Remembering your test of the Bronson MX that was great, I want to know your opinion on the Lyrik instead of the Fox36. Your first impressions of the Lyrik 2023 compared to the Fox36 being harsh, sound like the Lyrik and the Bronson would be a perfect match. Am I right?
In your website article you said “Via some air pressure, compression, and rebound tweaking we arrived at a fork that tracked better, more effectively used its travel, and yet easily moved down the trail.” It would be great if you’d actually explain what pressure, compression and rebound settings you have settled on to achieve that kind of fork.
WTF? Those settings are 100% dependent on the rider to find out. There is no one config that works for every person out there. The factory suggestions are just that, suggestions.
Yeah but if you give the rider Wright and the settings you as a reader can get an idea or how the damper works under certain conditions. This will then allow you to achieve your fork setup a bit quicker… also if you are reviewing a product that is dependent on how much pressure and clicks you use for you as a user to get good performance out of it, it’s nice to tell people what was needed for you to be satisfied. Even if other people might find satisfaction out of the products performance with a completely different setup
@@johanrr4 That would be cool, but I don't think it costs that much less to manufacture the Charger 1 damper over the new Charger 3. So my guess is that the lower end will continue to use Motion Control, it's just so much simpler.
I have a transition spire with a zeb and super deluxe ultimate, loving my Zeb, but my super deluxe bottoms out on everything, even with excessive pressure, compression, and volume spacers, how would rock Shox’s new shocks compare to a fox DHX2 or float x2? And are they really all that much better than the previous generation?
I just got my new 2023 Zeb yesterday it's mounted and ready for riding. yeah. my son who has 2022 lyric select + was wondering if the RC3 will be compatible or will he have to use the RC2.1?
Found this in the article ¨Any model year 2023 Pike/Lyrik/ZEB can be upgraded to a Charger 3 damper. Model year '21 ZEB or newer can also accept the Charger 3 damper. The model year 2022 and older Pike and Lyrik cannot accept the Charger 3 damper.¨.
Interesting, I hadn’t heard of any issues with creaking. I do have a few friends that had that issue on Fox 36’s. It does appear to be a new CSU design for the Pike and Lyrik though
Im tempted to replace the stock rhythm 34 for a RS pike ultimate on my stumpjumper 29er. Unsure whether to stick with a 150mm travel fork or try a 140??!
Isn't the new Zeb 21.5% stiffer than the old one? Also the lyric is 20% torsionally stiffer so only under very heavy braking or if you for some reason need a lot of force to steer
@@thelongestnameinthecomment9677 yeah, Zeb was 21.5% stiffer than the old Lyrik. New Lyrik is 20% stiffer. Zeb's chassis was unchanged this year, so according to their own claims, they're basically the same stiffness now.
It sounds like Rock Shox is coping DVO on their approach to tuning a fork. I even heard the Rock Shox rep say "Off The Top" which DVO has a system call "OTT". So DVO was ahead of their time? This also explains all of the mixed reviews on their forks. They set up different then a Rock Shox fork, if you set up a DVO going into it assuming it is the competition then it will ride like crap. I know it took me a couple weeks to find my happy place with my DVO fork, but now that I found it, I don't plan to switch back
@@Nico-- same… this might be the upgrade idk… have grip 2 in two bikes… looking too upgrade my 36 on my mega .. the new zeb might be the one … tbh though they really are all good forks and one won’t have much of a big performance difference no matter what u go for…
I was thinking about upgrading my Fork, but cant decide between the pike, lyric or zeb, those 3 came in 27.5 160mm. I want it to be balanced, good in corners, fast speeds, jumps, rocky sections etc, and dont really prioritize any of those. Considering i dont go really really fast, probably the Lyrix is going to match up for me. What do u think? My current fork is a 2017 pike RC, it works fine, but while going fast in broken sections i can feel a lot of the terrain in my hands
Upgrade your damper to 2.1 RCT3 and debon air spring in your pike RC 2017 , this made a huge difference for me, also added more padded grips like the Oury grips.
