Kreia all the way back in 2004: all your decisions have brought you to this point Maul in 2020: every choice you have ever made has led you to this moment So maul has played kotor 2
@@macbeth455 Sam Witwer was also Starkiller in the two Force Unleashed Video games, and since they came out after KotOR II, he must have played it as well.
Maul might have been totally dark-side, but if Ashoka had joined him? There had been balance, and Kreia had been proud. The dark side didn't fail, the light side did.
The Jedi Council of this era was made up of complete hypocrites. Privately in the game they will tell you that they regret exiling you and maybe they should rescind their original judgement but when you get to finally meet them they once again show their arrogance and announce that their judgement remains the same. You would think that after two very disastrous wars, and a Jedi purge the Council would of learned something but they didn't.
Chris Avellone, the main writer felt that Star wars was a very black and white almost hypocritcal series in the lore deparment when regarding sith and jedi. I felt adding in these sort of themes were his attempt to realise morality within the star wars universe.
One interesting note to speak on behalf of the council however is this; They very likely were right to be inactive during the Mandlorian wars, and to heed the Jedi to not intervene because they sensed that the real threat, the one behind the mandalore conflicts had yet to reveal themself, it was only after Revan defeated Mandalore the Great that he came to understand this.
Nothing in KOTOR2 is supposed to be so cut and dried. The Jedi Council's failing wasn't that they were hypocritical, it's that their world view was too narrow. To the Jedi, life and the Force are inextricably intertwined, so the Exile, who is able to act outside of the fatalistic influence of the Force, and affecting nearby beings who are in tune with it, is dangerous. All they can see is a lifeless, disruptive husk, capable of disrupting the natural order which is central to their beliefs. The Council's failing is that they were unable to step back and consider that perhaps the Force isn't equivalent to life. From their perspective, they were genuinely trying to take the most effective course of action in defeating the Sith and preserving life, but their ideology kept them from conceiving that their might be a bigger picture. Kreia is intended to be a sympathetic character, but she's also not "the good guy". She didn't kill those three masters because their misguidance would cause more evil, she killed them because they failed to appreciate, and endangered, the manifestation and vindication of her ideals--the Exile. All she cares about is shaping the Exile to be free of conflicts and disharmony, so s/he can be able to act without the weight of regret. There's a reason why her alignment is pure grey.
I’ve still never played a game with so much philosophical depth before, and probably never will again....which is sad in a way. KOTOR got me into gaming by combining interesting characters and combat system with an alluring story filled with mystery. This game though...was amazing....but also immensely frustrating. Not only because it was so obviously incomplete, but because it likely will be the last kind of game with this sort of storytelling and depth. learning that the production was rushed merely to fit it into the Xbox life cycle instead of spending the extra time to port the game for the 360 and finish it was painful. I used to read some Star Wars EU fiction as a kid, and none of it gets close to this games depth and characters. There’s so much depth in this game. No true villain, but a self discovery for both the player and character to try and understand the motivations of all the characters. The Jedi council. Kreia. None of them are truly wrong. All are justified both by their words and in their hearts. That’s what makes this whole scene so intriguing. That every motivation has nuance. That your leveling up and getting stronger is actually an important plot point of the game and not merely a mechanism. That the worlds travelled have a level of realistic grittiness and depression, yet hopefulness at the same time. That the factions and side quests encountered have realistic implications (such as the Ithorians and Czerka). That the mystery of the entire game has a larger purpose that leads into the first game, and really expands on the motivations of Revan, setting up such an intriguing sequel that really opens up the imagination to completely new possibilities. Maybe no game will ever reach this sort of elevated writing, but I can always replay KOTOR 2. It’s the closest I’ll get to where I think games could really achieve (a better storytelling medium than even books).
You should check out Planescape: Torment and Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of the Betrayer expansion, if you haven't already. The former was written by Chris Avellone, who was the lead on this game, and is considered his magnum opus. The latter is a fantasy story that is almost a retelling of Kotor 2, but greatly expanding on the concept of an entity that can devour the 'force'
_It is said that the Force has a will, it has a destiny for us all. I wield it, but it uses us all, and that is abhorrent to me. Because I hate the Force. I hate that it seems to have a will, that it would control us to achieve some measure of balance, when countless lives are lost. But in you… I see the potential to see the Force die, to turn away from its will. And that is what pleases me. You are beautiful to me, exile. A dead spot in the Force, an emptiness in which its will might be denied._ There is no balance, turn away from the Force.
