British Rail-Birmingham New Street 1986
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- Опубликовано: 20 июн 2018
- A film from the mid 1980s showing the varied workings at Birmingham New Street. Quite a lot of blue traction around including a class 45 on a cross country working and a HST in original colours. Lots of DMUs with their blue haze trailing in their wake, class 310s with their original wrap round cab windows, an old class 127 (i think) parcels DMU and an 86 or two in BR blue. Quite a time warp, only 30 years ago though....who'd like to go back?........If you liked the video please subscribe to my channel, there are lots more transport & quirky vids to upload!
I remember catching the 310s to work in the early 80s, only a 10 minute journey but loved it.
Spent many happy hours spotting in the mid 80s at New Street, and travelling around on a 75p Daysaver ticket (Leamington, Coventry, Wolverhampton, Walsall etc, as well as Bescot and Saltley depots)👍
bet you had some good traction to ride on as well.....
Newspaper DMU! Now there's something you won't see nowadays.
I was working at New Street Station this year, for Royal Mail. Loading and unloading bags of mail. Pulling the blue trolleys ( Brute) with an electric truck, to and from the station through the tunnel connecting the station to the Royal Mail building, being a railway enthusiast, I loved being near the trains. Loco hauled as well, but it was nice to see the iconic HST 125 as well .
Most Saturdays in the 80s we would take a 31 from Nuneaton upto New Street, buy an all day WM rover ticket n take class 50's down to Birmingham International jump off and catch a 47 back...wish I had a time machine.
Yes, i have similar to get some loco thrash in the book. I did an NSE rover back in May 92 to get the NSE loco hauled's in before they went. I took vid as well so will upload at some point!
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Super look forward to that.
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus 92 simpsons
Did almost the aame with the old paper tickets. Fond memories
Now that's what I call a real hardcore "blue" movie🤣. Seriously, great footage and good memories.
I aim to please......
I remember one Saturday morning I was travelling from Stourbridge junction to Birmingham New Street with my dad, it was the early 90s and it was raining heavily all day. We were sat in a central trailer 59 class vehicle and the roof was leaking due to its poor condition. It was comical and sad too, the guard came into the vehicle to check our tickets and he walked through a waterfall! He wasn’t bothered by it one bit! He wasn’t bothered by it, I think he was used too it by then. Happy days.
Yes, i do like the old DMUs, i have a soft spot for them. I chased them a fair bit and filmed them where-ever i could. I will upoad some vids from areas that i did that wern't loco areas, eg Great Yarmouth, Brundall (although i did get an 08 sneaking through!), branches around Glasgow ect. All good stuff along with some nice semaphore signalling. That's another thing i went out to chase, lines with semaphores working. With a video you could actually capture the arms moving and hear the clunking sometimes as well, all part of our railway history.
I wish I was around in those days to see the variety of trains.
It was a good time, steam replacement stock was still with us along with newer traction that BR was introducing.
HO scale Miami Switching layout, they were great times. Having grew up in Shirley, Solihull. New Street, Bescot and Saltley were regular haunts for train spotting. From the early eighties right through to the late nineties! How I miss those days!...
@@stevepartridge5178I live very close to Birmingham and Shirley
Steve - there is only a fraction of the variety on the railways today, and the only interest on ecml is in the freight
Constant stream of pendolino units is so boring, but occasionally a train will he hauled by something other than just a 66 diesel
Loved the first gen dmu's they certainly did their bit to add to the smokey atmosphere at New Street
Wonderful memories of that era, the last days of what was of any interest on the UK rail system and inasmuch as it goes, very much of my era of rail enthusiasm in itself. Thank you for sharing.
There will be more, there is a bit in between the start & end of this upload where i went to Bescot, so there's more from this era to see!
Fantastic to watch as I was a regular spotter at Birmingham New Street when I lived in Walsall 1984 to 1987. Used to go with two lads from Hydesville Tower School especially when aged 12 and 13 as we were only allowed to go there in threes by our parents! Particularly liked 47567 'Red Star' as I now have the Lima model of this loco in BR Blue. If not Birmingham New Street I was found at London Paddington during that same time with my Uncle Emrys to blame ... Er, thank more like! :o)
My god! We never knew how lucky we were...
My trainspotting days, I miss them. Also I was working at New Street station in 1986 for Royal mail.
