Super useful well edited vid. My biggest problem is not making enough roams at good times, even tho I main bard I feel like everytime I do roam my adc dies instantly
Sometimes ever when u roam correctly it ends up going poorly its a skill knowing that some roams even when correct can end up punished if played well from enemy team
Hi Lathy, what are your thoughts on starting W against ranged matchups? I've been starting W a lot more when laning vs enchanters/mages, seeing how it's very hard to get good value out of a level 1 Q. This video isn't the best example since you're against naut, but in other videos I see you lane against something like Cait+Lux, you miss Q (no flame), and then take Lux E damage. If you start shrine level 1, you get 3 free heals (you restore all your mana back after picking up the initial chimes before waves crash), allowing you to go for autoattack trades at no cost. Maybe they hit you with an AA and an ability, you hit back with 1 or 2 AAs, then eat up your shrine. They take damage, and you've healed back up for free. Even if they get a slightly better initial trade, you have your free shrine heals so almost every early short trade ends up in your favor. Against matchups where lvl 1 prio is important/melee matchups, Q start to zone off their support/prevent any early engages is better. I just think W start is extremely underrated and should be utilized more for situations when landing a good Q is hard lvl 1.
@@LathyrusTv I went through your recent videos against ranged sups and here's what I found: Xayah+Bard vs Kaisa+Senna: Concede lvl 2, miss Q Jhin+Bard vs Cait+Lux: miss Q, even wave state Samira+Bard vs Ashe+Lulu: hit 1 Q, samira proceeds to get super poked and concede lvl 2 Ez+Bard vs Seraphine+Sona: hit 1 Q + AA on Sona for good damage. Proceed to lose wave prio and get pushed in Aphelios+Bard vs Jhin+Senna: Flash Q stun onto senna for a flash trade, followup ganks to kill their bot+support So out of 5 games, there was only 1 game where Q start kind of did something...I just really see a point of a "strong lvl 1" if you're going to concede the wave anyways? Or am I missing something?
@@ゆたぐ-mmj you're looking at the outcome, not the potential outcome. If he didnt start Q first he has no prio at all and once they discover it is very easy to then all in them 2v2 and win the trade since W gives almost 0 combat power. Starting Q is the only way on bard
@@sdm5851But how much meaningful prio do you "potentially" get by starting Q in these games? I'm not talking about laning against melee supports, since I 100% agree starting Q is a no-brainer. But cait karma doesn't care what you leveled, they'll just have prio every time, unless they somehow majorly screw up. In one of the videos, the caption literally says he shouldn't have used Q at all and should have saved mana for W lvl 2. So why even start Q? If I had a 20% chance to double all of my money or lose half of it otherwise, I would never take those odds.
Personally I level 1 gank mid every game, results in a kill probably 15% of the time but more importantly I'll do at least half of the enemy mid laner's health bar and now my mid laner is way ahead. Make sure you position yourself at your bot tier 2 tower until 1:05 so your chimes will spawn favorably for a mid gank
Hey Lathyrus, I read your Renata guide recently and as a bard main I’ve always been interested in playing her so your guide was incredibly helpful. Are you considering ever making content for Renata?
@ Damn shame, you’re one of my fav league content creators and I love the stuff you’ve done for Renata. But I totally get it, I’m sure you’re busy with being the Bard guy lol
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Me as Bard, roam is always the answer
Super useful well edited vid. My biggest problem is not making enough roams at good times, even tho I main bard I feel like everytime I do roam my adc dies instantly
Sometimes ever when u roam correctly it ends up going poorly its a skill knowing that some roams even when correct can end up punished if played well from enemy team
this helps so much. Thanks for the video!
Really good video Lathy 😊
Your content is getting better every day Lathy
Hi Lathy, what are your thoughts on starting W against ranged matchups?
I've been starting W a lot more when laning vs enchanters/mages, seeing how it's very hard to get good value out of a level 1 Q.
This video isn't the best example since you're against naut, but in other videos I see you lane against something like Cait+Lux, you miss Q (no flame), and then take Lux E damage.
If you start shrine level 1, you get 3 free heals (you restore all your mana back after picking up the initial chimes before waves crash), allowing you to go for autoattack trades at no cost. Maybe they hit you with an AA and an ability, you hit back with 1 or 2 AAs, then eat up your shrine. They take damage, and you've healed back up for free. Even if they get a slightly better initial trade, you have your free shrine heals so almost every early short trade ends up in your favor.
Against matchups where lvl 1 prio is important/melee matchups, Q start to zone off their support/prevent any early engages is better. I just think W start is extremely underrated and should be utilized more for situations when landing a good Q is hard lvl 1.
lvl 1 is ur strongest point then again from 6, giving up ur strongest point seems foolish to me
@@LathyrusTv I went through your recent videos against ranged sups and here's what I found:
Xayah+Bard vs Kaisa+Senna: Concede lvl 2, miss Q
Jhin+Bard vs Cait+Lux: miss Q, even wave state
Samira+Bard vs Ashe+Lulu: hit 1 Q, samira proceeds to get super poked and concede lvl 2
Ez+Bard vs Seraphine+Sona: hit 1 Q + AA on Sona for good damage. Proceed to lose wave prio and get pushed in
Aphelios+Bard vs Jhin+Senna: Flash Q stun onto senna for a flash trade, followup ganks to kill their bot+support
So out of 5 games, there was only 1 game where Q start kind of did something...I just really see a point of a "strong lvl 1" if you're going to concede the wave anyways? Or am I missing something?
@@ゆたぐ-mmj you're looking at the outcome, not the potential outcome. If he didnt start Q first he has no prio at all and once they discover it is very easy to then all in them 2v2 and win the trade since W gives almost 0 combat power. Starting Q is the only way on bard
@@sdm5851But how much meaningful prio do you "potentially" get by starting Q in these games?
I'm not talking about laning against melee supports, since I 100% agree starting Q is a no-brainer. But cait karma doesn't care what you leveled, they'll just have prio every time, unless they somehow majorly screw up. In one of the videos, the caption literally says he shouldn't have used Q at all and should have saved mana for W lvl 2. So why even start Q?
If I had a 20% chance to double all of my money or lose half of it otherwise, I would never take those odds.
Personally I level 1 gank mid every game, results in a kill probably 15% of the time but more importantly I'll do at least half of the enemy mid laner's health bar and now my mid laner is way ahead. Make sure you position yourself at your bot tier 2 tower until 1:05 so your chimes will spawn favorably for a mid gank
Goated videos, thanks Lathy
Hey Lathyrus, I read your Renata guide recently and as a bard main I’ve always been interested in playing her so your guide was incredibly helpful. Are you considering ever making content for Renata?
I did in the past but currently it's not in the plans
@ Damn shame, you’re one of my fav league content creators and I love the stuff you’ve done for Renata. But I totally get it, I’m sure you’re busy with being the Bard guy lol
Goated video, but why at 4:45 you didnt Q'd? You clearly had a easy double stun and would prob. save Seraphine?
I have asked those initial questions so often recently
Do you think AP Bard electrocute is viable
These notes are way better than the white text at the bottom
They probably could've 100-0'd you lvl 1 if you didn't have guardian that's crazy
watch out lathy if u keep giving me vids like these i'll make it to challenger and steal your bard :3
Im so early, hell yeah
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