Only through the sacrifices of many Jedi Will the Order cleanse the sins done to the nameless. For the danger of the past is not past, but sleeps in an egg. There will come a day, when the egg will hatch, And when it does, it will threaten the galaxy entire. When the Force itself sickens, past and future must split and combine. A Chosen One shall come, born of no father, And through him will the danger be destroyed And ultimate balance in the Force be restored. So Anakin brought balance to the Force. There is balance now.
Somehow it was even more poignant where you chose the darker path, defeating each master as you found them, taking their secrets. Then you are promised all that remains of the Jedi will be awaiting you in the ruins on Dantooine. When you finally make your way there, you cautiously enter the overgrown courtyard . . . only to find it quite empty. The music reaches a soft crescendo of nigh unbearable regret and loss. And the courtyard remains empty save for the sounds of the birds and insects because, while all that remains of the Jedi is there, nothing of the Jedi remains.
Meetra Surik is definitely a tragic heroine. The horrors she committed in a battle that won a war ultimately became a sickness that bred a brand new type of enemy. Proof that the legacies We Leave Behind are not always those that we intend
Yea she went to fight the mandalorians for the right reasons and the tragedy of Malachor V echoed within her for the rest of her life. And from the tragedy of malachor the monster that is nihilus was born
@@aamirrazak3467 also Darth Traya and Darth Sion were inspired by what she did to form their own little group. Remember these new Sith learned how to operate by watching her in the Mandalorian Wars.
@@mattgerrish908 yes and they also learned from what Revan did in the mandalorian wars as well. I believe he found the Trayus academy during the wars and helped form a group of hidden Sith he would take control of following the wars end
It's a shame that some of the dialogue scenes here were cut from the game because they make the Jedi Council scene much more powerful and emphasise the connection the Exile had with his/her companions. If LucasArts hadn't been such control freaks to Obsidian and rushed them into releasing the game early, this could've been a masterpiece of a game and regarded as even better than the first one. I still love KOTOR 2 for sure but it needs to be rereleased with all this content restored (I know there are mods that have the content but I mean a proper rerelease of the game with all of it on the disc)
fans are driving Bioware crazy to do just that. Systems nowadays can certainly handle it, I would love to see a remaster of both KOTOR games, sell it in a 2-disc set
The opening scene with Kreia is really touching, she has traveled with the exile halfway across the galaxy, having her hand cut of and fighting with people half her age and still she never complained that she was to tired or worn out. And here we see it has taken it's toll as she finally lets herself rest one last time before the final battle. ❤
Grey Jedi is much more like what Luke was after the end of the trilogy. Using anger to achieve force lightning but not letting it consume you. Maintaining close family ties or give you something to fight for.
Keira was spot on. The Jedi Council was so arrogant. Even after you go through all this pain to reassemble the council, finding them and trying to help them, for them to give you the same judgement felt like a slap in the face. I loved what she told all 3 of them, pointing out how they were so close to something and yet couldn't see it. I just finished this game and the restored content seems to fill out a lot of missing gaps that left me curious. Thank you for this video.
The Masters were not killed by their life being drained, but their connection to the Force completely cut off. They died of the shock of not having it.
Not exactly... just imagine you not being able to see, to feel, to smell, to hear, to taste... All your senses cut down to a very small fraction compared to when using the Force. Your body would probably think it is death... cuz what else would it be? Furthermore, the Force itself is a leech... and forcefully removing a leech is dangerous in and of itself... It's latched onto life, and it won't yield its hold easily.
I believe that Kreia gave them a choice... give up the force and live like what the exile did or cling to it and die like a majority of the Jedi at Malachor 5 did
I love these animal and nature sounds in the background, seems like they aren't in the versions I have played, but they contribute greatly to the atmosphere
I remember for the first time playing this game with the TSLRCM, I was hoping that at this point in time of the game the jedi masters would give the exile a second chance and unite against the Sith with the mandalorians, and I still see that playing as the light side just to bust myself to go meet these jedi masters separately on different planets is pointless after they refuse to give you a second chance.