Not so much rateable traction to see these days! I will get a Bescot vid up at some point, taken in 1988-LOTS of great traction to see!
Gazza B mine too , worked at Coventry Royal Mail also at that time .
I wonder how many memories these videos provoke? Thank you for posting Soi.
My pleasure....
Thanks so much for this, fantastic memories, I can almost smell the diesel! Being from Northampton my trips would always start with a 310 as that's all we got! Then from New Street you had every option, riding around all summer on Midland and East Midland rover tickets. If only we could go back!
Yes, there was some great traction to be had then.....
As a Coventry kid by birth, my old spotting haunt about 12 years before this. Catch a 304 or 310 where you could see out of the front or sit in the single compartment on a 304 that had no corridor connection from Tile Hill to New Street. I was bored with the 8X electric locos and used to look forward to the 31s, 45s, 46s and 52s coming through. The loco hauled grey and blue Pullman used to leave from platform 1 too.
Souns like you've seen some great traction passing through....I always like the old EMUs too, the LTS 302s had Greasly bogies and gave a great ride out to Southend!
Brilliant, many thanks
This brings back so many memories of visiting my Gran in Birmingham in the 80-90's.
I'm pleased you've enjoyed it! There will be more in the future.
You have such a large amount of interesting and varied content Soi, cheers!
Thank you, i have been desperate to film transport since the early 80s......
Wonderful video, I miss those days. I also miss the class 310 and class 304 EMU's.
Superb footage. How i will always remember BNS.
I'm pleased you enjoyed it. I have other film from the Birmingham area which i will get up as time permits.
Wow this takes me back I was
14 then.thanku for showing this.
Plenty of good traction about then as well.....
Classic Locos in a golden age of BR.
that takes me back. :) i grew up in Wolverhampton in the 80s and 90s, so a lot of this is very familiar. nice to see a 304 trundling off to Walsall (though i don't remember the ones with the narrow windows), and i even spotted a WMPTE blue & cream Fleetline on Navigation Street. :)
Great video :) I'd LOVE to go back ... BR Blue / Grey & the National Bus Company are things I relate to in my 'yooooof' ... Fond memories & a chance to anorak it up with trains & buses of a bygone (but not too long ago) time ...
I'm pleased you like the vid. Keep an eye out for when i upload the bit missing from the middle of the New St shots where i went to Bescot-there was some great shots taken there! And, yes NBC buses, blue locos and silver Underground trains, great times!
What a nice noise 86s and 87s made didn't they.
what I love about these videos, it that also all those ‘pick’ nickers about liveries guys that are looking for these to portray a time where certain ear
Absolutely brilliant Love the Peak but not the new sprinter lol 😆 Great video as always cheers Stevie
Thank you. That 'new' Sprinter is now 34 years old, older than the first gen DMU's that were running then! And there is no replacement in sight for the Sprinters to be replaced, the DfT waiting for god knows what to be invented to avoid electrifiying the network!
Excellent nostalgia! Mk2 and Mk3 stock - legroom, no claustrophobia due to intruding bodyside, windows (mostly) arranged so one could see out, no reek, no whirring electrical noise, proper traction... Progress, eh?
So they tell us, but i can't see where?!!!!
And you get a proper meal service!
Unfortunately the bog emptied onto the track otherwise 100% better experience than a Pendo or Voyager!
Goodness me, a great video! I traveled up from London Euston to New St a lot back then--I even managed to catch the 07:40 am "Birmingham Pullman" a couple of times which as far as I know was the only Mark 3b stock train, albeit one way to Euston (I think it was something to do with the last Manchester Pullman stock moved to Oxley overnight then a trip back to London for the mid-morning Pullman working to Manchester.) and always wondered why the Birmingham trains were always Mark 2 stock and not Mark 3! only the Lime St, Piccadilly and Glasgow services had the better carriages. I think it was in 1987 that the New St services started to have a Mark 3 buffet car (first Buffet open? FBO). Another funny service I recall was a service (saturdays only) from London Euston to Paignton via Birmingham New Street and for a couple of quid you could upgrade to Weekend First and sit in a deputised Inter-City Pullman rake on a very long journey! The Paignton service covered a Euston to New St diagram and a New St to Paignton diagram, two for the price of one using otherwise idle stock!
