Is Christianity true? With Dr. Hugh Ross and Abdullah Sameer
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- Atheist Abdullah Sameer discusses with Old-Earth Creationist, Astronomer and writer Dr. Hugh Ross
Astronomer and best-selling author Hugh Ross travel the globe speaking on the compatibility of advancing scientific discoveries with the timeless truths of Christianity. His organization, Reasons to Believe, is dedicated to demonstrating, via a variety of resources and events, that science and biblical faith are allies, not enemies.
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I'm an ex-Muslim atheist too and I love Hugh Ross. A really sweet guy. He has a calm and soothing voice which is pleasant to listen to. He never attacks other people, although he is often the subject of personal attacks. There's just an aura of Christ like peaceableness to him.
He's a great representative of Christianity. Plus, he's very smart. He's an astronomer. I'm really glad you had him on Abdullah. I'm loving this outreach you're doing to Christians lately. It's very broadminded of you. Keep it up.
Believing Christians like Hugh Ross are wonderfully benevolent spiritual people.
And the Bible may be the most concordant with cosmology, of the major scriptures, but it doesn't justify depicting the mystery of creation as an anthropomorphic finite "being," who writes books at certain points in time -
and has historically allowed unspeakable horrors committed by clergy of all creeds.
The twinning of the Book of Mormon with the Quran is insightful.
The latter contains innumerable plagiarisms from several traditions - getting them wrong all of the times.
@@Remake5182 Dr. Ross maybe a good person but the Bible is what he believes in - this is the problem - Christians try to pose as good people and pass the Bible over their personal goodness. Astronomy has come to a stage where over 95% is called dark matter and dark energy - jargon for "we do not know".
www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+2&version=NIV
Deuteronomy 2
31 The Lord said to me, “See, I have begun to deliver Sihon and his country over to you. Now begin to conquer and possess his land.”
32 When Sihon and all his army came out to meet us in battle at Jahaz, 33 the Lord our God delivered him over to us and we struck him down, together with his sons and his whole army. 34 At that time we took all his towns and completely destroyed[c] them-men, women and children. We left no survivors. 35 But the livestock and the plunder from the towns we had captured we carried off for ourselves. 36 From Aroer on the rim of the Arnon Gorge, and from the town in the gorge, even as far as Gilead, not one town was too strong for us. The Lord our God gave us all of them. 37 But in accordance with the command of the Lord our God, you did not encroach on any of the land of the Ammonites, neither the land along the course of the Jabbok nor that around the towns in the hills.
Kill Men, Women, and Children (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy @-21 NAB)
Kill Witches (Exodus @ NAB)
Kill Fortune tellers (Leviticus @ NAB)
Kill the Family of Sinners = including = WOMEN..(Joshua @-26 Webster’s Bible)
Kill Followers of Other Religions = including WOMEN (Numbers 25:1-9 NLT)
Kill Old Men and YOUNG WOMEN (Jeremiah @-26)
Kill Sons of Sinners (Isaiah @ NAB) = KINDNESS WITH CHILDREN
Rape ( Women ) and Baby Killing (Isaiah @-18 NLT)
Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus @ NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus @ NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus @ NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs @ NAB) (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery (Leviticus @ NLT)
Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus @ NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers. (2 Chronicles @-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships another God (Deuteronomy @-19 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy @-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB), (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus @-16 NLT)
Kill False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT), (Deuteronomy @-22 NLT)
Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans @-32 NLT)
@@ifan433 Jesus said to sell the cloak and buy a sword. For what ? Cut fruit ? LOL also if you don't give away all your belongings and follow him you will not enter heaven - so have you done that ?
@@nayanmalig
35 Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you out to preach the Good News and you did not have money, a traveler’s bag, or an extra pair of sandals, did you need anything?”
“No,” they replied.
36 “But now,” he said, “take your money and a traveler’s bag. And if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one! 37 For the time has come for this prophecy about me to be fulfilled: ‘He was counted among the rebels.’[d] Yes, everything written about me by the prophets will come true.”
38 “Look, Lord,” they replied, “we have two swords among us.”
“That’s enough,” he said.
@@ifan433 If you want to get to heaven give away all your belongings.
I love that Abdullah has guests who have differing worldviews to his. Always interesting conversations and questions. I am a big fan of Hugh Ross, learned such a lot from him over the years.
Wow,I wasn't aware that such Christians do exist, hopefully people like Hugh Ross become the voice of Christianity.
Ashley, who have you been talking to??
@@jollygreen63 young Earth creationists
exception is, it is still possible children story that is based on history, perhaps the most accurate you can find from Torah and Bible.
Who really knows, maybe Adam and Eve were related to the people who were in Mars.
Other than that, Bible's way of overidolizing Jesus is bit cliche, so imo being just and knowing his sacrifice is enough, but having his pictures and statues everywhere.... it was warned once in Moses's timeline, to not fall for idolizing too much.
@@jojofreelancerkup7501 We cannot deny or accept the fact about Jesus being related to Godpowers or not. We can only assume it, but it is perhaps not the pinpoint here in entire frame. Better point is probably to find out about morals although these too are thousands of years old, but mimicking sympathy and care for others is likely the only placeholder for good deeds in this life of ours, if religion feels too off the place.
I don't care about young earth creationist vs old earth creationist and I'm a Christian. The whole thing hinges on the resurrection and that's true, so on opinions on creation, I don't think we need to insulting, belittling or looking down on Christians based on their creation views.
Hugh Ross is shockingly knowledgable
My goodness.... am a big fan of Dr Ross. Thank you Abdullah for this video. He is such an awesome well researched man who is so humble. Thanks again for this great video.
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@Tamara Athome Aron Ra cares about Reality, Dr. Ross doesn't: because he conflates [the nonsense contained within] his bible with Reality.
@John Smith keep living in deception jonny, there's no hope for you unless you come to the truth.
@@JohnStopman This is really something. His comparison of different religions is very spot on in terms of similarities, adaptation of concepts and changes in them over time. Its really mind blowing how hindus Asura ( bad guys) travelled to zoroastrianism in older persia and became Ahura (their holy deity) while hindus Deva ( good guys/ gods) got changed into Daeva (bad guys). Which then later turned as inspiration to devil i suppose.
