The Fermi Paradox: Firstborn
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- As ancient and vast as the Universe is, it seems like some alien race arose in the galaxy long before us, but who rose before them? What would the cosmos be like for the first civilization to arise, and what if it is us?
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The Fermi Paradox: Firstborn
Episode 242; June 11, 2020
Writers:
Isaac Arthur
Editors:
Darius Said
Jerry Guern
Produced & Narrated by:
Isaac Arthur
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Humanity: FIRST!
The Universe: Nobody cares.
Humanity: Yet!
Humanaty: Creates millons of millions of alien civilizations.
@@rommdan2716
That's stupid. If we create them then they're not alien.
@@theuncalledfor You do not have children do you:-)
@@theuncalledfor no people will evolve different on other planets enough time and we can call them alien and we could engineer our own aliens if there is none
@@Bruh-hq1hx "Fook, there are no aliens! We'll make some, then be especially cryptic heh heh heh."
Could you imagine everyone else getting to the party and humanity is already drunk?
Typical.
You mean shitfaced to the point that they point to the barn wall and scream, "Fuck You!" and then proceed to run full force into said barn wall knocking themswlves out? Yeah, I believe it.
Yeah, but we've turned the Oort Cloud into this giiiiiiiiant bong, and we're ready to pass it. Here ya go, little tentacle-critters, take a nice big hit! :)
@@kevincrady2831 😂🤣😂👽👍
They wouldn't have been old enough to drink anyways haha.
@@kevincrady2831 why must it always be tentacles? Curse you, hentai! *shakes fist* 😉
The thought of us being the wise Precursors is kind of terrifying. And hilarious.
All precursors feel that way!
And lonely.
The more you know the more you find out to know. The larger the island of knowledge the longer the border of wonder
If it makes you feel better, for now we do not qualify to be precursors. Maybe in some hundreds or thousands of years we might qualify (our current technology is just too primitive)
I would have to say terrifying and sad actually.
> Be the first civilazation on the Galaxy.
> Discover FTL drive.
> Become a Fanatical Purifier.
It's inevitable, sapients compete in the same ecological niche
@@GodActio Not necessarily, and even if that's the case cooperation is almost always the better option. If even 1 individual of a species we obliterated survives he will be back in a few thousand years and will have probably written down or told his offspring about the genocide, so it might be possible that they sneak a nuke onto earth which would cause thousands or millions of deaths, so you have to be careful about angering even primitive species
Stellaris?
@@dipborah7978 Yes
@@lukasstaar6860 hard to survive an RKM that blasts your planet apart... or one trillion RKMs that shotgun your entire solar system
Maybe we’re at the start of a universe wide “Cambrian” explosion and we’ll start to see the Dyson swarms pop up at the same time as our own plus light lag.
"Hanz, get the singularity gun."
Imagine we begin building a Dyson construct, thinking we're so great to be the first to do it. Then we notice some other civilization also building one. They complete theirs 936 years after we complete ours, but they are 937 light years away.
You know their ships will be coming and have to spend a thousand plus years wondering if they’ll be friendly or if you at least have the faster ships and better weapons. Like the Cold War on steroids.
@@TheReaverOfDarkness I love that idea! I haven’t read enough science fiction that uses speed-of-light time delay as a means to dramatic irony/suspense.
I'm thinking about a story that takes the time delay as major factor. The story basically ends with the aliens arriving on Earth. But the entire arc is about time-delayed communication, then building a construct to make that a little bit quicker. They never bothered flying thorugh the galaxy, because they wouldn't want to go somewhere and end up finding nobody.
"When the universe was forged in the crucible of the Big Bang, our mighty race was already 17 years old." - Lord Nibbler
@@abhiprakash74999 Futurama
@@abhiprakash74999 It's something Leela's pet said in Futurama.
Something that bothers me about scifi ancient civilizations (precursor species/THE ANCIENTS) is that they never seem to have a beginning. Its like they just appeared one day with their super advanced tech and wisdom. I'd find it cool if the scifi ship finds an ancient library with books about the earliest days of the ancient species or find an ancient satellite like the ones we send out now that had escaped from its star system. I think it would be cool for the people who discover it to realize that at one point, the precursors were no different than them and one day they could reach such heights as them eventually.
There a light novel in royal road called "First Contact". You can see that precursor species there have history and beginning. There Humanity made allies on some precursor, but most part they are enemies especially there machines.
I wake up to Issac Arthur on my birthday? This is one of the best gifts I could get.
Happy Birthday David :)
@@isaacarthurSFIA Thank you :)
Happy birthday. Same day as my niece
"while proximiy helps, is more about the size of your telescope " - Isaac Arthur , 11th of June 2020
The size of your telescope doesn't matter, it's all about how you point it ;)
@@yoctometric noice
Yeah - I've gotta get a t-shirt that has a pic of a radio telescope, & says, "Size Matters." tavi.
Or how many you bring to the party ;)
Its not the size its the way you use it, well thats what mum says..
Isaac: I am so grateful that you tackled this. For several years; I have considered this the most-likely explanation. The universe is old... and it isn’t. For enough carbon to be available for complex life (or Si), things seem to just be getting started.
