I have a mate who went into marketing for Rugby Union Aus to try help them with becoming interesting again. He suggested engagement with fans and leaning into super coach, they went with NFTs. He left shortly after. The sport might recover if they make better decisions in how to get younger people interested
Thats false data, thats participation not registered players. Union has well over 300k participants in Aus but under 160k registered players.@@paulverdon4362
Rugby isn’t dead at least not in Canberra everywhere I walk there are people in brumbies gear and we have a massive comp I love going to brumbies game but our stadium is so shit that’s why raiders and brumbies crowds are down
for me I support both AFL and Rugby Union, the problem is, when it comes to Rugby in Australia, the money is in the NRL, even if we have investment into Rugby, more people who are interested in Rugby, will likely go to League over Union. that in general is the issue, we have put all our eggs into one basket, while neglecting the other, sadly Union has suffered as a result, that also means that Rugby Union may never recover. Even if there was a way to rebuild Rugby Union in Australia, I fear that it is too late, it will never overcome Rugby League, since there is too much money in the NRL.
It's pretty sad that union has Gone this way in Australia. Outside of Australia league is basically amateur and as big as field hockey and afl is actually laughed at as a sport
Wareiors sold out every game last season. No Super Rugby team can say that. Anyway, it's irrelevant what people think outside Australia. Americans don't care nobody else likes NFL.
They have to focus on getting a national competition with around 12 teams and play rugby no changing the rules to try and put fans in the seats it is about playing rugby like the rest of the world. Some of you say rugby is hard to understand and slow but it is not for everyone and it is hard to change generation of rugby league fans you may aswell keep the fans you have rather than getting more. Super Rugby is still good they need help from a National competition to grow and also to help them grow our playeres and coaches. Qld and NSW for at least 4 teams each and then 2 from Melbourne 1 from Canberra Adelaide and Western Australia.
I knew Michael Hooper was captain and follow Super Rugby somewhat. I find it insane that AFL fans don’t know the difference between League and Union. I love both.
Even with newbloods at RA, they have a lot of work to do to bring back the old glory days of union, especially if they're not culling the Rebels and Force again despite the strain on depth with the NRL thriving on grassroots. The new Rugby Coaching Director is a start to sort out the obvious issues from the ground up, but still very interesting discussions here.
See listening to you two drongos beating around the bush without hitting hitting the nail on the head is what's wrong with rugby.. I'm an NRL fan and I don't mind a rugby game especially if it's a Queensland team.. the real problem with union is, ur too elitist.. league is everyones sport, state school, private school, whatever... AND WE DEVELOP PLAYERS From the GRASS ROOTS 👍🏾✊🏾💯.. it's not rocket science.. and we'll still steal ur players 😂😂😂
australian rugby is continuing its downward spiral. so many bad ARU management decisions have resulted in fans, players and money leaving australian rugby. the next few years are financially crucial to rugby union in australia. the lions tour and world cup. a SUCCESSFUL australian rugby team in the next few years is the key to rugby union remaining a important sport in australia. ps. thanks mark. another great video...!
I am an Englishman and I do want to see Australia compete, but Union has been in decline in my opinion since 2005 as the Socceroos have been regulars in the FIFA WC.
@@user-or3ee4ix9g Socceroos a never winning a world cup. The combination of low population, not enough popularity and the incredible competitiveness of the WC means Australia will never win
Rugby League is growing far faster than Rugby Union especially in the Pacific and Europe. In Australia Rugby Union is now a footnote to the sporting landscape here. If you asked a 100 people to name a wallabys player they'd probably say Campese, Ella or Eales. No one could name a current squad member.
Its sad ( and typical Aussie attitude where they givin' everything on a silver platter and still very unappreciative 😠 ) imagine if a country like Georgie ( or maybe even Argentina) won the 1991 and 1999 🏆 RWC 🏉 , hosted the 2003 RWC , competed in the Superugby tournament since its beginning, being part of the Tri-Nations (Rugby Championship) and hosts regular B&Irish Lions tours where this beautiful game and popularity would have been today in their country?
Theres still a strong club rugby and school rugby competition.. The ARU really needs to build on that. Super rugby has becone a joke amd nobody cares. You get more people to a school game than a super rugby team.
