Ford government says moving Ontario Science Centre would save $250M
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
- The Ontario government is releasing a long-awaited business case for its decision to move the Ontario Science Centre to Ontario Place, saying relocating the attraction to Toronto's western waterfront would save more than $250 million.
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When they tell you they are saving money, get ready to pay and lose services
It’s hard to trust that we are going to save money given the history of government projects. Also, you’re moving a very popular venue to a very congested area of the city. It truly means that I may never go to the science centre again.
It's not popular. That's the problem. The attraction is stagnant.
@@death2putin718agree. Ontario science centre became very boring. Unless they invest a lot of money and talent (!) into it, move will be just a waste of money and will put one more attraction into very congested area.
I loved bringing my daughter to the science centre when she was young. The waterfront is closer to where I was at the time and I might have gone more often if it was closer. I assume the con government will make a whole lot of money re-zoning and taking bribes from the most aggressive developer. Ontario Place needs a facelift and there might be some ?synergy? with other entertainment venues in the area.
There were reasons why the Science Centre was located where it was. It was intended to encourage people to get to know the area and to bring development there. It was designed by a major Canadian architect and thus has historical significance. Students of architecture learned how to integrate design into existing natural environment. When you explored the facility, you "flowed" up and down the landscape and could often see outside and know where you were relative to the environment. It was not all about money. It was an opportunity to question your values and what it is that makes life worth living. And it was fun to try the exhibits. Nobody was forcing you to learn from your experiences there, so maybe you didn't learn anything. I never had that problem.
Colour me very skeptical & suspicious that Doug Ford & the OPCs have any interest in science or promoting anything science oriented. The Science Center isn't their priority.
There's lots to learn about hash and label adhesives.
What developer/s are interested in the existing site and how much is Ford getting "under the table"???
Flemington park exploded, so I'm sure more apartments would gobbled up the site. As a kid, the science center was free, and my cousins and I spent hours exploring it. It's easily accessed from the DVP. The previous mayor Tory talked about moving everything to downtown Toronto, and moving homeless shelters, rooming houses and charities to the ' burbs. I see Ford has that same vision. Make downtown NYC, with the boroughs as the bearers of social programs, schools, and immigration issues. FORD forgets he is the premier of ONTARIO, not just Toronto. Is he going to oppose the Mennonites being pushed out of Kitchener rural area by immigrant house building, to build farming community in Kent county? Because he might want to build a spa there?
Exactly
And what happens to the old science center property?
Does one of Doug's buddies get dibs?
Owned by TRCA & protected land. Can’t develop on it at the moment.
@@Toronto_Jamesthey changed the protected status of parts of the greenbelt, so that doesn't mean much
The site is own by the city, and the TRCA is on a 99-year lease.
If the Ford government plans on saving money, it will be at a larger cost elsewhere or he will be benefitting personally.
Old dougy has probably sold the land the science center is on now to one of his buddies already. Needs them out asap
He’s not allowed to. The science center land is protected & not actually owned by the province.
@@Toronto_James Dougie will just favour another of those Ministerial Zoning Orders and rip that one up.
Exactly. And the protected land thing-well, DF is going to change that real quick!
Looks like you were correct ! It’s been officially permanently closed
what are the up front costs??? save 250 over 50years SOUNDS nice, but i bet the devil is in the details.
Why are people sitting down quiet and allowing these fools to do as they please with the people's assets? There is not enough traffic downtown? Ford must go. This man is destroying Ontario and it's public assets. People let us organize and go down for them.
I love that Alberta and Ontario are run by premiers who care about the oil lobby, contruction firms, Swedish spa companies... all before Canadians. I love that about them. They are so ready to make sure that The Fraiser Institute gets their way and we all know think tanks run by oil companies and global construction companies know what's best for us!
Now ask yourself how they can call themselves 'conservative' while spending as much or more as liberals
We need an actual 'conservative' premier. Nothing about what Doug has done over the past several years is
'Ontario open for business.' Nothing about Ontario right now shows that. The 401 is a mess everything is a mess in our major city
@@alexg9727conservative governments always run high deficits. That they don't is a lie.
No such thing as fossil fuels. That is a proven fact.
Look after the citizens before you help line the pockets of the millionaires.
I wonder who Ford is working with on this? Same designers who would have built homes in the Greenvelt??? Hmm? Somebody is going to make buckets of money on this, count on it. This country needs homes for the middle and poorer classes. Luxury spa needed? Why?