If memory serves, the universe is only about 13 times the age of Earth.
@@cptncutleg more like just 3 times. The Earth is about 4.5 billion years old. The universe is 13.8 billion
@@cortos_9733 observable* The universe could be way bigger and we would never know.
@@foty8679 We don't know exactly how large the universe is, but we do know how old it is. Firstly, we can figure it out using the cosmic microwave background radiation. Secondly, we can use the cosmological constant to determine how long it would take observable spacetime to collapse into a singularity. Because the universe expands at a constant rate everywhere, even if there is universe beyond what is observable to us, we can still calculate reverse expansion/collapse. Therefore, we know for a fact that our universe is approximately 13.8 billion years old.
It's the phosphorus you gotta worry about. See his other video
The idea that we are the Old Ones is kind of uplifting. The very real possibility that we are the only sentient life or one of the few in the Milky Way gives us a very special purpose. The struggles we've had, all the lessons learned, successes, failures, pain and suffering, and even the wars we've fought very well could be for the younger ones. The possibility that someday our histories could be studied and learned from by younger civilizations could be the answer to our particular "Why are we here?" is inspiring to me.
"There is no growing bubble of darkness to indicate an expanding first-born civilization"
*Looks at Bootes Void*
*excusemewhatwasthatyoujustsaid*
@@waytoohypernova bootes voide is a section of space that is relatively empty or is missing 90% of the observable matter found in other quadrants of space .
@@johnathannadeau3285 I would like to add that Bootes Void is consistent with models of the universe and is probably nothing to worry about...probably.
@@pyramear5414 And Dyson swarms would be very bright in the infrared unless all that waste heat is directionally disposed of.
Barnad 68 seems like a great place to hide a civilization tho.
The future of the universe is always more interesting than the past. We can already guess what the beginning looked like. I'm of the opinion though that there are end points where we zoom out and a big portrait can be displayed through its self-constructed genius. Now with time not being linear, it's possible to view this poster or at least parts of the poster in the early stage. Perhaps we are so early we can make out what the work is going to look like. Either way, zooming out you will see a cluster of life, but it's all guess and no science.
Stuff will keep colliding and eventually our universe will structure differently than just galaxies and empty void. All will conjoin into feasible organics and we will not even look like molecules under a scope.
It finally happened. I accidentally hit the dislike button. 😱 fortunately I realized in time and was able to switch it to a like. Seems (at the time of writing this) 18 other people also accidentally hit dislike but didnt notice. 😥
Thats ok Cody! Everyone makes mistakes. You, your parents, your parole officers 😜
What do you mean it FINALLY happened? What about those times you hit it and didn’t realise you did?
@@SuperYtc1 we call that a negligent dislike. What a jerk! Grab your pitchforks!
Google won't censor it unless it's about "The Administration"
Drink and snack acquired.
Dammit. I'm out of instant coffee.
Hello from your up above neighbor ⬆️🙋🏼♂️
Good news, I found the coffee. ☕️
I absolutely fucking love this RUclips channel… The only thing that bothers me is when he says to grab a snack I don’t know why, but for some strange reason I can’t stand the word snack..
Then grab your sack, ships’ about to launch
This was always my feeling. There might be others. But if they are on the opposite side of the universe, they may as well not exist. Assuming there is anything to begin with.
"Glory to the Firstborn!"
I really wish we are the firstborns. It makes us most special of them all.
I fight of Ire!
Mention who now?
D.Va!
TFW the Firstborn are a bunch of psychic frogs that obliterated the galaxies spirit realm in their war with a bunch of soulless robots and their star gods.
I thought it was psychic slugs*
oh no
Wow, I need to starting reading more French history, that sounds pretty cool. xD
Who doesn't love a good old fashioned war in heaven
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!
When you work from home, the only day of the week that matters is ArThursday
When you work from home it gets hard to remember what day it is. Luckily we have Isaac Arthur to remind us that it's Thursday.
Ro Jaws that’s why I’m watching on Friday 🤷🏽♀️ I can’t manage to consistently know the day
19:33 - What I love about this channel: "Even" a single star empire with a dyson beam and relativistic kill missiles.
"The humans lifted us up. We didn't go through the tribal stage. I wonder what the humans did in their tribal stage?"
*genocide intensifies*
As far as I'm concerned we're still in our tribal stage, we damn sure ain't a thriving global community yet
Tribal means so much more now. Trade is the easiest way to global enlightenment. If we could only stop turning away.......
@@silentwisdom7025 trade requires voluntary choices. It gets undercut when entities like china use slave labor to keep us cut down through destroying the mechanisms of the invisible hand of the free market by flooding supply and forcing legitimate labor out of viability. Money isn't the thing keeping people civil. Violence is. Money keeps people enslaved to the same master. Nukes is what kept the US and USSR restrained to proxy wars. Guns kept the wild west civil.
@@patrioticwhitemail9119 That's the most backwards thinking I have seen in a long time.
