In regards to "raising or lowering the floor" I've always considered that to be a comparison of complexity. In this regard I think the floor is being lowered as the need to haste proc and swap and time things is kind of unnecessary. As gary only lasts for 30 seconds- so you can still get a ton of haste procs off during that time, they just won't last the entire duration. The .35 second strikes will last as long as the procs are up for (which will be seconds, a good percentage of the uptime on gary). AP snapshotting will still be a thing so I can see there being, albeit less, some more weapon/enchant swapping to keep those up for the gary pop, but I think there's just less of it overall (lack of meta procing AP gems come to mind). If the floor changing is in reference to the damage, I can see the argument how the floor is raised, as most casual people will just play the class and not worry about meta gem, weapon enchant, and other swaps and not be punished for it. Ceiling is going down on all fronts though that is for sure.
Change the scaling idc if unholy isn’t top dog but please don’t change a core gameplay mechanic of my main spec in the middle of a 10 year old expansion
As much as snapshotting was a cancerous play style, to hit it literally a couple weeks before Ulduar and NOT buff ret paladins is just embarrassing and pathetic. Now all Unholy DK’s have how long to switch to Frost, learn a new play style, and try to get more armor pen and slow weapons? It also drastically favors DK’s who haven’t done their lockout yet and still have a chance to pick up that gear they will need to switch. Even if UH is still solid the consistent DPS of frost will be better, there is just no way it won’t be. It’s akin to like League of Legends nerfing the best meta champ 2 weeks before Worlds. PS Gargoyle dies really easy making it a risky play style on top of the RNG of snapshotting and Ulduar is a really AoE heavy raid so they were already going to have issues.
Tbh I play frost and it's enormously easier than UH (which I played around a bit) so the part of learning a playstyle after having learned probably one of the hardest spec I've seen personally... is probably not that much of a problem. After a dps session with UH, for me, Frost always feels extremely more... "chill" * laugh track*.
Maybe it's my far from hardcore ass talking, but I think they need to be careful, as UH is not exactly a class that plays itself and should be still rewarding while being a bit tuned. And I'm Frost main so I'm fine here, but looking into UH with the snapshot mechanic and the aoe rotation I can't say the thightness of the playstyle isn't riveting.
You are very right.. im playing frost myself for exactly this reason.. i just dont like the unholy playstyle. Frost just seems to me to be more sustainable and balanced gameplay. Ive even started playing frost pvp, its crazy fun with all that burst dmg.
@@wildchild3862 Apologies, my phrasing was weird: I DO like UH playstyle. I find it riveting because of the higher skill requirement and ceiling, but Frost was with me in original WOTLK so I stuck with it and it's fun seeing gigantic Howling Blast crits!
@@plasmahvh I don't know if that's true as I'm playing just DK at max level at the moment, but, based only on DK, I disagree. It's not retail, we all know the fun and skill of the two games require different things and appeal differently (let's not bring the childish debate about it, please)... but WOTLK is also definitevely not Vanilla. I would agree more on Vanilla, but still. Not the point of the game
Like, I think it's weird to say that a spec plays itself when we are talking about UH DK. But maybe it's an exception and maybe retail's specs are all much more complex (I would be intrigued to try Dragonflight also because of that). I couldn't tell you, but, again, it's not the point
Love to see a positive outlook on this change. Unholy was in a ridiculous place, and an unintuitive playstyle for the average player. Entire raids shouldn't be run around what's best for a temporary pet.
So dynamic in what way? Will it stay at my highest haste I get while it's up, sort of like a demo lock, or will it stay at my current haste at all times?
Dynamic/Snapshot are two opposing terms in wow speak. "Will it stay at my highest haste I get while it's up"-NO // "will it stay at my current haste at all times"-YES, as your haste goes up and down dynamically, so will the haste value on your gargoyle change dynamically as your buffs proc or fall off.
It means if your haste changes the gargoyle haste = casting speed changes on the go, so when you get all those trinket procs it will go down once it finishes.
