All honestly, especially in the context of the mix it was very hard to hear a reasonable difference. Any of them would get the job done. Goes to show how the speaker has a much larger effect on the overall tone.
I have an Origin combo and it took time to me to realize that the speaker/cab was the problem. Once I got an IR loader pedal, I learned that once you have a Marshall tube amp and a good IR, you can't go wrong!
@@letsgofuckingcrazy yeah you’d get a far smaller difference swapping your origin for a studio vintage than you’d get from going from a 1x12 to a 4x12, or from a greenback cab to a v30 cab!
I do like that amp a lot, but would really like a less bright bright cap on it soon. Unless it’s ripping it can be pretty fizzy. Vintage modern is for sale but wish it wasn’t. It’s amazing!
@@kaisound868 Thanks for the answer (your dad sent me the link to this) and massive hi too you too. I have the SV20H too and mine is not bright at all (but can be if needed) and better sounding than the old plexis I have. I am not much of a Marshall guy but it is very useful sound at times. One really worth trying is the JVM410HJS (that one I use much more than the plexi stuff), also the YJM (I don't have one of those). The plexi hole seem to be very popular to fall down in, especially when people get older 🙂 Then some vintage guitars to that one.
@@MagnusOlssonGuitar I guessed he might have! Are you not jumping the channels then? Or just running the volume high and using guitar to control drive? I have the 410 but not the JS, big fan of that amp but has too much gain. May swap some valves and make it more reasonable! I just had to try them when I saw them at a good price! Don’t regret it…but struggling to sell so maybe not so smart!
I do jump the channels most of the time and then play around with the volume for each channel until it is “okay” with chosen guitar and speaker (no DI). And obviously the volume of the guitar. Very rarely any pedals in front of it. I like it but don’t use it much. Most overdrive sounds here is that amp (pushed hard) ruclips.net/video/-1jjHfwah3o/видео.htmlsi=qKjK4EHSF7DmH1Wa The normal 410 is one of the most horrible Marshall’s I ever tried. The JS is a completely different amp that just looks the same. From being around great amp builders much the last couple of years would I say that a tube change don’t make that much of a difference. For amount of gain can it maybe change it 4-5%, so my look at it is “don’t like the sound, get rid of it. Not worth spending time unless you gone rebuild the amp (especially the gain stack and the tone stack). It is very cool to see how you grown (music wise) Daniel. Would love to meet and just nerd away.
Do some Steve Stevens (Billy Idol)! 😂 Great video. I guess I might pick up a DSL... The small amp's size fits my love for less claustrophobia tho... 😅 On the other hand.. Maybe the DSL is the most versatile?
The DSL is a great bargain, but if you like the more vintage side of things then the Vintage Modern would be the way to go. DSL is the most versatile here. Its high gain is an acquired taste but I love it. The baby plexi is sick, but for the same price you can get the arguably better Vintage Modern if you have the space and ability to turn it up!
It’s the Vintage Modern for me and I don’t know what it is but it’s doing something that I like a little better than the rest. They all sound great but what I take away is Marshalls sound like Marshall but I love everything from the DSL up to the Plexis and if I could afford it and had a space to use it I would probably go for a JVM.
In this test on average I think I’d agree. It’s midrange, or upper midrange is more gnarly and I personally feel it cuts the most. I got a JVM recently but didn’t think I needed to pop it in the video. Its Plexi thing is ‘better’ than the DSL but I wouldn’t say it’s the special part of that amp, but perfectly serviceable!
@@kaisound868 Yeah I just think the JVM is the most versatile amp as far as covering most Marshall tones pretty well but with the addition of a true clean channel if you need that and also the independent channel eq is a nice thing most two channel Marshalls is a compromise if you want to use both channels the single EQ it’s a balancing act but the Vintage Modern sounds phenomenal in this video. I love the 20 watt Marshalls too and wish they would make a 20 watt JVM
@@brandonjackson5865 agreed! I would say though it doesn’t do a DSL thing really though, not that it matters to most people! I think with one tone stack amps, they thrive with players that use their tone and volume knobs. I do not haha! I’m not sure they could fit all the JVM bits in a small housing! It’s a monster!
@@kaisound868 yeah if they did do it maybe they could do the clean and crunch channels only with sorta a rectoverb control layout 2 independent channels with two selectable modes. Yeah no way they could cram everything into that small a head and suppose I might be the minority in someone who would be interested in that. I also agree that the guys chasing the Plexi thing are not going to be satisfied with anything else more than likely. My current amp is a DSL20cr and it is more than enough amp for me and I love the dsl’s gain sound. I put a V30 in it and that was not the right speaker for it in my opinion, then I bought a used Cream Back and it suits it better in the combo of course I got the v30 in a old peavey vertical 2x12 and probably will try to find something else to pair with it. I didn’t care for the stock 70/80 at all but it might have been better if I had enough patience to break it in.
