What's the BEST Classic Overdrive Pedal? Tube Screamer, Bluesbreaker, Klone or Blues Driver?

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  • @JackFossett
    @JackFossett  11 месяцев назад +2

    What's your favorite classic overdrive? Let us know! And if you're in the market for a new OD pedal, check them out on Sweetwater here and help support the channel! sweetwater.sjv.io/Y93Vgr

    • @TheRpkennedy
      @TheRpkennedy 11 месяцев назад +2

      I think it may depend on what amplifier they are used with.

    • @shaft9000
      @shaft9000 11 месяцев назад +1

      It's like asking a chef what's their preferred flour, or a painter their favorite pigment for earth-tones.
      The best artisans can make glorious results from modest and mundane ingredients, while the last 2-5% (that may make a huge difference to the chef/artist/musician in how well things go) goes largely unnoticed by the consumer.
      To 99% of most audiences a pedal is ....just a pedal.

    • @mkrj2576
      @mkrj2576 11 месяцев назад

      Yeah, depends on the amp, and the guitar, and if playing live or not. Agree with Jack that with a TS, or the Boss SD1 in my case, for playing with a band I’d be happy with that alone. My Blues jr however sound a bit mid heavy, unlike most Fender amps, so my BD works a bit better I think. I do find the BD more versatile than my SD1 as its range of gain is larger and its ability to ad a bit of top end sparkle is nice.

  • @JamesWilliams-en3os
    @JamesWilliams-en3os 11 месяцев назад +8

    Great comparo, Jack! Being a relic from the 70’s as I am, when I got back into playing electric guitars 10 years ago I was overwhelmed by all the pedal choices. I use an overdrive pedal and a boost pedal, period. I tried a bunch of overdrive pedals, and settled on the two that make the tones I like: a Tube Screamer and a Blues Driver. They sound very different to me, with my rig: I use the TS-9 more often, but the BD-2 is my go-to when I want tones as far from clean as possible. I play two guitars, a 60th anniversary Fender Strat and a PRS SE 594 Zach Myers, and use a Fender Blues Jr IV set to about the edge of breakup.

  • @adeptgopnik
    @adeptgopnik 11 месяцев назад +9

    My fave out of these is the Blues Driver. Specifically I like the Super Phat Mod. Such a great drive for all applications.

    • @JackFossett
      @JackFossett  11 месяцев назад +2

      I have the Super Phat Mod on one of my pedal boards and use it all the time!

    • @Les537
      @Les537 11 месяцев назад

      I got the Super AT Mod version of that pedal (basically has a toggle to reshape with less bass). I LOVE IT. It killed all my other ODs. Rock on.

    • @rocknrollboise
      @rocknrollboise 11 месяцев назад +1

      I've got a SPM on the way (should get here tomorrow) and am super stoked as a former user of a BD-2 back in my gigging days but haven't owned one for about a decade!

    • @adeptgopnik
      @adeptgopnik 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@rocknrollboise enjoy it! It's a classic!

    • @rocknrollboise
      @rocknrollboise 11 месяцев назад

      Thanks, I am for sure, but would be lying if I said I wasn't more than a little disappointed since the announcement of the Muse Driver today... I was searching high and low for a BD2 with top jacks and buffered bypass but had no luck, then today the perfect option appears right after putting velcro on my brand new SPM. Just my luck...@@adeptgopnik

  • @BradRocker
    @BradRocker 11 месяцев назад +6

    I like how you used them in the higher gain setting. Sounds great.

    • @JackFossett
      @JackFossett  11 месяцев назад +1

      We aim to please here at Jack Fossett & Associates

  • @b.j.taylor9576
    @b.j.taylor9576 11 месяцев назад +2

    Appreciate you. Good vids, family man, and among the rare few realizing expletives doesn't make gear sound better.

