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  • Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
  • We compare the Canon 16-35mm F/4 IS against the older Canon 17-40mm F/4 in a landscape photography setting to see if the upgrade is worth the money.
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    After a recent video some said I should get the Canon 16-35mm to replace my 17-40mm. So I have. But I’ve been talking recently how the gear doesn’t make the photographer so I’m not totally convinced this purchase was required. So I thought I would put it to the test, possibly prove myself wrong, and help you when it comes to making your next lens purchase decision.
    Sharpness
    There are certain things important to me in a lens when shooting landscape photography. Sharpness is important up to a certain extant. Once an acceptable level of sharpness is reached then I am happy. Most photographs are viewed at a reasonable distance and a normal viewer is not looking at minute details or pixel peeping an image. The overall story is much more important.
    Lens Distortion
    When working with super wide angles like 16-20mm, distortion can become a real problem and is extremely distracting and prevalent in cheaper lenses. The Canon 17-40mm handles distortion reasonably well so I was interested to see if Canon 16-35mm F/4 IS would be better.
    Chromatic Aberration
    The coloured soft edges in high contrast areas of an image look extremely unpleasant and can make an image look cheap. Also known as chromatic aberration, one major benefit of a high quality lens is the ability to control it. These days, it can be controlled in post-processing but it results can be hit and miss depending on the image. The Canon 17-40mm can be susceptible to chromatic Aberration, can the 16-35mm improve matters.
    When conducting a camera lens review I am also looking at build quality and extras such as IS. Image stabilisation is not important to me for stills. For video, it is much more important so it is still something I look for.
    In the video I pit the two lenses against each other at Ribblehead viaduct in the Yorkshire Dales. The Limestone pavement provides some big foreground interest for a shot, something I really wanted to include in the lens review.
    My video photography blogs are designed to entertain and document how I go about capturing my work. If it provides landscape photography tips and inspiration along the way then please share it with your friends so more people can benefit from the content. If you enjoyed this photography vlog I would really appreciate it if you subscribed to the channel so you can come along for the journey.

Комментарии • 231

  • @RalphGoldsmith
    @RalphGoldsmith 6 лет назад +67

    Good review. I do think these 'real world' comparisons are so much more worthwhile than the lab tests.

    • @Firstmanphotography
      @Firstmanphotography  6 лет назад +1

      Thanks Ralph. That's kind of how I felt too. I hope it's true, they require a lot more time and effort to make than lab test.

    • @eagletheblue
      @eagletheblue 6 лет назад +1

      While „real world“ comparisons are more on the subjective side, a lab test is an objective comparison/test. Both complement each other in making a decision, but neither is enough alone imo, for buying expensive glass.

    • @karikaru
      @karikaru 3 года назад +1

      Sorry to reply to such an old comment - but I agree. Seeing technical reviews, pixel peeking, diagrams and charts are helpful but can create mountains out of molehills. For most of us who probably fall into the pro-sumer or semi-pro or serious-hobbyist category, we're not printing our work on billboards or sides of box trucks and therefore the extra sharpness probably isn't enough to justify $400 extra. Likewise, if a job did come up where you did need that type of detail in something like a real-estate photo job or a landscape, you can digitally stitch the photos so you're only using the sharpest area of the photos to composite into one ultra sharp shot. IS is nice, but again - some of us need to count our coppers a little more closely than others, and unless I have a sudden windfall of cash sometime soon - looks like the 17-40 is on the menu for me.

  • @PMCN53
    @PMCN53 5 лет назад +19

    I have been using the 17-40 for quite a few years now. I use it now on my Canon 5DSR, a very unforgiving , HIGH MP resolution. I have no issues what so ever with this lens. The "PIXEL PEEPERS" out there find fault in something in it anyway. I have printed large (1000mm wide) NO issues with prints. Contrast can be corrected in LR/PSCC. I can't justify the expense. Happy with the results from the 17-40mm. Good clean comparison Adam.

  • @MariNate1016
    @MariNate1016 5 лет назад +3

    Picked up the 16-35 last week and haven’t taken it off my camera since being in Thailand. Got it with the m50 speedbooster and it’s amazing.

  • @rossmackenzie3599
    @rossmackenzie3599 6 лет назад +16

    Having changed from the 17-40l to the 16 35 f4 is recently after a year of thinking about it I'm gutted I didn't do it earlier, the difference is night and day. Corners on the older lens were horrific!!!

  • @ToastandJam52
    @ToastandJam52 6 лет назад +6

    Adam, I really like these kinds of videos where equipment is tested in a real-life environment. It is far more meaningful than reading a ton os statics, graphs, and tables. Please keep up the good work! Thanks!