It's not the players it's the coaches choices and positioning of who"s selected. Add the mental incursion of expectations by Coaching staff and the Australian public. It's got to become a religion if you want culture like the All Black's,
The valium induced way we play the game is not enticing for our young,but as a game in of itself the young fellas love the run and wrestle aspect,the pathetic ARU have neglected juniors and regional grassroots must be the saviour!
With so much confusion within the game of rugby, it doesn’t help itself. Looking back onto some of your World stars it was very inspiring to watch you from the U.K., with some sort of jealously, but with such a small pool to select from from your home blood base, it is difficult to imagine as to how you can compete on such a wide selection of sports to choose from within your small population. As for your unfortunate connection with that full on Nearly Made It Man, (Eddie Jones), we can both understand what comes from that. He has his own character problems, which just seems to get publicly rinsed out in the rugby union front widow. You guys didn’t help yourselves when you let the Woke blokes in to get rid of Israel Falell (can’t spell the sir name). He was a world star, and he got cast out because he dared to voice an opinion in line with the Bible! Funny how it all went down hill from there⁉️ The Lions tour may well be the last, if things don’t change. It must hurt when you look back to the last time you beat England at rugby. It was a long time ago. I’d like to see something good happen, but as you say, there is very little internal will over there in Oz. All the best.
Victoria as a whole is AFL First! Go to Melbourne anytime between March-September and the first thing that shows up in sports news is AFL (and it will have over half the sports coverage time easily)! 😂😂😂
ooh for MELBOURNE REBELS this week doesnt seem like its going well with every game being there this week losing 30-3 in 1st round it should b advantage australian teams being in australia in melbourne this week rebels a doing it tough more known for afl as alot didnt know bout melbourne storm in buea ryan inviews of the towns of random people level has dropped tho would have never guessed they already won 2 world cups already recent form missing out on qualifying stages is the worse thy playing more like tier 2 team nowdays anyways i wana bet in 2-3 weeks time but i will take some rugby for 15+ margins at halftimes $3-$7 *chefs vs crusaders halftime score 27-10 17+ point lead at hafltime *hurricanes vs western force hafltime score 22-0 22 point lead at halftime odds usually $3-$8 for 15+ lead halftime margin single odds always have 2 game parlay i might look at in 2-3 weeks for comps like top14,gallagher,united,usa,japanese comps with super rugby but brumbies & reds a ur only hope for australian teams to challenge nz teams it does well in other sports tho watched some tennis at times there were few that made it to quarter final & semi stages in last weeks tournement but cricket & swimmers & such but rugby on odd occassion is ok to bet on it i rarely do nowdays in 2024 looking to at halftime for everything or 2025 most definitly im still new tryin b as organized as possible & discplined not to bet so much a year or sometimes missing 1-3 years of gambling once i win enough im take 1-3 years off from gambling put into other parts of self to make more money either then gambling i am busy building other parts of me but definitly rugby in australia is better with there own comp having comps between 3 best sides who won most world cups is silly u will never c that for any tournement in sports is australia 2 world cups nz 3 world cups south africa 4 world cups having super rugby for so long before leaving to united rugby i think nz & australia should part ways for growth of australia its a crazy tournment still if they were part of europe australian teams i know they would win afew comps like SOUTH AFRICA first year in united rugby 18-14 winners in grand final stormers & 2023 15-14 lose in grand final against munster but its the level u play its the HARDEST TROPHY is SUPER RUGBY TROPHEY hardest to win look at south african teams in united rugby & how many titles nz have won in super rugby south africa struggle to win.... i wouldnt b shamed with results as tones in europe would b in similar shape against nz teams
The game is an eye sore. Too many players on the field. Stop, start. Who wants to watch scrums, lineouts, and mauls Boring. Northern hemisphere teams killed the game by playing too many forwards with mauls.