It's moving to an area a quarter of the size... they simply CANNOT offer the same experience with that smaller footprint.
But are we really getting good experience at the current one? It’s mediocre at best compared to science museums in other major metropolitan areas
looks old tbh
Considering the state of it as is, it may not be worse...
Speaking as an occasional visitor to Toronto, everything else being even, I'd be more likely to visit the Science Centre at Ontario Place than at the current location. It is closer to the other obvious tourist attractions. Unfortunately, I have very little confidence in the Ford government to actually manage any kind of major project.
@@jeffreyquinn3820 Exactly. I had family come to visit from out of country but it was so far out of the way they didn't care.
A load of BS
Admission has never been particularly cheap, so why haven’t these funds been used to systematically upgrade the science centre from the very beginning. Sounds once again like a misappropriation of funds. A savings over 50 years is hardly something to get excited about. Wool over our eyes move???
no thanks. it will open tons of excuses for budget overruns and more corruption opportunities. decline in patronage is because of high taxes/childcare costs and inflation!
translation : a big business is going to give us money if we do what they say, and you the tax payer ? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA oh you peasants
The best thing Doug Ford could do to help Ontarans is resign.
There are to many things in the downtown area, -parking, the DVP, rush hours. Discourages tourism to get to the downtown area, increases cost of going dramatically
Close the award winning beautifully designed Science Centre and stuff it into a corner of the
Ford Fiasco Place.
Seems insane.
Kids in the north will not be able to visit again
The is prime location land Doug is opening up to developers…even though it is a valley.
Its we the people hould decide...these politicians should not make the final say...look what happened with Sky dome $800million + to build and sold it to Rogers $ 25 million plus the land.....the last time I checked..we Ontarians didn't get the final say
makes me wonder who is in the background getting their pockets filled in this "genius" move as in the Greenbelt deal
Smells fishy
Definitely keep an eye on who buys the old location.
Hell no. Its going to be way over budget and will only cost tax payers more money than the repairs to the existing site.
I suggest that the first 500 free memberships to this golden spa that Humpty Dumpty proposes be given to the people who are most affected by the removal of the science centre at its present location…… what do you say Humpty?❤🇨🇦
Doug hide last 2 slices of cheesecake behind his back with crumb on his mouth telling us folks cheesecake and buck beer is finish.
I wonder what the business case proposes for the land currently occupied at the current location? Sell off to (connected) developers for condos?
more people would visit Ontario place because of the science center, should have been done 30 years ago, as for this SPA, have mixed feelings, certainly dont think of Ontario Place as SPA day sight to visit, science, technology, SPA, does not seems to add up.....places in Europe like Hungary, have great historic spa's as part of their culture, does not make it part of our culture...Ontario place should be a place for family, kids etc makes sense....not spa days and yachts for a few, where s the joy....
I wonder which of Ford's friends will benefit from this plan?
Hahaha does anyone actually believe anything the government says anymore?
It only saves money if you 1) ignore the cost of relocating it, 2) ignore the time value of money, 3) ignore the downtime, 4) ignore inflation and ignore the complete inaccuracy of 50 year projections, 5) assume that the move will have no adverse effect on visitor revenue. The Infrastructure Ontario guy speaking in its favour will have the job of building the Ontario Place monstrosity so hardly unbiased. Let’s even overlook the fact that most I/O projects have been an economic disaster (Eglinton LRT as a for instance). The secret lease with Therme must obligate the Ford government to relocate the Science Centre to Ontario Place to help anchor the site. Ford is trying to avoid disclosing that very expensive fact so he can build his monument to himself.
Better build houses for homeless people with all those million dollars 😅😅😢
It should stay where it is it brings back good memories
The spa would fail by the way
They would have to redo the entire waterfront as well, and make it nice as they did to the other area of the waterfront east of there. Nice enough to have good transit to the area even. I think that's why people don't go down there often even though it's nice land on the water
What you have to do is make it very nice so that kids frequently go there just from Toronto public schools
Sure tell us who do you deal that land cause I’m sure you guys don’t sell your mother cause she can’t be in Wall Street market !!!
Horsepucky
#DoughFordStickyFingers
Sticky from hiding cheesecake behind his back and crying with crumb on his mouth telling us "it's finish folks."