    • @Firstmanphotography
      @Firstmanphotography  6 лет назад +1

      Thanks buddy. Glad you enjoyed it. The lab tests are fine but I want to share my real world experience of the gear. Mainly because that's what I am interested in hearing about from others.

  • @tekguyphoto
    @tekguyphoto 6 лет назад +1

    Hi Adam, I switched from 17-40 to the 16-35 a few years back and been enjoying the lens since. I don't shoot much at F16 usually at larger apertures (F8-F11) and overall I'm very happy with my switch. I truly enjoy your videos - thanks for posting.

  • @tomwhite7895
    @tomwhite7895 6 лет назад +3

    Most excellent real world comparison ! Have had the 17-40 for 5 years now when I went from crop ( 10-22 ) to full frame. Always liked the idea that you were one of the only landscape bloggers on the tube that used the 17-40. Have been struggling for a year or so now about switching but I was thinking if it's good enough for Adam it's good enough for me ! Now that you have gone to the 16-35 I may have to consider it more seriously.

    • @Firstmanphotography
      @Firstmanphotography  6 лет назад +3

      Ha sorry Tom. The 17-40 is a great lens and it was really the IS for video that is the clincher for me.
      The chromatic aberration can often be removed in post and it's the photographer that makes the picture, not the lens. Its definitely diminishing returns once you go beyond the 17-40mm too.

  • @mrbntvlsn
    @mrbntvlsn 6 лет назад +4

    Thanks for the review. I'd like to add that I've used both lenses many years (especially the 17-40/F4) but I was impressed by the improved sharpness of the 16-35/F4 at large apertures, especially in the corners. The IS makes it much easier to shoot at slow shutter speeds, when shooting off-tripod. I get sharp pictures at 1/8 sec! So I highly recommend the 16-35.

    • @Firstmanphotography
      @Firstmanphotography  6 лет назад

      How do you find the vignetting on the 16-35? I've realised it's much worse than the 17-40mm.

    • @mrbntvlsn
      @mrbntvlsn 6 лет назад +1

      I agree, vignetting of the 16-35 is worse (especially at 16mm/F4) but no problem for me because i usually shoot at F5.6 or F8.

  • @Snowcatnz2
    @Snowcatnz2 6 лет назад +24

    Great comparison Adam. In all honesty for me, the difference is so negligible that the price is not worth it for me. I do have issues with people who say why haven't you got this bit of kit? why do you use that old lens? etc I use what I can afford,and let all the must have the latest gear brigade get on with it

    • @Firstmanphotography
      @Firstmanphotography  6 лет назад +2

      Thanks Tim. The 17-40mm is still a great bit of kit. Besides, it's the photographer that makes the picture, not the lens.

    • @imenebh8802
      @imenebh8802 4 года назад

      Agree.. a photographer told me ur camera the 600D is not a pro one its such a bad camera and i was hurted at first.. but i love it and i enjoy taking pics with it always..

    • @aantomop4795
      @aantomop4795 3 года назад

      @@Firstmanphotography I guess I do have a very bad copy of the 17-40 The corners I get don't look like yours in the video. Mine look like smudges as if I am using a tilt shift lens. Only the middle is sharp

  • @markharris5771
    @markharris5771 6 лет назад +4

    I remember a RUclipsr going to the Ribble Head Viaduct and it was sheeting down with rain, I’ve forgotten who that was...? I have the 16-35 L f2.8 mkII, and I have to say it’s a lens I love but I wasted at least half the money I spent on it. A very good, fair and objective video, with an honest review.

    • @Firstmanphotography
      @Firstmanphotography  6 лет назад +2

      Ha thanks Mark. I remember that day very well and think about it every time I go there now.

  • @Janet_Airlines802
    @Janet_Airlines802 5 лет назад +6

    I love my 17-40 lens. Unless you do astrophotography there is no need to have 2.8 for landscape photography. The 17-40 is a great lens for the money.

    • @mikkirurk1
      @mikkirurk1 2 года назад

      Yes, 17-40 is a great lens for the money. But 16-35 is a better one.

    • @Janet_Airlines802
      @Janet_Airlines802 2 года назад

      @@mikkirurk1 yeah I’m looking at the 16-35 F4L, it’s sharper in the corners and has IS.

  • @JohnDrummondPhoto
    @JohnDrummondPhoto 6 лет назад +3

    Great review, Adam. I was wrestling with this very choice last January. Finally spent the extra cabbage for the newer lens. IS was a factor. I'm very happy with it, especially since I had nothing in this focal range already. A real decision would be for current owners of the 17-40. It doesn't look like the 16-35 is enough better to justify a kit upgrade except for the well-heeled.

    • @Firstmanphotography
      @Firstmanphotography  6 лет назад +1

      Yeah I agree. It would be tough to justify if it was just for stills. The IS was a big part of my decision to keep it. I'm also not interested in the extra weight of the 2.8 at this point.