Wondering if there was a clash between the two civilizations that lead to zoroastrians separating from Indo-aryans
@@JohnStopman thank you so much for sharing this
This man is a blessing to the Kingdom of God :)
Love this brother!
I'm a muslim and I love this man respect from a muslim
@@theguyver4934 That man said the quran is a scientific mistake and doesn't explain the universe correctly ;)
@@infinityApologeticsClips - That's his opinion he's entitled to it
I love how Dr. Ross listens to Sameer and when he brings up a question like , “Hey! What about this? Why is it like this and God didn’t just-“ and Hugh Ross is like “Oh yah! We wanted to know that too! We looked at this and found-“
He’s curious and inquisitive and allows for questions without going “You just don’t know enough, unlike ME!!” (*cough*KenHammKentHovind*cough*)
His way of speaking is very....he’s like the Bob Ross of Christian Apologetics. Just very nice and “Let’s learn together.”
Congratulations to Abdullah for all his new subscribers... who are now expecting him to convert to Christianity. The ball is in your court Abdullah. Looking forward to your next video.
Don't touch the ball!.
I've only just discovered who Dr Hugh Ross is and I'm really enjoying listening to him. Such a immense knowledge of both Science and religion. His debates are great, he gets attacked with some pretty mean spirited snipes, some of the condescension is staggering. Yet he smiles, never raises his voice and never resorts to using those types of tactics.
Great interview, just subscribed.
What a great guy this Dr. Ross is, I could listen to him for hours.
I think Ross made it very clear that the question of why universe is created is far more important than how it’s created.
@@Remake5182 And? i disagree.
How do you know there even is a "why?"
@@rossini55 why do you ask?
@@gerardmoloney9979 By asking "why" seems to assume an intent by a thinking agent, like a decision was made to "create" the universe. If you do want to go that route, then the very next question is, why does a god exist? Was there another thinking agent that cause the god to exist? It only leads to an infinite regress.
@Yeshua is Lord. No, I meant exactly what I said, infinite regress.
Abdullah Sameer, you asked a very good question as follows and I would like to answer your question: First for the sake of clarity, I would like to repeat your question as follows: "Why would God create a hell? like..if I don't want anything to do with God.. for whatever reason....as an example with my children..let's say I have some children...I do..I have 5 kids actually...and..let's say..you know God forbid (God forbid) that...one of them..you know.. bunch of them.. they grow up to be disobedient, rebelious...they hate my guts..maybe I am a good dad let's just say theoretically I am a great dad, I did everything I could do for them, but they still end up hating my guts, they ss..whenever they see me they're like shouting at me, and then they're like i don't want anything to do with you, for whatever reason right, I would still not wish any sort of harm to come to my children, non nothing. But like what we are saying about God is God is making these threat that if you don't believe me, if you don't accept that my son died for your sins, you're going to be tormented in hell forever. It just seems to be very strange that a loving God would do such a thing. How do you reconcile that?
My answer: Abdullah Sameer, if you love your children very much, by definition, God should love His children (all mankind) even more; otherwise by definition, He wouldn't be a perfect God; He would be morally deficient. I am not sure about how you raise your 5 kids, but I do know that many good fathers make rules or laws at home by which they expect their children to live. The rules these fathers make are not there to harm their children, but rather, these rules are there to make the children grow up in such a way that they become responsible for their actions at home, in societies, communities and the world at large. And because you make the rules, you become the judge as well. Hence, your'e not only the father of your children, you are also the judge of your children. You execute justice by carrying out punishment like giving your child a timeup for going against the rules you have made. In the same way, God who is the father of all mankind, is also the Judge of all mankind. He makes His laws (the Ten Commandments) and will Judge all mankind according to His laws. Unfortunately for you Abdullah, you are not a perfect being and that is why you cannot execute justice on your children every time they go against the rules you make; you let some of the faults of your children slide away unpunished. God on the other hand is a perfect Being. He is completely perfect in His attributes of being the most just, an so He must punish every sin committed or the price must be paid for every sin committed; otherwise He would not be perfect and therefore would not be God since just like you are in imperfect in executing justice by letting some of the faults of your children slide away unpunished, God would also be imperfect if He let some sins slide away unpunished.
However, just as you wouldn't want any harm to come to your children no matter what (which is probably why you would let some faults of your children slide away unpunished), even more would God never want any harm come to His children (even though He doesn't let any sin slide away unpunished, as that would contradict His nature of being perfect in His justice). Therefore God being perfect in His love and mercy must also forgive all sins committed by mankind; otherwise He would not be perfect in His love and mercy. Now how can God be perfect in His justice and perfect in His love and mercy at the same time?? The answer is that the price of the sins of all mankind must be paid, and considering how great that price is, it would take a great and perfect God to pay that price; and this is what the christian message is all about, that God in his infinite love and mercy became man, dwelled among us and paid the ultimate price so that all sins can be forgiven, and in this way, He maintain His perfect nature of being the most just and being the most loving and merciful.
Awesome.
Would he let his children run to the highway?? If he is a loving father?
Dr. Ross is a true genius and a dedicated scholar. I wish he'd get more recognition.
Good idea Abdullah Sameer!!! Who would like to see a conversation between Abdullah and William Lane Craig from reasonable faith???
I heard this man speak at a church within the last year. He is extremely eloquent and intelligent.
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Great interview! Thanks for being so friendly and accommodating, Abdullah! As a Christian, it's always nice to see a non-believer dialoging in a reasonable way with someone who differs from them!
Abdullah, I think you need to accept Hugh’s challenge and read through the Bible. I would also urge you to read it with an open mind. Tell God to show himself if he is real. You should also read Hugh’s books.
lets all join together in prayer!
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@The Fisherman Getting rid of islam takes time, let's give Abdullah the benefit of the doubt.
@@cindylou3524 9. They will say: "Yes indeed; a Warner did come to us, but we rejected him and said, 'Allah never sent down any (Message): ye are nothing but an egregious delusion!'"surah mulk. Verse 9
@The Fisherman is Mary the Mother of God, or the Mother of the son of God? Or the Mother of the messenger of God?