@@s.t.5993 potion and gloves are less than the gargoyle's 30 seconds duration, which means you want to pop them directly after you pop gargoyle so it benefits from 100% uptime of the buffs - it will update dynamically.
Missing 1 buff snapshot was a noticeable dps difference, means frost will be king now. The niche of unholy is over. The setting up is rewarding playstyle. Real shame if this goes through as not a chance unholy will be competitive for top spots anymore.
@@plasmahvh tracking all buffs / their time remaining / weaponswitches to berserking and-or double FC only on GCDs / deciding if it's worth waiting for another buff and let a less important buff drop - while executing the normal rotation If you think mechanics like that shouldn't result in a feeling of rewarding the player i know that you're just a coping noob. Sorry.
@@voo7210 dude , this is still Not an insane skillcap playstyle… Ppl who think like that Never would Parse 99% + on retail Mythic Bosses so they Play classic
Bro we literally dedicate our second spec to it, have to farm an old-ass dungeon to be able to do well enough, and work hard to switch specs in between packs well behind the group to stay outta combat. I think we're safe.
While I love op specs in raids as it makes raiding easier. I did always say Unholy would scale off the wall the further we went into the xpac. And Blizzard confirmed as much and then nerfed UH. Sad thing is UH will still be op, just not mega broken. People will still stack, just not do 10 Unholy DKs down the line. Good news ? UH got a well deserved nerf. Bad news ? It wont be enough to make it balanced. People will say "Oh well X lock spec does more". As if two wrongs make a right.
Neg mate, its a targeted nerf. A SIGNIFICANT dps decrease. its already estimated 15/20% dps loss. My only question is, if you had an issue w/ snapshotting; CHANGE HOW SNAPSHOTTING WORKS. YOU NEVER... NEVER see any ranged (locks im talking bout you) getting any real nerfs. This is willful negligence at its best. At least BUFFFFF diseases or scourge strike. Can't wait to save my $15 a month, this company doesnt deserve any more of my money.
Please specify how its not a huge and major nerf and how they will do „good dmg“? Right now when you mess up your gary - you are automatically out of the top 10. Thats going from s-tier to c-tier or d-tier. Right now its white dmg + gary and other pets. Unholy dmg without snapshots is subpar at best. With the long fight length its going to be even worse.
This is what I thought at first too, but I think from Rugs' information, gargoyle will get your haste but won't snapshot. Right now, if you mess up your snapshot by summoning garg before some haste procs go off, your garg won't get any of that haste. Hopefully, the new garg will get adaptive haste.
"All fights in ulduar will be longer then in naxx so uh dks will kinda get nerfed alrdy, but I still this is a great change." Makes sense mate :D Dk r just over the top for the speedrunner guilds and slightly top tier for average guilds. But hey, warriors in vanilla were balanced :D
On one hand I agree because they can get extremely busted on certain fights but on the other for regular guilds unholy dk's arent necessarilly performing at the absolute top. Generally Rogues and sometimes Warlocks and Frost DKs are seen at the same level. I say this because Rogues are way easier to play than the UH dk and now they will stay are the top even more. Fights like loatheb and Thaddius are bad for UH Dk and they are not at the top. If a fight isn't just a straight up pump n dump and is long enough then UH Dk falls of significantly. And if they get nerfed as well like this they will become B tier rather than drop to A tier if that was what Blizz was going for. Rogues are stupid as fuck. Might as well change them as well while you're at it Blizz.
This change wont affect those Unholy DKs that are performing at the medium tier. It will only hurt those at the absolute top. Those who are unskilled and dont get great snapshots may see better dps with haste changes getting re-evaluated
meh yeah good players that can snapshot, other then that dont think it should be nerfed or seems pointless to nerf it now. Should just buff other classes instead of nerfing them.
