IVE 아이브 'Kitsch' (focus & solo screen-time ranking)
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- Which member of IVE has the most solo screen-time on their new MV for 'Kitsch'? Watch to find out!
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Ik it's not the title track but here is Liz's line evolution
Eleven: Main Vocalist
Love Dive: Lead Vocalist
After Like: Sub Vocalist
Kitsch: Backup Dancer
Lmao that's true
Poor Liz
love the devolution 😍 lets see how far starship can get
"Backup dancer" I'm dead💀😭
kitsch is not title track.
@@aminahbtenorimankpm-guru2952 read the 1st sentence....
liz having the least line, AND having the least screentimee???............ omgg this is too muchh;-;
That’s nice that Rei was 3rd screentime distribution and Gaeul was 4th. I just realized Liz barely got any solo screentime.She is in the beginning and then we just saw small glimpses of her in the group shots.
Gaeul was 5th
@@seyoung7181 5th is Gaeul , 4th is Leeseo like shown at 2:47
Wonyoung and Yujin taking over half of the chart.. starship obviously has some favorites
They are the two most popular in the group so I won't be surprised
@@0wlaeiogn4 bro its been a year and more since their debut, everyone is popular now.
This has been the case since the beginning of the group, and there has even been a boycott from fans because of this. They gave so much prominence to Wonyoung that they needed to revise the clothes, but they continue to make practically two members and the rest of the group, fortunately Rei is receiving a little attention and focus, while Liz, poor , is being adorned every more and more with each comeback.
@gra still doesn't make sense why they're having the most lines cuz if they're that popular why not go solo
@@huckchuck7846 line distribution
1 yujin (main vocal/lead vocal)
2GAEUL (lead rapper/main dancer)
3 wonyoung (center)
4 rei (main rapper)
You wanna know something interesting? Wonyoung and Yujin were able to get solo focus for an entire line, meanwhile, Liz couldn’t even get the solo focus for her ONE line. The other members had some lines where they couldn’t keep the solo focus too.
Yujin is one of my ults, but this is too far starship.
Rei:?
Hopefully Liz gets more lines in the other 10ish songs
actually 5 sadly. 6 songs in the album are their recent releases (afterlike,love dive, eleven, + and their bsides)
@@silvrblvshreally???
@@silvrblvsh I’m talking about the comeback :’)
@@silvrblvsh no the 6 songs arent in the new album base on the spoiler by wonyoungg
@@silvrblvsh not true actually, it's
blue blood
I AM
Lips
Kitsch
Heroine
Hypnosis
Mine
NOT YOUR GIRL
Cherish
Next Page
Shine With Me
+ yet to be announced, title track.
so it's not lol stop spreading misinformation.
bro when gaeul winked at me in her throne i literally meltedddd 😍
Back off Gaeul only winked at me😊
@@Dred0n don't lie, she did for me obvi
@@aerrichandesuushe did it for me yall 😃✋🏿
Favouritism is clear. But I neither hate yujin not wony, only starship for always mistreating either Liz or gaeul. Like can't we have both?
I want to set starship on fire cuz they treat Liz like nothing
my bibi Wonyo was super pretty tho, but I won't thank starship for this
I don't know why people always talk about Starship’s favoritism about Wonyoung and Yujin???
Popularity:Wonyoung > > > >Yujin
Lines:Wonyoung
Yeahh lmao ik everyone hates more on wooyoung but it’s clear that yujin is way more favour than her.. idk why people always need to hate on her for no reasons.. like she even got less line than gaeul but I don’t see anyone saying gaeul didn’t deserve it like how much they say wooyoung doesn’t deserve it… it’s clear they are portraying a mean girl role on wooyoung because she’s way more popular and a nice girl getting bullied role on gaeul because she’s not as beautiful (in like Korean beauty standards) and popular… what’s more weird is that it’s all in their heads… it’s so weird they’re literally friends and people are creating all these scenarios in their heads for no reason💀
Liz last in screen time and lyrics... she deserves better, Starship is doing her dirty
did we have any doubt for the first two places vs the last place?😭
I kinda did I thought Gaeul and Rei would be second or first because I've seen them a lot in the MV.
honestly rei leeseo and gaeul did get a decent amount of screentime but liz being last wasnt a surprise at all 😭 her lines and screentime are decreasing more and more each comeback, it's really sad
@@s_a_l_v_a4 i wouldn't be surprise if Liz would leave them soon. starship's very unfair!!
