Vitiate is 100% one the most powerful beings in all of the EU. He managed to live for over a thousand years and cheated death multiple times. And he surly has the force abilities of a god.
@@HandofOmega that’s literally what I thought if vitiate came in contact with the dark side itself how would there dialogue even go and would vitiate try to drain the son
@@Daviyah_yisrael It’d definitely be cool to see. If the two were to fight which would be awesome, I think Vitiate would win. The fight would just be force abilities since both are clearly Force Users and don’t use lightsabers. Vitiate/Valkorion would most likely beat the Son at least in my personal opinion and he could do it by draining the power of the Son. Vitiate was literally able to destroy worlds, corrupt minds, possess multiple Sith, had crazy Force Lighting attacks, and the dude is described as immortal. Now the Son can ship-shape into different forms, but Vitiate has control over multiple bodies at once and all have his power. The Son is a god of Mortis but he isn’t completely immortal, since Anakin just had to cut through his chest with his Lightsaber and he was forever gone. But Vitiate on the other hand has been through the same thing and he’ll just easily come back in another body. P.S. he can effect someone physically while not even in a body. This is just my opinion but with the facts stated I think Vitiate beats the Son Of Mortis with mid-difficulty.
@@HandofOmega well if we look at tenebrae lore the force itself tried to kill him multiple times so yeah he would kick the son, the daughter and the father ass
Vitiate was insanely powerful, not only by consuming billions of lives on Ziost in mere seconds, but also insta killing Darth Marr without even moving a finger. He was like a cockroach, if you don't destroy both his original body and spirit he will comeback.
I still get shivers when thinking about those parts of the Revan novel, that describe just WHAT he did to his home world and the aftermath...and how even SITH realized that he had gone too far and must be stopped! Honestly, while the general public will always think of Palpatine as The Ultimate Star Wars Villain, *we* know...there is another!
Both would resist but Anakin would POSSIBLY be able to fight him off but only by pure raw ability of he could. Palpatine would be about only one with comparable power to consciously resist that other then someone like Yoda or Luke
@JustSomething quite possibly though. If anyone not Ancient an basically a Deity already could fight him or someone/thing like him off they'd have to be on such a tier as Palps, Yoda an like to do it is my guess. To even have the most remote chance. It begs some interesting matchups like could Valk here could dominate the likes of Nihilus BEFORE the Force Vamp basically ate him or maybe could Abeloth take him in a standup, no holds barred fight for both most evil AND most powerful an lethal Force Deity in Star Wars since she's about it to my knowledge. Or say a scenario where he's temporarily "good" IF an Evil aligned character like him even can be good even very briefly could he STILL take over or outside crush unique threats like the Vong for instance the way Sideous was rumored to be preparing to do.. maybe we'll see things like this one day
I might get around to writing up a fanfic one day where Vitiate returns, in the resurrected body of Anakin Solo...Eventually, after causing all sorts of trouble, it comes down to him and Luke...not sure yet how it ends, but Luke does NOT walk away! Hey, he's the greatest Jedi master to ever live, he needs a suitable threat to finally take him out...
@@robertagu5533 yeah in the modern age I only see Anakin out right resisting but that's because his sheer force of will. Palpatine possibly as well since he can tap into the power of all sith throughout history.
Talk about a Galactic beat down... Seems it took the whole Galaxy to finish him once an for all.. Makes me wonder if he'd be as powerful against something like the Ones, Whills, Abeloth an other Force Deities he aspired to be?
Vitiate challenged the will of the force. Sith who do that fail. Look at Plagius and how his efforts to create an apprentice rebounded and created the key to destroying the baneite sith. I don't, however, think it's a matter of power but of goal. Vitiate wanted to kill everything everywhere all at once but stronger sith have existed and not been destroyed by the force. Mostly because they didn't do anything that might harm the force itself, nothing that would forever destroy the balance cycle of light and dark. Zannah and the baneite line until Sidious lived normal lives because their actions did not antagonize the force and did not trigger a backlash. This is why I feel the Je'daii had it right. The jedi are slaves to the force and often foolishly give their lives. The sith seek to master it and get crushed. The Je'daii sought to partner with it and every truly great character in star wars ends up trying to walk their balanced path (even if they don't know it).