In light of what Zez Kai-Ell and Kavar said previously, yet having no strength nor conviction to back it up...in time what this shows me is they are even more fearful than you were, and not smarter for their time. If the remaining jedi council is this far fallen and making such judgement from ignorances, then perhaps it's just as well they met this end. They were supposed to learn to understand, not stay recoiled with fear. "Let that which the pretender fears consume him" --Darth Andeddu
Actually not true. I always start with Nar Shadaa and I can usually adhere to the dark side but not fight Zez Kai-Ell. Which leads to him being the only master present on Dantooine. By that point I’m god tier and easily annihilate him.
@@bradcarver8127I wasn't talking about that. I mean from a philosophical point on their stances. However... The enclave fight on dantooine they all get nerfed for the sake of story. Vrook Lamar is the toughest in Khoonda. Kavar has no survivability and he doesn't deal damage enough to make up for it... Zez Kai-Ell is about the same as Kavar, but if you should choose to fight him on nar shaddaa last, the only time he was strong enough to one-shot you is using critical strike with Juyo. However his force resistance will be pathetic. I think you can fight all 3 if you choose early on. In the enclave dialogue.
In the xbox version I always thought it was odd that she kills the masters first then talks to basically no one cause the exile is unconscious and the masters dead. This version is better because they die at the end.
While looking at this restored content I notice how much more alive it looks than the original version. It is a shame that all of the assets, including recorded dialogs, 3D models and animations, were already present in the game data and the only reason they were not programmed into was because of the development team's deadlines.
I think the released version was still good! There were a few major plot points left unanswered (HK Factory, where are all your friends in Malachor?), but as a whole it was a slightly different experience. It was a lot darker, and more solitary, but I think that has its merits as well. There are also a couple conversations which would definitely have been cut in post-production. Atris's conversation after you whoop her ass had some non-sequiturs, and here the Jedi Council just chillin and smokin a J while Kreia lectures them is a little unbelievable. Still, the atmosphere and voice acting here is so lovely that I think this scene is fine.
Cape?, do you mean a her hood? Actually my mod will add an unhooded Traya (Kreia) and all animatioms from their models and about new model unhanded aka Kreia evil No hands
I remember meeting a kid who thought the new expanded universe was better than the old one and then I showed him this scene and it changed his mind completely.
i know thsi game is all about the gray Jedi philoshophy that Kreia preached about. but i still thnik the Jedi way is sttill the most responsible option for a force user
Dimos Eustratiou it wasn't necessarily grey Jedi mentality. It was more exploring deeper than what was presented to you, even on an existential level. That's why Kreia is one of my favorite Star Wars characters
Egyetértek, különösen akkor van súlya az egésznek amikor a végén kérdőre von a boszorkány, hogy elégedettséget érzel e attól, hogy lemészároltad a Jedi mestereket és közli veled, hogy kudarcot vallottál neki.
I really wish they would make a remastered version with all the content restored for PlayStation and Xbox I pay up to $1,000 for that game completely restored no joke that's how much I love that game
The Lost Jedi were assholes in this game, but it was necessary. The Jedi Exile was referred to as the Death of the Force. When she committed genocide at Malachor V killing countless Mandalorians along with her own soldiers, she could literally hear all the thousands of individuals dying in horrible horrible agony. She was in the vicinity and she was literally rendered deaf to the force because it is truly impossible for a Force-Sensitive to hear the force over such unlimited pain. As the Jedi had said Malachor was a Crucible for the exile and many potential others that wanted to learn how to unconsciously feed on the life force of others thus getting stronger in the Force and transmitting all of their horrible pain into your fighting style. Because of that hell that she turned the planet into, Darth Revan used that site to corrupt countless Jedi and other regular individuals to his side. He then used the Star Forge to corrupt and make an invincible Sith Armada. The Jedi Exile's actions had literally taught this new breed of Sith everything they need to know on how to kill the Force. The man who would become Darth nihilus was one of the only survivors on Malachor V. Now imagine being able to unconsciously control literally everyone and have people follow you when you only intended to help everyone. This is why all of the bonds you make in the game mean nothing at the end and you have to live in self-imposed Exile at the end. Now I am starting to see some parallels that they made with Luke's character in The Last Jedi namely the self-imposed Exile part.