@@silentwisdom7025 trade didn't stop germany. Free trade didn't democratize china. Sanctions by Trump is what made china back down. Totalitarian governments are going to be horrible and there ain't s#$% you can do about it besides kick the can down the road and eventually end it in war.
Right now, some alien is watching Isaac say "We may very well be the first!" and laughing.
*"forst"
Why would they laugh at that? Even if we're not first, chances are we are one of the earliest Technological species in our region of space, so the alien will understand
@@tinamoul he's joking, but you're right.
What if that's the first signal they receive?
Giving them proof that THEY are not the first like they thought.
Jajaja
How do they understand english tho
I have been waiting for this video for a long time, because of all the solutions to the paradox this one has quite a bit of evidence to support it.
And is the least terrifying
@@circle7113 Or the most terryfying.
I need no channel youtube! Terrifying because we might send ourselves the way of the dodo, or terrifying because we may have to see a snot-nosed eight-armed alien default dance? Edit - spelling
@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 "Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying." Arthur Clarke.
@@circle7113 least? Lol. We might be the only existing life in galaxy and we're so fragile and dumb, that we are never sure that our civilization will exist in a next decade. Yeah, great precursors of all galactic civilizations:D This is one of the most terrifying scenarious, simply because we're not up to the responsibility needed for this challenge.
"Why is it us? Why us?"
"Because where here lad, and no one else."
Where?
Zulu
Sci fi Precursors “We have been watching you from a distance, guiding your development and protecting you from the dangers of the cosmos. Your development has progressed far enough that we can now welcome you to the galactic community.”
Human Precursors - “ha ha spaceship go BRRRRR.”
Human precursors: HEY FOLKS!! U want space travel?!
@@rommdan2716
"We'll bang, ok?"
-First words spoken by the Human diplomat 'Commander Sheperd' to the Tara'El
Human precursers: "Weeeeeee"
Human precursers after becoming a silent empire and seeding life across the entire cosmos, waiting millinia and going back to see how eveything is going, "Weeeeeeeee"
@@GodActio Hey, at least we are the fun uncle not a stuck up snob like most precursors in s-f.
- Hey boys and girls...wanna see my new star maker 2000? And this is my new space cruiser 50, and no, despite what Janet is saying I am not overcompensating for anything!
- Yay uncle is so cool!
- Hey uncle could you give us anti matter tech...
- You know you are a bit agressive young one, I really should not, but hey, do not be stupid with it, it sometimes tend to go well what can I say, not everyone can make it. How the rest of you are doing?
- We are fine, no one liked that dick.
@@JM-mh1pp want to make your own aliens give them a flat world then give them resources to build cool stuff and then watch them be cool
A wise being when asked: "Are there other civilizations?"
Being: "Yes"
Then why are we alone?
Being: "Because they are alone too..."
No.
@@jimmyshrimbe9361 Yes?
@@Ixions Yes.
Very true
"Touch everything EXCEPT Europa"
Instructions unclear, launching exploratory team to Europa now
We ARE dangerous monkeys aren’t we?
If you tell humans not to go to Europa, we will be going to Europa.
I'm writing a book based on this concept, this is the dose of scientific input I needed to flesh it out
Let us know of your progress !
Gl.
Plug it
how is your book coming along
@@demounit on hold for the moment, writers block.
28:29 “To be the first is both a great opportunity and a great burden. And as of now, it seems plausible that it is our opportunity and our burden.”
This is some advice that we as a species would do well to heed. If we are the first, as it appears to be, then we are obligated to set a good example for those who would come after us.
As I said in my comment:Of all the Fermi Paradox explanations, THIS is the most frightening! We have the potential to BLOW IT on a Cosmic Scale. We are the first even 0.5 (or 0.05) on the Kardeshev scale and we blow it by not surviving or not making it off the planet. This is scary.
@TheWeeaboo except we would likely remember the past and think that was us do we wait or do we say hello it won't hurt to say hello or just make it clear they aren't alone
The right side of history is the alive side of history. We're yet to reach a point where our existence is secure. Thanks, tiny hats
@Benedict Mannheim Who's to say it wouldn't hurt? Now I'm not referring to the misguided conception of star treks no contact views. But there are some legitimate points such as wether the contact causes some species to take hostile expansion view of the cosmos due to it requiring them to be eliminated before they mature enough. It's a stretch for sure but our basis for making such calls right now is from the view of the young species.
No need to set example if there is no one to set example for.
Knowing humanity, that may well be the "example" we set to all those come after us.
We're in a multiplayer game right now but no one else is here yet.
14:25 "In sci-fi we’re often seen as the descendants of such ancient critters, in one fashion or
another, but rarely does that fashion include saying our creation was from someone flushing their space toilet and dumping their septic tank on Early Earth.
Presumably because it is not a very dignified origin story."
Interestingly that's exactly how life was created on Earth as described in "At the Mountains of Madness" by H.P. Lovecraft.
but yet it's so much more validating for someone to come from completely nothing, only to make everything theirs.
No, it's not. In that story life on earth is intentionally crafted by the Elder Things, who lived there for a long time.
Interestingly that is a complete fabrication of your own mind and not true at all (and it also sounds nothing like Lovecraft, rather sounds like the hitchhiker).
