Thank you Mark, yes I think the theotic Plato is often overlooked. He's quite clear in The Republic that the purpose of dialectic is the direct apprehension of the good. Aporia is the fertile ground from which theosis occurs rather than a final destination in itself as some suggest. He's talking about enlightenment, a moment of transformation that is necessarily preceded by not knowing, 'a sudden flash there shines forth understanding about every problem, and an intelligence whose efforts reach the furthest limits of human powers.’ (Seventh Letter)
"That presence is not your own, though it thoroughly informs you" (13.20ish). Beautifully put - reminds me of Gilbert Simondon's information theory as well as Gregory Bateson. And perhaps it also speaks to Roger Penrose's love of pattern - the presence of mathematical truth is not your own, but it thoroughly informs the structure of thought-being.
Mark, would you consider uploading something on Meister Eckhart, one day, perhaps... lol. I believe there to be growing interest in Christian mystics. Thank you for all else you do anyway.
There is an American named James Finley who presents a long-running podcast called "Turning To The Mystics", which goes into lengthy detail about the mystics. You can hear it almost anywhere.
Spot on mark, thank you for this. I would love for you to deliver a course/ release a book on Socrates & Plato... But I understand you're working on Blake and I'm sure that's more than enough for now! Are there any resources you'd recommend in the meantime?
The two authors I mentioned are Julia Annas and Sara Ahbel-Rappe. Plus Gregory Shaw, who writes about Neoplatonism, gets Plato, I think. DC Schindler is another...
The authors in the notes are a start. DC Schindler is another. The BBC's In Our Time on The Republic is adjacent, too, though not going the full distance.
@@PlatosPodcasts thanks again. Are there any authors that highlight what you talk about at the end? As summarised in the last three paragraphs of your description ('Socrates can't give that presence...')... I've been reading Sara's 'Socrates: a guide for the perplexed', she seems to move in that direction, but doesn't seem to go the full way?
@@alecmisra4964 do go on. plato planned the republic and then it morphed without any honest break that wasn't a laundering charade straight through until senates were brought back. the allegory of the cave is a punishment literally what prisons are modeled after where you are allowed out when you follow societal rules... so all of europe in the dark ages were put in prison allowed out when they would be willing to do to others as had been done to them. tell me what i'm missing. examiners of his republic offered to him as funerary rites after they are put down same as socrates plato always resented the honest perspective in the way of power.
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Thank you Mark, yes I think the theotic Plato is often overlooked. He's quite clear in The Republic that the purpose of dialectic is the direct apprehension of the good. Aporia is the fertile ground from which theosis occurs rather than a final destination in itself as some suggest. He's talking about enlightenment, a moment of transformation that is necessarily preceded by not knowing, 'a sudden flash there shines forth understanding about every problem, and an intelligence whose efforts reach the furthest limits of human powers.’ (Seventh Letter)
"That presence is not your own, though it thoroughly informs you" (13.20ish). Beautifully put - reminds me of Gilbert Simondon's information theory as well as Gregory Bateson. And perhaps it also speaks to Roger Penrose's love of pattern - the presence of mathematical truth is not your own, but it thoroughly informs the structure of thought-being.
Mark, would you consider uploading something on Meister Eckhart, one day, perhaps... lol. I believe there to be growing interest in Christian mystics. Thank you for all else you do anyway.
Thanks for the suggestion. In the meantime, I'd much recommend Dangerous Mystic: Meister Eckhart's Path to the God Within by Joel F. Harrington.
There is an American named James Finley who presents a long-running podcast called "Turning To The Mystics", which goes into lengthy detail about the mystics. You can hear it almost anywhere.
Will have a think. In the meantime do look at Dangerous Mystic by Joel F. Harrington
Thank you, this is clear and very helpful.
Spot on mark, thank you for this.
I would love for you to deliver a course/ release a book on Socrates & Plato... But I understand you're working on Blake and I'm sure that's more than enough for now! Are there any resources you'd recommend in the meantime?
The two authors I mentioned are Julia Annas and Sara Ahbel-Rappe. Plus Gregory Shaw, who writes about Neoplatonism, gets Plato, I think. DC Schindler is another...
Mark, I just listened to this again - it's very, very good
The authors in the notes are a start. DC Schindler is another. The BBC's In Our Time on The Republic is adjacent, too, though not going the full distance.
@@PlatosPodcasts thanks again. Are there any authors that highlight what you talk about at the end? As summarised in the last three paragraphs of your description ('Socrates can't give that presence...')... I've been reading Sara's 'Socrates: a guide for the perplexed', she seems to move in that direction, but doesn't seem to go the full way?
Yes! Very inspiring. Thank you Mark!
Even if some of the ideas may appear weird today the form of the dialogue make the protagonists seem everyday characters.
Marvellous - thank you
He taught what he was taught by his teacher in Alkebulon.
Thank you for helping me understand self knowledge. 💖
Thanks Mark!
Wonderful reminder. Making Platonic philosophy come alive again.
Really cool discussion.
Wow loved this
what have either got to do with Indian stepwells? (thumbnail)
Marvellous!
By the way Plato very seriously defended slavery. How can you "decolonize" him?
Sounds like St Paul and Jesus
plato was the reason for british colonialism... plato was a bad student learning nothing *on purpose* so he could control the thing being taught
Sounds like you.
@@alecmisra4964 do go on. plato planned the republic and then it morphed without any honest break that wasn't a laundering charade straight through until senates were brought back. the allegory of the cave is a punishment literally what prisons are modeled after where you are allowed out when you follow societal rules... so all of europe in the dark ages were put in prison allowed out when they would be willing to do to others as had been done to them. tell me what i'm missing. examiners of his republic offered to him as funerary rites after they are put down same as socrates plato always resented the honest perspective in the way of power.
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