I really hate this whole nerf idea. That's one of reason why I really hate blizz instead of nerfing DK just buff the other classes cuz what's going to happen is the next class going to be on next top DPS list for some parent reason that class need a nerf now too
If one spec is overperforming it is better to adjust that one doec than to rebalance all other specs and bosses and trash (current and future) to work around UH DK. Yes someone will always be nr 1 but by how much or if it is by stable mechanics in terms of scaling is important. Classic gargoyle is comparable to Legions Surrender to Madness Spriest in how it will scale out of hand as we go on given its mechanics and players skill and ingenuety/degenerecy
@@Delrancher DW has a higher cieling in the right hands, yeah. Just play what you want. 2H is more fun and it performs very well still. I'll show you my logs.
@@xden this nerf makes 2h Even worse then it already is... Go watch White Wolf's QnA before you tell someone 2h is good.... it was only good pre patch wotlk / PvP arenas
I'm positive about this. The Gary does unreasonable amounts of DMG as is.. and shaman fire ele doesn't even reset after end of encounters. I mean wtf is that? Why? I keep it glyphed for use on as many bosses as I can, but sacrificing 10% spelldmg on Lava Burst for it. Or 3sec nova on trash.
@@Dexterity07 Not really, it's mainly about changing this absurd focus on snapshotting and thus playing a really degenerate playstyle which (absolutely) leads to a lot of damage which wasn't intended. But this, especially at the peaks is just a big nerf & it would feel better if there would be some pseudo buff to make it feel less horrible.
@@SkullcandyEdit It's all about their damage and their negative impact on raid comps as many guilds are ignoring other classes just to stack DKs, nothing to do about the snapshot mechanism as warlocks can still snapshot their corruption for example.
@@Dexterity07 It is both. The class wasn't intended to revolve so autistically about snapshotting, this change fixes both the absurd playstyle and dmg.
Ret paladins aren't being buffed because wotlk Ret is overrepresented in the population, and the players that want to raid on Ret are generally able to find a spot. Dk got nerfed because people were bringing 10+ dks to raids, and they were doing 15% more dps than the next best dps. That gap was only going to increase until fire mages got full bis at the end of icc. The game would be over by the time the other classes scaling caught up to unholy scaling.
@@Hyperbion7 i wanted to read how salty the comments are and all i see from you here is... well it was intended game mechanics i didn't abuse it myself but it's intended things an exploit is abusing something not intended..
I understand that snapshotting is bullshit, but the fact that they're changing things mid-expansion sucks so much. I've spent so much time practicing snapshotting and poring over logs to look for the best haste and AP procs, but now it's all wasted time. I'm sure unholy will still be decent dps but there is no way they are even A-tier after this change. I've been playing unholy because it's fun trying to get a good snapshot, and because it's top dps. I'm definitely swapping to frost or changing mains if this nerf goes through. Keep huffing the copium though Rugs
@@trickdaemon because back than players weren’t as good or had the tech we have now in terms of weak auras and tracking of trinkets and ICDs for line up on snapshot. Like I want to call you a retard but I’m really trying not to. I bet even with this “bug fix” we still pump because now instead of popping it before goyle we pop everything 3 seconds after goyle.
@@elliottramos2149 I don't doubt it I don't play DK because it's not fun to me. It's not a MASSIVE NERF it's a simple fix for an extremely strong hero class, anyone whining is a turbo clown
Good god, unholy dk is already so boring to play with the snapshot. I understand why they’re doing it, but this nerf doesn’t change the fact that unholy rotation after snapshot is not engaging at all
@@KRANative wtf are you saying man. I said this nerf *doesn’t* makes uh dk more engaging. And if you think uh dk is fun to play now, that’s fine. For me, the gary snapshot is the only thing engaging about uh dk in its current form. Everything else in the rotation feels bad.
This is a good change.. I hate the Unholy meta stack, sure people will say just stack Affliction Warlock's now.. but most guilds are already bringing at least 3 + demo anyway I don't feel like they are as overpowered & take a lot of skill other than waiting for the perfect garg snapshot.
