.
Bad timing - not Cube’s fault. The prospect of DJI, ZF and even Bafang motors pumping out significantly more power - dims the enthusiasm a bit.
Not value for money.
Half a power, pretty boring looking bike, very expensive for what it is.
Cube has many hood looking bikes, this is certainly not one of them.
Why? It has 600 watts peak. I tested the bike and for me it has much more power than I want from a bike. It's not expensive if you compare it to other bikes with a similar build.
The price is a little too high, I think Amflow dji is a better option.
I like to ride the great reliable bike I have rather than contemplate the never ending new options, just saying.
Nice bike, just sort the name 😀
Hello sir. How much
the line continues to blur
📈 and the price is still to high.
@@TheWebstaff I agree bikes are too expensive these days
Scuffed seatstay already after few miles is frame ripe for warranty
New a new review for the one44 2025 that ones not lightweight
Man you got to do another cheab build with the buffang m820 it has 75 nm but the videos I watched people say it feels like a full power. One guy even snapped a chain ⛓️
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So 1 kg weight saving against CX but 30 Nm less. I don't think that's such a great trade-off
Yes make no sense.
£8000 for a push bike you must be mad paying that.🙈
This bike has like 110kg weight limit rider+bike+accessories, be careful folks!!!
According to if here bit.ly/4c1Epzh - if you change the stock saddle, it can allow 135KG "The specified saddle limits the max. rider and bike weight to 115 kg -> when replacing with a saddle with a higher load capacity, the value increases up to *2 135 kg "
@@RobRidesEMTB good info thanks well as a heavy 100kgs 220lbs guy I don't know how people can ride on oem saddles lol I have a granpa saddle wide with lot of gel ahaha
@@RobRidesEMTB thanks good to know, wonder what made them go through this weirdness just because of saddle.
100kg actually
@@RobRidesEMTB killer decision from the purchase dept 😀.
£5.5k+ oh yeah great value.
The BOM cost for this has to be what 2.5k to oem?
Tell me i'm wrong.
This is the bike I want but so expensive.
Your wrong .
get the rough specs of the gearset motor fork shock and go compare other brands you will be shocked as they are same spec around 10'000 Cube you get enthusiast top spec for almost half the price, your mistake here is wanting a lightweight emtb 1st it doesn't make sense buy a full power or pedal yourself (like I currently do I did 54miles 5000ft with 220lbs of fat and no motor) 2nd lightweight is the "latest trend" so you pay extra for less >< you can get an actually better but slightly heavier ebike for much less
Only 8000 pounds.
They are mad and they still don't know why their industry is crashing.
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что именно не так?
@@G00glieS ноги должны быть вытянуты, а то быстро устанешь
I hope you're getting paid to wear those glasses and didn't put them on by choice. I'm getting Redfoo vibes and its quite off putting.
First 😂