No, this manner of death for Tennabre/Viciate/Valkorian make perfect sense. A man who desired everything and believed he was everything ended up with nothing and became nothing.
Darth Vitiate loses pretty badly. However, if he's Valkorion he puts up a very good fight against Abeloth. Valkorion was beyond Sith and Jedi and was on the verge of having celestial-like power
The tale of Valkorion’s destruction is one of the most convoluted and fascinating in the EU. It’s filled with grandiose displays of power, intricate plots, and a blend of personal and galactic stakes. This makes it an incredibly rich and "crazy" story that captivates and challenges the characters involved. But is still stupid tbh.
I feel over 10-15 years they could do 3 KOTOR trilogies based on the original game!! And some of the newer TOR games!! With 1 off anthology movies. Like the 1st could be about the dark Jedi arrival on Korabon and taking over the sith species. Ending with the rise of vitiate!! Darth Tenebrae using that ritual draining all life to make him immortal!! The 1st trilogy is about Revan and Malik in KOTOR 1 just spread out over 3 films. #2 is about Revan leading a Jedi strike team searching for vitiate in the unknown regions while at the same time the Sith empire has made its attack on the republic!! & #3 is the story of the eternal empire!! So with multiple series mini series anthology movies I believe it could beat the infinity saga!! Only of course as long as the trilogy is full planned out and the director works with the story group!! The know alls for Star Wars!!
I mean...Palps didn't die by Anakins hands truly in Canon or Legends. He came back several times in legends before finally being shot by Han and dragged to the afterlife by a dying bouncy ball
I’m pretty sure but I could be wrong but I do remember reading one of the books and it was around phantom menace and it specifically stated the Vitiate was still around
Nooo, pretty sure canon always stated he'd been long dead by then. You *might* be thinking of Darth Plaguis, who was revealed in the novel named after him to have actually been alive by Ep I...
@@HandofOmega what I mean is Before they made EU all non canon and doesn’t exist at all there was a book that specifically stated that he was still alive
I stopped playing SWTOR a while back ... I did the Revan story arc but stopped after that IIRC. Is it worth it to play the Eternal empire campaigns described here?
The fact that it look a massive host of fallen souls in addition to a powerful protagonist [the Outlander] to bring down Valkorian shows what a colossal threat he was. Cosmic Level, and thus a greater threat than Palpatine ever was. Palps wanted to live long and control [I didn't see Last Skywalker, so I don't know if they changed that motivation], whereas Valkorian was confident in being the only thing alive in the Galaxy and possibly the Universe. That being said, I never took my Smuggler to the end game because I could not see him as a being to help bring down such a powerful antagonist lol [I may yet do that eventually though]
You realize that it took all Jedi spirits combined just to drag Sidious back to Chaos (Hell) after he previously casually escaped, right? Sidious is a multi-dimensional threat and the reason the Force created the Chosen One, Sidious was a threat to the Force itself hahah.
Really the only thing I disagree with Gere is that all sith didn't see the force as a self balancing act. Dart Treya did at one point, but lost her way trying to gain power like all sith do. That is why she, as Kreia, tried to ultimately wound and kill the Force itself as she saw it as abhorrent. An all powerful thing who's "will" had killed quadrillions for the sake of its own balance, was a disgusting concept to her
You can learn all this and more by PLAYING the Old Republic mmo lol. Please do, it's celebrating its 10 years this year until next Jan, and is the ONLY Legends property to still be worked on today and I don't want it to become all Disney canon!
@@Gamerafighter76 no palpatine just wasnt as good in essence transfer as vitiate was. Palpatine was a novice in it compared to vitiate who hopped into bodies for 1500 years and even split his soul into voices and children of the emperor. there was no one like vitiate, past or present. he was a once in a history madman who had godlike power and knowledge.
Who's to say he didn't have multiple methods of staying alive. Only a madman such as himself would've had dozens of ways to come back if destroyed. I love the videos about old republic, maybe for a future video talk about the Dread Master's that'd be cool.