Cry more fotm rerollers, I think it's hilarious, it was clearly broken. Go reroll to another spec you hate to top the meters on a 15 year old easy game that isn't competitive in the slightest.
He is just aware of his reach. You don't want to create a shitstorm with pitchforks and changing a snapshot to dynamic IS big. It certainly will be big enough to at least put that class 2 spots down (I personally believe it will be more)
I literally just bought blade of wizardry and signet of edward the odd last night to try to get some insane snapshots.....
Rip lmao
would have rather had them cap the number of casts (to like 50). would lower the garg damage still but also help balance racials
3:14 why is that a good thing?
What I'm hearing is, I should take a Fury of the Five Flights from some Ret pally. 🤣 For real, thanks for the info.
I thinking capping haste to certain % or giving the garg an artificial GCD would of worked better. it'll be interesting to see how this unfolds
All summons or none
In regards to "raising or lowering the floor" I've always considered that to be a comparison of complexity. In this regard I think the floor is being lowered as the need to haste proc and swap and time things is kind of unnecessary. As gary only lasts for 30 seconds- so you can still get a ton of haste procs off during that time, they just won't last the entire duration. The .35 second strikes will last as long as the procs are up for (which will be seconds, a good percentage of the uptime on gary). AP snapshotting will still be a thing so I can see there being, albeit less, some more weapon/enchant swapping to keep those up for the gary pop, but I think there's just less of it overall (lack of meta procing AP gems come to mind).
If the floor changing is in reference to the damage, I can see the argument how the floor is raised, as most casual people will just play the class and not worry about meta gem, weapon enchant, and other swaps and not be punished for it. Ceiling is going down on all fronts though that is for sure.
F to all the dks that went Troll over Orc.
thats why they are allowing race and faction changes lol more money for them. this was planned lol
@me
Change the scaling idc if unholy isn’t top dog but please don’t change a core gameplay mechanic of my main spec in the middle of a 10 year old expansion
Nah u had ur fun bruh ..settle down u bozo
As much as snapshotting was a cancerous play style, to hit it literally a couple weeks before Ulduar and NOT buff ret paladins is just embarrassing and pathetic. Now all Unholy DK’s have how long to switch to Frost, learn a new play style, and try to get more armor pen and slow weapons? It also drastically favors DK’s who haven’t done their lockout yet and still have a chance to pick up that gear they will need to switch. Even if UH is still solid the consistent DPS of frost will be better, there is just no way it won’t be. It’s akin to like League of Legends nerfing the best meta champ 2 weeks before Worlds.
PS Gargoyle dies really easy making it a risky play style on top of the RNG of snapshotting and Ulduar is a really AoE heavy raid so they were already going to have issues.
Tinfoilhat equipped: Theyre leaving in AP snapshotting aswell with race change coming soon, trolls looking to go orc means phat munz for blizz.
Tbh I play frost and it's enormously easier than UH (which I played around a bit) so the part of learning a playstyle after having learned probably one of the hardest spec I've seen personally... is probably not that much of a problem. After a dps session with UH, for me, Frost always feels extremely more... "chill" * laugh track*.
"MASSIVE Unholy DK Nerf!"
"People are overreacting"
Cmon guy....
Maybe it's my far from hardcore ass talking, but I think they need to be careful, as UH is not exactly a class that plays itself and should be still rewarding while being a bit tuned.
And I'm Frost main so I'm fine here, but looking into UH with the snapshot mechanic and the aoe rotation I can't say the thightness of the playstyle isn't riveting.
You are very right.. im playing frost myself for exactly this reason.. i just dont like the unholy playstyle. Frost just seems to me to be more sustainable and balanced gameplay. Ive even started playing frost pvp, its crazy fun with all that burst dmg.
All classic specs play itself
@@wildchild3862 Apologies, my phrasing was weird: I DO like UH playstyle. I find it riveting because of the higher skill requirement and ceiling, but Frost was with me in original WOTLK so I stuck with it and it's fun seeing gigantic Howling Blast crits!