Ofc Christianity is true. I am an ex-Muslim.
argument of the century xD
Hamid Sadiql me Too brother christ bless you
Christianity is a prison just like Islam.
Only for the head without brain
Hugh Ross is great! Please read his book, Beyond the Cosmos. It's awesome, pretty scientific!
Abdullah Sameer you are an honest and likable young man. I have never heard about Dr. Ross before, it looks he will be my favorite Christian Scientist along with Dr. Craig. What a nice discussion.
James Tour, Frank Turek, John Lennox, Ravi Zacharias, Jordan Peterson etc
May God bless Dr. Ross with more wisdom and intelligence day by day.
intelligence? this Dr. is just bias. he made an understanding of the bibble just like everybody else. even we know today Mozes did not exist, Noa did not exist, there is no adam and eve.
the bibble says the god created the world in 7 days, he desregards it completely to adjust it to his understanding of the world.
Hugh Ross killed it! So well spoken and knowledgeable
Hugh Ross is humble and well resourced, a rare combination in our time. So often we can find the opposite is true like the comment above...lots of delusional nonsense bla..bla..bla. no need to think just follow the atheist herd.
@akbrs If you know how many times I have heard the exact same rhetoric slogans and brainwashed statement from the atheist I am sure you would differ on the herd mentality thing. Are you open to believing in God if there were good evidence for theism?? I would rather say Dr. Hugh Ross exhibit cognitive brilliance
Kim Danielsen obviously he’s open, he’s here watching this video.
@@Henry-gd6vw Good that he´s is here watching this video, but from the comment, it reminds me more of bias ignorance than open-mindedness.
Ex-Muslim here. Islam is a 9th-century invention redacted back to the 7th hence why NO historian was able to find Mecca on any map until the 9th century. ...
And no-one has found evidence for Jesus .
Thanks for doing this conversation with Hugh Ross, Abdullah! I have never heard him speak, but my husband has read some of his many books b/c science/faith issues are his passion. Dr. Ross came to a talk my husband did at a conference once several years ago. That was an honor for my husband. I totally enjoyed your conversation and learned a lot from him. He's right about curiosity. Keep being curious because there is always more to learn in any area of interest and always more truth to discover. My husband also watched this video and enjoyed it as well.
Sameer looks distracted and doesn’t seem to be actually listening to Dr Hugh! If an interviewer is equally on camera with his guest, then he is visible and needs to engage, rather than reading stuff on his screen, and slurping coffee. He is not personally engaged. As the interview unfolded, I had to blank Sameer out with my hand on the screen so I could concentrate on Dr Hugh, because what he has to say is utterly fascinating, and Sameer’s demeanour is distracting.
Sorry, I was trying to look up the references for what he was saying as it's all new to me.
Thank you, Mr. Sameer, for this discussion. It's so refreshing to watch and listen to intelligent and articulate individuals who have different views having a discussion with mutual respect and speaking about the actual issues in depth and detail from their individual perspectives without the attempts at oneupmanship and emotionally charged rhetoric that is, sadly, far too common in many places in our time. This shows a tremendous respect not only for the issues, but even more for the audience. Again, thank you so much. All the best to you.
@Abdullah; you seems get to your conclusion before the discussion started. You always cut Dr. Ross explanation, you ask not for searching the answer, but because you think you have answer already. Just lucky you have discuss it with very wonderfull people like Dr.Ross. You seems asking about bible to find its hole to attack. What agenda is in your mind?
@akbrs you are just a kid go and debate him if you think you know it better
@Milagros B. Self absorbed idiot? Have you read about the Abrahamic god? Lolz
Have you ever thought of having a conversation with Ravi Zacharia’s ?
this question crossed my mind months ago.. should be interesting
Ravi is world class
I don’t care for Ravi. I don’t believe he is saved and he waters down biblical doctrine.
That guys stupid honestly
I wish!
A couple of things I still don't understand but Dr. Ross taught me so much, I believe I owe him tuition for about 3 semesters.
Truth! I could listen to Hugh Ross for days on end, and if he were to open a university, I would gladly enroll! It's these types of discussions that make our Lord God so amazing!
Great & interesting discussion, this is how believers & non believers should interact on such discussions
I heard this live and now again today. Awesome still!!
Each question offered by Abdullah has an answer from Hugh. Maybe there is something to this Christian Bible.
I am a Muslim and I agree
Probably not .
Hugh is such a great guest and incredibly intelligent man full of wisdom!
Atheist be like "oh, I didn't know that. I agree with you. But my next question is...".😆
Thank you Abdullah sameer , I respect how you are carrying on with this video and you did well don't listen to the negative comments !!!
Its funny, that a person of science is looking for it in religious texts? I want to respect him for his age. But I am LOL about his maturity.
Lol.. You haven't read any books... Bible or other.. You nothing.
@@alaialai4113 I dont have to read bible to understand that it will have anything related to science in it. I can hear to his convoluted explanation to understand how religious try to fit it everything to it.
He said he read vedas then decided that it has no science in it. Even hindus dont believe there is science in them. For science there are separate books not religious books.
Abdullah Sameer was behaving like a Muslim on multiple occasions
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I noticed that too. He was trying to draw parallels between Bible and Quran. Quran mostly borrows the creation narrative from Bible, in some places they are similar. In others they are very different.
Indeed.
It's difficult to completely remove the Islamic software in his head.
That's for the better understanding of Abramic religion
@John Smith very unlikely, Abdullah Sameer is an atheist because the proof for God is not compelling enough. It seems that the Holy books were unable to predict the future. For example, both the Holy bible and Koran were unable to predict the Americas and Australia's even though God is all knowing omniscient.
Yes christianity is true and Jesus is the true living god
Jesus is died he is not live
Aijaz Ahamed oh yeah i understand you mean Mohammed is dead and not alive!!!
But surely jesus is alive and watching all you non believers at this moment! 😉
@@serenagomes42 even Muhammed nabi also died!