Thank you. There were certainly some unusual workings years back, train planners ways toi keep stock utilised as much as possible. Thanks for sharing your memories.....kepp an eye out, more railways vids from the past still to come.....
how i miss those days, get a day tripper, do saltley, bescot and try at tyseley, and spend a afternoon at new street.
That blue fog.... 😱😱😍😍
Yes, many a station full of diesels years back had a blue fog......
Loads of decent rolling stock in those days, especially the 310/312 EMUs and first generation DMUs . A lot of Clag as well.
New Street is such a difficult location for any sort of photography, you did very well to get such good cine or video footage.
The newspapers DMU is new to me, I don't recall seeing it before.
Back in those days BR didn't really hassle spotters unlike today where some places get very touchy! The DMU was an ex passenger set converted for parcel use, although BR did have some built from new for such workings.....
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus I was thinking of the difficulty to photography posed by the structure of the station, overhead power gantries, lampposts and so forth.
The resulting footage is a credit to your skill, tenacity and dedication. It has given so much pleasure to many of us.
Got to love NEW STREET Great vid man
Thank you, another world back then. Most of the stock seen here has long gone!
I quite like that it brings you back happy memories
Spent many cold and damp evenings at New Street in the early 70s, waiting for the Cross Country overnight trains on the NE/SW route, when traveling between Bath and Humberside as a student. The Student Rail Pass tickets would not allow you to go on the quicker and more comfortable Bath-Paddington and Kings Cross-Doncaster route via the Tube!
You would have got some good haulage back in those days!
Great footage as usual especially as I'm a or was a Birmingham lad👍
Thank you..... i can't believe it was getting on for 40 years agao now......
I've never seen that before - the Network SouthEast logo sneakily inscribed on the old livery before proper rebranding. This is very early days. Must be after June roughly. This is a gem of a clip.
Thank you....it was filmed on 10th September. Yes, to begin with, all NSE stock had a small NSE name vinyl fixed to them until they could go through a repaint. Chris Green and his managers were busy in the early days giving the trains and NSE operated stations a deep clean, trying to improve the look of things. Living in London at that time, i think they did a very good job, by the time NSE was disbanded it actually made a small profit, had new trains and improved the old ones, ridership was up and a general air of things going well......
Great stuff. Could have almost been there.
Just as I remember it.
A lot more exciting in those days.....happy times!
Yes. Whole different world back then.
The variety that once predominately features in this video has been eroded away, and today the lack of locomotive hauled trains is what is lacking
I remember all the Buddleia bushes growing out of the black tunnels in New Street and I remember that woman's voice.
come to thing of it..... I miss the Dmus too!
Towards the end they were in a right state, lots of oddball formations running about.
I was a bit surprised to see a network southeast train (310/2?) at new street but quickly remembered certain "north london lines" reached Birmingham in those days
Yes, the WCML locals via Northampton ran through to Birmingham long before NSE. Upon sectorisation the main service fell under NSE's remit. Fully NSE liveried 321s worked to Birmingham for years.....
Happy days.
1985/1987 my childhood memories. On the trains all day on a day tripper. 75p
i love the class 47 45 and 101 thats why i have the pennie add on on train sim world ;)
Definatly some good traction on this upload.....
47421 still with the boiler port there... yikes this IS a long time ago then lol
That announcer had a great way of enunciating "Bristol Parkway"
Brummie accent perhaps???
Local trains to Rugby in those days these days they either terminate at Coventry or go forward to Northampton
They were happy times then, but in more recent times it’s more boring. I miss the old days of loco hauled trains and run rounds being used. I miss Older DMUS and EMUS. I miss the old mail carts on the platform ( sorry I can’t remember there proper names).
I can't remember the names of the electric trollies but the big blue mail carts were called BRUTE's which was an acronym-British Rail Universial Trolly Equipment!
Soi Buakhao , yes that’s it! Brutes! Just recently, in social media or in a magazine, an enthusiast managed to purchase 2 brutes from a scrapyard for preservation! Don’t know which station they came from tho, thanks.