@@plasmahvh I don't know if that's true as I'm playing just DK at max level at the moment, but, based only on DK, I disagree. It's not retail, we all know the fun and skill of the two games require different things and appeal differently (let's not bring the childish debate about it, please)... but WOTLK is also definitevely not Vanilla. I would agree more on Vanilla, but still. Not the point of the game
Like, I think it's weird to say that a spec plays itself when we are talking about UH DK. But maybe it's an exception and maybe retail's specs are all much more complex (I would be intrigued to try Dragonflight also because of that). I couldn't tell you, but, again, it's not the point
why ?
wish they would buff ret dmg a bit as well if they're starting to make changes to specs ^^
Yeah they nerf a class a little instead of buffing a class that’s so undertuned people don’t invite it.
@@Fleato Agreed I wanted to play my ret that i had played all the way from vanilla classic but i guess not when I wont be any dps until phase 4.
On Use trinkets like my Mark of Norgannon looking hella finer than your average Meteorite Whetstone now Sheeeesh
Love to see a positive outlook on this change. Unholy was in a ridiculous place, and an unintuitive playstyle for the average player. Entire raids shouldn't be run around what's best for a temporary pet.
So people will start stacking another stat and nothing changes. Do I really have to keep on exploiting my class? Fix the issues first, THEN nerf.
wow, thanks for the info. Liked and subscribed after watching 30 times
wat
@@kiirbstomp thank you
Dk players on the PTR did this to themselves by stacking half a raid team or more with them. That sort of behavior gets noticed and gets you the nerf.
As a ret player, I don't want to see nerf, buuuuut I am not against this
So dynamic in what way? Will it stay at my highest haste I get while it's up, sort of like a demo lock, or will it stay at my current haste at all times?
Minion haste = your haste at all times
Dynamic/Snapshot are two opposing terms in wow speak. "Will it stay at my highest haste I get while it's up"-NO // "will it stay at my current haste at all times"-YES, as your haste goes up and down dynamically, so will the haste value on your gargoyle change dynamically as your buffs proc or fall off.
It means if your haste changes the gargoyle haste = casting speed changes on the go, so when you get all those trinket procs it will go down once it finishes.
@@pooq100 so will you need to pop your haste potion and glove enchant after Gary?
@@s.t.5993 potion and gloves are less than the gargoyle's 30 seconds duration, which means you want to pop them directly after you pop gargoyle so it benefits from 100% uptime of the buffs - it will update dynamically.
This should have been done months ago. Not 2-3 weeks before a patch. Same with the immortal shit.
What about a buff to ret? If they are doing some balancing fix ret.
They can't because of pvp..good try though
Why now 2 months in
big disagree. I think this will be a huge loss for them in terms of dps.
"I think this will be a huge loss for them in terms of dps"....The while point of the nerf was just that, surprise surprise....
Sir this is the internet. Youre not allowed to have a reasonable pov!
strange decision giving their unwillingness to balance classes in vanilla classic and even season of mastery
Aight. Cool. When are they nerfing warlock and SP snapshotting then?
Seems like blood dps is the new best dk dps class
Missing 1 buff snapshot was a noticeable dps difference, means frost will be king now. The niche of unholy is over. The setting up is rewarding playstyle. Real shame if this goes through as not a chance unholy will be competitive for top spots anymore.
oh yeah "rewarding" for what? having eyes and a functioning brain?
@@plasmahvh tracking all buffs / their time remaining / weaponswitches to berserking and-or double FC only on GCDs / deciding if it's worth waiting for another buff and let a less important buff drop - while executing the normal rotation
If you think mechanics like that shouldn't result in a feeling of rewarding the player i know that you're just a coping noob. Sorry.
@@voo7210 dude , this is still Not an insane skillcap playstyle… Ppl who think like that Never would Parse 99% + on retail Mythic Bosses so they Play classic
Frost is absolutely mind numbing boring spec 2 button Andy rotation boring as hell
@@MrDrunkeNN strawman
So rogue fan of knives needs to be next right? They cant just let that stay while nerfing Gary.