The MG is Marshalls entry level I think modeling amp . I think they’re too many better options in the price range of those like say a 50 watt Katana, but I think the MG can be dialed into have some decent practice tones but I don’t think they are worth the “Marshall” tax . I guess if you could get a used MG cheap enough maybe but I think the consensus is that there’s better options ie Katana Fender GT whatever they are?
The JCM2000 DSL100 was my first tube amp. It's a killer amp actually. Impressive rock sound, but the design is plagued with issues. They overheat, and burn out eventually. Marshall had to recall them. My understanding is they all eventually die. If I still owned mine I would have a tech mod it for safety.
I've heard about some of these, the guy before me had this from the early 2000s and gigged it extensively and it's still going strong! I'm surprised it hasn't died yet in his use!
You’re never going to hear the subtle, and not so subtle differences, in a recording, that’s been played to a backing track, and sounds like it’s been double tracked. The only way to do a comparison like this is record a quick chord/riff on each amp, dry, no backing or doubling. Even then you’re gonna hear way more differences in the actual room. Playing a DSL then a vintage 1987 back to back in the room, through the same cab, the differences in sound and feel would be obvious.
Appreciate the comment, but I obviously disagree 😅 this is the only way to do a test like this. Same take of the performance sent through each amp. Playing them separately with a new performance generates too much error in the person when their performance reacts to the amp, changing the output from the pickup and therefore the amp. Additionally, the differences in the room don’t matter other than to the individual who has them in the room with them. Every single time you hear a song, you hear an amp, cab, mic, mic pre, eq, compression, limiting and more. If you can’t hear the differences in a mix, then they don’t matter.
@@kaisound868yeah but your video is titled , To Plexi, Or Not Too Plexi(not How To Make Every Marshall Sound Exactly The Same In A Recorded Mix)and most of your viewers are going to be playing the thing solo, in their music room, or jam room, or on stage, where the differences in sound and feel between amps is much more obvious. The guys who only judge an amp for how it sounds in a recorded mix are going to be in the minority. It’s hard enough to judge if a piece of gear is right for you from YT clips but it’s nearly impossible when the amp is in a mix and made to sound like an idealised, massive recorded amp tone. Also, there’s way more gain here than ACDC or Lizzy ever used and once you dial in so much gain you can hear the chord sustain endlessly as it fades out, you’ve gone past the point you’re gonna hear any differences in a mix. And who cares if there’s slight differences in how you, as a player, react to the amp !? Isn’t the idea of having a great amp so that it will respond to your playing dynamics ?? It’s one of the reasons the Plexi is so iconic and as players it’s how we seperate great amps from average amps.
@@zachariahwade8482 it seems you want a non objective test. If you’re happy to change the input, then you’re going to change the output and you’re no longer comparing just amps. If you watch someone do back to back playing of amps or gear and they change anything then it’s not an accurate test anymore and you’re better off muting the audio when they play and just listening to their thoughts on things. Fair point that lots of people play amps in rooms. That’s what guitar shops are for and you can go demo gear there yourself. RUclips given its lack of ability to teleport viewers to the time and place of videos being filmed cannot give you ‘in the room experience’ which it seems like is what you want.
@@kaisound868 you’re completely missing the point. If the guitar, speaker , mic placement etc is all exactly the same and the only thing changing is the players reaction to each amp, then that is as valid a comparison as any. The idea that if a guitarist played 5 amps, and the only variable is, due to the different feel of each amp, he didn’t strike the strings in exactly the same manner for each amp, and it’s therefore not a fair comparison, is bonkers.
Great video, gained you a subscriber. Let's see where this channel goes!
Much appreciated!
All are excellent. I am a fan of the 900 series.
All marshalls are beautiful in there own unique ways. 🎉
Never played one! I’ve heard mixed things but they seem to be gaining popularity?
All honestly, especially in the context of the mix it was very hard to hear a reasonable difference. Any of them would get the job done. Goes to show how the speaker has a much larger effect on the overall tone.
Could NOT agree more! Watch anything by Jim Lill and you learn so much about that exact sentiment!