  • @winstonsmith8236
    @winstonsmith8236 11 месяцев назад +3

    I find the BluesBreaker the most dynamic and emotive. It was the first OD that enhanced my playing, made me more expressive. I like a Klone mostly klean too but I’d choose this Bondi Breakers over any Klone

  • @andrearecchia8859
    @andrearecchia8859 11 месяцев назад +2

    Again, amazing video

  • @eguitarplayer6689
    @eguitarplayer6689 11 месяцев назад +2

    Ever saw "the thneed" overdrive pedal? It has a good sound too.

  • @valueofnothing2487
    @valueofnothing2487 11 месяцев назад +5

    Tube screamer on the neck pickup of the Fender playing lead sounded the best to me.
    The difference in many distortion pedals has to do with how the distortion is created. 'Fuzz' pedals or aggressive pedals over drive a transistor, which can sound harsh - especially compared to tubes. This is why most modern pedal makers use diodes. 'Hard' or 'Soft' clipping is how the diodes are treated. Either the diodes are directly in the signal path or they are sent to ground before a large resistor. Sending the diodes to ground can give nice, transparent, overdrive but of course lacks sustain.
    I think the real problem is still in trying to get the right amount of bass, treble and midrange. This is what makes pedal making an art.

    • @adeptgopnik
      @adeptgopnik 11 месяцев назад

      yeah I think tones stacks can play a pretty big part as well.

    • @3rdStoreyChemist
      @3rdStoreyChemist 11 месяцев назад +1

      Fuzz pedals have used diodes and op amps and there are overdrive pedals with transistors.
      Two of the pedals in this video use hard clipping.
      ‘Harshness’ can be smoothed out and soft clipping can be like a blanket over the amp in the wrong scenario. It’s important to realise it’s about pairing with an amp or other pedals. No soft clipping overdrive comes close to my Plexi on 11, too soft in the end, whereas hard clipping pedals can have that bite, whereas with amps like Fenders with less mids and more high end, this becomes harsh or just sounds a bit cheap. However a bit of volume and getting the tubes working often solves that, hence all the videos titled “You’re using your DS1 wrong”.
      ‘Transparent’ is a strange term, in fact a Fuzz is closer to truly transparent in that there’s no tone shaping going on, so it would be the frequency response going into the pedal being clipped. Guitar DI’ed into a preamp cranked right up is the best example of this. So pedals described as ‘transparent’ are often anything but, as they shape the tone prior and after clipping. In fact the Blues Driver is a great example because it gets into ‘Fuzz’ territory when you max out the gain because the internal tone shaping gets blown out.
      This shaping of the tone is also why a lot of these pedals are popular as boosts into already dirty amps and pedals.

  • @michael_caz_nyc
    @michael_caz_nyc 11 месяцев назад +6

    The Best (for me) = whatever is inside a Barber Electronics Gain Changer SR . . . Killer drive pedal. Makes you Never want-to-put the guitar down.

    • @gergemall
      @gergemall 11 месяцев назад +1

      Thx I’ll check them out ❤.

  • @silviolutti1522
    @silviolutti1522 11 месяцев назад +2

    You should try the Waza Craft series made in Japan by Boss (Bd-2waza craft and Sd-1 waza craft), you might be really surprised by both pedals. Personally I have both and I can tell you that I finally don't need to have anything else. You have two overdrives but, thanks to the standard/custom switch, it's like having four overdrives. Greetings!

  • @johnbose7454
    @johnbose7454 10 месяцев назад +1

    Love your content Jack. I use a T Rex Yellow Drive. Absolutely love it. Blues Driver is a great pedal though for sure

  • @texasbootlegger3752
    @texasbootlegger3752 11 месяцев назад +3

    All have their place Jack. This is what I like - Wampler Moxie, Tumnas and Studio Daydream KCM OD Gold.