Bro we literally dedicate our second spec to it, have to farm an old-ass dungeon to be able to do well enough, and work hard to switch specs in between packs well behind the group to stay outta combat. I think we're safe.
I’ll take a haste cap over this 😂😂😂
While I love op specs in raids as it makes raiding easier. I did always say Unholy would scale off the wall the further we went into the xpac. And Blizzard confirmed as much and then nerfed UH. Sad thing is UH will still be op, just not mega broken. People will still stack, just not do 10 Unholy DKs down the line.
Good news ? UH got a well deserved nerf. Bad news ? It wont be enough to make it balanced. People will say "Oh well X lock spec does more". As if two wrongs make a right.
Neg mate, its a targeted nerf. A SIGNIFICANT dps decrease. its already estimated 15/20% dps loss. My only question is, if you had an issue w/ snapshotting; CHANGE HOW SNAPSHOTTING WORKS. YOU NEVER... NEVER see any ranged (locks im talking bout you) getting any real nerfs. This is willful negligence at its best. At least BUFFFFF diseases or scourge strike. Can't wait to save my $15 a month, this company doesnt deserve any more of my money.
You are such a baby 😂😂
cope more
Goodbye lol
Unholy dks were doing 15% more damage then the 2nd best dps, all they did was close the gap that would have continued for the entire expansion.
Ranged is favored because making melee friendly fights limits the majority of possible mechanics blizzard could make bosses with.
smugrugs smirks in frost dk
Blizzard tripling quarterly profits here making all minmax Troll DK's go Orc with new race change ahaha.
At the very least it makes me have to pay for a race change..
Please specify how its not a huge and major nerf and how they will do „good dmg“? Right now when you mess up your gary - you are automatically out of the top 10. Thats going from s-tier to c-tier or d-tier. Right now its white dmg + gary and other pets. Unholy dmg without snapshots is subpar at best. With the long fight length its going to be even worse.
This is what I thought at first too, but I think from Rugs' information, gargoyle will get your haste but won't snapshot. Right now, if you mess up your snapshot by summoning garg before some haste procs go off, your garg won't get any of that haste. Hopefully, the new garg will get adaptive haste.
You realize dk without more is still strong right. This just does more than standard dk.
should've put tears on the thumbnail skull and a piece of cheese beside it
#FreeFireEle
"All fights in ulduar will be longer then in naxx so uh dks will kinda get nerfed alrdy, but I still this is a great change." Makes sense mate :D Dk r just over the top for the speedrunner guilds and slightly top tier for average guilds. But hey, warriors in vanilla were balanced :D
On one hand I agree because they can get extremely busted on certain fights but on the other for regular guilds unholy dk's arent necessarilly performing at the absolute top. Generally Rogues and sometimes Warlocks and Frost DKs are seen at the same level. I say this because Rogues are way easier to play than the UH dk and now they will stay are the top even more. Fights like loatheb and Thaddius are bad for UH Dk and they are not at the top. If a fight isn't just a straight up pump n dump and is long enough then UH Dk falls of significantly. And if they get nerfed as well like this they will become B tier rather than drop to A tier if that was what Blizz was going for. Rogues are stupid as fuck. Might as well change them as well while you're at it Blizz.
This change wont affect those Unholy DKs that are performing at the medium tier. It will only hurt those at the absolute top. Those who are unskilled and dont get great snapshots may see better dps with haste changes getting re-evaluated
In other words a pointless nerf 😂😂
Dks were broken. Im glad of this change
meh yeah good players that can snapshot, other then that dont think it should be nerfed or seems pointless to nerf it now. Should just buff other classes instead of nerfing them.
@@KRANative thats the retail spirit. just buff everyone to make class's irrelevant
@@dolamrothknight or don’t make any changes ?