For 40 years I lived in various homes in the Mississauga - Hamilton corridor. Not once did I ever visit the Ontario Science Centre. It was just too inconvenient to drive to the East end of the city. My visits were limited to downtown and Ontario Place. I’m sure if the Science Centre was located on the Ontario Place grounds, attendance by visitors and even locals would increase dramatically. So a $250M savings plus improved revenue from attendance only makes sense… at least far more than putting a spa there.
41 years in Hamilton, three generations and still going to the science centre, excited to take Line 5 there because I actually like science and technology.
Big "Homer Simpson visiting NYC" energy from this comment.
How about renovating the current site? It's a gorgeous site, and I don't see how tearing down the old one and building a new one at Ontario Place is nothing more than DoFo trying to legitimize the revamp of Ontario Place to be more commercial which most oppose.
At least this Govt attempted to make a financial case for the move. Other governments routinely spend many thousands of millions they don't even have without thinking at all.
That’s like when my wife comes home and says “…guess what? I saved $50 on these new pair of shoes.
Follow the money, its always about money...
3:54 I Live right in front of it. I haven't meet anyone working there. It brings nothing but traffic to the neighbourhood
I get it is more attractive to build it at waterfront, and to renew Toronto attractiveness and tourism, among other things, activities and entertainments. A bit like Montreal. Though I will say I love the old one. My only concern is how large it will be, need to be large enough. I love the Montreal one and how they organise event less of a central down approach.
Science Centre land could be better used for housing with its proximity to the new Eglington line. Rebuild it, but not at Ontario Place.
Of course, comments are open now but never when Trudeau is the topic. Is this a coincidence?
Sorry about your feelings
The old science centre is being renovated into an interment camp like too many Walmarts. They’re all near train tracks.
I have visited the CNE, Ontario Place, and Toronto Island a bunch of times (all in the same area), but never visited the science centre because it was too inconvenient to get there. I never understood why they put it way out there to begin with. If it was at Ontario Place, I would actually go there. This sounds like a really good and common sense move to put it at an entertainment district like Ontario Place.
Toronto Car Guy from the west end has been complaining about Toronto having an east end since the 1980s. That's why everything is in godforsaken Mississquallor now.
Get. out. of. your. car. and. take. the. metro. it's. a. big. city. homeboy.
@@BrodieChree NO THANKS! Haven't you heard of the daytime Metro shootings??? Google it, buddy!
Did you like the traffic and parking price?
one of his buddies wants the land
Yes, thats what I want to do, from out of town drive through downtown Toronto, maybe find parking 20 blocks away or take a go train. Why don't you guys save money elsewhere, why not cut health care again? Its not like I can get a Dr. anyways.
Wasnt the science center at Ontario place before??😊 I thought I saw the batmobile there in the 70 s😮
How about North of the city wherr all Ontarians can drive/access it.
She is a fool, science is always moving and upgrading, Doug Ford is right, the business of a spa resort will create more jobs. As a contractor I would say 250 million in savings is the low end, as the attendance, the customer is in the city, not out at a remote location.
And what will replace it? More damned condos!!!!
Over 50 years omg 😂
Besides fools some things mean more then money ever could qnd our science centre is one of them. Maybe be only one left.
What's this do to Sudbury
Just hoping it’s really good hash oil.
Why is this building designed for people taller than 20 ft.
Marit Stiles is such a Karen.😂
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Reset on route.
Baton ur hatches & prep for a reset.
Get some astronaut kinda boots for the coming onslaught of the beginning reset.
Im 100% behind this but think savings shouldnt marter here. Increase the budget and go all out on this and make sure there are spaces for engineers and scientists to have labs that tourists can go and see or even interact with.
Science is important. Schools send our kids there still, as I went with school growing up in Barrie.
So this is for all of Southern Ontario but now with this planned move, could become a world hotspot!
Science and innovation center, spa, science center, waterpark, what else can they put in there!
This will become a destination for many people! Im excited because it gets people and especially kids, around science!
And spa for rub tug and cheesecake with buck ah beer
Just do it!!!
Why not just shut it down. Boom billion in savings.
Move it. The old location was stagnant. The opposition talking about lost jobs is bs
Makes sense. More tourists there
Says who? You, and that's who. It's fine where it is.
@@thesweetone you have data?
I have lived in Toronto all my life. I now no one who goes to that area. It is a hassle to get there and takes so much time. And parking starts at $20 for half an hour
Where is that money going then
Doggie A La douchbag...He gonna fix youse alrite...
Humpty dougie douchebox