Then perhaps now you can see the horrid butchering of this legacy IN that reference. The Exile witnessed... something impossible, as well as, being the catalyst of it... THAT is what it took, the sheer amount is... mind-boggling, and yet the Disney versions of "cutting ones self from the Force" is "because I saw one dude being bit EEVOL". How could one equate the massacre, NOT instant massacre, mind you, to a single fleeting moment? How could one even imagine to say that they are equal? Furthermore, do you recall WHY the Exile can feel the Force? I keep saying that The Force is a leech, it's not intrinsic to life, as life was there before the Force, and it will be there after it. It's been mentioned in KotOR I that it can do so, and there were signs in the movies themselves of a similar event. But coming back to the Exile, the cut was permanent, she DOESN'T feel the Force, no... she's tied to those around her, she's alive THROUGH them, and through that life bond, LITERAL life-bond, she feels the winds of the Force, and through them as well, manipulates the Force. If Nihilus used the attachments to drain the life, the Exile method was tethering. Making a sort of "net" using the bonds she made. She's not stronger just because of the death she caused, but because of the forging of those bonds through the actions in the game.
Nihilus They JUST fixed this, there is a nice ass new update to the game now, it even works with the restored content mod - I am literally about to boot it up and try it out!!!!!!!!!!! (I already noticed it goes to 1680 X 1050 Widescreen Res)
What about when kreia says " it was because .. you had no choice" .. what is the deal with that. I have looked for videos but haven't seen that version. Anyone able to enlighten me? lol
cofside I believe she says that when your character has a dark sided alignment. It's incredibly rare to see that line because most players who save the Jedi Masters do so on light sided playthroughs, but it's entirely possible to do a dark sided playthrough while saving them.
thanks for the response. What you say is probably right, I don't understand fully that much of this part of the game. The other thing Kreia says here is that "you were afraid" .. not sure I get that. So I suppose the dark side one says "had no choice" is there a third ? I have dissected this game , play through with every conceivable method to see if I can unlock everything. IF you have done this too lets keep in touch.
such a waste that they never finished properly this game instead we received an online version of shit....wander who was the company hiring obsidian for this, they should receive force crush for not allowing to finish the game....
Can you please help me? I installed Restored content mod 1.8.2 and the M4-78 planet mod, and whenever I try to get inside the enclave to meet the council, I get a cutscene, where Colonel Tobin informs Nihilus about Telos, And when the cutscene finishes it starts over again again again AND AGAIN! I can only escape with ctrl alt delete Could you please help me? it would be much appreciated!
What the Council is saying, is that after Malachor V, and the huge wound caused with the deaths of tens of thousands of Jedi, Republic soldiers and Mandalorians, and along the journey, as more and more people get killed by Meetra, she gets stronger as the hunger inside her becomes satisfied.
![Kreia on Dantooine [Dark Side]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/25lm3cxnF8k/mqdefault.jpg)
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Kreia all the way back in 2004: all your decisions have brought you to this point
Maul in 2020: every choice you have ever made has led you to this moment
So maul has played kotor 2
@The Wrestler uhhhh clone wars season 7 right before he fought ashoka
It was even in the trailer
I'm sure Sam witwer the voice actor has
@@macbeth455 Sam Witwer was also Starkiller in the two Force Unleashed Video games, and since they came out after KotOR II, he must have played it as well.
Sounds kinda like a… DISNEY MOVE-
Maul might have been totally dark-side, but if Ashoka had joined him? There had been balance, and Kreia had been proud.
The dark side didn't fail, the light side did.
I never really noticed until this scene, but...Holy cow! the voice acting in this game is incredible! Especially Kreia's.
The Jedi Council of this era was made up of complete hypocrites. Privately in the game they will tell you that they regret exiling you and maybe they should rescind their original judgement but when you get to finally meet them they once again show their arrogance and announce that their judgement remains the same. You would think that after two very disastrous wars, and a Jedi purge the Council would of learned something but they didn't.
+Rawtheran Gotta love how Kreia calls them out on it.
Chris Avellone, the main writer felt that Star wars was a very black and white almost hypocritcal series in the lore deparment when regarding sith and jedi. I felt adding in these sort of themes were his attempt to realise morality within the star wars universe.
One interesting note to speak on behalf of the council however is this; They very likely were right to be inactive during the Mandlorian wars, and to heed the Jedi to not intervene because they sensed that the real threat, the one behind the mandalore conflicts had yet to reveal themself, it was only after Revan defeated Mandalore the Great that he came to understand this.