Evey human taste dead so Jesus also died
Sorry for the little knowledge that you have everybody knows that Jesus did come to earth in human form but though he was a human he was lord sent by the god above! He died a terrible death on the cross for the sinners. He took our burden to set us free. Bible says he rose again on the third day (easter) and he is now in heaven seated at the right hand of the father!
Those who believe in Jesus shall have eternal life in gods kingdom but those who doubt and are against the lake of fire is waiting!
Millions of people around the globe are being healed in the holy name of jesus! I believe that is enough to prove his holiness and power!
He is coming again!
@@serenagomes42 everybody??😂😂😂 Who is that is that Christian's right!!
Correct, we are still in day 7. Not many people realize this when reading the Bible. Way to go Dr Ross! Evolution is a process of change it does not create anything. God bless
I didn’t watch the whole video so bear with me if this question was already addressed in the video, but I don’t understand how the Bible supposedly corroborates with scientific cosmological stances, as Dr. Hugh Ross claims... in Genesis 1:1-19, God is said to have created the heavens and the earth on the first day of creation and the sun, moon, and other planets on the fourth day. This contradicts the scientific fact that the sun and stars existed long before the earth. How do you reconcile the aforementioned biblical teaching with the scientific fact of the existence of the sun and earth? Which one do you ignore and take as a fact?
I’m an exmuslim athiest btw so I’m not trying to propose that any religion is better; I’m just curious about how he reconciles between these things...
He did explained it in more detail in other videos . I'm just trying to repeat what he explained. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth that is universe which includes the universal bodies. From the first day the point of reference shifted to the surface of the earth. The earth was dark not because there was no sun but because of the thick blanket of cloud as mentioned in job. So when he said let there be light he didn't create light but the opaque cloud covering became translucent. It's only on the fourth day(period)that this continuous thinning reached a point when it became transparent that the moon, sun, stars could be seen from the surface of the earth. Notice that he created the heavenly bodies in the beginning but from the view of the earth's surface they could be seen only later when the thick gases thinned down.
It's better if you listen to some of his videos for his explanation to these questions.Thanks
Lajong Shill Not gonna lie, that just sounds like some crazy mental gymnastics that pretty much anyone of any religion can replicate to that degree and deem their religion as true. What I’m saying is that according to the scientific cosmological standpoint, the Sun was in existence long before the Earth. But the biblical view clearly states that the Earth was created on day one and the sun was created on day 4, which clearly contradicts this scientific fact.
@@Maaz_Tahir I agree with the gymnastics part. But you see the word create the heavens and the earth (universe) appear only before day one.no time period is mentioned there. It never said that he created them in day four. Day 1 to day 6 is describing what appeared and happened only on the surface of the earth not of the whole universe.
What I understand from what he said is that the sun stars and earth etc were created before day 1 without indicating which was created before which. It was only in day 4 they could be seen from the earth's surface
Muhammad Abdul Qadir that’s a really valid point. It seems like he’s just a typical theist who bends the reality/message to conform to his preconceived beliefs.
Muhammad Abdul Qadir You can watch this video: ruclips.net/video/v3do_Pp-dQ4/видео.html. He talked about that there, but if you have spare time, it would be great to watch his other videos too. All the best.
Abdullah, thank you for such a fair and thoughtful interview. Honest questions, honest responses.
I don't think you fall into that category of being condemned Abdullah Sameer, because I think you are sincerely looking for truth. I think you have already accepted Jesus, you just don't realize it yet. You are receiving his servants and by doing so, you are receiving him....Matthtew 10:40 He who receives you receives Me, and he who receives Me receives Him who sent Me.
I think, as I am re-interpreting things, that Jesus wants us to have free will and encourage us to seek the truth. Much of the gospel is advice on how to do this, and how to cope with this, and what truth looks like etc... It seems obvious to me now, I don't know why I didn't realize it earlier, that God gave us enough free will to not choose him, then we not choose him, then he creates a remedy, a way back to him, that at the same time preserves our free will, that way back is Jesus sacrifice. So the reason for the sacrifice is to restore us and give us free will. The prodigal son is the story of our search for truth & love from God's perspective. This is, I think all so very beautiful. So, as long as someone is honestly searching for the truth, he is taking advantage of the free will God gave us and Jesus sacrificed for us to have so we will find our way to him. Atheist on this path make up the best Christians, CS Lewis, David Wood, etc...
Tim Kane very enlightening and well said, God bless
@@kingattila506 I love this theme. After we reject God, he has several choices. He could take away our free will and then we would never sin OR he could allow us to continue on with free will and no remedy and we'd all (or most anyway) would go to hell OR he could provide the remedy in his dying for us.
What also comes through is that the remedy for suffering in this life, is love. Love trifles all sufferance. My parents sacrificed much for me and my siblings, but they never saw it as sufferance as they were acting out of their love for us - they did it feely and gladly. Their love for us trifled the sufferance for us that they endured. The magnatude of God's love for us trifles the suffering of his passion and makes the sufferance on the cross possible. This is why I like some of the crucifix sculpture found in Catholicism. On the one hand it is gruesome. On the other hand, it is the photo negative of God's love for us - which must be abundant.
These themes are overwhelming to ponder.
I can only say that, It is very clear now, that having a great knowledge and expending more years to science, it's more better.
Great discussion abdullah sumting we can really take from. N i must say this guy hugh really talks sense. Love these kinds off discussions thanx again.
A very blessed wise man of God. That was very informative Mr Ross, the Bible is truly the INSPIRED WORD OF GOD ❤️❤️👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
thank you so much for this video Abdullah !
The way he said "God forbid" a second time almost sounded like he believed in God.
Lol it's a common expression
@@AbdullahSameerVideos Just like saying "By Jove" another name for Jupiter, the Roman god
It's great that Abdullah Sameer made this interview posible. He is an objective atheist, very polite with Dr Hugh Ross.
Yes i am glad Abdullah admitted his ignorance of biblical text and he was all over places today looking for cover .
@@Remake5182 may be its because your quran version of bible concept.. piece of false/incomplete info here and there.. voila, quranic bible..
I watched and i expected you to dismiss it but you couldn't when Dr. Ross presented scientific findings from bible you quickly switch to theological questions...... ... you are ignorant of Christianity stop acting like you know anything about it......