Man imagine if the ST used this guy instead on palp again. Coulda even had Rey be his daughter who got away an was hiding idk most people prob won’t know the story from the game so I feel they had a shot to do somthing with it 🤷♂️
NEW VIEWER HERE... question. Where did you get the information about everyone hes ever wronged in the past coming back to destroy him... is it in the MMO or did you yourself create that awsome ending??
Did George Lucas himself come up with most of the legends stuff like this. Characters like Revan Sateal(my goat) and vitiate? How much of a role did he play in makeing the legends story line
tenebrae lost his force abilities and was turned to stone at the end of that battle because that was the action of the force. the gathering of everyone at that fight was enough to hold him off and maybe even drain him to an extent, but it was the force that ended the fight.
I am wondering what would’ve happened if the eternal empire would’ve joined in the middle of the galactic Civil War between the Galactic Empire and the rebel alliance could be eternal fleet destroy the rebellion and the galactic Imperial fleet all together
I know I'll get butchered for saying this by Old Republic fandom but Tenebrae is greatly overhyped, Palpatine's achivements were in fact greater. The guy took over the entire galaxy with no external power of his own and in just a few short years, from the very Republuc that the Sith had always thought, he created the most powerfull and evil Sith-led dictatorship in galactic history. Tenebrae wasn't able to do that, he had to build new empires that would launch wars against the rest of the galaxy but despite living 1500 years he never took it all over. Palpatine also can not be weaker than Tenebrae given the existing Legends lore, where he is outright established as the most powerfull Sith of all. So, OR fans, you can now start yout talk...
The most powerful sith he was not a sith though He had left them long after his 1st body He never wanted to rule the Galaxy either that's the only reason why he didn't he wanted to consume it To then rule the universe
@@poppadnice52 Yes, that was his goal but he never came close to it. He's the greatest essence transfer master in galactic history, I'll give him that and indeed he also dominates when it comes to rituals. But destructive, powerfull rituals nonetheless do not place his own personal organic dark side power qbove that of Palpatine who without any rituals, was able to walk among the most powerfull of the Jedi completely hidden in the force, mindwiped the population of Coruscant, brainwashed every citizen of Byss turning them into mindless slaves, saturated the planet in the dark side basically terraforming it purely with the force and turning it into a nexus and finally unkeashing storms of tge dark side able to tear a planet apart.
@Lytral Not really from scratch, he built the new Sith Empire from the remains of the previous one and Zakkul was already a civilisation, tho through Valkorion he turned it into an actual empire. Nonetheless that is indeed not as impressive as walking among the Jedi without them sensing anything from yoir immense power and singlehandedly manipulating the Galaxy into the blodiest war ever at that point in time finally using it to destroy both the Jedi and the 25000 year old principles that the Republic stood upon.
To be fair palpatine rule looks incredibly weak comparatively to other Sith Lords even if you compare his Sith Lord achievements to ones in Canon and definitely wants in Legends. The empire only lasted for like 20 years. That's it Lords who control the Galaxy for hundreds if not a thousand years.
Sidious' Empire took control of the entire galaxy. Vitiate's empire was pretty small, and the Eternal Empire lost grip of the galaxy faster than Sidious' Empire did.
@ No, but there’s a common misconception about what balance in the Force means. Balance in the Force isn’t 50% Light and 50% Dark. Balance is 100% Light and 0% Dark. Light and Dark isn’t like Yin and Yang. The Light Side is the normal, natural, balanced state of the Force while the Dark Side is a corrupted and twisted version of it.
@TheStarWarsLoremaster Ahhh. I did not realize that. Do you have a video explaining that? Such an important point to understanding this whole universe.