Here is a quote from the fandom Lovecraft wiki: "More than a thousand million years ago, the Elder Things came to Earth. They created the Shoggoths and other artificial bio-forms which eventually evolved into Earthly vertabrates, including Humans. Over the next hundreds of millions of years, the Elder Things endured wars with the Flying Polyps, Mi-Go, their own Shoggoth creations, and Cthulhu and his Cthulhi, which each held some territory on Earth for a time. (HPL: At the Mountains of Madness, The Shadow Out of Time) "
I would love it if people could stop lying about just everything without any reason whatsoever.
What if life is so rare that it only happens once every billion universes
Then there will be no "second"
Now I have performance anxiety
I suppose a species which concluded they were probably it, and that intelligent life arising on its own in any area was so slim they were probably it and it alone, might feel way more need to do it right :)
@@isaacarthurSFIA I'm curious what you think of the ethics of intentional panspermia to mitigate against the possibility of life being forever wiped out in this situation - should we intentionally seed life to Europa as a 'second chance' for life in case we lose space travel capabilities?
@@sirgog yeah i agree and its a good idea
Elon musk often says that humans are valuable if there arnt aliens
@@isaacarthurSFIA love that train of thought but they may feel less need to do it right if there's no one else to judge you or even good naturedly compete against.
The Fermi Paradox episodes are the best episodes. It makes me think of the early days of the channel...
I was thinking about using this approach for a sci fi story with humans being the elder civilization, so this helped point out some issues and ideas that need considering
Also, Space police sounds both cool and a bit funny
Isaac is the best thing that had and could have happened, ever
It’s Space cops 👮♂️ if you’ve watched Southpark 😅😂
To be fair, I imagine if you timetraveled back a century or two and described the term "world police" to literally anyone back then, they'd think you're joking too. "Space police" seems like a bigger version of the same.
The Space Police probably wouldn't like me going to primitive worlds to convince the locals I'm a messenger of the gods, So they're no fun.
Halo used this in It’s story with the forerunners turning out to be human (I dont consider anything from 343 to be cannon)
Chicken and the Egg: In Spaaaaace
Surprise ending: it was the egg. Assuming you had a line drawn between what we would classify as a chicken, and what they evolved from, that would mean somewhen there was a not-quite-a-chicken which laid an egg with the first what-we-would-call-a-chicken, which was a chick, not a chicken. In an egg. Hence, the egg was first. In spaaaaaace.
Well, they'd be hard pressed to be somewhere else.
Ahhh, finally an episode about my favorite answer to the Fermi Paradox. As so many other explanations depend on assumptions with varying degrees of ridiculousness, this one is the only one so far that is 100% aligned with our current observations. Yes, it could still be wrong when applied to the whole universe, but in our bubble of 50lyr radius it's definitely correct.
There is not much viable exo planets with earth like habitability standarts let alone safe giants that protect from asteroids like jupiter and venus in first 50lightyear radius in the first place
Getting my firstborn in 2 months!
Congratulations!
F
Lol...Getting, Which store ?
Gg no re
@@nssherlock4547 Seeing as it's in two months (one month, now) and not the normal nine-ten, it's probably from a fast food store, so maybe Pizza Hut?
The first thing I thought of when I saw the title 'Firstborn' was the Arthur C. Clarke/Stephen Baxter novel by the same name. Hopefully those type of 'Firstborn' never notice us.
Years ago I thought up this solution independently, and I remember being disappointed when I inevitably learned someone else had thought of it first.
I wonder if humanity will likewise feel that same small disappointment should this solution ever be conclusively disproven...
Same here. Though we have to admit that it is one of the least popular solutions.
@@ravenknight4876 Personally, I consider it the most likely, especially when you consider how apparently exceedingly rare habitable (by life like us at least) space is.
There's something of a Goldilocks Paradox when it comes to regions of the galaxy that can form habitable planets. On the one hand, you want enough stellar density that you have lots of heavy elements, but not so much that planetary surfaces are blasted with massive amounts of stellar radiation. The problem is, it looks like those two exclusion zones (not enough heavy elements and too much stellar radiation) overlap. We think our system first formed in a denser region, and then drifted out, allowing lots of heavier elements in a region that's not too dense.
This happened because we're in a spiral galaxy, where the arms are actually compression waves passing through the 'sea' of stars. That means the stars themselves don't move with the arms as the arms move. The stars just space out more as the arm leaves and crunch together more as the arm arrives.
This then also means that, of the 4 known types of galaxies, only 1 (and the second rarest at that) could even hypothetically have small regions that could hold Earth-like planets.
Suddenly the vast expanses of the cosmos is.... not so fertile.
@@colinsmith1495 - You don't need abundant heavy elements for life to exist though. And you don't need it for intelligent life to exist. You only need such things for industrializing and gaining the means to get to space. There could be intelligent life in places without such materials (where iron is as rare as gold is here on Earth). And so they are doomed to a preindustrial civilization and they will never master radio communications and space travel - and thus we don't see them.
