just wanted to say i ordered fromu guys for first time last week and im so mad i havent found you sooner , 15 yrs flying and i finally find a great group of guys with amazing products , thank u
@@BuddyRCAwesome guys thanks again , question for the charger , if i want to bring t to the feild , what size inverter can i get aways with if im charging 2- 4s 3300mah at 2c ? thanks
I got a x6 and wished I waited for the x8 as I use it for charging 24v power systems (7s-8s). What I would really want is a x16 to charge up to 48v systems.
The X12 is pretty nifty. I just got mine for charging a 12S LiFePO4 1 kWh pack for my ebike, it will actually run at 1100W output without getting hot. Unfortunately, mine tends to 'glitch' a bit--sometime when I check internal resistance, or disconnect the battery from the charger, the screen goes all black and I have to turn off the power supply and turn it back on. The charger still works when the screen is black--I can use the 3-way input rocker switch and it beeps, but no screen. So, a bit weird, but it's a real 1100W charger with a 2A per channel balance circuit! Its not cheap, so I hope mine doesn't bite the dust...
@@TwstedTproductions I bought mine from AliExpress, a 1200W power supply that produces 36V DC and runs off the 120V AC wall outlet. Good as any. I think it was 150 bucks (Canadian) or so. When buying/building a power supply, it's a good idea to use one that's rated at least a bit more power than the max required by the application. So, a 1200W power supply for an 1100W charger is good.
Well 12S is an improvement but one still need two chargers for a typical 50 Volt Nominal 16S LiFePO4 battery (not to mention having to install a break/connector pair in the middle of the series).
If you have two chargers running off separate (isolated) power supplies, you don't have to have a break connector in the middle of the pack. If you're running both chargers off a single power supply, you must separate the pack and charge each one separately with its own charger, then re-connect after.
I was kind of disappointed to see that the charger doesn't come with a balance board containing various sockets to plug in the balance connectors from the batteries. Also, there is only one output cable so it's going to be necessary to buy more accessories or start making your own.
What is the own consumption for x6 and x12 when idle (not when charging/discharging)? Do these charges take energy from the OUT during idle time and how much?
The X12 is rated to 53v input voltage. I'm not sure what you're asking. What are you trying to do? Are you trying to charge a 10v battery at 15 amps? I'm sorry I'm not understanding.
I have a X8 charger and dont have any overheatnig problems at full internal discharge power -50w yes it little hot aroumd 63~ celcius on the screen but i never see any overheat error, i have also another charger isdt q8 max but it has too loud fan 3 times louder than X8 so i think the x12 have the same fan as X8 but bigger radiator it probadly have lower temps , but for me there is no point to buy x12.
@@automoto95 I have an X12 and it too runs at about 61-62 degrees C when balancing my huge 1 kWh 12S LiFePO4 pack. When discharging at 50W it goes up to about 55C.
Hoping someone see's this. Having major issues with my X-12 charger I just purchased. I have a 12s 20000 mah capable of 1c charging or 20A. This charger throws an "internal control error" for any charging over 3a.. My power supply is a 12.5v 1000w 83A ac-dc converter. I dont understand what I am doing wrong, I have even tried searching for a software update to no avail. The screen also goes black when charging is started. Then turns back on once I stop the charging sequence. Any help or guidance on what to try next would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for watching! Your power supply is not enough to charge above 3a. Your current setup in a perfect world it would charge up to 8amps. To charge that battery you will need 27v 1300watt power supply at least. To get the full performance from that charger you will need a 36v 1300watt power supply. Normally a power supply has a inefficiency of about 80-90% so over estimate how many watts you want. Hope this helps 🤘
@BuddyRC Unfortunately, I tried that as well, I purchased a 1200 36v @33amp power supply and netted the same results, I think it's Just a faulty charger.
I purchased an icharger x12 thru buddy RC and have a repair I need done. I have been trying to get in touch for a solid month sending emails calling the shop with no response. I am very disappointed in this response. Personally I will not use buddy moving forward with this kind of response.
@@BuddyRC 1-614-808-4488 support@buddyrc.com the phone is either busy or rings continuous with out an answer i got no response from the email sending multiple times.