    • @JackFossett
      @JackFossett  11 месяцев назад +2

      Wampler Moxie is one of my favorites; it’s fantastic

  • @pahogberg9347
    @pahogberg9347 11 месяцев назад

    For a long time I was a bit "lost" in this world of pedals. Finally, since about thirty years back, I feel I have the combo I will never stop using. The chain now is (I play mainly Tele's) is MXR Dynacomp set very light just to compress the tone ever so slightly and squeeze the overtones to "open up" the full Tele-sound. Then I use a Blues Driver as my basic overdrive. It's the best for me. I have tried so many other pedals, but that pedal was the one I always ended up with again in the end, so..
    Then I use a Super Overdrive last in the chain as "lead volume pedal" if I really want the proper scream on some songs or the lead part on some. So no more testing for me. I will stay with this no matter what.

  • @To.Si.Ma.
    @To.Si.Ma. 11 месяцев назад +4

    My faves:
    1. Boss Blues Driver
    2. Maxon 808 (or JHS Bonsai)
    3. Catalinbread Formula 55
    4. Catalinbread SFT
    5. Cornerstone Gladio SC
    6. JHS Morning Glory

    • @JackFossett
      @JackFossett  11 месяцев назад +1

      I could get behind that list!

    • @To.Si.Ma.
      @To.Si.Ma. 11 месяцев назад

      @@JackFossett love the Supro Trem and Drive too or a good Octafuzz.

  • @Les537
    @Les537 11 месяцев назад

    I used klone clones for years, but about 6 months ago I got a keely Super AT MOD, which is a blues driver mod, and now I'm hooked on it. Love it. I have a box full of dirt pedal rejects. I don't like TS circuits at all.

  • @jesperjacobsen3050
    @jesperjacobsen3050 11 месяцев назад

    Good stuff. I won't say I'm in the camp of those that hate tubescreamers, but I do tend to find it too nasal. Especially after I started diming the mids on my bassman as per your settings in the video about the amp.

  • @s9plus20
    @s9plus20 11 месяцев назад

    I really like the Archer sound! You should check out a Wampler Gearbox, one side is a Pantheon (Blues Breaker) the other side is a Tumnus (Klon clone) and it has a noise gate inbetween. You can change the order too. Its a killer pedal. IMHO.

  • @jfiery
    @jfiery 11 месяцев назад +2

    Blues Driver for me. Although I love my Tumnus too.

  • @paultownsend6043
    @paultownsend6043 11 месяцев назад

    Recently i got a angry drive (boss and jhs collabaration), the boss side is the blues driver and i have to say i love it, that pedal, a tube screamer, my fuzzz and a uni vibe into a fender amp and strat, and i'm in guitar heaven.

  • @kdub0529
    @kdub0529 8 месяцев назад

    I have 3 of the 4 on my pedalboard. TS -> BB -> Archer Ikon.

  • @johnwelsh2769
    @johnwelsh2769 11 месяцев назад

    What works for my Les Paul and 335 doesn't work as well for my Strat, and vice versa. When I discovered the Browne Protein, the blue side (Bluesbreaker) just made my humbuckers sing, but I can't get it to sound right on my Strat. The Wampler germanium Tumnus works great for the Strat. Just my two cents.

  • @DonVal86
    @DonVal86 2 месяца назад +1

    Jack dances better than I do. 👌

  • @claycrowe4032
    @claycrowe4032 11 месяцев назад

    They all sound great. The Blues Driver is my personal preference. It's what I use on my board.

  • @thomaslthomas1506
    @thomaslthomas1506 11 месяцев назад +1

    I like the blues driver. I have used about 6-7 of them thru my years. I've only owned one. Every unit I've used is very different from each other . It may be a QC issue or difference between batches IDK.

    • @JackFossett
      @JackFossett  11 месяцев назад

      I found that with the SD1 - I had one a few years ago from a trade that I hated, but then I decided to give it another go and my new one sounds much better.

    • @3rdStoreyChemist
      @3rdStoreyChemist 11 месяцев назад

      It’s highly likely they’ve been modded if they haven’t been new. All of the popular Boss drive pedals are highly popular for modding.