Let's face it! AFL and League have too few amateur players actually playing the game and WAY WAY too many professional player spots ... SO the quality of the sport is NONSENSE.. but they are good local traditions .& well marketed ..The A-league is by far our highest quality of sport on the numbers, as Soccer has the most participants & the Lowest number of professional playing spots to fight for ... Union should cut to 2 teams so it can differentiate its product .. by being of a higher quality like this
super rugby teams get pumped nearly every year against nz teams last night HURRICANES smashed FORCE i think such losers to nz rivals have made it less popular there was a RECORD SET BY NZ SUPER RUGBY TEAMS of 35 wins against australian conference even nz bottom teams kept beating 1st place australian conference teams i would love to c australia competive again in rugby & also would love to c ALTERNATING LINES & POINTS in RUGBY FOR PUNTING theres no 1-12 & 13+ also its now 1-7, 8-14 ,15+ the margins divided into 3 now i would like to think id b 1 of the best if there were such options available like ALTERNING LINES & POINTS if there was HALFTIME points CHEIFS raised from 13points upto 22points for first half they were up 27-10 in first half the cheifs there main weapon at 10 came off injuryed & to many penalities in 2nd half but odds is roughly $4.10 if raising points but HURRICANES the similar thing i think it was 14 the points they scored 22points in 1st half i like points alternating more then the line but sometimes of course i thought 1st round of 6 nations where IRELAND vs FRANCE away was a good underdog as france were missing 2 gun players in 9 & 10 but IRELAND as $2.80 underdogs woulda LINE ALTERNATED for line -7 is roughly $5.70 ireland won 38-17 as $2.80 underdogs but i like alot of EUROPEAN COMPS gallagher rugby comp, top14 comp , united comp, japanese comp,curry cup , international & super rugby id b great looking at different teams unlucky for rugby it doesnt have that option i woulda always hit $7-$14 parlays of 2 games per slip consistently $700 bet in future for $14 odds = $9800 return id do 3-6 parlays per week for rugby if it had such options but am learning other sports like TENNIS just tracking it so far before i bet on it next tournement im put some money on it with enough knowledge rugby & nrl a up also im looking forward to it but yeah nz domanice has rugby in australia on down hill trend & also international game suffering hope it gets back to some competive form before lions tour i think they win 3-0 with level its at hope its competive for next world cup is here in australia also
Losing South Africa 100% GUTTED Super Rugby even with the welcome introduction of Fiji and Pacific Island team. It used to be pre-2014 a great comp but it's garbage now with a few good match-ups none of which Aus teams. I remember learning decades ago Union was 4th sport in Aus after Cricket, League, Aussie Rules and probably now Football/Soccer also relegating it. Throw in the problems of Union as a game code eg penalties and referee intervention eg cards and kicking tennis, it's an inferior form of League now compared to being a brilliant game back in Campese/Lynagh days where you had a distinct Forwards doing their thing and Backs doing their thing, now it's 15 gym-bunnies across the pitch and no "back 10m" with the stupid Jackalling rules on the ground killing the gain line and attacking with ball in hand... Now compare to NRL: It's gone from strength to strength and is brilliant week-in-week out. In all honesty, better to just put all the rugby talent behind League and it's better training for the juniors too. Then grow League around Pacific eg NZ, Pacific, Papua New Guinea.
I have a mate who went into marketing for Rugby Union Aus to try help them with becoming interesting again. He suggested engagement with fans and leaning into super coach, they went with NFTs. He left shortly after. The sport might recover if they make better decisions in how to get younger people interested
Shits pucked! Bloody idiots at the top smh
@@MattTheGinger what were they selling in NFT's? I dont really understand what the offering is?
I looked it up, there's more people playing rugby in Sri Lanker than in Australia
Well thats a lie, show me this data. Rugby is big in Sri Lanka but they have nowhere near as many regos as Australia.
have you heard of google?@@sammyclarke1206
Thats false data, thats participation not registered players. Union has well over 300k participants in Aus but under 160k registered players.@@paulverdon4362
No way😂😂😂
@@sammyclarke1206mate, just google it. I did, with as much doubt as you have, and he’s right. It’s both incredible and damning, but he’s right.
Rugby Administration in Australia has been horrible over the past two decades, so it's no wonder it's on the brink of extinction.