@@colinsmith1495 does this theory have a name? I'd like to better explore the idea
@@alexandernorman5337 I suspect that you and I are talking about different 'heavy elements'. I'm talking about anything heavier than helium, i.e. byproducts of stellar fusion and supernovae. While life from almost entirely hydrogen and helium has been theorized, I don't count it as terribly likely.
Let's just hope the first born isn't the BORG
if that is the case, then any resistance to this fact is futile! Lol
We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own.
Firstborg civilization....
@@setlerking All your base are belong to us
@@fuknrowdy someone set us up the bomb!
I've always assumed that us humans are the first in the galaxy and that we will see the rest of it.
It's possible. But then again Milky Way is almost as old as the universe. And this still doesn't explain the other galaxies.
Piss off, we know you’re hiding those aliens from us.
That’s a very human stance to take
i always love the concept of far-flung future scenario where the relics of ancient civilization once known as human, scattered across the galaxy for others to discovered
@@BioSoundTrack Look into All Tomorrows if you haven't already. Alt-Shift-X did a great summary of it and Beware the Qu did a pretty good audio book. Both here on YT.
what if whe are too early for any radio message too have reached us, but we aren't the first, but one of them
It's unlikely that the universe would stay empty for billions of years and then 2 independent civilizations emerge within a few million years in the same galaxy or galaxy cluster
Isaac has talked about this before. This is not likely due to the age of the universe. Sure, radio signals travel slowly, but they've had billions and billions of years to get here. The chance that life emerges in 2 places at roughly the same time, on such a huge time scale, is miniscule.
You should see them from telescopes.
blahthebiste - It’s not really that unlikley. Our planet was once space debri, after billions of years gravity pulled everything together and formed what we see today. Billions of years after that, the planets eventually cooled down and stabilized. Our planet saw life as soon as it was essentially possible. The entire universe is likely on a somewhat similar timeframe plus or minus maybe a couple billion years. Which could potentionally mean there are lots of advanced civilizations out there, we just can’t see them yet. Even if they were 500 million years more advanced then us, we would have no idea they exist if they are further away than 500 million LY. For all we know, they discovered our lush planet 499.99 million years ago and immediately launched a swarm of light speed bowling balls at us.
@@user-yq6ov6ow7l not for universe as a whole, no. However for the galaxy itself, it is unlikely.
This is my preferred non-supernatural answer to the Fermi Paradox.
have you seen the Phosphorus Problem? thats mine.
David Brin wrote a series "Startide Rising" It involved Aliens who had all been raised from semi intelligence to full space faring species by a previous race, all the way back to the First Race, that had long since disappeared, with a promise to one day return. Good series if you like space opera and conflict on a multi-galactic scale.
*I don't think I've heard anybody float this, but it might be fun to think about anyways. Something like 95% of the universe is supposed to be dark matter/dark energy right? And we can't actually see or interact with dark matter to my knowledge. So what if the answer to the Fermi Paradox was that Humanity is simply one of the only sentient species to be made of matter, and the vast majority are instead comprised of dark matter? In this way, we may be truly surrounded by other civilizations that we may simply never be able to know about or interact with.*
Sure but still there is more than enough regular matter that statistically there should be life we could recognize.
Lovecraft's Ancient Ones may be made of Dark Matter.
@Taiwanlight Inspiration for the wormhole aliens of Deep Space 9 fame, as posited by the physicist Leonard Mlodinow.
@Greg Lloyd with how little we truly know about dark matter its possible
schlock mercenary
I love the use of "critters" its so whimsical -- extra points dude!
Or we could even have a number or nearly simultaneous "firstborn", but if they are all are at around the same state of development, the vast distances makes it impossible to detect each other.
Drawing circles around a certain movie franchise without even referencing it once. I actually liked this attitude:
- mention it,
- come on, say it once,
- he said engineers, it's coming,
- ?
- wa!
IA: "NEVER!"
Everyone: Warhammer 40K. Me, an intellectual: Warhammer forty thousand
_Warfare Mallet Fourty Grand_
Me, an Administratum clerk: Warhammer 000.M39
Large metal object intended for combat using blunt force 4x10^4
Conflict Cudgel 40th Millennium AD
Barney Thwacker 0.004M
"Sometimes the very young do not do as they're told" Nox. Lol
So many anti-humanity coments in this video...
Come on guys, I know that all those "humanity sucks" statements sound deep and badass in movies and such, but in reality they are just realy inacurate.
Yeah it's unfortunate and ironic, since they're negative attitude is contributing to the problem they're complaining about.
This annoys me to no end
Decades of misguided environmentalism and “social critique” have made misanthropy fashionable. I believe this was deliberate. If you hate your fellow man, you’ll hate other people’s freedom and want for totalitarianism. Same reasons religions have original sin: we’re deeply flawed, so we must defer to a “higher power”, conveniently only accessible via human middle-men. We should all be on team Human.
Couldnt agree more. Too many academics these days seem to hate humans.