  • @randygeene9455
    @randygeene9455 4 года назад

    Hi Adam, I was just at this location about six weeks ago. I was hoping to photograph the shot that you have shown here but I thought that it was much firther away from the viaduct than it actually is. I actually walked out to the next ridge towards the viaduct not realizing that I was SO close. I did get a few good shots however and was rushed a bit by my with and son suffering a little bit of motion sickness as we drove through the Dales, down from Thwaite and the Lakes District. Truly an amazing part of the world and worthy of a return trip. We got home, to Canada, before the shut down of everything and are all healthy. I hope that you stay the same and are able to keep the videos coming during this challenging time.

  • @minesaver
    @minesaver 3 месяца назад

    I just picked up a 17-40 in "excellent plus" condition, comes with caps, hood, and case. For just under $300. It would be nearly double that to get the 16-35 f4. For someone like me stretching dollars for my first L glass I happily used the savings to also afford a 24-105 f4. I'm very much looking forward to my new pair of budget tools.

  • @tompetersphotography
    @tompetersphotography 6 лет назад +5

    Really well put together Adam!! Very interesting foreground! Them rocks looked amazing

  • @jimhamilton8775
    @jimhamilton8775 6 лет назад +9

    Interesting comparison and an honest one at that. At present I am using the 17-40 and happy enough with that.

    • @Firstmanphotography
      @Firstmanphotography  6 лет назад +5

      I was too Jim. There's no real reason not to be happy with it.

  • @griffith500tvr
    @griffith500tvr Год назад +1

    I did not watch the whole video but it seemed to me that you did not mention that the 16-35mm f2.8 comes in three different versions and they are totally different. So which version did you use?

  • @mhsvz6735
    @mhsvz6735 6 лет назад +8

    The 17-40 mm is pretty good for such an old lens.

  • @tigerheaddude
    @tigerheaddude 3 года назад +2

    "waiting for the clouds to clear" is what photography in the UK is all about :')

  • @davesemmens9496
    @davesemmens9496 6 лет назад +1

    The extra 1mm from 17 to 16 is also worth mentioning. I used a Nikon 17-35 for years and lost count of the times I could just have done with been a tiny bit wider :)

    • @Firstmanphotography
      @Firstmanphotography  6 лет назад +1

      Yeah thats a really good point. Sometimes moving the camera further back just isn't an option.

  • @GlenDomulevicz
    @GlenDomulevicz 6 лет назад +2

    I think the upgrade is worth it for the handling chromatic aberration, lack of distortion and the added benefit if image stabilization. Keeping sounds like a good choice to me.

  • @WedlakeProductions
    @WedlakeProductions 6 лет назад +1

    I remember back when I moved to full frame (6D + 24-105m L IS USM Kit) and I decided I'd put all my remaining money into one lens. I sided with the 16-35mm F/4 L IS USM and I'm very glad I did.

    • @Firstmanphotography
      @Firstmanphotography  6 лет назад

      Good stuff. I'm looking forward to using it more. I owned the 24-105 in the past too. Its a massively underated lens and the focal range is extremely useful.

  • @ESKATEUK
    @ESKATEUK Год назад

    I know this is an old video but maybe you will see this comment still. Firstly a very nice comparison, and beautiful area, I will definitely have to travel there some day. And secondly I just invested in one of these 17-40mm L lenses, and it cost me £280 in like new condition. What an absolute bargain. I’m hoping to shoot some sceneries with it soon, and get back into astrophotography, as my last wide angle was APSC only. Take care.

  • @ricknicholson5894
    @ricknicholson5894 4 года назад +1

    So one more challenge for you as to which one is better. Using both lenses to shoot video, which one is better - it's no contest. Shooting videos is how the winning lens will sometimes be used. Now the winning lens for video has one small drawback, what is it?

  • @WayneRobertsonPhotography
    @WayneRobertsonPhotography 6 лет назад +3

    Good test Adam and a fair real world comparison. The thing I like about lenses is that if you invest in a good lens you get many years of quality use without a new model coming out soon after purchase that is so much better. Unlike computers! Oh, did you notice you spelled purpo... Ha ha.

    • @Firstmanphotography
      @Firstmanphotography  6 лет назад +1

      That's very true. They also hold their value amazingly well after an initial depreciation if buying new. I bought a lens second hand for a review a couple of years ago and sold it again afterwards for £50 more.

  • @G0FUW
    @G0FUW 6 лет назад

    Just done a very similar exercise with my Nikon 24-85mm f3.5 VR versus the 24-70mm f2.8 and the picture quality differences are marginal. The big differences are size, weight, and cost. At the moment I am thinking the 24-70mm may be just too big and heavy for me but I need to do some more pixel peeping and some printing to be 100%. Nice variation on topic Adam well done.