I saw somebody say this before and i completely agree. It was on a different comment section and i do now remember their name, but full credit to them.
ive has 3 tiers.
1st tier
- wonyoung
- yujin
2nd tier
- leeseo
- rei
3rd tier
- gaeul
-liz
i keep referring to these tiers everytime im watching a line distribution and its accurate in these orders majority of the time. What do you think, dive?
edit: just to clarify before anybody says something, i said majority so its not always ☺️
Crazily accurate but I sometimes see gaeul switching between the last two tiers(mostly with outfits)
Liz being my bias and Gaeul being my bias wrecker 💀
Uh Liz is 2nd in line distribution across all Ive songs.....so no, this is incorrect.
@@benji0099 and half of it is from 2 songs (Eleven & Royal)
@@jungwoniz their other bsides in this album (blue blood and not your girl) Liz has a ton of lines. people are forgetting this is just another bside that they recorded with the rest of the album, its just Starship chose to release this one as the pre-release. I will bet Liz will be in the top 2 for lines once the whole album drops.
Liz is so beautiful, such a beauty💕
I'm gonna wait for the title track to pass full judgement but it's about time they stop riding off of Wonyoung & Yujin's premature fame & celebrity. It's not just in mvs, it's in the entire brand of the group.
It's giving Pussycat Dolls with a little bit more generosity.
Pcd kinda true
fr... it's not even like the other girls are severely lacking or don't match the group, they all mesh together pretty well so there really is zero reason to divvy up parts SO unequally among them. it's just insulting.
I mean Wonyoung is the center and visual, and those two positions tend to have more screentime in MVs no matter the group (Taeyong NCT, JK BTS, Karina Aespa, Nayeon Twice.....you get the idea). Not to mention her ultra popularity. But Yujin.....I know fans call her the 'ace' but she's the real center & line eater in Ive, and it's getting a little old imo.
So... Yujin got the same amount of screen time as liz gaeul and leeseo all together, and only yujin and wonyoung got half of the total screen time, amazing. I thought Rei got more than this tho, she really shined during the mv
Yujin is the real line & center eater in Ive, but ppl always blame Wonyoung. I thought Rei had more too, I think her pink hair always stood out more when she was on screen.
@@benji0099 they are kinda tied tho, i dont really care about who gets the top spot and i dont understand the hate towards any member as they dont choose who gets to be center, i just want a fairer distribution from the company
@@eva1742 No they aren't tied.....Yujin is first for lines and center time, with Wonyoung is third (basically tied with Rei) for lines. She is 2nd for center time, when she is referred to the center. I hate that fans use Wonyoung as a punching bag for 'mistreatment' when her distribution is quite fair based on her role in the group.
@@benji0099 "they arent tied" "wonyoung is basically tied with rei" lol wdym, yujin has 29s and wonyoung 25s (4s difference), while rei has 15s (10s difference), please check your maths xd
"I hate that fans use wonyoung as a punching bag" okay, i didnt do it tho, i literally said that im not critisizing them but the company who is the one who decides the line distribution. Direct your hate towards the correct people bro
@@eva1742 what numbers are you pulling? lmao in Kitsch Wonyoung had 20.99 sec and Rei had 20.70 (not even 1 sec difference)
damn the gap between last and first place💀
I barely saw Wonyoung and Yujin in the mv lol. It was all about Rei and Gaeul, they owned it, devoured it, slayed it and what not. Also it might sound funny but Liz stood out to me more than Yujin and Wony did. They were just there singing and dancing. Leeseo also didn't stand out much. This song was like made for Rei. It was like she waited her whole life for this lol. I love them nonetheless and they slayed!
because this is solo screen, you wouldn't see wonyoung & yujin in few group shots, i guess
i also thought Liz got more screen time than Wony but actually nah....
@@seth-qf4hd I agree, but let's be real, their solo shots weren't that memorable tbh. Like even though Rei's part almost consisted of all of the members, she still stood out. Same with Gaeul. That's why I feel like they weren't shown much in the mv, just the amount needed.