Sameer, brother....next time pls tried to be a good listener and stop cutting off and/ speak over people you talked with. Let them finished and then reply/ go to your next question.
Thanks.
Even the most cruel parents will not want their child to suffer for ever. How can you believe that the omniscient Creator who is our Divine Parent, thinks even wickeder that the most evil human you can find?
Sameer, we need subtitle in Indonesian language. God bless you always
Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways says the Lord❤️❤️☺️
Sorry, this guy does what all these folks do, jump around from one verse to another in his Bible, to prop up his idea his specific religion is the "right" one. Only persuasive to people who want a reason to believe in a myth. I guess people just need to think their lives just will not end.
@Smidlee Sorry, but I have no idea what that means, or the "logic" reference and how that would apply.
@Smidlee (I will not correct or edit any of this post, sorry if the spelling or grammar sucks, I just want to toss out my response and stick with it.)
About your hypothetical "Let's say we were twins."
I can make up stories about "what if too" I mean isn't that what human do? Makeup stories about things we have no explanations for?
About humans not being satisfied, I agree totally. That is what science does for us, help us understand our universe. Do we have all the answers? Of course not! But because we have the ability through science, to gain new knowledge, new explanations for those things humans wonder about, we can leave mythology behind us. Great to be alive today right?
Regarding your "evidence that life is not the "final stop."
We do understand we will die, scary huh? Does a fly not fulfil all of the desires, drives you describe? Food, water, sex? But because a fly is not aware, it need not make up gods in its image, right?
No human wants to face their own mortality, I don't, that is why I live in the moment. Over two years ago I was told I had six months to live. It was even such a sure thing, a financial company bought my life insurance policy, and paid me cash, LOTS of cash.
They pay the premium every month. I had under four years left on the term policy. Their doctors were so sure I'd be dead right now, and they would get a big pay off. So, I just live each day, maybe their "bet" will pay off, maybe not.
My life is pretty great, why? Luck. I happened to be born where I was, to a privileged life, not rich, but damn, things are good. I am not afraid of being dead, but the act of dying.
I have seen many people die, I even held a few in my arms as they died. Many others died alone, people I knew. Some folks die in a lot of pain, angry, or sad, or just scared, like all of us, like I will like YOU will.
You see, we all do not know about non-existence. Humans make up stories, we write books about it, create gods, goddesses, religions. Lots and LOTS of religions. Dead is scary.
I enjoy the moment, I enjoy this moment, sharing my thoughts with you, with my friends, family. All any of us have in now my friend. Cheers.
@Smidlee A belief or desire for something is not evidence. That is why there are thousands of gods throughout human history buddy. We are animals, with the ability to understand that we die. I can make up any "afterlife," I can gather followers, who believe in my idea, does not make it true, sorry. Google "Peoples Temple - Jim Jones" Or "Heavens Gate Marshell Applewhite" Just people making up stuff, religion.
@Smidlee I guess you are not understanding me, sorry if I'm not being clear with my points. I'm trying to point out beliefs in god, gods, myths, they are all man-made. Humans create these, but there is no proof for any of these beliefs. I guess humans just pick one or are born into whatever religion makes them "feel" good. More and more critical thinking folks just say, show us the evidence, until you do, we really are not persuaded.
Pointing to a book, or saying I "feel" or I had an emotional experience, is not evidence. Humans just have these experiences, whether they tie them to some god or myth is not proof. Sorry, Smidlee, if you are happy with that, I'm not trying to make you feel uncomfortable, I'm not saying you can't believe whatever you want to believe.
Feel free to do your rituals, as long as they don't impinge on me. I'm not interested in any sort of religion, god, goddess or myth, I have no need for any of them.
@Smidlee Hmm, I am spending a lot of time replying to your comments, then you delete your comment. Here is what you deleted, then my response. Please be an honest person, otherwise, I see no point in me spending my time to respond, only for you to revise your comments after the fact.
Smidlee posted:
"The Dying Atheist I telling you this is false. The desire for God is no more man-made as the desire for food ,water or sex. Human made grow their food, dig a well for water but the desires are something within man. " This line of thought has led to some scientists claiming that “atheism is psychologically impossible because of the way humans think,” says Graham Lawton, an avowed atheist himself, writing in the New Scientist. “They point to studies showing, for example, that even people who claim to be committed atheists tacitly hold religious beliefs, such as the existence of an immortal soul.” www.science20.com/writer_on_the_edge/blog/scientists_discover_that_atheists_might_not_exist_and_thats_not_a_joke-139982#.U77neYQckwA.facebook
I Responded:
I think we have discussed this above. I do a lot of studying, I have read the Bible cover to cover three times. (KJV 2 times, NIV one time) Attended a fundamentalist Christian college, even had classes in Greek I own a Strongs Concordance, with a Greek & Hebrew text right next to the KJV translation.
I don't need to follow your link, the title alone tells me all I need to know. If you would like to provide a link to the peer-reviewed articles relating to the assertion of the title of the article, in a well established scientific journal, I'd be more than willing to read the study. If you would like to point me to ANY papers written and published that has been peer-reviewed, I will follow the link and investigate. Note the in the title the wording "scientists discover" and "atheists MIGHT not exist." A little broad and all-encompassing, along with extremely vague.
I am not interested in a bloggers review of "something" they say in a title. If they are serious, the blogger will provide a link to the study or a link to the credentials and papers that support their conclusions. They do that right? Did you investigate after reading the blogger article did you investigate their credentials? Please post the actual links to the above, and I will be more than happy to look into them, as long as you have done the same. Otherwise, we will not really to be able to discuss this further buddy.
Cheers.
Christianity is the only truth.
Amen praise the Lord!
I liked this before I watched this. Go Hugh Ross! Love your ideas about the flood.
What a great conversation! Thanks Sameer for doing this great work. This is my first time to know Dr Hugh, I thank God for such Christian for this generation
Hey Abdullah, If you want to get to understand the bible better there is a channel on youtube that explains it really well called the bible project. It is one of my favourite youtube channels and I 10/10 would recommend
Learning with Smiley Yellow face
About as well as I can be accepted as a sexual addict or a compulsive gambler - which is to say *of* *course* . Everyone is born with predispositions that go against the laws of God, what matters is what we choose to do with them.