Who was more powerful vitiate or sidious? Keep hearing on videos that sidious was most powerful sith ever but then watch a vid about vitiate and he sounds so much more powerful (I know vitiate left the sith)
EU Sidious perhaps. Canon Sidious probably not. Though just cause someone says Sidious is most powerful Sith doesn't mean he is. It's pretty BS by TOR haters
@@reubzdubz EU Sidious cant win against Tenebrae in any way. Tenebrae belongs to the old remnants of Sith, the Pure Bloods and also from the timeline of the ancient Sith, who were considered to be the most powerful Sith, as quoted by Darth Traya/ Kreia herself: “If you were to face an ancient Sith Lord in combat, you would learn that we are as children playing with toys compared to the prowess of the old masters.” Tenebrae was chosen by Marka Ragnos himself. Tenebrae who dominated the minds of 8000 Sith Lords simultaneously, crushing their resistence and turning them to slaves to his will. A person like Sidious cant compare to that. Sidious wouldnt have survived a time where there were this many Sith Lords, let alone Tenebrae who was essentially immortal.
@@TheStarWarsLoremaster invalid comment. Dark Lord of the Sith Darth Bane believed that beings with a true affinity for Sith magic were few and far between. To him, Sith magic allowed an individual to channel the dark side with maximum effect[7] in ways that he, even as the prophesied "Sith'ari,"[21] was unable to do.[7] "A rare few have a natural affinity for the dark side itself. They can delve into the depths of the Force and summon arcane energies to twist and warp the world around them. They can invoke ancient rituals of the Sith; they can invoke power and unleash terrible spells and dark magics." ―Darth Bane[7]
Do we ever get a canonical ending for her? Last I heard, she left the Order and was hiding out on a planet somewhere (before Yoda made it fashionable, I guess), and I think Darth Malgus had a chat with her there or something? Anything after that?
I doubt he's truly dead if Reven was able to resurrect him any sith idiot would try to do the same imagine if maul did it just so he could have revenge on palpatine maul would be that desperate
Poor Tenebre. , everyone ganged up on him . They were threatened by his superiority , so all of those inferior beings attacked and killed him as a blood thirsty mob .
Palpatine: 1,000 years of prep
Vitiate: 1,000 years of rule
@@gabrielbrennan4149 hahaha
I would not be surprised if he survived in some form, the Sith always do. He says he transcended above it, yet his actions was always Sith.
as long as there is the dark side, the Sith will return.
I've heard a theory that some piece of him resurrected one of Satele's dead students and took their place in the real world
@@konahrikb1578 I've heard Vaylin did something like that.
Vitiate is 100% one the most powerful beings in all of the EU. He managed to live for over a thousand years and cheated death multiple times. And he surly has the force abilities of a god.
Makes you wonder what would happen if he ever met The Son...
He is not casual
@@HandofOmega that’s literally what I thought if vitiate came in contact with the dark side itself how would there dialogue even go and would vitiate try to drain the son
@@Daviyah_yisrael It’d definitely be cool to see. If the two were to fight which would be awesome, I think Vitiate would win. The fight would just be force abilities since both are clearly Force Users and don’t use lightsabers. Vitiate/Valkorion would most likely beat the Son at least in my personal opinion and he could do it by draining the power of the Son. Vitiate was literally able to destroy worlds, corrupt minds, possess multiple Sith, had crazy Force Lighting attacks, and the dude is described as immortal. Now the Son can ship-shape into different forms, but Vitiate has control over multiple bodies at once and all have his power. The Son is a god of Mortis but he isn’t completely immortal, since Anakin just had to cut through his chest with his Lightsaber and he was forever gone. But Vitiate on the other hand has been through the same thing and he’ll just easily come back in another body. P.S. he can effect someone physically while not even in a body. This is just my opinion but with the facts stated I think Vitiate beats the Son Of Mortis with mid-difficulty.
@@HandofOmega well if we look at tenebrae lore the force itself tried to kill him multiple times so yeah he would kick the son, the daughter and the father ass
I love how you’ve been doing old republic content, keep it up
Vitiate was insanely powerful, not only by consuming billions of lives on Ziost in mere seconds, but also insta killing Darth Marr without even moving a finger.
He was like a cockroach, if you don't destroy both his original body and spirit he will comeback.
I still get shivers when thinking about those parts of the Revan novel, that describe just WHAT he did to his home world and the aftermath...and how even SITH realized that he had gone too far and must be stopped! Honestly, while the general public will always think of Palpatine as The Ultimate Star Wars Villain, *we* know...there is another!