I agree with you. We're flawed creatures but we are also capable of seeing our own flaws, learn from them and become better. That is part of what makes humans awesome. We have no guide to whatever this thing is that we call existence. We just have to figure it out together in the time we have left in our lifetimes. We're conflicted in nature and (most of the time) make an effort to do the right things. Considering all that I think we're not doing bad at all. Is there room for improvement? Yeah, plenty. So we should continue to improve both as individuals and a species, and stay freakin awesome. Go humans!
I find this premise to be a more appealing twist on "Humans are the Aliens." Being "ancestral aliens" or "alien ancestors" in itself has that appeal, regardless of our flaws.
I am thinking my early limiters on life->intelligence starts with the flux of cosmic rays...I am assuming that early universe was nasty with the destructive brilliance of many early and huge stars and their respective events, and it will calm down over time, especially as the light from the young universe disappears beyond the horizon. And then there is the local GRB shooting gallery problem, we are the lucky duck so far.
The next would be star spin/size; the smaller the stars are the less shielding, the more spin, the more flares they generate. So a good sign of an intelligent civilization, would be a statistically large number of slow spinning stars...so far not good Sol's spin is very rare afaict.
Thirdly, a stable planetary orbit, precession, and wobble etc, for a reasonably consistent amount of light and heat, at least keeping the world in the habitable zone. An active stable magnetosphere for coping with flares and cosmic radiation...apparently Earth's is not geo-historically perfectly stable, and this may account for the long periods of simple life forms; the Moon seems to be a rare double planet phenomenon, as is an inner system relatively clear of destablizing giant planets.
I suspect we are among the earliest of species even capable of going the distance...still gotta keep the fingers crossed too.
I think you have it mostly.
I would disagree with, " the Moon seems to be a rare double planet phenomenon, as is an inner system relatively clear of destabilizing giant planets." I do not think our extra Solar planet detection is nearly good enough to make that assessment. Especially concerning how rare the Moon is. Being able to see even earth sized planets in distant systems isn't really in the current tech, much less if that planet would have a moon. If you just look at our four inner planets the chance of a significantly sized moon is 25%.
@@lejibus fair critique...I would add LAWKI needs continental drift, and we know next to nothing about this in any kind of exoplanet.
I've always disliked the idea of aliens coming around and razing random planets from time to time, as the LIFE on those planets does one thing really really well... it keeps the chemistry of life on the surface of the planet. Granted your K2 species are likely capable of just creating all the phosphorus they'd ever need. But I could imagine a scenario where a planet is just culled from time to time of a good amount of its life just to get some of those chemicals.
Wow, I acquired alot of knowledge by watching this! God bless, everyone who's in quarantine.
Another amazing episode, thank you! I always figured that the most plausible Fermi solution is that we are the first intelligent life with in at least this, or the next closest galaxy.
No matter how many time I listen to this channel, I always feel smarter afterwards. Inspiring to make the best out of life. To be uplifted towards the stars. Isaac, you are a true treasure in this world, in this lifetime and in future lives. Keep doing everything that you are doing!
So there's no civilization to call us NEWBORN? xD
yes, but we get to call every single other civilization "newborn".
But they will call us boomers.
Ro Jaws we'll get used to it.
@@rojaws1183 They may call us that once...but certainly not twice.
- Jim what happened to star buster 3000?
- No idea Tim... probably lost in transit, you know how it is, a star here or there...who counts those right?
@@rojaws1183 big boomers
"Dumping their septic tank on an early Earth" that's probably exactly what happened. It makes more sense than other origins of life.
Then where do you think that life came from?
"And because in all the Galaxy, they had found nothing more precious than Mind, they encouraged its dawning everywhere.
They became farmers in fields of stars; they sowed, and sometimes they reaped.
And sometimes, dispassionately, they had to weed."
who would've thought that Arthur C. Clarke wrote about us...
We are the cosmic horrors that come from the early days of the universe. Just remember, WWCD "What would Cthulhu do?"
North Carolina? Well ok
Thank You, You just gave the best reason for why we have such large brains I have ever heard. And I've read a lot of them over the last 50 years.
That's the one. We are first born.
It took life on this planet roughly four billion years to go from simple bacteria to a radio wave producing civilization, and that happened by chance. The universe is 13.8 billion years old, we may very well be the first in our galaxy, or even our galaxy cluster.
This is my preferred Fermi paradox solution. It passes the ‘smell test’ for me.
It seems literally cosmically unlikely that life is just rare, and given the time scale of the universe we became intelligent remarkably early. Life stayed single celled on earth for the majority of the history of earth life.
just wait 'til we become cyborgs lol
I look forward to dunking on all the future intelligent civilisations out there.
We'd make great galactic overlords, maybe I'm just bias.
18thborn comment! Im so early, it seems i have some youtube-comments equivalent of Fermi paradox - if the internet is full of users, and lots of them use youtube, then where are all the comments?!
Fantastic. Somehow I haven't listened to Isaac in two or three years. Just got back to outlining my sci fi novel and am bingeing the fermi series again. He just goes into so much more depth than many on the internet--yet keeps it very accessible. Lovely stuff!