    • @thomaslthomas1506
      @thomaslthomas1506 11 месяцев назад

      @@3rdStoreyChemist It would surprise me. I liked all of them except the WazaCraft. I did crack mine open after I bought it. I can say I didn't see top shelf caps in there in particular.

    • @3rdStoreyChemist
      @3rdStoreyChemist 11 месяцев назад

      @@thomaslthomas1506 I love my Waza Craft. Didn’t find to sound any different to the standard Blues Driver in standard mode.

    • @thomaslthomas1506
      @thomaslthomas1506 11 месяцев назад

      @@3rdStoreyChemist the one I used must have been further modded (very high gain) it was at a studio it was not mine I showed up used it and left.
      I put a pad on my own BD so that it has a lot more drive. IMHO it made the pedal more usable for me.

  • @aminahmed2220
    @aminahmed2220 11 месяцев назад +1

    What a fantastic video have you enjoyed playing guitar have a good night Jack ❤😊

  • @stevewilliams846
    @stevewilliams846 11 месяцев назад +4

    Jack, we need dancing in every video.

    • @JackFossett
      @JackFossett  11 месяцев назад +1

      You can’t afford me.

  • @adeptgopnik
    @adeptgopnik 11 месяцев назад

    I think a big factor is the tone stack in them. They all have slightly different tone stacks.

  • @michelvondenhoff9673
    @michelvondenhoff9673 11 месяцев назад

    Like camera's, the one you have with you 😉
    Checking out the Combo Deluxe '65 pedal 😎

  • @julielocke-balish1707
    @julielocke-balish1707 11 месяцев назад

    I always used a Bd-2and a Ts-9 but then I bought the Protein v3 pedal and I love it .. I can get very close to the bd2 and ts9 together and then lots of other tones.. I did try the bd2 and ts9 with my Les Paul and Marshall amp but I find with the Marshall I really don’t need any overdrives. 😊

  • @williamnapolitano1550
    @williamnapolitano1550 11 месяцев назад

    blues breaker all the way. Ive played them all..... I even played the KLON on a few ocasions

  • @thomasmetz3
    @thomasmetz3 11 месяцев назад

    Depends on the amp, guitar & sound I’m looking for. I go between a Timmy V2, Tumnus, Pantheon, Belle & UltraPhonix.

  • @TheDenwww
    @TheDenwww 2 дня назад

    BluesBreker!

  • @windsweptguitars
    @windsweptguitars 11 месяцев назад +4

    The ODR1

  • @denbodg9311
    @denbodg9311 11 месяцев назад

    I sold my Bluesbreaker as I didn’t like the sweep on the pots. Never had an Archer ( or a Klon ) so couldn’t comment. I do have a TS808 & a BD2. Occasionally I use the TS808 on its own, but normally boost other pedals with it when required. The BD2 is my always on pedal through a Fender amp. For heavier distortion I have a Drivemaster & a Tone City Golden Plexi. I think the Drivemaster is underrated. Tinkering with the gain & tone can produce some great overdriven tones on its own.

    • @JackFossett
      @JackFossett  11 месяцев назад +1

      I love the blues breaker but I totally agree with you on the sweep - its like a shower that goes from luke warm to flesh melting hot when you turn the dial a 1/16 of an inch.

    • @denbodg9311
      @denbodg9311 11 месяцев назад

      @@JackFossett Never tried it in the shower 😂

  • @tonyvardy2399
    @tonyvardy2399 11 месяцев назад

    The analogman modded ibanez tube screamer is the best overdrive i have with my vox ac30

  • @dazdaz713
    @dazdaz713 11 месяцев назад

    I have a mini tube screamer and i run it into a blues driver . Its perefect for classic rock think acdc thin lizzy guns n roses

  • @gibs8412
    @gibs8412 11 месяцев назад

    Depends on what amp, for my marshals I like the tube screamer, for fenders I like the klon.