Imagine him trying to take over Anakin or Palpatine
Both would resist but Anakin would POSSIBLY be able to fight him off but only by pure raw ability of he could. Palpatine would be about only one with comparable power to consciously resist that other then someone like Yoda or Luke
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@JustSomething quite possibly though. If anyone not Ancient an basically a Deity already could fight him or someone/thing like him off they'd have to be on such a tier as Palps, Yoda an like to do it is my guess. To even have the most remote chance. It begs some interesting matchups like could Valk here could dominate the likes of Nihilus BEFORE the Force Vamp basically ate him or maybe could Abeloth take him in a standup, no holds barred fight for both most evil AND most powerful an lethal Force Deity in Star Wars since she's about it to my knowledge. Or say a scenario where he's temporarily "good" IF an Evil aligned character like him even can be good even very briefly could he STILL take over or outside crush unique threats like the Vong for instance the way Sideous was rumored to be preparing to do.. maybe we'll see things like this one day
I might get around to writing up a fanfic one day where Vitiate returns, in the resurrected body of Anakin Solo...Eventually, after causing all sorts of trouble, it comes down to him and Luke...not sure yet how it ends, but Luke does NOT walk away! Hey, he's the greatest Jedi master to ever live, he needs a suitable threat to finally take him out...
@@robertagu5533 yeah in the modern age I only see Anakin out right resisting but that's because his sheer force of will. Palpatine possibly as well since he can tap into the power of all sith throughout history.
Talk about a Galactic beat down... Seems it took the whole Galaxy to finish him once an for all..
Makes me wonder if he'd be as powerful against something like the Ones, Whills, Abeloth an other Force Deities he aspired to be?
Vitiate challenged the will of the force. Sith who do that fail. Look at Plagius and how his efforts to create an apprentice rebounded and created the key to destroying the baneite sith.
I don't, however, think it's a matter of power but of goal. Vitiate wanted to kill everything everywhere all at once but stronger sith have existed and not been destroyed by the force. Mostly because they didn't do anything that might harm the force itself, nothing that would forever destroy the balance cycle of light and dark.
Zannah and the baneite line until Sidious lived normal lives because their actions did not antagonize the force and did not trigger a backlash.
This is why I feel the Je'daii had it right. The jedi are slaves to the force and often foolishly give their lives. The sith seek to master it and get crushed. The Je'daii sought to partner with it and every truly great character in star wars ends up trying to walk their balanced path (even if they don't know it).
Nah the force definitely punished the Jedi as well. Anakin is the biggest case of that.
No, this manner of death for Tennabre/Viciate/Valkorian make perfect sense. A man who desired everything and believed he was everything ended up with nothing and became nothing.
We all thought he was gone .then they came out with him again....I don't think he's gone for good ..
I love learning about Vitiate
Best villain in all SW games. There's no point where you're not feeling intimidated by his overarching presence.
Vitiate was so OP.
Love the vitiate/valkorion content. Pls keep it up
If Vitiate ran into Abeloth... does he get destroyed? If so how easily?
Darth Vitiate loses pretty badly. However, if he's Valkorion he puts up a very good fight against Abeloth. Valkorion was beyond Sith and Jedi and was on the verge of having celestial-like power
The tale of Valkorion’s destruction is one of the most convoluted and fascinating in the EU. It’s filled with grandiose displays of power, intricate plots, and a blend of personal and galactic stakes. This makes it an incredibly rich and "crazy" story that captivates and challenges the characters involved. But is still stupid tbh.
I feel over 10-15 years they could do 3 KOTOR trilogies based on the original game!! And some of the newer TOR games!! With 1 off anthology movies. Like the 1st could be about the dark Jedi arrival on Korabon and taking over the sith species. Ending with the rise of vitiate!! Darth Tenebrae using that ritual draining all life to make him immortal!! The 1st trilogy is about Revan and Malik in KOTOR 1 just spread out over 3 films. #2 is about Revan leading a Jedi strike team searching for vitiate in the unknown regions while at the same time the Sith empire has made its attack on the republic!! & #3 is the story of the eternal empire!! So with multiple series mini series anthology movies I believe it could beat the infinity saga!! Only of course as long as the trilogy is full planned out and the director works with the story group!! The know alls for Star Wars!!