Nothing in KOTOR2 is supposed to be so cut and dried. The Jedi Council's failing wasn't that they were hypocritical, it's that their world view was too narrow. To the Jedi, life and the Force are inextricably intertwined, so the Exile, who is able to act outside of the fatalistic influence of the Force, and affecting nearby beings who are in tune with it, is dangerous. All they can see is a lifeless, disruptive husk, capable of disrupting the natural order which is central to their beliefs. The Council's failing is that they were unable to step back and consider that perhaps the Force isn't equivalent to life. From their perspective, they were genuinely trying to take the most effective course of action in defeating the Sith and preserving life, but their ideology kept them from conceiving that their might be a bigger picture.
Kreia is intended to be a sympathetic character, but she's also not "the good guy". She didn't kill those three masters because their misguidance would cause more evil, she killed them because they failed to appreciate, and endangered, the manifestation and vindication of her ideals--the Exile. All she cares about is shaping the Exile to be free of conflicts and disharmony, so s/he can be able to act without the weight of regret. There's a reason why her alignment is pure grey.
ikr? I wanted to hug her for saying and doing exactly what I was thinking and wanted to do for so damn long
"What was Jedi is Sith, and what was Sith is Jedi." One of the best cut lines ever.
I’ve still never played a game with so much philosophical depth before, and probably never will again....which is sad in a way. KOTOR got me into gaming by combining interesting characters and combat system with an alluring story filled with mystery.
This game though...was amazing....but also immensely frustrating. Not only because it was so obviously incomplete, but because it likely will be the last kind of game with this sort of storytelling and depth.
learning that the production was rushed merely to fit it into the Xbox life cycle instead of spending the extra time to port the game for the 360 and finish it was painful. I used to read some Star Wars EU fiction as a kid, and none of it gets close to this games depth and characters.
There’s so much depth in this game. No true villain, but a self discovery for both the player and character to try and understand the motivations of all the characters. The Jedi council. Kreia. None of them are truly wrong. All are justified both by their words and in their hearts.
That’s what makes this whole scene so intriguing. That every motivation has nuance. That your leveling up and getting stronger is actually an important plot point of the game and not merely a mechanism. That the worlds travelled have a level of realistic grittiness and depression, yet hopefulness at the same time. That the factions and side quests encountered have realistic implications (such as the Ithorians and Czerka). That the mystery of the entire game has a larger purpose that leads into the first game, and really expands on the motivations of Revan, setting up such an intriguing sequel that really opens up the imagination to completely new possibilities.
Maybe no game will ever reach this sort of elevated writing, but I can always replay KOTOR 2. It’s the closest I’ll get to where I think games could really achieve (a better storytelling medium than even books).
You should check out Planescape: Torment and Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of the Betrayer expansion, if you haven't already. The former was written by Chris Avellone, who was the lead on this game, and is considered his magnum opus. The latter is a fantasy story that is almost a retelling of Kotor 2, but greatly expanding on the concept of an entity that can devour the 'force'
Sadly u may be right.
There will never be a game,starwars or otherwise, that will be so in-depth at storytelling like this.
@@element1111 Don't forget Legacy of Kain.
Yes KOTOR 2s writing and story are just phenomenal and it’s unlikely any future Star Wars content will approach it in terms of depth
The fact you think this shallow ‘philosophy’ is deeper than books shows how few books you’ve read
_It is said that the Force has a will, it has a destiny for us all. I wield it, but it uses us all, and that is abhorrent to me. Because I hate the Force. I hate that it seems to have a will, that it would control us to achieve some measure of balance, when countless lives are lost. But in you… I see the potential to see the Force die, to turn away from its will. And that is what pleases me. You are beautiful to me, exile. A dead spot in the Force, an emptiness in which its will might be denied._
There is no balance, turn away from the Force.
Only through the sacrifices of many Jedi
Will the Order cleanse the sins done to the nameless.
For the danger of the past is not past, but sleeps in an egg.
There will come a day, when the egg will hatch,
And when it does, it will threaten the galaxy entire.
When the Force itself sickens, past and future must split and combine.
A Chosen One shall come, born of no father,
And through him will the danger be destroyed
And ultimate balance in the Force be restored.
So Anakin brought balance to the Force. There is balance now.
Somehow it was even more poignant where you chose the darker path, defeating each master as you found them, taking their secrets.
Then you are promised all that remains of the Jedi will be awaiting you in the ruins on Dantooine.
When you finally make your way there, you cautiously enter the overgrown courtyard . . . only to find it quite empty. The music reaches a soft crescendo of nigh unbearable regret and loss.