Ya ... BABY 12S setup ... Even my KDS7.2 runs a 14S 5000 MAH setup WE NEED A 16S PowerLab16 or a I-Charger X16 right now I run 2 PowerLab 8's 2nd gen's for my Li-Ion 15s witch is 160P 15s ... So even at 40amps it takes just a long time! we need a changer that will do 60 to 80 amps MIN on a 16s setup.... remember there is Life04 @ 3.2 std or Li-Po/Li-Ion at 3.7 std so we need a 16s changer that can do 4.2 volts per cell @ 16s !!!!! There are some High Voltage ( panasonic-sanyo cells that run to 4.35 volt per cell !!! .15 volts doesnt sound like much but in a 16s setup its make or break
You'll need to connect the positive power terminal (high-current power lead, not balance) of one pack to the negative power terminal of the other pack, now the positive balance lead of one pack is internally connected to the negative balance lead of the other one. The positive balance lead of the first 6S pack will be the SAME balance connection to the charger as the Negative balance lead of the second 6S pack. Make a balance adapter with two 7-pin sockets for the 6S packs with the positive balance lead of the first pack connected to the negative balance lead of the second one, with both of those wires going to the 7th balance terminal (up from pack negative, which is the 1st terminal) of a 12S (13-pin) balance plug for the charger, and you're ready to rock 'n roll.
It can charge 12S packs, has 2A max balance current, and is really, really tiny! It only has one charging channel, the 4010 Duo has two. But, the X12 is a fair chunk less expensive, and will still charge at up to 30A on its single channel and is good for up to 1100 Watts (and runs quite cool even at that power level.) So, even though it's good for 30A, the X12 won't charge 12S packs at 30A because the power is too high. It will go up to nearly 22A on a 12S lipo though, because at 4.2V per cell on lipo the max charging voltage is 50.4 volts--there's your 1100W at 21.8A.
Not yet, you need two 8S chargers for 16S packs... Or, a 12S charger and a 4+S one, plus a suitable balancing cable which you'll probably have to homebrew. Not a big deal though if you really want to do it. Unfortunately, Duo chargers will not charge single packs using both channels in series, because it causes an internal short circuit--common ground plane used for both charging channels, shorting the positive output of one channel to the negative which is used for both. In other words, the two channels on dual chargers are not electrically isolated, so you have to split the pack completely into two, including both the power and balance leads.
Power electronics has gotten really miniaturized over the last half a century. :) Heat output is still an issue though, but the X12 is pretty decently cooled.
Buddy RC, A company that touts customer service you have none a little follow thru would be nice. I'm trying to return a I charger x12 supposedly I need a link to return this for an exchange. That has been left out of our emailing correspondence. How convenient maybe you can disable the comments here as well, for your ego.
just wanted to say i ordered fromu guys for first time last week and im so mad i havent found you sooner , 15 yrs flying and i finally find a great group of guys with amazing products , thank u
Thanks Brian. Truly appreciate that man! We will always be here when you need us
@@BuddyRCAwesome guys thanks again , question for the charger , if i want to bring t to the feild , what size inverter can i get aways with if im charging 2- 4s 3300mah at 2c ? thanks
Progressive RC has world class customer service
They're just an iCharger distributor like we are ;) East coast (us) vs West coast (them) iCharger is made by Junsi
@@BuddyRC thank you for that information. I thought they manufactured them. My apologies
@@az_pit_viper4270 No worries. It's a common mistake that happens quite often.
I got a x6 and wished I waited for the x8 as I use it for charging 24v power systems (7s-8s). What I would really want is a x16 to charge up to 48v systems.
The X12 is pretty nifty. I just got mine for charging a 12S LiFePO4 1 kWh pack for my ebike, it will actually run at 1100W output without getting hot.
Unfortunately, mine tends to 'glitch' a bit--sometime when I check internal resistance, or disconnect the battery from the charger, the screen goes all black and I have to turn off the power supply and turn it back on.
The charger still works when the screen is black--I can use the 3-way input rocker switch and it beeps, but no screen.
So, a bit weird, but it's a real 1100W charger with a 2A per channel balance circuit! Its not cheap, so I hope mine doesn't bite the dust...
@Danang Alta I'm using a 36V 1.2kW power supply.