I really hate this whole nerf idea. That's one of reason why I really hate blizz instead of nerfing DK just buff the other classes cuz what's going to happen is the next class going to be on next top DPS list for some parent reason that class need a nerf now too
If one spec is overperforming it is better to adjust that one doec than to rebalance all other specs and bosses and trash (current and future) to work around UH DK.
Yes someone will always be nr 1 but by how much or if it is by stable mechanics in terms of scaling is important. Classic gargoyle is comparable to Legions Surrender to Madness Spriest in how it will scale out of hand as we go on given its mechanics and players skill and ingenuety/degenerecy
Great to see you back at it!
Me that just finished leveling a troll DK to lvl 80... FML!
Poor DKs... everyone who doesn't play the exploit class takes out their tiny violins and plays a dirge for them.
Bro what?
Such a small nerf. They will still be a top dps
Think DW still way to go as Uh or 2h viable?
2H is the way to go imo. I've been running 2H all phase 1 and parsing ~95, 99 on some fights.
@@xden thats troll lmao, DW better 100%
@@Delrancher DW has a higher cieling in the right hands, yeah. Just play what you want. 2H is more fun and it performs very well still. I'll show you my logs.
Dw will still be better. This change doesn’t impact it. Dw is white dmg and dnd dmg. Nothing to do with gargoyle.
@@xden this nerf makes 2h Even worse then it already is... Go watch White Wolf's QnA before you tell someone 2h is good.... it was only good pre patch wotlk / PvP arenas
I'm positive about this. The Gary does unreasonable amounts of DMG as is.. and shaman fire ele doesn't even reset after end of encounters. I mean wtf is that? Why? I keep it glyphed for use on as many bosses as I can, but sacrificing 10% spelldmg on Lava Burst for it. Or 3sec nova on trash.
Army of the dead doesn't reset either
Cry me a river dude. Lol
@@thenikkidixx k
@@xden it wasn't intended to you, snowflake
I hope they give UHDK some kind of tiny gargoyle buff just so it's not a straight up annoying nerf
why would someone nerf something and then buff it? It's all about lowering it's absurd damage.
@@Dexterity07 Not really, it's mainly about changing this absurd focus on snapshotting and thus playing a really degenerate playstyle which (absolutely) leads to a lot of damage which wasn't intended.
But this, especially at the peaks is just a big nerf & it would feel better if there would be some pseudo buff to make it feel less horrible.
@@SkullcandyEdit It's all about their damage and their negative impact on raid comps as many guilds are ignoring other classes just to stack DKs, nothing to do about the snapshot mechanism as warlocks can still snapshot their corruption for example.
@@Dexterity07 It is both.
The class wasn't intended to revolve so autistically about snapshotting, this change fixes both the absurd playstyle and dmg.
Really good video bro :D Unholy still gonna be strong, just not batshit crazy strong lol
Hahahaha this feels so good.
Imagine playing Brain Dead UH DK. Don't even take Scourge Strike??
Fucking snoozers.
Ret paladins aren't being buffed because wotlk Ret is overrepresented in the population, and the players that want to raid on Ret are generally able to find a spot. Dk got nerfed because people were bringing 10+ dks to raids, and they were doing 15% more dps than the next best dps. That gap was only going to increase until fire mages got full bis at the end of icc. The game would be over by the time the other classes scaling caught up to unholy scaling.
one of the only people being reasonable about the change here im shocked
finally some goddamn content thank you
Ret rise up! 😂😂😂
Get rekt, parse culture
I'm a frost boy feeling utterly justified right now
why frost is broken aswell
@@KRANative at least your dps comes from you instead of an exploit 😁
@@Hyperbion7 i wanted to read how salty the comments are and all i see from you here is... well it was intended game mechanics i didn't abuse it myself but it's intended things an exploit is abusing something not intended..
Rise up frosty bois.