I‘ve changed the damper in my 2020 Yari to Charger 2.1 RCT3, debon air 160mm for trail riding-180mm for some bike park sessions, worked out perfect for me. (With shockwizz runs to fine tune both setups)
I disagree with upgrading the pike itself if you do serious riding and use 160mm. If you're sub 90kg, go with a Lyrik. If you're over 90kg, go with a Zeb
I went for the Zeb 170mm but i am an agressive rider who likes to speed through harsh sections. I think i would have also been fine with the Lyrik but i really like the stiff feeling of the Zeb which gives me confidence when it is getting wild. On the other hand the bike feels not as agile and heavier. In the end you always have to make compromises
Let go of the "using full travel" idea. It's outdated now! Go back and listen to the podcast on your own website with Darren of Push. Just set up your suspension to FEEL the way you want it to ride and feel!
@@sorinvladu7021 nah its already perfect but the stickers can be updated but its already cool also the design of lowers have potential weight savings as it is one of the lightest DJ/SS fork weighing 1,800 kg if they can put it to 1,500 like they will be far ahead of other brands.
@@ROSE-by5su yeah but their only real competitor is Marzocchi, which they're already like 250g lighter than. It's also such a small buyers market that it probably wouldn't be worth the effort
Like thes #MTB news sistems of. #RockShox so forcks and shcks marcs. Zeb and Lyrik. Pike goods. Deluxe air coil so espeks sens trails sessions a so fas. 🤟🏻🗣️algu day for my paid the new so sitems #Mountainbike. Saluds of Chile 🇨🇱 enjoy video 🤟🏻
@@th_js yeah code rsc are great have them on my mega and the heckler… don’t need more stopping power in the mega nut the e bike… I feel would need more ig… but they are super cool and with the matchmaker and axs components I got on the mega and mechanical on the heckler the cockpit doesn’t get any cleaner then that tbh…:)
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Really glad I've been putting off upgrading.
Nice. Might hold off on a purchase for another year just to get the 'next hype' components...
I just got my zeb select yesterday.the zeb select doing great try some trail,downhill.enjoy well with my new zeb select.
Are there any videos on the pike base??
7:46 those shoelaces are awesome.
guess I'm waiting for those instead, thank you for the good information 😊
Remembering your test of the Bronson MX that was great, I want to know your opinion on the Lyrik instead of the Fox36. Your first impressions of the Lyrik 2023 compared to the Fox36 being harsh, sound like the Lyrik and the Bronson would be a perfect match. Am I right?
In your website article you said “Via some air pressure, compression, and rebound tweaking we arrived at a fork that tracked better, more effectively used its travel, and yet easily moved down the trail.” It would be great if you’d actually explain what pressure, compression and rebound settings you have settled on to achieve that kind of fork.
WTF? Those settings are 100% dependent on the rider to find out.
There is no one config that works for every person out there. The factory suggestions are just that, suggestions.
Yeah but if you give the rider Wright and the settings you as a reader can get an idea or how the damper works under certain conditions. This will then allow you to achieve your fork setup a bit quicker…
also if you are reviewing a product that is dependent on how much pressure and clicks you use for you as a user to get good performance out of it, it’s nice to tell people what was needed for you to be satisfied. Even if other people might find satisfaction out of the products performance with a completely different setup
What size did you guys put on the rear stumpy? I waiting on my zeb ultimate to arrive!!
Sweeeet! I was considering treating myself to a Fox, but I guess I will just wait now!
Edit: is the Domain getting a charger 3?
Revelation, Yari and Domain don't get the good dampers
If we're lucky we might get the old charger damper in the revelation, yari and domain forks
@@johanrr4 That would be cool, but I don't think it costs that much less to manufacture the Charger 1 damper over the new Charger 3. So my guess is that the lower end will continue to use Motion Control, it's just so much simpler.
@@iffy_too4289 I know you're being flippant, but the MoCo damper design must be older than some riders by now :D
@@laurentp89 yari gets charger 1
Love my Flight attendant!
I have a transition spire with a zeb and super deluxe ultimate, loving my Zeb, but my super deluxe bottoms out on everything, even with excessive pressure, compression, and volume spacers, how would rock Shox’s new shocks compare to a fox DHX2 or float x2? And are they really all that much better than the previous generation?
Just get the megneg and you're done.
That's wild. I have rarely bottomed out the shock on my sentinel. Both X2 and topaz. I weigh 230. DVO Topaz has been the smoothest.
@@DM-hw4cr what have you been running for spring rates? I'm 200 and find getting the plushness I want out of my sentinel a little tricky
Did U watch the Video or Just commented and moved on? New one hast bottom Out Control so Ur bottoming Out Problem might be fixed
I just got my new 2023 Zeb yesterday it's mounted and ready for riding. yeah. my son who has 2022 lyric select + was wondering if the RC3 will be compatible or will he have to use the RC2.1?