@@chii4383 Same lol. Like the second chorus part, Liz stood out so much when she sat in the choreo. For me, screen time doesn't depend on how much time you got, it literally depends on the memorable parts of the mv and in my opinion, Rei, Gaeul and Liz got it all.
You ain't seen that huge wall art of Wonyoung. Be for real
BTW four members combined got about 63 seconds of solo/focus time while the other two got a total of 74 seconds. I love all six members but d a m n that hurts
And liz getting least screen time and lines aswell , starship isn't giving the other members to show their talent . Because if I'm honest and no hate to the others but imo liz has better vocal than most of the members so she DESERVED more time
@@swanzyo did you listen to the main track and other songs of I've ?
@@supercalifragilisticexpialido6 yes I feel kitsch was unfair but because of I am and the other songs they made up for it !
I love seeing Yujin at the top since she’s the ace of the group and works the hardest, but they really couldn’t add one more line to the song for Liz? They don’t have to take any time from other members, just add more lines
This backhanded comment..when this is wonyoung also there is problem..you act wonyoung wasn't overworked idol and highschooler in same time...last year and save group in popularity .
Respect her
You sound annoying wonyoung have 5 years carrer in industry and deserve her hype.
Wonyoung chinese fans re true when they said starship have yujin as favorite...
Yujin "works the hardest"......what?? how could you in any way prove that. In terms of the amount of schedules they had to balance, that would be Wonyoung by a mile.
@@lavienrosewon8811 ??? Sorry I didn’t mention all 6 members LOL? I never said anything bad about Wonyoung I literally lifted Yujin and Liz up and even said they shouldn’t take time away from other members including Wonyoung. Make your own comment about it.
@@benji0099 Yujin has to teach the group the dances and managed them when they’re on stage and in any situation without staff. They all have busy schedules yet Yujin has to do more
@@Averdein lifting someone up by bringing everyone else’s down isn’t good dxmbxss stop trying to defend yourself and if ure writing smtg like that at least own up to it b
HELP I THOUGHT GAEUL WOULD BE FIRST ?? BCUZ I FELT LIKE I SAW HER A LOT IN THE MV 😭💀
If liz is not getting more lines and screentime in the title track dives including me gonna kill starship 🤡
Poor liz no lines + screentime🙁 she deserves better
You can tell theres a lot of solo stans in their fandom so I guess there's not a lot of pressure on the company to promote the other members
I could forgive WY and YJ getting a lot of time during debut, maybe even the first comeback, because of iz*one’s success, Starship wanted to make sure fans were drawn to the new group. I can still forgive YJ getting decent time even now because she’s a very strong performer and vocalist, very stable and has a lot of presence. But there’s a way to utilize your strongest performers, your more popular performers, while still being fair to the entire group.
XG isn’t a K-pop group, but a lot of K-pop fans know of them, so I want to point out how XG is a really good example of a group having diverse performers with some definitely being more popular and some being stronger performers, but the whole group gets to shine, they all get really good lines, and overall it’s pretty fair (except for Tippy Toes, poor Hinata lol). Even in K-pop, there’s groups we can look at with good distribution of choreo time, screen time, lines- I’ll even point out groups that are similar to IVE in numbers, such as EXID, ITZY, Red Velvet, and each of those group have members more popular than others, but the popular members and the other members are still treated fairly when it comes to distributing parts. Sometimes if a member doesn’t get a lot of lines, they’ll get great screen time, or given the center in choreo. A vocalist might not get the center in choreo very often but has a lot of lines.
Personally I don’t think it’s fair to give any member less than 10 seconds of lines in a song, even big groups like Loona and WJSN, it’s especially not right when there’s six members and five get over 20 seconds while one gets 5 seconds. FIVE. Listening to the song, I kept thinking “this line would’ve worked for Liz” or “they could’ve broken this line into two parts, why ddthis one member get one drawn out, long line randomly?”
I just feel for Liz. I feel for the whole group, but it’s especially sad for Liz who has gotten picked on so much. Wonyoung gets picked on a lot, but she’s developed thick skin, and she’s very confident in herself, so although I don’t think the hate is right for her, I think she’s good at handling it and has just gotten used to it. Liz isn’t as experienced as Wonyoung, she’s the second youngest member of the group, and while being picked on by the public she’s also pushed aside by the company. It’s almost as if they gave her less lines on purpose after she went viral for singing an Aespa song on a livestream so beautifully.