  • @scotttalbot4041
    @scotttalbot4041 6 лет назад +1

    I have to say, I preferred the 17-40 image here.. I've never been overly happy with my 17-40, I think it's a soft one. I used to have a 10-22, which was so much sharper! Losing that lens is my only regret with upgrading from the 350D..

    • @Firstmanphotography
      @Firstmanphotography  6 лет назад

      RUclips doesn't always help with these videos with the compression. Have you tried micro focus adjustments in the settings? I had a Sigma 35mm ART lens and it turned a soft lens into a really sharp one.

  • @KeigoMoriyama
    @KeigoMoriyama 3 года назад +1

    why all the scenes are not graded in the same way?

  • @Northernwild
    @Northernwild 6 лет назад +1

    Good review. The 16-35mm is my usual landscape photography lens

  • @paulmarkman5247
    @paulmarkman5247 6 лет назад +1

    Another informative video Adam. Many thanks. I switched from my old 17-40 to this 16-35 lens after buying my first full frame DSLR. It may have been my copy of the older lens, but I was struck by how markedly better the 16-35 was in the corners in terms of sharpness. It was so obvious even on the back of the camera image when I did some test shots at the camera shop that I had little hesitation. Cheers - Paul

    • @Firstmanphotography
      @Firstmanphotography  6 лет назад

      Sometimes some micro focus adjustment is required, although that shouldn’t be necessary. I’ve had the 17 to 40 for years but when I upgraded to the 5D Mark IV I saw a noticeable increase In sharpness from the exact same lens. I have no idea why.

  • @tomsawyer4321
    @tomsawyer4321 Год назад +1

    Interesting video. Two excellent lenses. I understand the rationale behind using identical photo editing but also see the counter argument that different tools have to be used differently.
    My takeaway is that with good skills and technique either of these lenses are going to do the job but if you are chasing numbers and test scores the newer lens wins out

  • @stuartschaffner9744
    @stuartschaffner9744 6 лет назад

    What a fabulous place! I suggest that you get a depth-of-field app and do some serious thinking about how the circle of confusion for f/16 relates to the pixel stride of your camera’s sensor. I think that f/16 is getting a bit too small for modern sensors, but you have to decide what will work for you. I find that what keeps making me choose one lens over another is chromatic aberration and flare, what Zeiss calls micro-contrast. I’ll bet you will really like your new lens. OSS is also important for sharpness.

  • @timscanlanphotography
    @timscanlanphotography 6 лет назад +2

    Hi Adam. Your videos are always engaging and informative. I'm a Nikon user so will probably never use either of these lenses but I always learn loads from you, so this is a must-see for me. It's a toss up between the two lenses for me but like any aspect of photography, it's personal choice that counts. Really enjoyed the comparison Adam. many thanks for sharing. P.S. great B-roll footage on the limestone pavement btw!

    • @Firstmanphotography
      @Firstmanphotography  6 лет назад +1

      Thanks Tim. I've been keen to get back there with the drone. I just couldn't resist flying through. I know it's a Canon centric video but I wanted to provide some other parts to the video that would appeal to everyone. The new lens vs old lens is worth considering whenever we're on the verge of upgrading, and whatever system we use.

  • @SidBonkers51
    @SidBonkers51 6 лет назад +1

    It seems to me to be hard to justify the price difference between the two when chromatic adoration and distortion can be corrected with two mouse clicks in PS, especially as I dont shoot video, so an eye opening and interesting comparison video.

  • @RobOutenPhotography
    @RobOutenPhotography 6 лет назад +1

    Great review vlog Adam. Hats off to you for making an extremely fair compassion for each lens. Thanks for sharing.

  • @daintyasia8152
    @daintyasia8152 4 месяца назад

    I am still using EF17-40 F4 for wedding or event photography until now.

  • @emmanuelarredondo5365
    @emmanuelarredondo5365 4 года назад +1

    I think the chatter was much for than the comparison. Improve on that and you would improve you’ve videos so much! You have great information in there.

  • @johnherzel718
    @johnherzel718 3 года назад +1

    Why did this pop up in my feed 2 years later?....
    But it is very relevant as I’m looking at a used copy of the 17-40 (cheap too) I think I’ll go for it! Thanks

  • @GraemeSomerville
    @GraemeSomerville 6 лет назад

    Strong and unbiased review Adam. I love all your vlogs but I have to say this is First Man in his element when field testing in the Dales. Great work.

  • @clivebushnell8428
    @clivebushnell8428 6 лет назад

    Hi Adam, I've watched your videos for a year or so now. I like what you do, your content is helpful and your YTube style is developing nicely. You look much more relaxed than a year ago. One thing though - I really think you should drop the "out" sign off. I know its different, but it just doesn't look natural and you style is strong enough not to need it. Nice review by the way.