I hope they answer this!
Found this in the article ¨Any model year 2023 Pike/Lyrik/ZEB can be upgraded to a Charger 3 damper. Model year '21 ZEB or newer can also accept the Charger 3 damper. The model year 2022 and older Pike and Lyrik cannot accept the Charger 3 damper.¨.
@@johanrr4 ooh damn, the 2.1 rc2 is still a good charger, and looks like it will have to do.
Anyone know if they did anything to fix the creaking CSU?
Interesting, I hadn’t heard of any issues with creaking. I do have a few friends that had that issue on Fox 36’s. It does appear to be a new CSU design for the Pike and Lyrik though
@@BrickBike My Pike, Lyrik and Zeb have all creaked insanely loudly.
is there any backwards compatibility on the ZEB?
Yes, full details are in our article.
Im tempted to replace the stock rhythm 34 for a RS pike ultimate on my stumpjumper 29er. Unsure whether to stick with a 150mm travel fork or try a 140??!
Stick with 150 my brother
Zeb was 21.5%, 7% & 2% stiffer. Now the Lyrik is 20% stiffer.
They're the same now then?
Isn't the new Zeb 21.5% stiffer than the old one?
Also the lyric is 20% torsionally stiffer so only under very heavy braking or if you for some reason need a lot of force to steer
@@thelongestnameinthecomment9677 yeah, Zeb was 21.5% stiffer than the old Lyrik. New Lyrik is 20% stiffer. Zeb's chassis was unchanged this year, so according to their own claims, they're basically the same stiffness now.
@@Coerced Yeah that's weird, they probably should have checked their old claims first
Are you guys doing a review of the megatower?
Where's the new 38 Boxxer!?? lol
it's basicly the ohlins dh 38, so they would have to compete🤣
I’ve heard it’s gonna be 40mm
@@janetcharlish6483 Source?
Will the charger 3 be interchangeable for previous forks?
Only with zeb
Any idea when these will be available for purchase?
they're available now at some dealers. may have to shop around, some are still waiting on delivery.
still ride 2017 pike no complaints:))
OK COOL, but can we get a bike check with homie at 6:17? I need details on that paint job.
Haha, that's a custom job Chris had done. Pretty cool, eh?
I owe lyrk 2021 with 2.1 damper. Why would I updgare ?
It sounds like Rock Shox is coping DVO on their approach to tuning a fork. I even heard the Rock Shox rep say "Off The Top" which DVO has a system call "OTT". So DVO was ahead of their time? This also explains all of the mixed reviews on their forks. They set up different then a Rock Shox fork, if you set up a DVO going into it assuming it is the competition then it will ride like crap. I know it took me a couple weeks to find my happy place with my DVO fork, but now that I found it, I don't plan to switch back
They aren’t similar. Dvo ott setting is a coil spring adjustment. The rockshox negative spring is air.
Can we talk about the new nomad sighted at 10:14 in the video ?
I am Japanese. It looks like fun in that country as well.
Sounds like they “tractive tuned” them. Me likey
Thanks for this great video
I can't help but feel that Rockshox are on a catch up game with Fox?
@@Nico-- Charger 2 was already grip2 level performance.
the fact that RS is always ahead.... only fox diehard gold kashima lover fans thinks fox is ahead of RS.
@@Nico-- same… this might be the upgrade idk… have grip 2 in two bikes… looking too upgrade my 36 on my mega .. the new zeb might be the one … tbh though they really are all good forks and one won’t have much of a big performance difference no matter what u go for…
Yes 2.1 was on level on grip 2 maybe a little worse due to oil stick, but charger 3 blew the grip 2 out of the game
Hopefully the current zeb goes on sale now
When can we expect to see these sold? Keen as.
I was thinking about upgrading my Fork, but cant decide between the pike, lyric or zeb, those 3 came in 27.5 160mm. I want it to be balanced, good in corners, fast speeds, jumps, rocky sections etc, and dont really prioritize any of those. Considering i dont go really really fast, probably the Lyrix is going to match up for me. What do u think? My current fork is a 2017 pike RC, it works fine, but while going fast in broken sections i can feel a lot of the terrain in my hands
Upgrade your damper to 2.1 RCT3 and debon air spring in your pike RC 2017 , this made a huge difference for me, also added more padded grips like the Oury grips.