Dead, but not forgotten.
#LegendsNeverDie 😈
Satele Shan is Rey done RIGHT.
(Kinda wish they'd been able to legally keep her original name of Sunrider, tho)
I mean...Palps didn't die by Anakins hands truly in Canon or Legends. He came back several times in legends before finally being shot by Han and dragged to the afterlife by a dying bouncy ball
I'd like to learn more about the Outlander
I’m pretty sure but I could be wrong but I do remember reading one of the books and it was around phantom menace and it specifically stated the Vitiate was still around
Nooo, pretty sure canon always stated he'd been long dead by then. You *might* be thinking of Darth Plaguis, who was revealed in the novel named after him to have actually been alive by Ep I...
@@HandofOmega what I mean is Before they made EU all non canon and doesn’t exist at all there was a book that specifically stated that he was still alive
Just The Video I've Been Looking For! Kudos!
I stopped playing SWTOR a while back ... I did the Revan story arc but stopped after that IIRC. Is it worth it to play the Eternal empire campaigns described here?
The fact that it look a massive host of fallen souls in addition to a powerful protagonist [the Outlander] to bring down Valkorian shows what a colossal threat he was. Cosmic Level, and thus a greater threat than Palpatine ever was. Palps wanted to live long and control [I didn't see Last Skywalker, so I don't know if they changed that motivation], whereas Valkorian was confident in being the only thing alive in the Galaxy and possibly the Universe. That being said, I never took my Smuggler to the end game because I could not see him as a being to help bring down such a powerful antagonist lol [I may yet do that eventually though]
You realize that it took all Jedi spirits combined just to drag Sidious back to Chaos (Hell) after he previously casually escaped, right?
Sidious is a multi-dimensional threat and the reason the Force created the Chosen One, Sidious was a threat to the Force itself hahah.
What's the scene from 6:10 onwards from?
Greatest Sith Lord ever. Palpatine was nothing compared to him.
Where does all this happen? Video game, book, or comic?
all of it, there are comics, books and video games about it.
kneel before the dragon of zakuul
Imagine if a show or movies were made telling his story. I'd like to think he eventually had a back up of himself somewhere lol.
He is dead. There will be no return for him.
Nice
Really the only thing I disagree with Gere is that all sith didn't see the force as a self balancing act. Dart Treya did at one point, but lost her way trying to gain power like all sith do. That is why she, as Kreia, tried to ultimately wound and kill the Force itself as she saw it as abhorrent. An all powerful thing who's "will" had killed quadrillions for the sake of its own balance, was a disgusting concept to her
Nobody better then Luke skywalker grandfather plagues nobody
You can learn all this and more by PLAYING the Old Republic mmo lol. Please do, it's celebrating its 10 years this year until next Jan, and is the ONLY Legends property to still be worked on today and I don't want it to become all Disney canon!
Can we have a video on ulic qel droma such as his fighting styles and force abilities.
Where can I read all this guys?
Plz make video on all 6 grand droids
if disney brought vitiate back "for some reason" i would not be mad fr
Vitiate is like Palpatine; he keeps coming back.
other way around...and palpatine couldn't get a body that survived.
@@darknoble1151 good point; those bodies weren’t strong enough to hold his power.
@@Gamerafighter76 no palpatine just wasnt as good in essence transfer as vitiate was. Palpatine was a novice in it compared to vitiate who hopped into bodies for 1500 years and even split his soul into voices and children of the emperor. there was no one like vitiate, past or present. he was a once in a history madman who had godlike power and knowledge.
@@Valkyraw fair enough
Who's to say he didn't have multiple methods of staying alive. Only a madman such as himself would've had dozens of ways to come back if destroyed. I love the videos about old republic, maybe for a future video talk about the Dread Master's that'd be cool.
He admires Darth Krayt's resurrection game!
Imagine if Valkorian got the kybersaber.