And the courtyard remains empty save for the sounds of the birds and insects because, while all that remains of the Jedi is there, nothing of the Jedi remains.
It hurts so bad when this happens. Well said.
Meetra Surik is definitely a tragic heroine. The horrors she committed in a battle that won a war ultimately became a sickness that bred a brand new type of enemy. Proof that the legacies We Leave Behind are not always those that we intend
Yea she went to fight the mandalorians for the right reasons and the tragedy of Malachor V echoed within her for the rest of her life. And from the tragedy of malachor the monster that is nihilus was born
@@aamirrazak3467 also Darth Traya and Darth Sion were inspired by what she did to form their own little group. Remember these new Sith learned how to operate by watching her in the Mandalorian Wars.
@@mattgerrish908 yes and they also learned from what Revan did in the mandalorian wars as well. I believe he found the Trayus academy during the wars and helped form a group of hidden Sith he would take control of following the wars end
The real tragedy is how Bioware tossed her aside. She was an interesting character and had more character than Revan.
@@cancergrapefruit8873 True true
It's a shame that some of the dialogue scenes here were cut from the game because they make the Jedi Council scene much more powerful and emphasise the connection the Exile had with his/her companions. If LucasArts hadn't been such control freaks to Obsidian and rushed them into releasing the game early, this could've been a masterpiece of a game and regarded as even better than the first one. I still love KOTOR 2 for sure but it needs to be rereleased with all this content restored (I know there are mods that have the content but I mean a proper rerelease of the game with all of it on the disc)
fans are driving Bioware crazy to do just that. Systems nowadays can certainly handle it, I would love to see a remaster of both KOTOR games, sell it in a 2-disc set
Obsidian seems to have conveniently bad luck when it comes to other ip's.
That line that Bao-Dor says is all the more reason why the content shouldn't have been cut.
Uh all of this is in the base game. None of this is restored content
@@Dxtrrr This and New Vegas. Their Magnum Opus and both had less then two years of prep time.
The opening scene with Kreia is really touching, she has traveled with the exile halfway across the galaxy, having her hand cut of and fighting with people half her age and still she never complained that she was to tired or worn out.
And here we see it has taken it's toll as she finally lets herself rest one last time before the final battle. ❤
Sara Kestelman is amazing throughout the game, but in this scene she reaches the top. Absolutely amazing performance!
They need to either make a movie about Kotor or remaster the games. Starwars fans are starving for content like this
I'd rather not waste time on making a remaster, I would rather make KOTOR 3, maybe even with an option that turns old graphics on
Grey Jedi is much more like what Luke was after the end of the trilogy.
Using anger to achieve force lightning but not letting it consume you. Maintaining close family ties or give you something to fight for.
+Craig Halstead lol
I know it has been 5 years but Kreia is not a gray jedi.
I would like to be a Jedi who followed no code except for my own and use any power I can get my hands on it just as long as it is of use for me
Even Luke said the Grey Jedi are no path as well. There is no middle ground for cancer, there is the Force and The Dark Side.
@@troo_6656 More or less a Gray sith imo. She has sith motives but isnt consumed by their ideals.
Keira was spot on. The Jedi Council was so arrogant. Even after you go through all this pain to reassemble the council, finding them and trying to help them, for them to give you the same judgement felt like a slap in the face. I loved what she told all 3 of them, pointing out how they were so close to something and yet couldn't see it. I just finished this game and the restored content seems to fill out a lot of missing gaps that left me curious. Thank you for this video.
The Masters were not killed by their life being drained, but their connection to the Force completely cut off. They died of the shock of not having it.
Not exactly... just imagine you not being able to see, to feel, to smell, to hear, to taste... All your senses cut down to a very small fraction compared to when using the Force. Your body would probably think it is death... cuz what else would it be? Furthermore, the Force itself is a leech... and forcefully removing a leech is dangerous in and of itself... It's latched onto life, and it won't yield its hold easily.
I believe that Kreia gave them a choice... give up the force and live like what the exile did or cling to it and die like a majority of the Jedi at Malachor 5 did
I love these animal and nature sounds in the background, seems like they aren't in the versions I have played, but they contribute greatly to the atmosphere
I remember for the first time playing this game with the TSLRCM, I was hoping that at this point in time of the game the jedi masters would give the exile a second chance and unite against the Sith with the mandalorians, and I still see that playing as the light side just to bust myself to go meet these jedi masters separately on different planets is pointless after they refuse to give you a second chance.