  • @DiegoMcCartney
    @DiegoMcCartney 6 лет назад +2

    Interesting take on this video. The 16-35mm is the next lens on my list. Thanks for sharing buddy

  • @L.Lyubomirov
    @L.Lyubomirov 6 лет назад +6

    How about this corners in 17-40?I have read alot that 17-40 it is impossible to get sharp corners ???

    • @aantomop4795
      @aantomop4795 3 года назад

      Mine don't look like in the video. The corners I get look like smudges. Almost as if you are using a tilt shift lens

  • @ryanmaudsley8173
    @ryanmaudsley8173 6 лет назад +4

    Funny how I was about a mile away from you on one of the peaks called Pen-Y-Ghent also shooting the summer solstice, if only I knew you were at Ribblehead!

    • @Firstmanphotography
      @Firstmanphotography  6 лет назад +1

      Ha yeah. How were things up there? Had all the clouds gone by sunset?

    • @ryanmaudsley8173
      @ryanmaudsley8173 6 лет назад

      First Man Photography No it was amazing up there, got some nice cloud coverage over the setting sun giving me great colours , got some cracking images. Camped over night so waking up at 3am, although was painful at first, definitely worth it. Vibrant pink clouds all over the horizon. Was a bit nippy though, the wind definitely picked up through my 2 hours of sleep!
      I’ll dm you some of my images if you want on instagram so you can have a peak!

  • @Richard_OKeeffe
    @Richard_OKeeffe 6 лет назад +1

    Adam, I have then16-35 when I brought it just over a years ago the IS was the deciding factor for me as the IS is a real bonus when handheld for city scrapes which I do from time to time.
    I guess its about some ones personal budget, the 17-40 is a good Canon L lens

    • @Firstmanphotography
      @Firstmanphotography  6 лет назад

      Yeah the 17-40 doesn't stop being a great lens. The IS was the clincher for me though too, mainly for video. I'd rather bump my ISO up than rely on IS for stills these days, that's just me though.

    • @sergiodsm
      @sergiodsm 4 года назад

      @@Firstmanphotography Being able to slow down the shutter and use IS to advantage for some water flow effect without needing tripod set up is great thou!

  • @Yamanotefy
    @Yamanotefy 6 лет назад

    What a nice episode Adam.
    I first read: New Lens Vs Old Man ... but obviously, it was not. ;-) I really appreciate your occasional field tests and have to say, they cure me of some GAS as well. Certainly those new L lenses are very fine products, but that does not make the old ones bad (how many people may think as the quality of the last 10 years is already incredible) on perpese.
    And how much I envy you for your landscape in England ... that's what it is all about. Cannot be bought with all the money in the world.

  • @cnottagejr
    @cnottagejr 4 года назад +1

    my camera doesn't have video and plus my camera is 14 years old it's a canon 400d 10.1 megapixel camera. i want to get an up to date camera that can do everything plus video. so what you think about the 10-18 wide angle lens. so you said this is a much better lens and it will make my pictures better i don't know i want to spend that kind of money on a camera lens but if it's going to make my pictures solid then i will have to invest in one. i love taking pictures especially wide angle ones but i want to buy 2 more cameras i want your opinion on the canon sl1 and sl2

  • @MaliDaviesPhotography
    @MaliDaviesPhotography 6 лет назад +2

    Belter Adam! I’ve just gone to the dark side D750 and I’m desperately seeking my wide angle. So this was very interesting, albeit the other side of the canon fence. Makes no difference to me what brand, it’s still a very good, as always informative and enjoyable watch 😁👍

    • @Firstmanphotography
      @Firstmanphotography  6 лет назад +1

      Thanks buddy. Really appreciate your comment and support.

    • @MaliDaviesPhotography
      @MaliDaviesPhotography 6 лет назад +1

      First Man Photography when I can I watch and it’s always professional and spot on entertainment. I eat breath photography and you make it effortless. I’ve been trying to edit and finish a vlog for over a week now 😂 hehehe

    • @Firstmanphotography
      @Firstmanphotography  6 лет назад

      There's no doubt they take a lot of work and heartache.

  • @aklaasvandalen207
    @aklaasvandalen207 6 лет назад +1

    Don't you use the lensprofiles? CA can be corrected also distorsion.

    • @Firstmanphotography
      @Firstmanphotography  6 лет назад

      Of course. I just wanted to compare the raw performance of the lenses.

  • @patrickfitzgerald2861
    @patrickfitzgerald2861 5 лет назад

    If you don't own the 17-40 already, the increased sharpness and image stabilization in the 16-35 make it the obvious choice. This well done, but somewhat limited, comparison confirms many others already out there. Divided over, for example, a ten year period of ownership, the higher cost of the 16-35 becomes negligible. But the image quality benefits - particularly in handheld and video use - are not. Keep in mind too that in many cases the IS makes a tripod unnecessary, even in low light. A nice benefit for when you're trying to travel light.