They had no station as such as they were put on trains and travelled all over the country. They carried mail, Red Star parcels and newspapers. When a whole rake of them were being moved around a station you could here them, they were very noisey! The newspapers went first in the 80s, then the Red Star traffic in the 90s and finally the mail went when they opening the Railnet Hub at Willesden and changed the way mail was carried. Soem still lurk around the system hidden away in odd corners and forgotten about. The need for BRUTE's came about after nationalisation as each company had their own form of trollies hence the BRUTE so they could indeed go aanywhere and all couple together as required.
Soi Buakhao , there are two abandoned on platform 12 at Crewe if you know were to look.
Yeah, i can believe that, that platform is the Siberia of Crewe station lol....
310/312 Emu, best electric units ever in my book.
Lovely units. I worked as a motorman on the Southern Region, there were plans at one point to build our 4 VEP units to this MK2 based design. Clearance problems here and there and particularly around Blackfriars in London meant this wasn't done. The 310/312 type had the same English Electric traction motors found in the 4 REP emus and the JB Class 73s. EE 546 being the type. The firsts on the 312s, I think, were the same seats as we had on the original Phase 1 4CIG stock in second class. Very nice ! Great shame no 310s or 312s were saved complete. I recall them being smooth and comfy sets, though the 310s had the odd quirk of no vestibule between the MBSO and TSO from memory. I seem to recall them being altered during works visits.
11:57 is that a train specifically to deliver newspapers?
Newspapers and mail.....
Birmingham N, S, 1986, classic blue white Intercity livery, and the introduction of the black white with red stripe livery. Classic DMU EMU trains in the classic blue white livery.
That same year, the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant Disaster, Reactor No. 4 melted down and exploded.
It was a long time ago now but for me seems just like yesterday! There was still plenty of 1960s traction about then mostly now gone.
Good old day
A lot more rateable traction was around then that's for sure!
Great video, can you possibly advise what equipment you used to transfer from VHS to computer as I am looking to purchase this week. Many videos to share! Many thanks, Mike
Hi Mike, i copied my VHS tapes to DVD disc using a DVD recorder. As i had a camera that took E180 tapes, the quality upon transfer was very good, especially as i set the 'disc record' to a high resolution (SP rather than LP or EP). That was around 18 years ago, around 3 years back i transfered ripped discs to my computer and used a free programme called X-Media Recode to convert the VTS file to MP4. Now, there are kits around to copy VHS straight to computer as an MP4 file. You need a working VHS player and you copy in real time. But the tech isn't quite there yet and the quality is not so good, not great definition. But it does work and the kits are available off ebay at around £20/30ish sort of price. You get leads and a programme disc. The Jon Harry vids i have aquired were in Video 8, i had to buy a camera to play the tape to my DVD recorder and the rip to computer as i did with my collection. The best Quality is with a DVD recorder if you can get one...... Best of luck, i'll enjoy watching what you've got!
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Many thanks for your reply, I have copied most of my videos to DVD, most in SP so the quality is there. That was the other option but I didn't know how to copy from DVD onto the Mac, had some difficulty last year. You may have helped as above! My DVD hard drive recorder has packed up, must get it fixed.
@@westerleighwerek1493 That's good to hear re already on disc. Just down load X-Media recode and your away. There are tutorials on YT on how it works although it's fairly easy to understand. It takes time to convert, around 3 hours-ish for a 2 hour DVD. When ripping a DVD to computer it will appear as 2 to 3 VTS files. Once converted you will still have 3 files but in MP4 (as well as the DVDVTS files + DVD disc of course). You will need a programme to join the MP4 files together which will also be able to cut them in any way you want. I use a very basic one called Avidimux that i got off ebay for around a fiver! Best of luck.....
That's one o' they new Sprinters 1:44!
I miss the class 304's!
When they electrified the Cross City line some ex NSE EMUs were used around Birmingham/Coventry area, i think reduced to 3 cars but looked good in NSE livery!
if I was in that dmu I will have my head out of the window to have a look out
Very usefull for taking photos out of when passing Depot's and sidings!
RIP Simon Blakemore
Cuff stinks, jedd and Banbury cabbage to name just a few of the regular cranks that made that area such a magnet for characters. I always got confused on what platform was what when on the concourse after doing mad dashed leaps.
Always a manic place was New Street. I have a random shot of Jed on the first NSE Network Day at Watford Junc awaiting the push-pull Crompton & 4 TC set......