Edit: just wanna say I’ve loved Wonyoung and Yujin since Produce48, and while I’m glad to see them get praise and good treatment from their company, so I don’t want any solo stans attacking me lol I even voted for them during 48.
yes i agree with everything. But in i am i think everything was pretty balanced tbh. Only just a few more secs of screen time for liz would be good thats it. And one more thing i dont really think starship has a fave. Ik they treat wy and yj better but thats because they are the most popular and they push them the most (especially wy). But like you said this isnt fair. Overall i just hope liz and gaeul get treated a bit better. And i hope people dont hate wy and yj for getting the most lines or screen time. As it isnt their fault and they dont deserve the hate. (Esp wy).
Yuwon and friends fr
worst screen time distribution. and dont come at me with the "wonyoung and yujin are the most popular it makes sense" because its been a year and all members are popular. also they should alsi be promoting the other members because it just isnt fair! iz*one happened, give all the girls equal screentime and treatment starshit!
Omg this is soo unfair!! I hope starship can give the other girls more screentimes because seeing Liz and Gaeul always on top 1&2 is tired me
I barely see wony and Yujin in here I hope they get more in the title track 🤭🤍🤍
Is this satire 💀
groups that show too much favoritism are always doomed to fail.
Yujin just slayed so hard
People always talk about favoritism when it's about Wonyoung when in fact Rei gets the same amount of lines as her, same goes for Leeseo but go off💀
It's funny because I don't think Yujin fits this concept that much tbh 😂 this is not intended as a hate comment, btw!
Rei is main slayer
this fit Wonyoung and Rei's vibe the most imo
yep, this type of concept suits Wonyoung and Rei
What???? This is litterally her concept. The sexy/upbeat chorus its her aura
@@leofeblanezshe fits I am's concept way more
I’m just glad Wonyoung wasn’t #1 or we wouldn’t hear the end of it & the poor girl needs a break
Nobody care about yujin when she get everything..
@@lavienrosewon8811 fr!
@@lavienrosewon8811 Yup she’ll get no hate for this & if she does it will be “Wonyoung & Yujin got the most” It wont be a focus on Yujin by herself
@@llm412 i think yujin have not it factor not hate but just many kpop stans forget her
Alot of people act like yujin should also get hate for getting lines and screentime just cause wonyoung gets it and i think yujin shouldnt get any hate just cause wonyoung is getting hate but in conclusion no one should get hate
Yujin my queen deserved it
Other memebers deserve to shine aswell not just wony abd yujin
Liz deserve it to
@@stanloona8881 yeah of course we need more liz lines
Yujin get always most lines overall distribution when liz is better vocalist...we need blackmailed starship..stop beung favoritism
@@lavienrosewon8811 yujin got lines because she's ace good voice, dance, stage presences if someone should get less lines for Liz to get more it's not her
Save Liz
One is less than 10 seconds screen time while the other is almost 40 seconds
Who's surprised ? no one.
These two are treated way better than they perform tbh
wonyoung ain’t treated better yujin is the favourite starship protects her the most. they only exploit wonyoung.
Wonyoung isn't treated well by starship..they never protected her from haters..they did just used her as money marker since she is popular idol with big fanbase
Not yujin having the same at Liz, Gaeul and Leeseo togheter 😂😂😂😂😂
Almost no lines or Solo time for Liz.. I understand if they don't give lines to idols whose vocals aren't that strong, and they can always compensate with screentime.. but Liz has the vocals and has neither
Someone please save Liz from this shitty company and let her shine as she deserves
Reiiii ❤
At this point the favouritism is just blatant
yujin in her wonyoung era
Yujin’s been on her Wonyoung era since day 1
Yujin always get ton lines and screentime since ive debut..even solo job
Yujin was always a center with wony ur just that obsessed with her that u can't focus on nobody else 😭can't blame u she's gorgeous 🤷♀️
Liz 9.80
Gaeul 13.79
Yujin deserved the only ace
WTF
Thanks for making❤
i honestly wonder why they didn't just debut wonyoung and yujin as solo or a duo bc they get a lot of the screentime and lines compared to other members. Like there's no way the other members don't notice it which is probably why i view the group dynamic kind of off
@@gra6056 i watch their content so I know how they are, I said personally I still get a weird vibe because I feel like there is still blatant favorism shown in almost every comeback despite them being close. And it's been almost 2 years now and it's still ongoing, i could understand them pushing yujin and wonyoung more in the beginning because many of the other members were unknown and its a great marketing strategy but its kind of old. Especially when all members are acknowledged and have a solid fanbase. I don't really see that as an excuse anymore and its widely unfair to other members. Which is why I wondered why they didn't just debut as soloists or a duo.