Anyone here knows about the show, Terra Formars. In that story, humanity terraforms Mars by releasing moss and cockroaches. Apparently, Mars will start to warm up and absorb the sunlight because the surface is covered in dark colors. Cockroaches will eat the moss, expand their living area and the carcasses will make the moss grow in even thicker.
500 years later, Mars now has a stable atmosphere, large bodies of water (More like large lakes than seas) and moss as the only plant life. There's also the now Humanoid Cockroaches, but excluding that, would this method work in our world?
Here's a thought, early civilizations nuked each other to death over who was the first civilization and that's why we haven't found any alien life
I'm not a simple man. I see Issac Arthur, I click.
I'm very happy to see that Professor Barry Krimpke was able to parlay his role on Big Bang into a voice over narrator career. Best to Prof. Krimpke; I always thought you were smarter than Sheldon ! thumbs up
Let's get to work.. we need to build all those abandoned million years old FTL relays, weird ruins on planets and mysterious artifacts on the moons, for other civilizations to find later and ponder about.
I just need to see some alien Jerry springer drama. (We found intelligent life, but its cheating on it's a wife with it's cousin!)
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What if so called tech singularity always accelerate species so much, that "colonizing" universe by ships is just something they dont need to do? Like at certain point using wood from trees just isnt something anybody do?
@NightReaper775 They need Dyson sphere to power up very poverful computer. And if there is possible FTL-technology, they would expand and utilize all energy and matter to more computers.
@@qwertyuioppoiuytrewq4591 But we don't know all possible sources of power.
"Oh wise and ancient humans, give us your wisdom!"
"Hu hu! Flint rock go *crack*"
Yeah, then we can explain thermodynamics, calculus and quantum mechanics to them. :P
@@someguy3766 gotta start somewhere once we start uplifting
"Witness the ancient records, the most ancient of wisemen from the sky people humans." RUclips video plays, "Floor Gang Hoooh!" The tribe shouts "Floor gang hoooh!" And bangs on tambourines
Might be kinda an odd compliment but I love listening to these while working on art. The length and lack of ads makes them great and I like your voice. Keep it up dude!
No one will know why this has so many likes.
But then we inevitably die and leave mcguffins among the stars. I don’t wanna be a plot piece!
Then we will be pretty shitty precursors, considering our love for self-destruction other funny things
We are the sky people.
I think of how aliens would never know what we look like on first encounter due to the fact of spacesuits and more scary the mirror helmet that makes us look like nofaces. Nothing more unsettling then seeing something that should have something, without it.
Like in halo universe.
It would be fascinating, constantly moving to galaxy to galaxy seeding them life.
The idea of an expanding civilization's outer wave of colonization being (relatively) technologically backwater doesn't actually seem very plausible. Since as gone over in other episodes there's going to be some limit to technologic advancement. So unless a civilization enforces a ban on AI it starts to seem difficult for a technological disparity to stick around for long.
Since AI on scales like a Jupiter brain should be able to do subjective billions of years of scientific theorizing, simulating and thinking in very little actual time. Similarly colonization ships could house some extremely large AI to run during voyages advancing tech.
So it would seem like an expanding civilization would tend to plateau before very significant inter-stellar expansion, simply because for a partly digital civiization time in which to make advancements can be practically produced on demand (and people have incentives to stay on the cutting edge).
Really the only plausible scenario where a tech disparity seems feasible is if research starts generating massively diminishing returns. Such that at a certain point only conscious stellar objects and megastructure sized scientific interments allow any progress to be made. Though even in this case you must also assume that the tech requiring Jupiter brains to develop isn't providing very diminishing returns so that the front colonization wave doesn't quickly (in astronomical terms) end up with a "good enough" tech level that stays like 90% as good as the inner systems.
Idea is based of fact that largest reach would have technology designed earliest. But if you ask my, idea of colonization itself is already backwarded. Because we can get everything relatively easily in space and there is actually lot what hurt development of civilization with distance. I personally think they most likely would not expand outside own homeworld or if they move, they current residence. Though they probably would send Van Neuman probes to at least catalog whole space around them.
@@TheRezro That is assuming humanity were to attempt to remain as one unified civilisation, which I find very unlikely. Today we have around 200 sovereign nations which exist because humans like doing things differently. Different language, different religion, different laws, different government etc. Some people are happier living lives that people in more advanced nations see as backwards. I imagine plenty of humans will want to colonise other worlds far away from Earth simply to build something of their own where they can live their lives differently, even if their new homes are less advanced than their old one, which I do not think is even a foregone conclusion.
Hell, one of the reasons they might leave Earth is due to the planet stagnating under an oppressive regime which prevents scientific progress. I certainly do not think humans would decide to stay on Earth just to keep humanity united under one civilisation; that is not what humans have done historically on this planet (e.g. colonists leaving Europe to build new nations in the Americas). Humans will go wherever they feel they can live the kind of life they want.
Humanity could very well end up playing spore on a galactic scale, seed intelligence across space and time. Awesome !
When the video mentions a war between Kardeshev 3 civilizations, my mind went to the Lensmen series, when the Eich attempted to attack Arisia... And get told
"We are a civilization as much older than you as we are more capable. A ratio of millions to one!"