Love his videos, much needed forensic investigation into guitar tone. Nice comparison BTW, looking forward to your next one :)@@kaisound868
I have an Origin combo and it took time to me to realize that the speaker/cab was the problem. Once I got an IR loader pedal, I learned that once you have a Marshall tube amp and a good IR, you can't go wrong!
@@letsgofuckingcrazy yeah you’d get a far smaller difference swapping your origin for a studio vintage than you’d get from going from a 1x12 to a 4x12, or from a greenback cab to a v30 cab!
Great video, nice playing and BEAUTIFUL Les Paul! New subscriber.
Thanks! I think it’s stunnning too! It’s in my favourite les Paul I’ve played!
It’s so nice… what is it?
@@joves3407 2001 standard plus in honey burst
Great video Daniel!
I think I liked the SV20 best.
I do like that amp a lot, but would really like a less bright bright cap on it soon. Unless it’s ripping it can be pretty fizzy. Vintage modern is for sale but wish it wasn’t. It’s amazing!
Hi by the way!!
@@kaisound868 Thanks for the answer (your dad sent me the link to this) and massive hi too you too.
I have the SV20H too and mine is not bright at all (but can be if needed) and better sounding than the old plexis I have.
I am not much of a Marshall guy but it is very useful sound at times.
One really worth trying is the JVM410HJS (that one I use much more than the plexi stuff), also the YJM (I don't have one of those).
The plexi hole seem to be very popular to fall down in, especially when people get older 🙂
Then some vintage guitars to that one.
@@MagnusOlssonGuitar I guessed he might have! Are you not jumping the channels then? Or just running the volume high and using guitar to control drive? I have the 410 but not the JS, big fan of that amp but has too much gain. May swap some valves and make it more reasonable! I just had to try them when I saw them at a good price! Don’t regret it…but struggling to sell so maybe not so smart!
I do jump the channels most of the time and then play around with the volume for each channel until it is “okay” with chosen guitar and speaker (no DI). And obviously the volume of the guitar. Very rarely any pedals in front of it. I like it but don’t use it much.
Most overdrive sounds here is that amp (pushed hard) ruclips.net/video/-1jjHfwah3o/видео.htmlsi=qKjK4EHSF7DmH1Wa
The normal 410 is one of the most horrible Marshall’s I ever tried. The JS is a completely different amp that just looks the same.
From being around great amp builders much the last couple of years would I say that a tube change don’t make that much of a difference.
For amount of gain can it maybe change it 4-5%, so my look at it is “don’t like the sound, get rid of it. Not worth spending time unless you gone rebuild the amp (especially the gain stack and the tone stack).
It is very cool to see how you grown (music wise) Daniel. Would love to meet and just nerd away.
Do some Steve Stevens (Billy Idol)! 😂
Great video. I guess I might pick up a DSL... The small amp's size fits my love for less claustrophobia tho... 😅
On the other hand.. Maybe the DSL is the most versatile?
The DSL is a great bargain, but if you like the more vintage side of things then the Vintage Modern would be the way to go. DSL is the most versatile here. Its high gain is an acquired taste but I love it. The baby plexi is sick, but for the same price you can get the arguably better Vintage Modern if you have the space and ability to turn it up!
It’s the Vintage Modern for me and I don’t know what it is but it’s doing something that I like a little better than the rest. They all sound great but what I take away is Marshalls sound like Marshall but I love everything from the DSL up to the Plexis and if I could afford it and had a space to use it I would probably go for a JVM.
In this test on average I think I’d agree. It’s midrange, or upper midrange is more gnarly and I personally feel it cuts the most. I got a JVM recently but didn’t think I needed to pop it in the video. Its Plexi thing is ‘better’ than the DSL but I wouldn’t say it’s the special part of that amp, but perfectly serviceable!
@@kaisound868 Yeah I just think the JVM is the most versatile amp as far as covering most Marshall tones pretty well but with the addition of a true clean channel if you need that and also the independent channel eq is a nice thing most two channel Marshalls is a compromise if you want to use both channels the single EQ it’s a balancing act but the Vintage Modern sounds phenomenal in this video. I love the 20 watt Marshalls too and wish they would make a 20 watt JVM
@@brandonjackson5865 agreed! I would say though it doesn’t do a DSL thing really though, not that it matters to most people! I think with one tone stack amps, they thrive with players that use their tone and volume knobs. I do not haha! I’m not sure they could fit all the JVM bits in a small housing! It’s a monster!