@@Remake5182 Did your god create 3 human? 1 male, 1 female, and a bi? Because Bible only told us He create only Adam and Eve.
Ifan Saputro
That's rude and completely uncalled for.
@@flawedandbeautiful4166 Tell me where i say it rude? did i said it wrong?
@@Remake5182
1st. What sexual mean? to have fun only or to make next generation? can bisexual make new generation? If sexual just for fun only, bisexual is accepted. But not in porposes in life.
2nd. quran is a plagiarism from the torah, injil, and folk tales. You can not compare it.
I remember doing the same kind of mental gymnastics trying to make the universe fit my narrative when I was a Christian. Funny though, how no one would have known about the Big Bang until science theorized it and discovered evidence for it, then all of a sudden "oh yeah, yeah... that's what Genesis is actually describing." Everyone thought the universe was a few thousand years old until science proved that it is 13.8 billion years, then all of a sudden "oh well actually a day isn't really 24 hours in Genesis." Diseases were demonic possessions or caused by sin until science discovered germs and viruses. Funny also how God started answering more prayers alongside the growth of our medical knowledge, oh but I'm sure God's just "guiding the doctors' hands."
Exactly, Muslims do the same thing, all sorts of books on how the Quran got science right.
The guys are talking about a book whose author is the Lord Jesus Christ.
When you acknowledge the Author, He enables you the wisdom to discover His Truth
What an intelligently cognitive biased person. He is very likeable.
Huge fan of Dr. Ross! Awesome job Dr. Ross.
I believe that Abdullah believe he can build a world better than God. Dr. Ross hit points that Abdullah just dont subscribe to anything supernatural. His curiosity can help him but his intelligence will keep him closed to gods word. Keep searching for God Abdullah! Read the Bible for yourself and you will feel the Holy spirit! Id love to see this debate after he reads the bible through. God bless!
Abdullah looks like he’s not even really listening he just ready to make a follow up question
Kane Anderson that's how Muslims usually ask questions..
jaysaviod he is not a muslim tho?
Evolution has not stopped, it still goes on. If you look up Aron Ra's videos, he has explained that new kind of animals have evolved recently who cannot procreate with their ancestors who also exist today. Dr. Hugh, if you are reading this, please debate with Aron Ra. It would be interesting ones, since you have fresh perspective than other christians.
Even common birds have began to change their way of singing. I've began to hear new kinds of songs from bird nearby cities comparing countryside.
Do u know if Aron would chat with Hugh? I can try to arrange it.
Do u know if Aron Ra would talk with Hugh? I can try to facilitate that
dont you think, you must believe in Jesus now.. dont stop right now.. go find the truth and you ll find Jesus
Sameer after get out from islamism, he announce that he is an atheist. he debates and questioning alot about the bible, but always from islamic perspectives. I believe sameer is muslim atheist because he promotes islam secularism and want islam reformed. As long as he did not erase his islamic mind, i doubt he will be Jesus follower.
at least others will.. someday he will too otherwise he will regret
He is probably doing taqiyya
@@ifan433 If a man, such as Abdullah, can stand up against what he was taught from a *child* because he chooses to be factual rather than emotional, then he's logical, open minded and unwilling to be fooled by BS.
Expect him to be Christian within a relatively short time.
Abdullah Sameer Can you give any update on livestreaming with Richard Carrier?
Loved this interview
The beautiful thing is, you just committed blasphemy in my faith, but i will never throw you off a building or call for your execution!!
Hmm neither u wont in islam until u spread filth in public..after all that no muslim did anything to him tats ths religion n tolerance of islam
what faith?
Kill Followers of Other Religions = including WOMEN (Numbers 25:1-9 NLT)
@Milagros B. Others have given up ever since they realized that religiosity should not come at cost of material progress .. :D
@Milagros B. i assume you are not a Catholic. Have you deleted all your" photos" of family and your exemplar that are in your possession?
You cannot live without pictures in this age .. you have pictures everywhere. Please throw your phone and TV away that is a source of so many pictures. God is cauing boneheaded fake logic like this retract.
All these religions are based on hatered for polytheistic freedom. So they encaged ppl in a religion where pope clergy and king could get complete control of people via a single authoritative legal religion. So they "satanized" art music dance .. that's mass enslavement .. you became an instrument in hands of the ruling class .. that is why in my religion we aspire for freedom and virtues and love ..
I really liked the discussion. In my opinion asking a religious person why God created evil is similar to asking an atheist why Big Bang happened. There is no story to tell if you know the Butler did it.
It is amazing to see such an intelligent man using his intelligence to make the Bible say what it doesn't. Another example of seeing the speck in the eye of other religionists but blind to the beam in one's own eye.
I don’t know how did you come with conclusion that quran contracts with science creation of universe theory ( big bang ) when it clearly states the same theory 1400 years ago.
“Have those who disbelieved not
considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?”
(Alanbiyah,30)
My Son just be a good lad help others,donate to poor people (not through charity go to streets and help some of them),enjoy your life to the fullest as if it's your last. In the end Jesus will be waiting for you and you will be with the Heavenly Father christian or an atheist while you are a good guy you will surely enter Heaven. I pray that Heavenly Father grants you a kind heart.
Without God there is nothing
Without god, the Universe would still be there.
Concept of god was created to make us better human beings.people forget god is not something outside . All those qualities like loving, forgiving , powerful etc. Are within us. That’s what thepurpose of religion and spirituality was . Ironically we forget everything within and only focus on the outside. Heaven and hells need to be destroyed because they are not outside they are within us as we experience life. Science has not discovered everything yet so even relying on science is not completely accurate
Judging by the repetitive comments looks like this video had brought all the Jesus Gang out of the woodwork.
Atheist pls think about the fine tuning of this EARTH.the SPACE and MASS and TIME are all not coincidence..
cpunish... even if they are not... do you have an answer? or just based on "assumptions" mixed with biasis.