Did you make the power supply or purchase it?
@@TwstedTproductions I bought mine from AliExpress, a 1200W power supply that produces 36V DC and runs off the 120V AC wall outlet. Good as any. I think it was 150 bucks (Canadian) or so.
When buying/building a power supply, it's a good idea to use one that's rated at least a bit more power than the max required by the application. So, a 1200W power supply for an 1100W charger is good.
Well 12S is an improvement but one still need two chargers for a typical 50 Volt Nominal 16S LiFePO4 battery (not to mention having to install a break/connector pair in the middle of the series).
If you have two chargers running off separate (isolated) power supplies, you don't have to have a break connector in the middle of the pack.
If you're running both chargers off a single power supply, you must separate the pack and charge each one separately with its own charger, then re-connect after.
What reccomended PSU voltage for charging 12S lipos? 24/36 or 48 volt for maximum charger reliability and lifetime? Thanks
I was kind of disappointed to see that the charger doesn't come with a balance board containing various sockets to plug in the balance connectors from the batteries. Also, there is only one output cable so it's going to be necessary to buy more accessories or start making your own.
We have all the accessories needed on our site
10:38 no? what happens when you try drawing 800 watts from a 500 watt supply?
Can I use this to monitor an 80ah yinlong LTO 6s2p bank? I would like to monitor all 12 individual cell voltages and internal resistance?
Can i use 2 of them conected to one battery as powersuply?
Can this Charger be used to charge and balance 7S and 10S lithium packs ?
Yes
What is the own consumption for x6 and x12 when idle (not when charging/discharging)?
Do these charges take energy from the OUT during idle time and how much?
Your link to the charger is Fed
I fixed it
Great video, as always. Can I feed it with 30v 5a and get the output of 10v 15 a ? Ie raise amperage on behalf of lowering voltage ?
TIA
The X12 is rated to 53v input voltage. I'm not sure what you're asking. What are you trying to do? Are you trying to charge a 10v battery at 15 amps? I'm sorry I'm not understanding.
You sure it comes with the external temperature sensor? I didn't get one
How much bigger is the DX12 over the DX8
Thanks for watching! They are about the same size probably like 10% bigger, hope this helps.
Any way to have this automatically charge? Or is there a charger that will do that?
Thanks for watching! No there is no way to set up auto charging on the IChargers.
Anyone know how external temperature sensor can be used? 18b20, LM35,...?
Important question - what's with the working temperature? It's a very critical problem for x8.
I have a X8 charger and dont have any overheatnig problems at full internal discharge power -50w yes it little hot aroumd 63~ celcius on the screen but i never see any overheat error, i have also another charger isdt q8 max but it has too loud fan 3 times louder than X8 so i think the x12 have the same fan as X8 but bigger radiator it probadly have lower temps , but for me there is no point to buy x12.
@@automoto95 I have an X12 and it too runs at about 61-62 degrees C when balancing my huge 1 kWh 12S LiFePO4 pack.
When discharging at 50W it goes up to about 55C.
Hoping someone see's this. Having major issues with my X-12 charger I just purchased. I have a 12s 20000 mah capable of 1c charging or 20A. This charger throws an "internal control error" for any charging over 3a.. My power supply is a 12.5v 1000w 83A ac-dc converter. I dont understand what I am doing wrong, I have even tried searching for a software update to no avail. The screen also goes black when charging is started. Then turns back on once I stop the charging sequence. Any help or guidance on what to try next would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for watching! Your power supply is not enough to charge above 3a. Your current setup in a perfect world it would charge up to 8amps. To charge that battery you will need 27v 1300watt power supply at least. To get the full performance from that charger you will need a 36v 1300watt power supply. Normally a power supply has a inefficiency of about 80-90% so over estimate how many watts you want. Hope this helps 🤘
@BuddyRC Unfortunately, I tried that as well, I purchased a 1200 36v @33amp power supply and netted the same results, I think it's Just a faulty charger.
Do y’all do 14s chargers by any chance ??
we don't
I purchased an icharger x12 thru buddy RC and have a repair I need done. I have been trying to get in touch for a solid month sending emails calling the shop with no response. I am very disappointed in this response. Personally I will not use buddy moving forward with this kind of response.