  • @YaakovSloman
    @YaakovSloman 4 года назад

    I realize I am late to the party but thanks for the comparison. I did notice, though, your choice of 𝑓/16 which is going to suffer from being diffraction limited on the 5D Mark IV. At about 𝑓/10 you'll start to have problems. At 𝑓/8 (which I try to shoot at most of the time) diffraction isn't and issue.
    I have used the 16-35mm with the 5D Mark IV for a few years now with excellent results but recently bought an EOS R and the 15-35mm 𝑓/2.8L IS USM and while the lans is much bigger and heavier, the body is much smaller, so it's a wash. The IQ of that pair is fantastic.
    I am looking forward to the release of the "pro" R body to replace my 5D Mark IV which I love, but the mirrorless has been such a joy to work with I am ready to give up my beloved OVF and flappy mirror for it.

  • @pete_mustang
    @pete_mustang 6 лет назад +1

    I went for the 16-35mm f2.8 second hand from MPB for £650. Very very happy with it. Easily my favourite lens.

    • @Firstmanphotography
      @Firstmanphotography  6 лет назад

      That's awesome. Do you use it for landscape photography?

    • @pete_mustang
      @pete_mustang 6 лет назад +1

      First Man Photography yeah landscapes, astro (hence wanting the 2.8) and some car stuff. Would love to see a comparison video of that and your F4. You're welcome to borrow it if you're ever around North Yorkshire again.

    • @Firstmanphotography
      @Firstmanphotography  6 лет назад +1

      Thanks. I appreciate that. Yeah the 2.8 makes sense for Astro. Not something I do much of.

  • @robertcudlipp3426
    @robertcudlipp3426 4 года назад

    A very late post. The f4 lens has never had a lot of fans. However, I was able to pick up an excellent example second hand.
    Does all I need and maybe the 16- would give a little extra width at times, but in part, it comes down to what can be afforded. Not interested in the 2.8, you pay a premium for fast glass and I don't need fast glass for wide angle and landscape type shots.

  • @El-Tel63-Terry.
    @El-Tel63-Terry. 6 лет назад +2

    Interesting, I’m new around here, subbed due to Paul. When I went full frame I was in two minds as to which too buy, I’m so glad I went with the 17-40 as the image stabilisation is not an issue for me and the chromatic abberration is sorted in lightroom with a click of a button. I can now stop wondering, and I’ve saved a few quid, so, for me good news. Thanks for the comparison.

    • @Firstmanphotography
      @Firstmanphotography  6 лет назад +3

      Yeah I think you're exactly right Terry. I've decided to keep the 16-35mm almost purely because of the IS which I only really use for video. If I wasnt doing video I'd definitely have stuck with the 17-40mm. We've had a lot of good years and created a lot together.

  • @cnottagejr
    @cnottagejr 4 года назад +1

    i see you was printing your photos how you did that please show me cause i want to start printing my pictures

  • @atirageNS
    @atirageNS 6 лет назад

    Don't mind the mindless critics, Adam, they're most probably just jealous or envious.
    Some people think that you can't have a great photo without the most expensive lens, without the latest generation of camera etc. Those people are just sitting at home being busy on their keyboards commenting instead of actually trying to make good photos.
    Keep up the good job!

  • @charleswoods2301
    @charleswoods2301 6 лет назад +1

    Great comparison and to the point, which I admire. You have a fan in New Jersey USA.!

    • @Firstmanphotography
      @Firstmanphotography  6 лет назад

      Awesome thanks. I’ve got big love for my subscribers over the pond.

  • @GaryGough
    @GaryGough 6 лет назад +2

    Very informative Adam, cheers

  • @daelpixphotography
    @daelpixphotography 6 лет назад

    The 16-35mm is the lens I'm going for when I can afford it. I miss my wide angle lens when I upgraded to the MKIV last year from the 450D. Also want one to start taking architecture again

  • @carlosvanvegas
    @carlosvanvegas 6 лет назад

    That's the same location James R Burns did his video, albeit in the rain, must be a popular spot for landscape photography :)

  • @Enrique-the-photographer
    @Enrique-the-photographer 6 лет назад +2

    Good video, thank you for sharing. BTW...... congratulations on the 6 - 1 against Panama.