*snickers in warrior* xD
Sick hat
I understand that snapshotting is bullshit, but the fact that they're changing things mid-expansion sucks so much. I've spent so much time practicing snapshotting and poring over logs to look for the best haste and AP procs, but now it's all wasted time. I'm sure unholy will still be decent dps but there is no way they are even A-tier after this change. I've been playing unholy because it's fun trying to get a good snapshot, and because it's top dps. I'm definitely swapping to frost or changing mains if this nerf goes through.
Keep huffing the copium though Rugs
thank you rugs
~5% dps loss over a long fight doesn't seem massive, bigtime copers in the DK class thinking this bug wasn't gonna get fixed
Wasn’t a bug
@@elliottramos2149 and yet they fixed it Hmmmge big coper
@@trickdaemon because back than players weren’t as good or had the tech we have now in terms of weak auras and tracking of trinkets and ICDs for line up on snapshot. Like I want to call you a retard but I’m really trying not to. I bet even with this “bug fix” we still pump because now instead of popping it before goyle we pop everything 3 seconds after goyle.
@@trickdaemon I put money I can still put dps YOU though with the so called “bug fix”
@@elliottramos2149 I don't doubt it I don't play DK because it's not fun to me. It's not a MASSIVE NERF it's a simple fix for an extremely strong hero class, anyone whining is a turbo clown
Good god, unholy dk is already so boring to play with the snapshot. I understand why they’re doing it, but this nerf doesn’t change the fact that unholy rotation after snapshot is not engaging at all
What in any way shape or form makes this engaging by nerfing an already fun class to play????
@@KRANative wtf are you saying man. I said this nerf *doesn’t* makes uh dk more engaging. And if you think uh dk is fun to play now, that’s fine. For me, the gary snapshot is the only thing engaging about uh dk in its current form. Everything else in the rotation feels bad.
Rugs I know how smart you are. I know how smart your friends are. I know they've done the math.... You know this is going to cripple uh dks....
ABOUT TIME!!!
If they can nerf The Unholy Warrior they can buff the Holy Warrior😜
love it
Funny how blue parsing dk’s are so happy about this.
YESSSS FINALLY!!!!!
Warmane > wotlk classic
change my mind
cant fix stupid. you can only work with it
Finally, a healthy change! They were just way too cracked. Hopefully this balances the meta just ever so slightly better.
bad change
Thank God Ive been wanting to go frost honestly for like a month now.
Lmao
This is a good change.. I hate the Unholy meta stack, sure people will say just stack Affliction Warlock's now.. but most guilds are already bringing at least 3 + demo anyway I don't feel like they are as overpowered & take a lot of skill other than waiting for the perfect garg snapshot.
Smoking that gary pack rip bozo
Like... Why not just let unholy live their day? People have put so much time into their toons to hit that top of the list spot. So lame
i dont get why they dont just buff other classes that need it, instead of nerfing ones that are already fine.
Because most of the top guilds are running 5 unholy and will get worst
@@nickmoro1908 nerf a class for less than 1% of your total player base seems even more lame
Because they're so busted that they're impacting other peoples game play.
Cry more fotm rerollers, I think it's hilarious, it was clearly broken. Go reroll to another spec you hate to top the meters on a 15 year old easy game that isn't competitive in the slightest.
ima just play frost instead lmao
If you really didnt think unholy wouldn't get nerfed at all, then you're a clown. I'd prefer a haste cap but this was obviously going to happen
bad change, only ppl losing to unh want this. now cba bro
NERFFFFEDDDDD.
Noobs who can’t play their class properly reason they nerf one spec 😂😂😂
Title:MASSIVE Nerf. Actual content: Yeah it’s a nerf but, no big deal. Relax guys. Love your content but this was massive clickbait.
He is just aware of his reach. You don't want to create a shitstorm with pitchforks and changing a snapshot to dynamic IS big. It certainly will be big enough to at least put that class 2 spots down (I personally believe it will be more)
this is terrible I hope it gets reverted everyone should complain
Nah, better this way
IT IS VERY GOOD DKS ARE GETTING NEFED. SHIT CLASS LITERALLY 90% PET DAMAGE