First question is what email address and phone number are you using?
@@BuddyRC 1-614-808-4488 support@buddyrc.com the phone is either busy or rings continuous with out an answer i got no response from the email sending multiple times.
Get rid of the scroll wheel and make it a touch screen or buttons and maybe I'll buy one.
Touch screens suck. Neat marketing ploy, but... Sorry, they just suck 💩
Is there even a use case for a 12s lipo? Thats a hell of a lot of dc voltage!
Haha yeah! From my experience mostly industrial and big hobby rc stuff
Probably good for ebike packs :)
Ya ... BABY 12S setup ... Even my KDS7.2 runs a 14S 5000 MAH setup WE NEED A 16S PowerLab16 or a I-Charger X16 right now I run 2 PowerLab 8's 2nd gen's for my Li-Ion 15s witch is 160P 15s ... So even at 40amps it takes just a long time! we need a changer that will do 60 to 80 amps MIN on a 16s setup.... remember there is Life04 @ 3.2 std or Li-Po/Li-Ion at 3.7 std so we need a 16s changer that can do 4.2 volts per cell @ 16s !!!!! There are some High Voltage ( panasonic-sanyo cells that run to 4.35 volt per cell !!! .15 volts doesnt sound like much but in a 16s setup its make or break
I need a pair of these. When would they ship?
Reply I just got was "Should be here in around 10 days". They are going to verify tonight.
Does anybody know how to connect battery and other charger in monitor mode to iCharger?
Sorry don't understand the question
Does the balance port work if you plug two 6s balance leads into the balance port and charge the packs connected in series?
They wouldn't due to each balance port having a negative lead so you would have one too many negatives
You'll need to connect the positive power terminal (high-current power lead, not balance) of one pack to the negative power terminal of the other pack, now the positive balance lead of one pack is internally connected to the negative balance lead of the other one.
The positive balance lead of the first 6S pack will be the SAME balance connection to the charger as the Negative balance lead of the second 6S pack.
Make a balance adapter with two 7-pin sockets for the 6S packs with the positive balance lead of the first pack connected to the negative balance lead of the second one, with both of those wires going to the 7th balance terminal (up from pack negative, which is the 1st terminal) of a 12S (13-pin) balance plug for the charger, and you're ready to rock 'n roll.
What advantages does this have over an icharger 4010 duo?
Biggest ones are size and 12s capability.
It can charge 12S packs, has 2A max balance current, and is really, really tiny!
It only has one charging channel, the 4010 Duo has two. But, the X12 is a fair chunk less expensive, and will still charge at up to 30A on its single channel and is good for up to 1100 Watts (and runs quite cool even at that power level.)
So, even though it's good for 30A, the X12 won't charge 12S packs at 30A because the power is too high. It will go up to nearly 22A on a 12S lipo though, because at 4.2V per cell on lipo the max charging voltage is 50.4 volts--there's your 1100W at 21.8A.
hi is there a 15 or 16 s one?
Not yet, you need two 8S chargers for 16S packs... Or, a 12S charger and a 4+S one, plus a suitable balancing cable which you'll probably have to homebrew.
Not a big deal though if you really want to do it. Unfortunately, Duo chargers will not charge single packs using both channels in series, because it causes an internal short circuit--common ground plane used for both charging channels, shorting the positive output of one channel to the negative which is used for both. In other words, the two channels on dual chargers are not electrically isolated, so you have to split the pack completely into two, including both the power and balance leads.
14S and i am hook
12s would be good to balance out a ev battery.
I guess size & power don't depend on one another for existence.
Power electronics has gotten really miniaturized over the last half a century. :)
Heat output is still an issue though, but the X12 is pretty decently cooled.
@@devilsoffspring5519 Have a blessed one.
@@jamespharris2494 U 2 man, have fun
Buddy RC, A company that touts customer service you have none a little follow thru would be nice. I'm trying to return a I charger x12 supposedly I need a link to return this for an exchange. That has been left out of our emailing correspondence. How convenient maybe you can disable the comments here as well, for your ego.
Simply go to the bottom of any page on buddyrc.com and click where it says 'warranty and returns'.
www.buddyrc.com/pages/return-and-warranty