    • @JackFossett
      @JackFossett  11 месяцев назад

      Oh that’s interesting, I tend to like the opposite pairing.

    • @gibs8412
      @gibs8412 11 месяцев назад

      @@JackFossett I think you set you amp eqs differently too, so we probably end up in the same place. lol

  • @AnthonyCortese-p4s
    @AnthonyCortese-p4s 11 месяцев назад

    Own or have owned scads of OD pedals... for pure utility the Blues Driver is pretty hard to beat!

  • @Paul_Lenard_Ewing
    @Paul_Lenard_Ewing 11 месяцев назад +1

    The Boss SD-1 is literally a Tube Screamer with just 2 diodes changed. Dave Wampler did a show where he turned the Boss back into a ts in less than 10 minutes. My point being that the ts is more appropriate. I have a Boss OD-1. It is a different thing but it is as gainy as a Blues Driver and no one is going to pay current prices for an OD-1. For the record the Harby Pedals Centauri is a part for part copy of the Klon not what we think of as a clone which 99% of the time is an interpretation. The really cool thing about the Harby is it is $170.00 USD. That said the Archer is close enough. The difference is once you put the Klon past 9 oclock the secret sauce of the pre disappears when the next gain stage blends in. Using the real BluesBreaker was an excellent idea as no one can leave them alone when they make a clone. The JHS totally destroyed it!!!
    To sum it up your choices are excellent. THANX for a serious reference video. If guys chose from it they will not go wrong.

  • @yomommaahotoo264
    @yomommaahotoo264 11 месяцев назад

    A VERY good sleeper pedal overdrive was the Coffin Case Blood Drive made by Dunlop-MXR.

  • @shaft9000
    @shaft9000 11 месяцев назад

    The answer is: _"Yes, I'll have that one please. And that one, too."_ They're just tools, signal-modifiers.
    I've had some variant of all except a BB....the jrockit ikon and BYOC silver pony 2, an early Bad Monkey and the Movall B-Driver clone called 'Interplanetary".
    I don't use them for "their sound", I use ODs as "conditioners" pre- or post- of my fuzz and amp-in-a-box pedals. < - _this is very crucial._
    - TS plays the slinkiest, and tidies any ragged extremes on either end of the spectrum. Sponge-y response and a hump from 300-1k Hz glues the sound. Nice for stage and jamming duty, if not so often the one that gets used in the studio.
    - Centaur is it's own thing, double-duty as boost or a parallel clean+low-gain distortion. Supposedly mimicking a Twin's breakup, the 1k-2k Hz hump pushes a bit more towards a range of almost Vox-y presence vs the TS. Usually last in my drive chain as a colored boost.
    - B-Driver is flatter in the fundamental low-mid but tilts highs a bit like a rangemaster with some glassy and sharp transients of a BF deluxe Reverb. Can get a tad too fizzy up high, but can also be magical. Nice for quiet leads and superb at running into other drive pedals for more upper harmonic emphasis.
    I'd still like to try a Jetter Helium and a Timmy.
    Other than those, the Noble seems slightly interesting but 'the Dumble sound' is more like a moving target with a dollop of woo-woo.

  • @billycarter4832
    @billycarter4832 11 месяцев назад +1

    You have them all set to sound the same...How does that help...??

  • @andersbarfodsvaneskolan9378
    @andersbarfodsvaneskolan9378 11 месяцев назад

    the tone knob on that boss bd2 is weird.. It boost highs when set the tone knob above 11 o'clock. never put the tone knob above 10 o'clock on that pedal..

  • @normanjohnson712
    @normanjohnson712 11 месяцев назад

    Only overdrive I have is the TS-9 Tube Screamer with Fender Deluxe Reverb

    • @JackFossett
      @JackFossett  11 месяцев назад

      I consider that a perfect pairing

  • @al271987
    @al271987 11 месяцев назад

    Can I choose none of them and vote for the Boss OD-3 instead?