  • @minisla
    @minisla 6 лет назад +1

    Be quite happy with either results

  • @paulcomptonpdphotography
    @paulcomptonpdphotography 6 лет назад

    Not a bad comparison I all ready have the 16-35 I would like to know more about the 24-70 vs 24-105 I have both older ones want to upgrade but which do I upgrade and to what

  • @gregfisher216
    @gregfisher216 6 лет назад +1

    I have a copy of the 16-35 F/4 and I love it.It is almost as sharp as my beloved 24-70 F/2.8

    • @Firstmanphotography
      @Firstmanphotography  6 лет назад

      Excellent. I think my favourite lens is the 70-200 f2.8 is II, although I don't use it for landscapes, way too heavy.

    • @gregfisher216
      @gregfisher216 6 лет назад +1

      I have a 70-200 F/4 nice and sharp and much lighter !

  • @bobbyl1670
    @bobbyl1670 6 лет назад +1

    Thanks for the great video. I have the 17-40mm but switched over to Sony. I still use the canon lens on it.

    • @Firstmanphotography
      @Firstmanphotography  6 лет назад

      Cool. I see a lot of people having success with the Canon lenses on the Sony cameras. What adapter do you use?

    • @bobbyl1670
      @bobbyl1670 6 лет назад

      First Man Photography I'm using the Metabones. Most of my Canon lenses works fine on it.

  • @tourinojacks5844
    @tourinojacks5844 7 месяцев назад

    Thank you for making this. Great comparison.

  • @evertking1
    @evertking1 5 лет назад +3

    17-40 is just fine and all the problems in the corners clears up even at 18mm
    Just not enough difference to justify the price, for me anyway.

  • @user-tn8jw3vp3b
    @user-tn8jw3vp3b 6 лет назад +6

    Excuse me but in my opinion you cant compare sharpness at f16. You should had taken a picture at least at f11. Diffraction is a serious issue in terms of image quality. I like your videos. Just a comment on that :)

    • @Firstmanphotography
      @Firstmanphotography  6 лет назад +1

      Check out the last frame of the video. I am also yet to see a good, well composed image be ruined by defraction.

  • @scotty4418
    @scotty4418 6 лет назад +1

    Interesting to hear your thoughts on the two lenses Adam. I've been thinking about the 16-35mm f2.8 but also considering the Samyang 14mm f2.8 to try some astrophotography.

  • @doros9.2
    @doros9.2 5 лет назад

    Adam, have you done any astrophotography with the 16-35mm? This lens has everything speaking for it other than the speed, but I thought that with a bit of stacking, results might be usable.

  • @sampro35
    @sampro35 4 года назад

    Very good review/comparison between both lenses. Thanks for doing videos like this. They are all very helpful, specially when you need a good lens but your're in a budget.

  • @DennisSiebertPhotography
    @DennisSiebertPhotography 6 лет назад +3

    In one of your last videos i asked myself "why is he using the old shitty 17-40" :-D
    And now comes the upgrade to 16-35 f4. The 17-40 is not too bad, i used it many years, but then i upgraded to the 16-35 f4 and it much sharper in the corners.
    I love the 16-35, its my favorite lens....

    • @Firstmanphotography
      @Firstmanphotography  6 лет назад

      Ha yeah. It was definitely some of the comments that inspired this video. I'm looking forward to using the 16-35 more.

  • @sergioserramusic
    @sergioserramusic 6 лет назад +1

    Great review! I think you should’ve compared them at f/4 to see difference in sharpness, of course once closed they’ll be comparable

  • @papijelly
    @papijelly 5 лет назад

    So better glass means better pictueres. Now momey not being a factor. Would buying the 16-35 mm make sence for a crop sensor DSLR like the Canon t7i. Ofcourse you'd be at a different focal length bc of the crop but would the quality of the fotos be better than if I were to go for a 10-22??

  • @DL6UK
    @DL6UK Год назад

    I guess if you wanted to get the shot in rain you wouldn´t have to wait that long :)))

  • @GingerPhotographer
    @GingerPhotographer 6 лет назад

    Great job Adam - I have the 16-35 and love it!

  • @oneeyedphotographer
    @oneeyedphotographer 6 лет назад

    Canon's 16-35 lenses are on its list of lenses recommended for the 5Ds cameras, the 17-40 is not.
    Interesting to me, the TS-E 45 and TS-E 90 are on the list. Not bad for lenses first sold in 1991.

  • @davidmoore720
    @davidmoore720 6 лет назад

    Thanks for the review. What happened when you compared the images after applying Lightroom's normal Lens & Chrom Ab corrections? - My guess is there would be nothing between the lenses. And if shooting RAW, why are slight differences in colour and contrast a concern?

  • @RigoLuchi
    @RigoLuchi 5 лет назад

    Thank you for the review it really helped me to decide between the two lenses!

  • @oliverspiteri4930
    @oliverspiteri4930 6 лет назад

    Great Review wish this video was made last month as i sold my 17-40 f4 for 340gbp and am missing it already going to buy 16-35f4 and 6d mk2 kit . The differences are so small that i dont think i would have sold it if i saw this before, even more so when I don't print my images yet, just online. As always great video and great subscribers on this channel. Cheers from sunny Malta.