Man imagine if the ST used this guy instead on palp again. Coulda even had Rey be his daughter who got away an was hiding idk most people prob won’t know the story from the game so I feel they had a shot to do somthing with it 🤷♂️
There’s one character who looks just like Rey in the old republic too
NEW VIEWER HERE... question. Where did you get the information about everyone hes ever wronged in the past coming back to destroy him... is it in the MMO or did you yourself create that awsome ending??
The MMO Star Wars The Old Republic game.
Hi 👋
Shut up
Did George Lucas himself come up with most of the legends stuff like this. Characters like Revan Sateal(my goat) and vitiate? How much of a role did he play in makeing the legends story line
...NNNNNNOOOOOOO
Can someone tell me on how Arcann and his brother's fighting style is?
Hack and slash
tenebrae lost his force abilities and was turned to stone at the end of that battle because that was the action of the force. the gathering of everyone at that fight was enough to hold him off and maybe even drain him to an extent, but it was the force that ended the fight.
John Wick clipped Vitiate because he stole John's car and killed his dog..
I wrecked him.
what game is that in the background wtf?
I am wondering what would’ve happened if the eternal empire would’ve joined in the middle of the galactic Civil War between the Galactic Empire and the rebel alliance could be eternal fleet destroy the rebellion and the galactic Imperial fleet all together
No, the Eternal Empire wasn't all that powerful, especially not compared to the Galactic Empire.
I know I'll get butchered for saying this by Old Republic fandom but Tenebrae is greatly overhyped, Palpatine's achivements were in fact greater. The guy took over the entire galaxy with no external power of his own and in just a few short years, from the very Republuc that the Sith had always thought, he created the most powerfull and evil Sith-led dictatorship in galactic history. Tenebrae wasn't able to do that, he had to build new empires that would launch wars against the rest of the galaxy but despite living 1500 years he never took it all over.
Palpatine also can not be weaker than Tenebrae given the existing Legends lore, where he is outright established as the most powerfull Sith of all.
So, OR fans, you can now start yout talk...
The most powerful sith he was not a sith though He had left them long after his 1st body He never wanted to rule the Galaxy either that's the only reason why he didn't he wanted to consume it To then rule the universe
@@poppadnice52 Yes, that was his goal but he never came close to it. He's the greatest essence transfer master in galactic history, I'll give him that and indeed he also dominates when it comes to rituals.
But destructive, powerfull rituals nonetheless do not place his own personal organic dark side power qbove that of Palpatine who without any rituals, was able to walk among the most powerfull of the Jedi completely hidden in the force, mindwiped the population of Coruscant, brainwashed every citizen of Byss turning them into mindless slaves, saturated the planet in the dark side basically terraforming it purely with the force and turning it into a nexus and finally unkeashing storms of tge dark side able to tear a planet apart.
@Lytral Not really from scratch, he built the new Sith Empire from the remains of the previous one and Zakkul was already a civilisation, tho through Valkorion he turned it into an actual empire. Nonetheless that is indeed not as impressive as walking among the Jedi without them sensing anything from yoir immense power and singlehandedly manipulating the Galaxy into the blodiest war ever at that point in time finally using it to destroy both the Jedi and the 25000 year old principles that the Republic stood upon.
To be fair palpatine rule looks incredibly weak comparatively to other Sith Lords even if you compare his Sith Lord achievements to ones in Canon and definitely wants in Legends. The empire only lasted for like 20 years. That's it Lords who control the Galaxy for hundreds if not a thousand years.
Sidious' Empire took control of the entire galaxy. Vitiate's empire was pretty small, and the Eternal Empire lost grip of the galaxy faster than Sidious' Empire did.
Was Anakin the chosen one? Did he bring balance?
Pretty much, he destroyed the Sith and eradicated the Dark Side.
@TheStarWarsLoremaster
He helped end the Jedi and then the Sith. So to bring balance, was the force seeking some kind of freedom from force weilders?
@ No, but there’s a common misconception about what balance in the Force means. Balance in the Force isn’t 50% Light and 50% Dark. Balance is 100% Light and 0% Dark. Light and Dark isn’t like Yin and Yang. The Light Side is the normal, natural, balanced state of the Force while the Dark Side is a corrupted and twisted version of it.