  • @Sheegog1972
    @Sheegog1972 11 месяцев назад

    Just plugged in 8 different OD pedals to see how truly different they are. At the end of it I concluded that I sound like me regardless and the pedals matter less than I’d like to admit.

  • @2000SkyView
    @2000SkyView Месяц назад

    SD-1 can do it too 👍

  • @bakkels
    @bakkels 11 месяцев назад

    I just recently got into the BD-2. It''s phenomenal, if anything it is the most multifunctional pedal on this list. So. many. sounds.
    The Tubescreamer is an old friend. I love it. But it only works with a strat in a certain configuration imo. And I like the ts-9 best, yeah I know. So shoot me.
    Klones are overrated. They serve well as boosts. But they don't have that particular growl I'm lookin for at the moment (ymmv of course). And paying multiple k's for an original? I wish I'd meet some people who d9d that just to laugh at them in their face.
    And then we get to the Bluesbreaker. I never played one, but they always sound pretty damn great to me. I really should buy one. (Or should have bought one back in the late 90s when they were up for grabs 😞
    If anything: the BD-2 makes you work it. There are so many sounds in that particular pedal, it's a hoot.

  • @JohnSoldano
    @JohnSoldano 11 месяцев назад

    Love.. the Amulet!!!! O.m.g.

  • @peterhall4852
    @peterhall4852 11 месяцев назад

    Boss Super overdrive and an EQ pedal.

  • @ohpotatoesandmolasses
    @ohpotatoesandmolasses 11 месяцев назад

    Ignore the classics -- there's iterations of all of them with more options now. EAE Limelight is an incredible breaker/screamer-inspired OD.

  • @danstringer7610
    @danstringer7610 11 месяцев назад +3

    I use a Nobels ODR1 and Fulltone OCD v2

    • @JackFossett
      @JackFossett  11 месяцев назад +1

      Fulltone became quite the modern classic, especially about 15 or so years ago - it was the industry standard

    • @friedrudibega6384
      @friedrudibega6384 11 месяцев назад

      I bet they stack well.

  • @joekruger8033
    @joekruger8033 11 месяцев назад +1

    BB Preamp. Nobels ODR-1

    • @JackFossett
      @JackFossett  11 месяцев назад

      Bb is a great pedal! I used to have one; I need to get another

    • @joekruger8033
      @joekruger8033 11 месяцев назад

      @@JackFossett lol, I’m on my 3rd!

    • @JackFossett
      @JackFossett  11 месяцев назад +1

      The very briefly made a limited edition model in a shiny copper enclosure, I badly want one of those but they’re hard to come by

  • @DTension
    @DTension 11 месяцев назад

    In my eyes, well ears, The Archer and the Tumnus are the best klones.

  • @williamnapolitano1550
    @williamnapolitano1550 11 месяцев назад

    I had an IKON. its ok...OVER RATED?

  • @williamnapolitano1550
    @williamnapolitano1550 11 месяцев назад

    YES a low to mid gain

  • @billycarter4832
    @billycarter4832 11 месяцев назад

    All could work in a live situation..Couple tweaks here and there and they all will sound the same..Big advocate of RIGHT HAND plays a huge part of tone !!

  • @NateTheMeh
    @NateTheMeh 11 месяцев назад +2

    Where’s the Nobels!

  • @dustingmyguitars
    @dustingmyguitars 11 месяцев назад

    Like near everything else, it depends on context

  • @linheitzig9227
    @linheitzig9227 11 месяцев назад

    Hey Jack, please leave the dancing to the experts, stick with playing the guitar. Appreciate you Jack, thanks! I'm a tube screamer & blues driver kind of guy. I don't dance either, I know my limitations.

    • @JackFossett
      @JackFossett  11 месяцев назад +1

      I get more money for my after hours gig.

  • @graemero5532
    @graemero5532 11 месяцев назад

    As Monty Brewster would say, "None of the above".

    • @JackFossett
      @JackFossett  11 месяцев назад +1

      What’s your favorite?