Banbury cabbage is a great lad he got stick from other cranks because he loved 47s .cuff stink deid around 10 years ago but I didn't really talk with him because he stank so I'd get my m8 to ask him for gen then there's jed who I seen a couple of years ago on the midland railway centre diesel gala
@@supersprinter1564 I am shocked!
Rail enthusiasts are the salt of the earth. Perish the thought that any might be malodorous. Scruffy perhaps, but smelly, surely not.
@@thomasburke2683 yes they really are m8
We used to wait for a class 50 to come in from Paddington.
To think those 125s are still in service.
Indeed! but they've been re-engined I think?
Yes they have, there are no HSTs with original style Valentas although the Midland Main Line ones (not ex GC ones) use a VP185 engine.
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Didn't they trial Mirrlees Blackstone generator sets at one point?
Wow..they even had modern inter-city compartments (with the moder inter-city livery). Those compartments were s o cool..why are saloon cars still _en vogue?_
Safety is the given reason plus it is easier for ticketing staff to come round and check.
116s and 118s were staple traffic at this time.
Towards the end of DMUs on the Cross City line all sorts of DMUs appeared, i have some NSE liveried ones working.
12:24 Farewell HST 1980's-2019
Well, not really. Cross-Country still run them, and through New Street. And the Midland Maion Line still run them plus the Great Western & Scotrail refurb ones are still running. But it is sad they have gone from the two main lines they once dominated......
As a child, this is extraordinary!! I wish I had these trains growing up and not rubbish Pendolinos and 350’s 😴 😴 😴
No class 310 emu was saved, time for new build one
Good trains to work and ride on. But they were a dated design when they were built, being a slam door train.....Tey might have lasted longer if sliding door stock....
asbestos ridden, as most of the early mk2s
Why the hell is there an NSE train in the midlands?
Because the slow Euston to Birmingham via Northampton service was an NSE Sector route. Same way you could get an NSE train from Plymouth on certain days, as seen here ruclips.net/video/dLde8NXRqqM/видео.html
Sad thing is, all the diesel locos now would be Voyagers, All the electric locos would now be Pendy's, the EMU's would all be 350s and the DMU's 172s although on the up side they would mostly be running via the now re-opened Snow Hill
The only thing from my vid that you might still see there today is a Cross Country HST. I filmed the BNS shots at both ends of a day at Bescot, there was loads of rateable traction there, lots of 20s and a busy TMD & yard. Something for a future upload!
Indeed, although that is also testimony to the durability of the HST's the rest I suppose is progress, however sad some of us find it, still thankyou for up loading the videos and bringing the sights and sounds of my childhood back to life.
Bescot? Now that used to be an interesting place, and a regular haunt of mine.
You'd also find Class 150 on several Hereford trips, class 153s on my line to Cannock/Rugeley and lots of horrible ( and totally unsuited to the Cannock line, Sprinters were FAR FAR superior and had a third more seats!!) class 170s
PS what were the two really old looking carriages slotted in with the blue grey intercity modern ones at 8.00?
Bob smoczkiewicz BR Mk1 buffet car and Mk1 BG (full brake)
I also miss the human station announcements, automated voices don’t do it for me.
Oh, i don't know, i remember the old Southern Region ones, they were quite a laugh with the womans voice like that of a 1950s BBC announcer!
Lol!😂
Wow, three cars DMU’s train door must be too narrow for passengers to onboard or alight with luggages, and I noticed that before the train fully stop, they immediately open the doors and cannot wait to alight the train.
Back in slam door days, especaially on commuter trains, passngers had the door open and were off before the train had stopped moving!.....
The 13:02 due at 16:45?
Was it the 13.02 from Exeter, arriving at BNS at 16.45 for instance (rather than be almost 4 hours late!), i can't remember now.
Besides, 8:40 this locomotives include the stars. It really looked like communist stars but it wasn’t inside the star had put Railway logos outside the locomotives.
47567 named after BR's Red Star Parcels service
Network Southeast in Birmingham
Yes, the slow EMU service to Birmingham came under NSE. In later years class 321s ran there in full NSE livery!
I live in Northampton, they were our trains to London and Birmingham, then the 321s now the 350s. We are an hour from both Euston and New street.
They have network south east in kings Lynn as well and I have seen them in Exeter as well.