@Don Fatale Creator has right for every happening.one who create can destroy also...look at natural disasters.. tsunami.flood. accidents.they all kills .. So we as human beings can't understand all about creators thinking. for that all we can't blame god coz we are just his creations...
Surprisingly, from a bit of googling, the criticism of Dr Ross’ works and beliefs are his fellow Christians
Great Conversation, keep it up
Dr Ross is a v spiritually evolved person.The constant smile and his calm demeanor is so good to see.
S mathias very well said listening to him talk about Christianity makes me feel really calm almost at peace with myself he hass a amazing mind.
Bro read the bible and find for yourself seek and ye shall find
Come back to Hinduism, nothing there in Abrhamic religion.
It is great to see Abdullah having such a wonderful guest, I have learnt so much watching this video.
One thing I think we may need to consider and a possibility that God exists. Abdullah is asking why God was not direct in describing creation, could it be the audience at the time, being primitive, etc. Would modern cosmology lingo fit in, over two thousand years ago? The Bible does say that things will be revealed at the appropriate time.
Both love and sin are outcome of free will.
Imperfection makes more imperfection, we live not only through consequences of our sins, but also of what other people chose to do.
We also not live how we were designed to, including food.
@@Remake5182
There is free will. You can choose good or bad. That's what humans are. God did not create humans like robots.
@@Remake5182
If everything is written by God then there would be no evil. God cannot do evils.
@@Remake5182 Knowing everything does not mean He causes everything. You can know something is going to happen without causing it yourself.
@@Remake5182 God created us with the ability to choose him or reject him. The ability to choose right or wrong. Evil is not a created thing. It is the absence of good. Like cold is not a thing, it is the absence of heat. God allows evil to exist because without it we would have no choice but to obey him. He does not want robots, he wants humans with the capability to love.
@@Remake5182 Hell is simply a place separate from God. If you choose not to be with him, he will not force you. Why do you want to be separate from your loving Creator?
Thanks Hugh.
I am a Christian and I do like Hugh Ross but to be honest I'm not keen on looking for scientific facts in the Bible. I'm pretty sure Augustine in the fourth century warned Christians not to look for science in the Bible. Jesus's message is infinitely more important than any scientific 'miracles' that may appear there.
ADayWithoutYesterday I understand, but don’t worry, he was not looking for scientific facts there. He is comparing the findings in science with what was written in the scriptures.
As a Christian I find it hard to read the Bible as if it was a reflecting modern scientific belief. What happens if scientific beliefs changes?Will Hugh Ross leave Christianity. Many things in the Bible are describing the history of the Israelites and the life of Jesus. I think the most important things we should get from Creation in Genesis is that God is the created of all things. He made earth to be habitable and filled it with life and unlike other living things on earth, he made us in his likeness and image.Like a parent providing for his children and loves them unconditionally.Old, young, expanding, oscillating, Big Bang, none of it is relevant. I just don’t see that as anything that Jesus really thought we needed to know.I still think he is a brother in Christ and I hope he brings people to God.It is so refreshing to hear some reasonable and rational atheists who are interested in Christianity.God bless all of you.
How bout letting your guest speak dude i mean come on ask a question we dont need exposition for 10 min
If and when your child grows up to insult you then you are the one to be kept accountable not the child. Everything starts with family, therefore parents are liable, not children because parent didn’t give them instruction and discipline
Blessed are those who have not seen but yet believe...I dont need proof that Jesus is God in flesh✝
I quite like the idea that I heard expressed a long time ago that says that God is limited in his powers and has to conform to certain cosmic and natural laws -this idea would obviate to some extent the problem of evil -God cannot abolish evil but he can assist mankind to oppose it.Alongside this theory is also the notion that God needs us to fulfill his plans more than us needing him -if we reach out to him then he can help us to some extent but his ability is constrained by natural laws.
I do not understand you. God is not constrained by anything, He is very much close to us, in our hearts those that believe, His Holy Spirit.
@@everlastthomas5006 Arguing within the Christian biblical thought bubble -God must be constrained by SOME things -otherwise he would forgive everyone unconditionally no matter what crimes and things they have committed -he would have hit the reset button and whiped the slate clean on everyone -why doesn't he do it -the constraints of eternal justice?
@@kaloarepo288 There's forgiveness for all that need it.
He's a God of law n order, mercy n justice rules His kingdom.
*Paul said that the 12 disciples saw the resurrected Jesus.* *However, Judas had already been dead before Jesus died.* *He did not see Jesus*
Acts 1.21-26
So one of the men who have accompanied us during all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, beginning from the baptism of John until the day when he was taken up from us-one of these men must become with us a witness to his resurrection." And they put forward two, Joseph called Barsabbas, who was also called Justus, and Matthias. And they prayed and said, "You, Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which one of these two you have chosen to take the place in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to go to his own place." And they cast lots for them, and the lot fell on Matthias, and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
There you have it.Paul is ,correctly, referring to the 12 ,all of whom witnessed the resurrection,including Matthias ,and stating that he is to be ' numbered with the 11'.Paul is referring to the 12 he knows ,when referencing a recent event.It's called prolepsis ,I believe.The other explanation would be that the '12' merely is an honorific title for the core group of disciples ,and is kept as their 'name ' even when their number is less ,or greater than that.
Either way ,no issue.
Amen.
Memeophobe
*Nope!*
" then of the twelve; *though there were then but eleven of them, Judas being gone from them, and having destroyed himself* " _Gill's exposition of Entire Bible_ , a christian commentery.
@@البريقاللامع-ج8خ Nope?
Then you don't give an explanation?
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More than 500 saw the resurrected Jesus ,including Matthias ,who later took the place of Judas in the numerical '12' ,and had been a witness to Christ during the full time of His ministry.So ,Paul is retrospectively saying ,that the '12' saw Christ after the resurrection.There ,I've made it even easier for you,but it helps if you read my comment in the first place.
@@Memeophobe Amen
Very interesting. I do not know what kind of Christian Dr Ross is, but I assume a Protestant . I would love to see the same conversation with Catholic apologist.