    • @graemero5532
      @graemero5532 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@JackFossett If I had to pick one of those I'd go for the Klon style.

  • @TheJoern
    @TheJoern 11 месяцев назад

    The question is not "what's the best", the question should be: "what's it best for?"

  • @raygehring
    @raygehring 11 месяцев назад

    I hate tube screamers. I love tube screamers. Can't stand them and can't live without them. I would never own one, because I own 3. It's like any relationship, ups and downs.

    • @JackFossett
      @JackFossett  11 месяцев назад +1

      If you need to talk to someone… I’m here for you.

    • @raygehring
      @raygehring 11 месяцев назад

      Thx Jack! Perhaps the Tube Screamers & I need some group therapy! We're all stuck with each other for life at this point. @@JackFossett

  • @Harzurner
    @Harzurner 15 дней назад

    If i was forced to have only one, it'd be a vintage RAT.

  • @josecubanosantiago4724
    @josecubanosantiago4724 Месяц назад

    For ac15 users like us i have to say
    Blues driver
    Rat Low gain setting
    Hot cakes

  • @rocknrollboise
    @rocknrollboise 11 месяцев назад

    The Tumnus is actually the most accurate Klone, btw. Come on now, get your facts straight 😂

  • @JohnSoldano
    @JohnSoldano 11 месяцев назад

    Easy.. CENTAVO.... WA.

  • @Pastor_Grant
    @Pastor_Grant 11 месяцев назад +2

    Tube Screamer is overrated

    • @andrewclemons8619
      @andrewclemons8619 11 месяцев назад

      Paul is overrated

    • @Les537
      @Les537 11 месяцев назад +1

      most overrated pedal in creation

    • @Pastor_Grant
      @Pastor_Grant 11 месяцев назад

      @@andrewclemons8619 he is the greatest man in history except for Jesus.

    • @andrewclemons8619
      @andrewclemons8619 11 месяцев назад

      @@Pastor_Grant according to my research Paul is a false apostle. A test if you will to see if we really love God or just want a easy way out.
      Thomas Jefferson, 'Letter to William Short' (1820): Paul was the ... first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus.
      Jeremy Bentham, Not Paul But Jesus (1823): It rests with every professor of the religion of Jesus to settle with himself, to which of the two religions, that of Jesus or that of Paul, he will adhere.
      John Locke, The Reasonableness of Christianity (1695): It is not in the epistles we are to learn what are the fundamental articles of faith, where they are promiscuously and without distinction mixed with other truths....
      Thomas Morgan, The Moral Philosopher (1737-40): St. Paul then, it seems, preach'd another and quite different Gospel from what was preach'd by Peter and the other Apostles.
      Søren Kierkegaard, The Journals (1849,'50,'54,'55): In Christ the religious is completely present-tense; in Paul it is already on the way to becoming doctrine. One can imagine the rest!... This trend has been kept up for God knows how many centuries. || When Jesus Christ lived, he was indeed the prototype. The task of faith is ... to imitate Christ, become a disciple. Then Christ dies. Now, through the Apostle Paul, comes a basic alteration.... He draws attention away from imitation and fixes it decisively upon the death of Christ the Atoner. || What Luther failed to realize is that the true situation is that the Apostle [Paul] has already degenerated by comparison with the Gospel. || It becomes the disciple who decides what Christianity is, not the master, not Christ but Paul,... [who] threw Christianity away completely, turning it upside down, getting it to be just the opposite of what it is in the [original] Christian proclamation.
      Leo Tolstoy, My Religion (1884): The separation between the doctrine of life and the explanation of life began with the preaching of Paul who knew not the ethical teachings set forth in the Gospel of Matthew, and who preached a metaphisico-cabalistic theory entirely foreign to Christ; and this separation was perfected in the time of Constantine, when it was found possible to clothe the whole pagan organization of life in a Christian dress, and without changing it to call it Christianity.