I was the seventh to like this video. Seven is my favourite number. This channel is without doubt my favourite.
I like turtles
I was the seventh to like your comment
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Hi. Sixth! Oh we have, we dismissed a 'rock' *that changed both speed and trajectory without any outside actor acting upon it* as just a rock.
I'm genuinely asking what you are talking about, when did this happen?
It wasn't travel fast enough to be an alien craft. It also change trajectory because the sun cause outgassing from the heat
Been binge watching all these videos. Its nice to hear what most people drag out into boring lectures in a more concise and entertaining form.
Given how in a few short hundred years since Newton we've figured out so much about our universe, it's not a stretch to surmise that given a few more short hundred years, we'd be able to figure out how to reach other/better/friendlier universes, and finally find the other alien civilizations waiting for us there, and thus the solution to the Fermi Paradox.
Not necessarily, we might have just solved most of the big but simple problems and we just have a few complex ones that require massive processing or really good microscopes to solve or somesuch
14:30 Ah yes. The scat fetishist's favorite Earth origin: space toilets.
_"...and then He made Man on his image from the dirt of the Earth..."_
-> "his image" , "dirt" ( it was all a cleverly disguised shit joke )
@@adolfodef It's not a shit joke, it's a good joke. xD
Humans in an alien youtube video: first
"....holy heck, little green critters!..." That sir, was hilarious!
Personally, my opinion is that we as a race are likely to be one of the first, if not THE first, races to achieve enough intelligence to consider the idea of expanding past our home planet.
This mostly comes from something I had heard once, don't remember where, but someone had once said this to explain the universe's age. (Please note, I don't remember the quote fully, so I'll probably get some things wrong.)
"If we where to take all of time, from the big bang to right now, and put it all in one year, then the dawn of humanity would be on December 31st, at 11PM. But, if we took all of time from the big bang, to the heat death of the universe, then right now would be January 1st, at 3AM."
I don’t know, ever since I’ve been into astronomy 🔭 I’ve seen some strange things in the sky. I know how to identify satellites 🛰 and the ISS and the velocity at which the cross the sky. BTW I love your channel and never put on CC, you speak very clearly.
so, you saw something in the sky and didn't know what it is and jumped to conclusion that it probably some aliens from space which traveled light years and now spy on us?
Another brilliant episode
For me it's the theoretical collision pre-earth had with a twin planet. This made "Earth" a statistically astronomically rare planet. Combine the odds of Goldie Locks Zone, with the double core, stable moon, and planetary scale molten state late in planetary formation when water is present to cool the surface before the core can and the odds get LOOOONG indeed. The collisions probabilities of angle, chemical composition, speed, relative size, etc reach into the impossible range even on galactic sample sizes. It would be like dropping a coin from a plane at 10,000 feet and having it land on a particular park table....on edge. Possible, but highly improbable. Maybe 99.9999999% of planets in our orbital zone are like Mars/Venus, and we are just a freak occurrence.
I just want to let you know, aside from your videos being really good, and the video is just absolute heaven for someone like me who thrives on all things space, the thumbnail for this video looks like an absolute mad awesome album that I would listen to regardless of genre.
That would make us Gods in the Universe, and to think my teachers said I wouldn’t amount to anything, in yr face teachers 😀
If anyone ever asks if you're the Firstborn species, you say, "Yes!"
This chick is toast!
If we were first interstellar civilization in the universe, we have responsibility towards intelligent lifes. That is great ethic of the humanity.
@Robbi Rose Fanatical Purifier Intensifies.
This should be interesting
Indeed it is interesting..
Thanks for being in the military for us I’m gonna be going space force soon
Thanks. I tend to lean somewhat towards the Rare Earth hypothesis, myself. Speaking of the Fermi Paradox, I've been watching some videos from various channels lately, that I just found (like Rebel Wisdom, among others.) There's a lot of talk out there about certain current societal ills (which I won't belabor.) But I wanted to mention one thing to you. I've commented a number of times on these other channels, but something I mentioned there pertains here (I think.) It seems to me that many people feel that a lot of the systems & institutions of society are highly dysfunctional. Folks are getting tired of the same old political empty promises, rich people prospering off the poor & middle classes, racial strife, etc. What's different, is that people seem - because of a recent confluence of events - to really be aggravated. Now, there's much talk of a turning point in civilization, of opportunities for change, etc. In short, things seem to be coming to a crux of sorts - a nexus point. I agree. It seems to me (as I've commented there) that we may be heading toward our own version of a Great Filter. It's entirely within the realm of the possible that things could go very, very wrong. How we handle the next few years may well decide if we make it out into the stars in the next 1,000 years. I'm one of those who has great hope for humanity, which is often tempered by great fear & sadness. We may have the opportunity to become the first species to make it past a Great Filter, in this Galaxy. No pressure! Thoughts? tavi.
Let's build an alien. Might be easier than finding one.
I still believe in the dark forest theory
Let's make earth bigger and build more guns then.
@@JustAgreekPassing yep
It's attractive because it seems so simple on paper but Isaac poked many many holes in it before. It's not a very logical theory