@@gra6056 I know that its only me? I mentioned multiple times its my personal opinion lol and I'm not only saying wonyoung has favortism. I think its a big mixture between wonyoung and yujin simply because of they're popularity. It's undeniable that they are the focal point of the group which I don't like. You obviously have your own different opinions than mine so I'm not going to discredit you at all but I'm simply stating my perspective and opinion
I thought rei was the first
I've waiting for your vídeo
YUJIN DESERVED SHE IS AN ACE I LOVE HERRR DEVOUREDDD
She's not an ace
@@HahaHaha-jx4le AN ALLROUNDER what they mean
@@juno1765 she's also not an allrounder. She lacks vocals and rap (also credits)
she is not an all rounder
@@sanoceros decently good at what ? neither is she a decent singer nor a decent dancer and she rapped like 1 or 2 times in her life , she's called an all rounder/ ace whatever cause we've seen her do all those things , gaeul is better in both dance and rap and on the same level in vocal if not better , if anything gaeul is the all rounder and she's not even my bias , but ya'll see an idol dancing rapping and singing so you call them an all rounder even if they're shitty in all the categories , the company is pushing her way as the main vocalist where there's this big wall of china between her and liz's vocal abilities .
Thats my style is so addicting 😂
I want one day wonyoung and yujin at the botom 3
@@Mal.victory yeah i know
I wouldn't follow that comeback 😂
Nah they're the most appealing and know how to play with camera the best, the MV will be boring without them having more focus
Doubt it they been in the idol world for almost 6 years now and Wonyoung is the it girl rn and the most popular 4th gen idol rn in Korea with new jeans minji behind her
Why would they do that. It's a business not a charity.
Liz having little lines even screen time?wtf starship entertainment
How does Liz go from Eleven to this*.
Did something happen?
Something happened
Starship is known for treating idols that arent skinny enough for them like this
Its punishment for her weight gain. They let her carry the b sides but they hide her in the songs with MVs
The comments are always so damn shady towards Wonyoung, literally the most toxic fandom
LIZ🙁🙁🙁🙁🙁🙁
the way dives comment by bringing yujin down is really pissed me off..
now i believes dives it self also kind of toxic fans..
I hope yujin will get the recognition she deserves
SAMEEEE
??? Yujin always gets the most lines, screentime and center
Yujin has always had recognition wdym?
@@nvx7740 bc she deserves
@@zyotagram Obviously she deserves it, like all of them. But Yujin DOES have recognition.
Yujin and Wonyoung feat IVE
Yujin and Wonyoung ft IVE plus their backup dancer Liz
STARSHIT: Oh, Gaeul is getting more popular! give me that book i want to give gaeul more line and screentime
Yujin the best 💗❤️💯😘
yujinnnn
Liz is the main vocalist not the main backup dancer ????? I feel so bad for her :(
If Wonyoung appeared more this MV will be better,she really fits this concept and finished perfectly every her part❤This lyrics seems written for her and that’s why Wonyoung is the center of IVE👑
I think IVE it's DUO GROUP..😡😡😡 Liz, leseeo, rei,gaeul is back dancer.... 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
Wow
Liz got a good amount line in the distribution
Wonyoung got a good amount of screentime
Yujin had lines, screentime and centre
While the rest got the most memorable lines
gaeul proved her
For everyone bashing Starship for pushing Yujin and Wonyoung, you clearly don't know what happened to Weki Meki when they tried to distribute lines and screentime among more members than the better known Yoojung and Doyeon, who were known due to their I.O.I. time. Starship doesn't want to make that mistake. Unfortunately, this is necessary to make the group better known to the public, using those known previously, as Yujin and Wonyoung were a part of Izone.