@@kaisound868 yeah if they did do it maybe they could do the clean and crunch channels only with sorta a rectoverb control layout 2 independent channels with two selectable modes. Yeah no way they could cram everything into that small a head and suppose I might be the minority in someone who would be interested in that. I also agree that the guys chasing the Plexi thing are not going to be satisfied with anything else more than likely. My current amp is a DSL20cr and it is more than enough amp for me and I love the dsl’s gain sound. I put a V30 in it and that was not the right speaker for it in my opinion, then I bought a used Cream Back and it suits it better in the combo of course I got the v30 in a old peavey vertical 2x12 and probably will try to find something else to pair with it. I didn’t care for the stock 70/80 at all but it might have been better if I had enough patience to break it in.
Does Marshall MG sound good at all. I rarely see people comparing the mgs
Is the MG the solid state one from the early 2000s?
@@kaisound868 the mg is the cheapest ones, they still make em, it’s totally non tube beginner, I was just curious if they would hold up
The MG is Marshalls entry level I think modeling amp . I think they’re too many better options in the price range of those like say a 50 watt Katana, but I think the MG can be dialed into have some decent practice tones but I don’t think they are worth the “Marshall” tax . I guess if you could get a used MG cheap enough maybe but I think the consensus is that there’s better options ie Katana Fender GT whatever they are?
@@brandonjackson5865 I'll take your word for it! Not something I've ever had a chance to try.
The JCM2000 DSL100 was my first tube amp. It's a killer amp actually. Impressive rock sound, but the design is plagued with issues. They overheat, and burn out eventually. Marshall had to recall them. My understanding is they all eventually die. If I still owned mine I would have a tech mod it for safety.
I've heard about some of these, the guy before me had this from the early 2000s and gigged it extensively and it's still going strong! I'm surprised it hasn't died yet in his use!
You’re never going to hear the subtle, and not so subtle differences, in a recording, that’s been played to a backing track, and sounds like it’s been double tracked.
The only way to do a comparison like this is record a quick chord/riff on each amp, dry, no backing or doubling. Even then you’re gonna hear way more differences in the actual room.
Playing a DSL then a vintage 1987 back to back in the room, through the same cab, the differences in sound and feel would be obvious.
Appreciate the comment, but I obviously disagree 😅 this is the only way to do a test like this. Same take of the performance sent through each amp. Playing them separately with a new performance generates too much error in the person when their performance reacts to the amp, changing the output from the pickup and therefore the amp.
Additionally, the differences in the room don’t matter other than to the individual who has them in the room with them. Every single time you hear a song, you hear an amp, cab, mic, mic pre, eq, compression, limiting and more. If you can’t hear the differences in a mix, then they don’t matter.
@@kaisound868yeah but your video is titled , To Plexi, Or Not Too Plexi(not How To Make Every Marshall Sound Exactly The Same In A Recorded Mix)and most of your viewers are going to be playing the thing solo, in their music room, or jam room, or on stage, where the differences in sound and feel between amps is much more obvious. The guys who only judge an amp for how it sounds in a recorded mix are going to be in the minority.
It’s hard enough to judge if a piece of gear is right for you from YT clips but it’s nearly impossible when the amp is in a mix and made to sound like an idealised, massive recorded amp tone. Also, there’s way more gain here than ACDC or Lizzy ever used and once you dial in so much gain you can hear the chord sustain endlessly as it fades out, you’ve gone past the point you’re gonna hear any differences in a mix.
And who cares if there’s slight differences in how you, as a player, react to the amp !? Isn’t the idea of having a great amp so that it will respond to your playing dynamics ?? It’s one of the reasons the Plexi is so iconic and as players it’s how we seperate great amps from average amps.
@@zachariahwade8482 it seems you want a non objective test. If you’re happy to change the input, then you’re going to change the output and you’re no longer comparing just amps. If you watch someone do back to back playing of amps or gear and they change anything then it’s not an accurate test anymore and you’re better off muting the audio when they play and just listening to their thoughts on things.
Fair point that lots of people play amps in rooms. That’s what guitar shops are for and you can go demo gear there yourself. RUclips given its lack of ability to teleport viewers to the time and place of videos being filmed cannot give you ‘in the room experience’ which it seems like is what you want.
@@kaisound868 you’re completely missing the point. If the guitar, speaker , mic placement etc is all exactly the same and the only thing changing is the players reaction to each amp, then that is as valid a comparison as any. The idea that if a guitarist played 5 amps, and the only variable is, due to the different feel of each amp, he didn’t strike the strings in exactly the same manner for each amp, and it’s therefore not a fair comparison, is bonkers.
@@kaisound868 and just a FYI, the best YT demo comparisons do indeed give you a ‘in the room experience’, or as close as is possible given the medium.