Father i pray to you that You Bring Abdullah to the pure light and that he shall have eternal happiness and life in Heaven God bless you Abdullah we always support you Accepting Jesus would be more worth then the whole Money on this earth ( im meaning by that that Accepting Jesus is more worth then anything ) God bless you and Keep up the Good Work AMEN 🙏
Bible is not a scientific book. Bible has God revelation to save your soul. If you find science in the Bible is good, but that is not the objective.
Hell is for the souls that do not want to be with God, then if you do not want to be near God, you need to be far from him, that is Hell.
You choose if you want to be far from God
who is god ? you read it in a book ?it is like a menu where the food is missing.
@@zerototalenergy150 why in a book? because a book is where do you write ideas, knowledge, information to transmit. Why the menu is written, because you want to provide information of the food to somebody else.
@@Remake5182 I believe because I know that there is life after this life, for a personal experience that I had.
Believe in GOD for the LIFE itself that can not be created in laboratory.
In the power of God because of the existence of exorcism.
@@Remake5182 If you do your research , you can find stories of people that had experience with spirits. That is my case.
Also, not sure if you heard about catholic exorcism, where evil is expelled from possessed people.
@@Remake5182 I already reviewed it.
Christianity does not believe in Jins as spiritual entities that are evil or good.
In Christianity spiritual entities can be angels, demons or the spirit of somebody who died.
All demons and angels know who is Jesus and Jesus has authority over all of them because he is God.
We can read it in Mark 5.
I can not find the same situation with Muhammad because he is only a prophet.
Then, I need to believe in Jesus rather than in Muhammad.
He should debate with Matt Dillahumty, Tracie and Jon
Would love for Matt Dillahanty to talk with Dr. Ross
I have studied Bible it seems to me like a folklore of jews.
Wow, nice explanation by Dr. Ross, and Abdullah Sameer, you are very open minded and good listener.
Well, this just proved that given enough brainwashing (and some well-placed incentives...😉😉), even smart and educated people can manipulate obvious meanings to find "holiness" in even the most tasteless and stupidest of books created by men. Such is the sorry human condition.
@@Metarig So, pointing out the obvious makes you hatefull? I don't sence any anger in this comment, resignition maybe. And insult? Give us a break.
@@8fot calling Dr. Ross brainwashed isn't insulting? resignation? it's ridiculous, why do you assume since he is a doctor he should be an atheist? as if atheism is a religion and doctors are its priests
And that is how you interview with people you don't agree. Well done Sameer 👍👍👍
I love you Abdullah... but you can’t label ideas and talk about the Bible if you haven’t read and studied it... it’s complexity and solidarity puts the Quran to incredible shame. And I say that as lovingly as I possibly can. Please do take time to study and read it. And do so from the Hebrew language context. Perhaps classes from Rabbi etc. Ravi Zacharias is a great resource... also the RUclips channel Torah Class.
Truth Alone Jesus didn’t put anyone to death... clearly you have no idea what you’re talking about and in that case I can’t answer your question since it doesn’t exist... you need to read it again and start with Matthew then after you finish revelation you can read the old if you like. No one will understand the old without the new to complete the understanding of its mysteries
Truth Alone ok first of all I have read the text in my own source , thank you for the reference... this portion of scripture is referring to an evil man named Judah who sold his brother into slavery out of jealousy, and then later told his other son to “give his dead brother some sons” which unless you ask a rabbi what that means I can only assume it is referring to a common custom of passing along wives and offspring in that ancient nomadic culture? Or that he is speaking metaphorically and just arranging their marriage (although not likely). The issue was that Judah is evil, we was evil (for reasons it doesn’t say) and died, and this other son who did Not want to impregnate the woman died also because he was “evil” for what reason? Is it the reason you said? Not really. It WASNT that he felt bad for the woman and refused to impregnate his own sister in law (which would have been normal back then to sometimes marry widows in the family ), BUT he was found evil bc he did not want to give an inheritance of children for his family members. So the root of this act wasn’t sympathy or nobility but jealousy and bitterness... so since he came from a whole line of evil dad and brothers, it’s not so weird that he died. There was a purification that was taking place in the Hebrew blood lines back in the ancient days. This is also why we have the great flood etc. there was a big reason for spiritual cleansing and if someone was evil beyond repair with a heart that would never turn away from evil, then that person was beyond help. Hope that helps... a lot of the stuff in the Old Testament is super super old (thousands or even hundreds of thousands of yrs old) and some stuff is not acceptable today in society but was at that time bc life was harsh and difficult. Also a lot of it isn’t saying “this and that happened (and therefore God approves)”.. but it is merely stating “this and that happened” and doesn’t state if God approves or disapproves bc it is just telling the story that happened. If you tell me a horrible story of what happened to your friend it would be stupid to assume that you approve of it just for telling me the story.
Truth Alone did you read my full reply? I already answered this. It was the evil motives for which he refused to do it, not because he merely refused to or that he cared for Tamar (which he didn’t).
Truth Alone in addition, the lineage of the messiah was not to come through Jacob line but through Judah line, so that is why it was so important for someone from Judah’s sons to have children because without them the messiah would not be as prophecies.
Here is a full commentary and teaching on this story. It was also used to show contrast in the good and evil differences in the brothers Judah and Jacob lives.
ruclips.net/video/Y9cYyU5bYSE/видео.html
Truth Alone you’re not looking for answers or discussion, you just want arguments . So answering you many questions is pointless for me. No thank you. If you don’t want to believe in Yahweh that’s your problem. Other worlds religions gods don’t get interrogated nearly as much as Yeshua. That alone should make people ask why? Since other gods and beliefs have many things we can say is disgusting in the holy books or things we don’t understand etc. you won’t find truth alone as long as you keep criticizing instead of seek to understand for yourself. Stop asking everyone else and ask Yahweh yourself why He did this and that. Don’t forget the triune God we worship is 3 in 1. So you’re technically incorrect to say Jesus did these things. Yahweh did.
Appendix argument is flawed. Being useful in other ways doesn't meant it didn't lose its original purpose. Imagine an abandoned factory, now sheltering homeless people. We can say, yeah the factory is useful in a way but it doesn't work the way it supposed to.