Ankitschhhh
10, 14, 18, 22, 35, 40
9 seconds of an over 3 minute video when theres only 6 members is so wild
Groups like twice and loona (+9 and over member groups) I would understand but a 6 member group and Liz gets 9 seconds shows massive favoritism
Gaeul finally got the lines she deserved but at what cost?
try to find liz challenge: impossible
Rei and Gaeul give their best as usual. I can understand WY and Yujin getting so much screentime since the company is really pushing them, to the point that I think WY is a bit overexposed. But I hope Liz gets to be the centre for other songs.
First few lines now few screen time BOO starship entertainment is the worst feel bad for Liz
Im the only person think yujin is starship favorite...i notice she get more solo schedules and lines overall compared wonyoung...yet wonyoung fanbase buy 50% albums..
Anyways annyeongz deserve her hype since hard work
I don't hate Yujin but the truth is her popularity totally lost to Wonyoung but her lines always exceeded…Wonyoung never got her deserving treatment😢
Nah i agree i’ve kinda gone off yujin tbh.
@@jeongpungha6592 yes if you notice wonyoung albums always sold out faster but no really yujin...i have seen votes who is most biased member in ive and this is big surprised...for me.Yujin was 3rd ...liz have depassed her...
Wonyoung
Liz
Yujin
Gaeul
Rei
Leeseo
@@nyxgore2952 well starship hide their play...they notice nobody hate yujin also start give more and more lines or solo schedules...still nobody notice
@@lavienrosewon8811 Yup people ignore it because it’s yujin but if it was wonyoung everyone would hate her more
2:50 yujin❤
I don't think in terms of mv, Liz was done unfair. She has the least amount but she stood out the most to me. Out of all their sets, I liked hers the most. She seemed really pretty in all her solo shots
I think just like people preferring wonyound and yunjin at their top 5 and people thinking it's wrong
same goes with people putting them down for others is it really gonna make it better
It's a group MV obviously someone going to have the screentime or lines more than someone else can y'all be practical in a situation
at the end of the day these entertainment companies are nothing but business firms they will do wtvr profits them Ive's target audience is not international fans it's knets and in korea wonyoung and yunjin are the most famous of the group and companies will do wtvr profit them and people calling out wonyoung and yunjin for having this privilege are stupid why would these two girls let go of any kind of opportunity
I am not justifying the discrimination of other members but it's fan choices who they choose as most appealing and favourite
Yay Wonyoung ❤
this must be a joke
*SIGH* There we go again.
that’s sad, especially Liz
YUJIN AND REI ATE THE WHOLE ESTABLISHMENT
리즈 파트 겁나 적어...개타쉽 일 안하냐?! 그래도 타이틀곡이 아니여서 망정이지..
You definitely missed some Gauel screentime
Here come the deranged folks who haven’t seen outside since last year
LMAOOO
I'm happy for wonyoung !
I think somebody
Was left in only 9.8 sec solo screen, starship clap for the ent. Who makes the worst line distribution
kitsch is a very good song and I really like it. But it's unfair to the other member especially liz. IVE is always like this. The other members are being mistreatment. I hope starship will treat them fairly.
Starship not valuing vocals in this group as much as Monsta X and WJSN 😭
Leeseo 4th😢
Istg if Liz is just nowhere to be seen on their title track 😶
Liz only got less than 10 seconds, what the fuck?
9.8s of solo screentime, 5.7s (if im not mistaken) of lines
................
@@jungwoniz lol that's insane
@@yeonieett9358 fr
Liz only got 1 Line and least screentime, do better Starship
Is this surprising? Nope! Same in lines. But it’s more fair than expected lol.😂 except Liz😢
I don't understand this company at all...
the way the stylist put big bras on wonyoung 💀💀💀💀
stop being creepy
@@nyxgore2952 its not the agency is creepy pushing her to be mature asap
@@uji2503 it is creepy
ong where timestamp pls
Yujin 🤮🤮
^^
Cant u see wonyoung has the most solid line among the member... ur all very funny...😂😂