I‘ve changed the damper in my 2020 Yari to Charger 2.1 RCT3, debon air 160mm for trail riding-180mm for some bike park sessions, worked out perfect for me. (With shockwizz runs to fine tune both setups)
I disagree with upgrading the pike itself if you do serious riding and use 160mm. If you're sub 90kg, go with a Lyrik. If you're over 90kg, go with a Zeb
I went for the Zeb 170mm but i am an agressive rider who likes to speed through harsh sections. I think i would have also been fine with the Lyrik but i really like the stiff feeling of the Zeb which gives me confidence when it is getting wild. On the other hand the bike feels not as agile and heavier. In the end you always have to make compromises
Is the Pike DJ going through major changes in this lineup?
what is that chainring 6;20
ehm, can you install the butter cups on the already existing forks?
The details are in our article but the short answer is "some." Pike and Lyrik: No. ZEB: Yes
Can ZEB be upgraded? Does this mean that Stumpjumper EVO can use a Rockshox coil?
The ZEB can be upgraded. We're not sure about the coil/stumpy combo.
I’m curious as well. Pink bike had the coil on a stumpy evo in their article picture on the rockshox stuff
This is how bikes become even more expensive next year.
Zeb all the way
Bro, wheres the Pike DJ??
Riding with Fox pants on a Rockshox presentation. Ballsy...
fox clothing is different than fox shox
Fox sucks
Although fox head and fox tail are different brands, i think the founders are infact brothers?!
how to buy a fork without money?
Kidney is the way to go
@@lowteeens hahahahaha🤣🤣🤣🤣
Crime
@@th_js hahaha
Let go of the "using full travel" idea. It's outdated now! Go back and listen to the podcast on your own website with Darren of Push. Just set up your suspension to FEEL the way you want it to ride and feel!
Wish theres new Rockshox Pike DJ in future
personally I don't think there's any need. It doesn't need to be a very complex fork.
@@sorinvladu7021 nah its already perfect but the stickers can be updated but its already cool also the design of lowers have potential weight savings as it is one of the lightest DJ/SS fork weighing 1,800 kg if they can put it to 1,500 like they will be far ahead of other brands.
@@ROSE-by5su yeah but their only real competitor is Marzocchi, which they're already like 250g lighter than. It's also such a small buyers market that it probably wouldn't be worth the effort
where is the yari :/
Like thes #MTB news sistems of. #RockShox so forcks and shcks marcs. Zeb and Lyrik. Pike goods. Deluxe air coil so espeks sens trails sessions a so fas. 🤟🏻🗣️algu day for my paid the new so sitems #Mountainbike. Saluds of Chile 🇨🇱 enjoy video 🤟🏻
got my new bike with a 2022 lyrik just yesterday, rip me.
"some competing brands" (ie fox its only fox) haha
in terms of mass production - yes
but other brands also have nice products like DVO
Who the hell is Seymour Forktravel?
Is Boxxer red dead? Say it ain’t so!
Did fox sue rockshox recently due to new forks?
yep, over the bleeder valves
So basically, the new rockshox stuff is ridiculous
more like, they shouldve released this 5 years ago. Now the question is, what will Push industries do to make these shocks and forks better.
A year later, we see it's ridiculous alright. No real improvement to the rider, just hard to service.
+27 fast, -19 drag, -17% weight, + 90% of your fork is already overkill
Stay on your gravel bike..
Try riding on that terrain with 90% less travel and see how you get on. Yes it’s doable but I’ll take my “overkill” any day
Better to overkill than to underperform, sucks to bottom out harshly and to break the frame
Disagree completely
maybe x% stiffer but definitely x x x % too bloody expensive for many, MTB pricing is way out of control.
mm new nomad there
Always superior to Fox. Now please improve your code brakes.
Improvement is always welcome, although the Code RSC is already great with proper setup.
@@th_js yeah code rsc are great have them on my mega and the heckler… don’t need more stopping power in the mega nut the e bike… I feel would need more ig… but they are super cool and with the matchmaker and axs components I got on the mega and mechanical on the heckler the cockpit doesn’t get any cleaner then that tbh…:)
I think i will stick with fox forks never had a problem with them.
Arh crap. There’s 5 clicks but start with the middle. Wait…what?
If you start at the middle, you're in the 3rd click. That means that you have 2 available clicks to go into in both directions of rotation.