@TheStarWarsLoremaster
Ahhh. I did not realize that. Do you have a video explaining that? Such an important point to understanding this whole universe.
I have a question do you think some studio will do the old Republic like do this story but in the movie theater?
But how did he turn to stone, that part always confuses me.
We took his power and destroyed the last echo of his spirit. Him turning to stone and crumbling is just his spirit dying for real.
@@TheStarWarsLoremaster Thanks, but do you know how they took his power, because he was super powerful?
Who was more powerful vitiate or sidious? Keep hearing on videos that sidious was most powerful sith ever but then watch a vid about vitiate and he sounds so much more powerful (I know vitiate left the sith)
EU Sidious perhaps. Canon Sidious probably not. Though just cause someone says Sidious is most powerful Sith doesn't mean he is. It's pretty BS by TOR haters
@@reubzdubz EU Sidious cant win against Tenebrae in any way. Tenebrae belongs to the old remnants of Sith, the Pure Bloods and also from the timeline of the ancient Sith, who were considered to be the most powerful Sith, as quoted by Darth Traya/ Kreia herself: “If you were to face an ancient Sith Lord in combat, you would learn that we are as children playing with toys compared to the prowess of the old masters.”
Tenebrae was chosen by Marka Ragnos himself. Tenebrae who dominated the minds of 8000 Sith Lords simultaneously, crushing their resistence and turning them to slaves to his will.
A person like Sidious cant compare to that. Sidious wouldnt have survived a time where there were this many Sith Lords, let alone Tenebrae who was essentially immortal.
@@Valkyraw Absolutely false, Banite Legacy Sith are quite literally stated to be more powerful than Ancient Sith, by a considerable margin.
@@TheStarWarsLoremaster invalid comment.
Dark Lord of the Sith Darth Bane believed that beings with a true affinity for Sith magic were few and far between. To him, Sith magic allowed an individual to channel the dark side with maximum effect[7] in ways that he, even as the prophesied "Sith'ari,"[21] was unable to do.[7]
"A rare few have a natural affinity for the dark side itself. They can delve into the depths of the Force and summon arcane energies to twist and warp the world around them. They can invoke ancient rituals of the Sith; they can invoke power and unleash terrible spells and dark magics."
―Darth Bane[7]
@@Valkyraw Irrelevant statement.
I love Satele shan
but cmon, you can't believe that she managed to destroy the guy who literally broke the galaxy twice without any effort
Granted, she is the granddaughter of Revan and Bastila Shan. So she's no push-over either.
Do we ever get a canonical ending for her? Last I heard, she left the Order and was hiding out on a planet somewhere (before Yoda made it fashionable, I guess), and I think Darth Malgus had a chat with her there or something? Anything after that?
@@Lobsterwithinternet both of her parents got duped by the emperor, Revan...quite a lot of times in fact
He might be back in some form one day. I’m so glad we now have Rey Skywalker to easily deal with such things. Galaxy is safe.
I know you're being sarcastic, but it's still nausea inducing.
I doubt he's truly dead if Reven was able to resurrect him any sith idiot would try to do the same imagine if maul did it just so he could have revenge on palpatine maul would be that desperate
We destroyed his spirit and the last echo of his spirit, he's dead-dead.
I just realized they based bitiate on jordan peterson
Vitiate*
I hope he’s still alive, i love him. Hopefully one day i can see him PICK UP A LIGHTSAVER?!
Poor Tenebre. , everyone ganged up on him .
They were threatened by his superiority , so all of those inferior beings attacked and killed him as a blood thirsty mob .
We need a star wars of the eternal empirre
Not under Disney
I hate to be THAT guy, but you've misspelled his name in the last three videos you've put out about him, It's VALKORION, not VALKORIAN.
Who?
This. This would make a good trilogy.
Disney will ruin it
People would still complain lol
so this is what that crap trilogy was supposed to be? what a lame rip off...they should have made these movies instead
Click bait
Oh grate now you w about this guy wont shut up abt this guy
I think you're being far too charitable in your interpretation. I think it's far less about being shocked and far more about being identified.