Rugby isn’t dead at least not in Canberra everywhere I walk there are people in brumbies gear and we have a massive comp I love going to brumbies game but our stadium is so shit that’s why raiders and brumbies crowds are down
for me I support both AFL and Rugby Union, the problem is, when it comes to Rugby in Australia, the money is in the NRL, even if we have investment into Rugby, more people who are interested in Rugby, will likely go to League over Union.
that in general is the issue, we have put all our eggs into one basket, while neglecting the other, sadly Union has suffered as a result, that also means that Rugby Union may never recover. Even if there was a way to rebuild Rugby Union in Australia, I fear that it is too late, it will never overcome Rugby League, since there is too much money in the NRL.
Australia!? Is that the big desert above New Zealand?
It's pretty sad that union has Gone this way in Australia. Outside of Australia league is basically amateur and as big as field hockey and afl is actually laughed at as a sport
Wareiors sold out every game last season. No Super Rugby team can say that. Anyway, it's irrelevant what people think outside Australia. Americans don't care nobody else likes NFL.
@adtastic1533 just facts ! That it's small very small game ! Don't compare NFL to league and afl🤣
They have to focus on getting a national competition with around 12 teams and play rugby no changing the rules to try and put fans in the seats it is about playing rugby like the rest of the world. Some of you say rugby is hard to understand and slow but it is not for everyone and it is hard to change generation of rugby league fans you may aswell keep the fans you have rather than getting more. Super Rugby is still good they need help from a National competition to grow and also to help them grow our playeres and coaches. Qld and NSW for at least 4 teams each and then 2 from Melbourne 1 from Canberra Adelaide and Western Australia.
I knew Michael Hooper was captain and follow Super Rugby somewhat. I find it insane that AFL fans don’t know the difference between League and Union. I love both.
Even with newbloods at RA, they have a lot of work to do to bring back the old glory days of union, especially if they're not culling the Rebels and Force again despite the strain on depth with the NRL thriving on grassroots.
The new Rugby Coaching Director is a start to sort out the obvious issues from the ground up, but still very interesting discussions here.
See listening to you two drongos beating around the bush without hitting hitting the nail on the head is what's wrong with rugby.. I'm an NRL fan and I don't mind a rugby game especially if it's a Queensland team.. the real problem with union is, ur too elitist.. league is everyones sport, state school, private school, whatever... AND WE DEVELOP PLAYERS From the GRASS ROOTS 👍🏾✊🏾💯.. it's not rocket science.. and we'll still steal ur players 😂😂😂
australian rugby is continuing its downward spiral.
so many bad ARU management decisions have resulted in fans, players and money leaving australian rugby.
the next few years are financially crucial to rugby union in australia.
the lions tour and world cup.
a SUCCESSFUL australian rugby team in the next few years is the key to rugby union remaining a important sport in australia.
ps. thanks mark. another great video...!
I am an Englishman and I do want to see Australia compete, but Union has been in decline in my opinion since 2005 as the Socceroos have been regulars in the FIFA WC.
when do you think socceroos can win a soccer WC?
@@user-or3ee4ix9g maybe in the next 20 years
@@user-or3ee4ix9g300 years?
Not in the next 50 years@@user-or3ee4ix9g
@@user-or3ee4ix9g Socceroos a never winning a world cup. The combination of low population, not enough popularity and the incredible competitiveness of the WC means Australia will never win
Australian Rugby has declined since 2003 the year Wallabies lost the World Cup and the Bledisloe.
Rugby League is growing far faster than Rugby Union especially in the Pacific and Europe. In Australia Rugby Union is now a footnote to the sporting landscape here. If you asked a 100 people to name a wallabys player they'd probably say Campese, Ella or Eales. No one could name a current squad member.
Nek minit full stadium against Wales last weekend.
Its sad ( and typical Aussie attitude where they givin' everything on a silver platter and still very unappreciative 😠 ) imagine if a country like Georgie ( or maybe even Argentina) won the 1991 and 1999 🏆 RWC 🏉 , hosted the 2003 RWC , competed in the Superugby tournament since its beginning, being part of the Tri-Nations (Rugby Championship) and hosts regular B&Irish Lions tours where this beautiful game and popularity would have been today in their country?
I think you’re right about a national comp.
Theres still a strong club rugby and school rugby competition.. The ARU really needs to build on that. Super rugby has becone a joke amd nobody cares. You get more people to a school game than a super rugby team.