  • @kamillisowski2931
    @kamillisowski2931 6 лет назад +1

    Morning mate
    Can You tell me How expensive is That printer what U got and paper with ink what is the cost, I mean what's the average prints on the tonners Compare to Cost
    Thanks Have a good day

    • @Firstmanphotography
      @Firstmanphotography  6 лет назад +1

      Hi Kamil. Check out my review - ruclips.net/video/8icsJbVVHYE/видео.html

  • @khalidalattita1815
    @khalidalattita1815 6 лет назад

    I love this man & every think in this video.

  • @Abhi-ul5nv
    @Abhi-ul5nv 6 лет назад

    Hey, great review. I’m planning to buy a wide angle lens, is the 17-40 for €350 used worth it, or should i buy a 16-35 for €800? I’m pretty confused... how big of a difference is the upgrade?

  • @yukonica4560
    @yukonica4560 Год назад

    Gave you a 'like' at 0:37 based on buying a lens to test. Commitment. Hope you have the CPS discount.
    Now, to watch the test ... results: I'm not about to dump my 17 - 40 although I now suffer from IS envy.

  • @ianbrown704
    @ianbrown704 6 лет назад

    Nice comparison, its always marginal with most lenses and without doubt the 17-40mm is a bargain and will be "good enough" for most landscape images. These comparisons can be time consuming and frustrating so thanks for this vlog.

  • @davidemery2270
    @davidemery2270 5 лет назад

    Great real world review Adam, have helped me make up my mind.... thanks and keep up the great reviews

  • @julieholland9639
    @julieholland9639 6 лет назад +2

    purchased my 17-40L years ago used, was very cheap and never had an issue with it. Its a bargain in my opinion

  • @sottheaphoeurng9044
    @sottheaphoeurng9044 4 года назад

    Hello. Can I use canon 16 35mm F4 to shoot portrait , low light and milky way ?

  • @rebbel67
    @rebbel67 6 лет назад +1

    I dug the ent fraim.

  • @cjlopAfe
    @cjlopAfe 5 лет назад

    Did you say you went ahead and bought it for the review?

  • @jayjeep6746
    @jayjeep6746 4 года назад

    Great review really makes me want to get the 16-35 for sure

  • @libork5397
    @libork5397 6 лет назад

    Adam, good points , on the end the $$$$ is the bottom line!

  • @antivirusantivirus3139
    @antivirusantivirus3139 2 года назад

    Thanks. What do you say about the 16-36 f2,8 thirds version?

  • @mikemitchell3889
    @mikemitchell3889 6 лет назад

    Adam,
    The wait on the light was very rewarding.
    I appreciate your comparo. I have been shooting the f.4 16-35 for 'bout three years and never found it wanting. I have not used the 17-40.
    I'm glad you took both shots to print, I was hoping you would go there.
    Couple of more points. I very much enjoyed your time with Mr. Gough, you and he are on my "must see" list for every sojourn. And, the kids' art on your office wall is quite endearing!
    Thank-You,
    Mike

  • @ZaberAnsaryOfficial
    @ZaberAnsaryOfficial 6 лет назад +1

    Glad u got the 16-35 f4 IS, Its Great for video specially on Full Frame. And that IS is almost good for 1" handheld pictures with good technique. Sharp AF too...
    Gonna sell the 17-40 now?

    • @Firstmanphotography
      @Firstmanphotography  6 лет назад

      Yep. Do you know anyone who wants it? There’s no way I could shoot 1 second handheld, unless I was going for a blurry abstract.

  • @d_v5401
    @d_v5401 5 лет назад

    I have a canon 80d and i use 50 1.8, i am thinking of getting this lens 16-35 f/4, i generally take family and friends photograph and very less landscape, could you please tell is this a right lens for me..

  • @ipb1966
    @ipb1966 6 лет назад

    Brilliant video and one of my favourite locations.

  • @MichelleCoxPhotography
    @MichelleCoxPhotography 6 лет назад

    Great video!! Thanks for the thorough comparison

  • @victorso2652
    @victorso2652 3 года назад +1

    it's really hard to complete all the speeches right from the very beginning. and even harder for me to finish the video . better start watching from 8" onward

  • @chuchoshoots
    @chuchoshoots 4 года назад +1

    the bridge is forza??

  • @dirtywater5336
    @dirtywater5336 5 лет назад +3

    I hope to get to a point in my life where I buy an L series lens on a whim before I even know if it's any good lol

    • @patrickparisienne1917
      @patrickparisienne1917 4 года назад +2

      Dirty Water save up for it! That’s how most of us do it! He does this for a living, so it’s a tool, no more....