It's not the players it's the coaches choices and positioning of who"s selected. Add the mental incursion of expectations by Coaching staff and the Australian public. It's got to become a religion if you want culture like the All Black's,
The valium induced way we play the game is not enticing for our young,but as a game in of itself the young fellas love the run and wrestle aspect,the pathetic ARU have neglected juniors and regional grassroots must be the saviour!
Fiji have never got near the RWC finals and its a religion there. Reports of rugbys demise in Aussie is sadly overrated.
Compared to where they were 20-25 years ago, the drop is kinda big mate!
With so much confusion within the game of rugby, it doesn’t help itself.
Looking back onto some of your World stars it was very inspiring to watch you from the U.K., with some sort of jealously, but with such a small pool to select from from your home blood base, it is difficult to imagine as to how you can compete on such a wide selection of sports to choose from within your small population.
As for your unfortunate connection with that full on Nearly Made It Man, (Eddie Jones), we can both understand what comes from that. He has his own character problems, which just seems to get publicly rinsed out in the rugby union front widow.
You guys didn’t help yourselves when you let the Woke blokes in to get rid of Israel Falell (can’t spell the sir name). He was a world star, and he got cast out because he dared to voice an opinion in line with the Bible!
Funny how it all went down hill from there⁉️
The Lions tour may well be the last, if things don’t change. It must hurt when you look back to the last time you beat England at rugby. It was a long time ago.
I’d like to see something good happen, but as you say, there is very little internal will over there in Oz. All the best.
Great little segment lads
I don't think it'll be the same as before.
They need to drop Western Force and Melbourne Rebels
Remember the NRC? That was great!
Yes, because Australian Union sucks.
RIP Melbourne Rebels 🙏
These guys dont Understand what they are talking about
0:24 Why does he randomly say its an irrelevant sport in Melbourne?
9 AFL teams, the Melbourne Storm, F1, Australian Open.....table tennis- probably......super rugby. It's just such a crowded city for sport.
Victoria as a whole is AFL First! Go to Melbourne anytime between March-September and the first thing that shows up in sports news is AFL (and it will have over half the sports coverage time easily)! 😂😂😂
ooh for MELBOURNE REBELS this week doesnt seem like its going well with every game being there this week losing 30-3 in 1st round
it should b advantage australian teams being in australia in melbourne this week
rebels a doing it tough
more known for afl as alot didnt know bout melbourne storm in buea ryan inviews of the towns of random people
level has dropped tho would have never guessed they already won 2 world cups already
recent form missing out on qualifying stages is the worse
thy playing more like tier 2 team nowdays
anyways i wana bet in 2-3 weeks time
but i will take some rugby for 15+ margins at halftimes $3-$7
*chefs vs crusaders halftime score 27-10 17+ point lead at hafltime
*hurricanes vs western force hafltime score 22-0 22 point lead at halftime
odds usually $3-$8 for 15+ lead halftime margin single odds
always have 2 game parlay
i might look at in 2-3 weeks for comps like top14,gallagher,united,usa,japanese comps with super rugby but brumbies & reds a ur only hope for australian teams to challenge nz teams
it does well in other sports tho watched some tennis at times there were few that made it to quarter final & semi stages in last weeks tournement
but cricket & swimmers & such
but rugby on odd occassion is ok to bet on it i rarely do nowdays in 2024 looking to at halftime for everything or 2025 most definitly im still new tryin b as organized as possible & discplined not to bet so much a year or sometimes missing 1-3 years of gambling once i win enough im take 1-3 years off from gambling put into other parts of self to make more money either then gambling i am busy building other parts of me
but definitly rugby in australia is better with there own comp having comps between 3 best sides who won most world cups is silly u will never c that for any tournement in sports is australia 2 world cups nz 3 world cups south africa 4 world cups having super rugby for so long before leaving to united rugby i think nz & australia should part ways for growth of australia its a crazy tournment still if they were part of europe australian teams i know they would win afew comps like SOUTH AFRICA first year in united rugby 18-14 winners in grand final stormers & 2023 15-14 lose in grand final against munster but its the level u play its the HARDEST TROPHY is SUPER RUGBY TROPHEY hardest to win look at south african teams in united rugby & how many titles nz have won in super rugby south africa struggle to win.... i wouldnt b shamed with results as tones in europe would b in similar shape against nz teams
It’s always darkest before the dawn
lol
The question is when is the dawn for Rugby Union in Australia... No sign of it ahead right now...
The game is an eye sore. Too many players on the field. Stop, start.
Who wants to watch scrums, lineouts, and mauls Boring. Northern hemisphere teams killed the game by playing too many forwards with mauls.
Let's face it! AFL and League have too few amateur players actually playing the game and WAY WAY too many professional player spots ...
SO the quality of the sport is NONSENSE.. but they are good local traditions .& well marketed ..The A-league is by far our highest quality of sport on the numbers, as Soccer has the most participants & the Lowest number of professional playing spots to fight for ...
Union should cut to 2 teams so it can differentiate its product .. by being of a higher quality like this
super rugby teams get pumped nearly every year against nz teams
last night HURRICANES smashed FORCE
i think such losers to nz rivals have made it less popular there was a RECORD SET BY NZ SUPER RUGBY TEAMS of 35 wins against australian conference even nz bottom teams kept beating 1st place australian conference teams
i would love to c australia competive again in rugby
& also would love to c ALTERNATING LINES & POINTS in RUGBY FOR PUNTING
theres no 1-12 & 13+ also its now 1-7, 8-14 ,15+ the margins divided into 3 now
i would like to think id b 1 of the best if there were such options available like ALTERNING LINES & POINTS
if there was HALFTIME points CHEIFS raised from 13points upto 22points for first half they were up 27-10 in first half the cheifs there main weapon at 10 came off injuryed & to many penalities in 2nd half but odds is roughly $4.10 if raising points
but HURRICANES the similar thing i think it was 14 the points they scored 22points in 1st half
i like points alternating more then the line but sometimes of course i thought 1st round of 6 nations where IRELAND vs FRANCE away was a good underdog as france were missing 2 gun players in 9 & 10 but IRELAND as $2.80 underdogs woulda LINE ALTERNATED for line -7 is roughly $5.70
ireland won 38-17 as $2.80 underdogs but i like alot of EUROPEAN COMPS gallagher rugby comp, top14 comp , united comp, japanese comp,curry cup , international & super rugby id b great looking at different teams
unlucky for rugby it doesnt have that option
i woulda always hit $7-$14 parlays of 2 games per slip consistently
$700 bet in future for $14 odds = $9800 return
id do 3-6 parlays per week for rugby if it had such options
but am learning other sports like TENNIS just tracking it so far before i bet on it next tournement im put some money on it with enough knowledge
rugby & nrl a up also im looking forward to it
but yeah nz domanice has rugby in australia on down hill trend & also international game suffering
hope it gets back to some competive form before lions tour i think they win 3-0 with level its at
hope its competive for next world cup is here in australia also
Losing South Africa 100% GUTTED Super Rugby even with the welcome introduction of Fiji and Pacific Island team.
It used to be pre-2014 a great comp but it's garbage now with a few good match-ups none of which Aus teams.
I remember learning decades ago Union was 4th sport in Aus after Cricket, League, Aussie Rules and probably now Football/Soccer also relegating it.
Throw in the problems of Union as a game code eg penalties and referee intervention eg cards and kicking tennis, it's an inferior form of League now compared to being a brilliant game back in Campese/Lynagh days where you had a distinct Forwards doing their thing and Backs doing their thing, now it's 15 gym-bunnies across the pitch and no "back 10m" with the stupid Jackalling rules on the ground killing the gain line and attacking with ball in hand...
Now compare to NRL: It's gone from strength to strength and is brilliant week-in-week out.
In all honesty, better to just put all the rugby talent behind League and it's better training for the juniors too. Then grow League around Pacific eg NZ, Pacific, Papua New Guinea.
The current Rugby Union rivalry is NZ vs ZA! Anything can happen on game day when these two titans clash!
@@mrconfusion87 I agree, still a Titanic Clash For The Ages, between those two. Rugby Union at it's best is hard to beat but it's too rarely the case.
Would love to see the Wallabies make a comeback though. The only truly global sport they could potentially dominate once they sort their issues out.