That’s why I murder the shit out of them during the first encounters.
In light of what Zez Kai-Ell and Kavar said previously, yet having no strength nor conviction to back it up...in time what this shows me is they are even more fearful than you were, and not smarter for their time. If the remaining jedi council is this far fallen and making such judgement from ignorances, then perhaps it's just as well they met this end. They were supposed to learn to understand, not stay recoiled with fear.
"Let that which the pretender fears consume him" --Darth Andeddu
Actually not true. I always start with Nar Shadaa and I can usually adhere to the dark side but not fight Zez Kai-Ell. Which leads to him being the only master present on Dantooine. By that point I’m god tier and easily annihilate him.
@@bradcarver8127I wasn't talking about that. I mean from a philosophical point on their stances. However...
The enclave fight on dantooine they all get nerfed for the sake of story.
Vrook Lamar is the toughest in Khoonda. Kavar has no survivability and he doesn't deal damage enough to make up for it... Zez Kai-Ell is about the same as Kavar, but if you should choose to fight him on nar shaddaa last, the only time he was strong enough to one-shot you is using critical strike with Juyo. However his force resistance will be pathetic.
I think you can fight all 3 if you choose early on. In the enclave dialogue.
I was saying not true to my own previous comment. I agree with your statements. I love the philosophy and thought provoking nature of this game.
In the xbox version I always thought it was odd that she kills the masters first then talks to basically no one cause the exile is unconscious and the masters dead. This version is better because they die at the end.
In 0:06 the music sounds like VHS casette.
While looking at this restored content I notice how much more alive it looks than the original version. It is a shame that all of the assets, including recorded dialogs, 3D models and animations, were already present in the game data and the only reason they were not programmed into was because of the development team's deadlines.
I think the released version was still good! There were a few major plot points left unanswered (HK Factory, where are all your friends in Malachor?), but as a whole it was a slightly different experience. It was a lot darker, and more solitary, but I think that has its merits as well. There are also a couple conversations which would definitely have been cut in post-production. Atris's conversation after you whoop her ass had some non-sequiturs, and here the Jedi Council just chillin and smokin a J while Kreia lectures them is a little unbelievable. Still, the atmosphere and voice acting here is so lovely that I think this scene is fine.
@@Creixhitme yep
i was in love with handmaiden
I love KOTOR 2 in orginal, that will be intresting to play with Content Mod
Is Kreia removing her cape part of the mod? I double checked my version for this. What the hell, it makes the scene way more powerful.
Cape?, do you mean a her hood? Actually my mod will add an unhooded Traya (Kreia) and all animatioms from their models and about new model unhanded aka Kreia evil No hands
Yes it is, the whole point was she hid behind the hood like a shadow, then she reveals herself to the Jedi by removing the hood
She is difficult to see, she is like a shadow of the excile...
12:49 Somewhere Nihilus is starving now, and she didn't even share ...
In this particular part of the game you can truly feel how truly tired she is
I remember meeting a kid who thought the new expanded universe was better than the old one and then I showed him this scene and it changed his mind completely.
Oh man this looks SO amazing with the extra content!
Damn powerful stuff I need to reinstall my SL disk and then download the restored content.
This moment really hurt when I was a kid playing it.
The character reminds me of Kelly Clarkson
i know thsi game is all about the gray Jedi philoshophy that Kreia preached about. but i still thnik the Jedi way is sttill the most responsible option for a force user
The dark side is the most useful. power and freedom and domination, that is what I admire of it.
Dimos Eustratiou it wasn't necessarily grey Jedi mentality. It was more exploring deeper than what was presented to you, even on an existential level. That's why Kreia is one of my favorite Star Wars characters
try the way of the Bendu :D
they are too blind
FOR KOTOR 2 MAC cant i just install mods straight from steam like thr restored content mod?
Hey there do you by chance remember what you used to record this? I've tried different ones and they all seem to crash and fail
Yes! Kavar said this, I saw ZKE do this.
That scene is much better if you are DS. In LS this just only frustrating.
Egyetértek, különösen akkor van súlya az egésznek amikor a végén kérdőre von a boszorkány, hogy elégedettséget érzel e attól, hogy lemészároltad a Jedi mestereket és közli veled, hogy kudarcot vallottál neki.
so bao Durr did what Darth tenebrous couldn't
Huh?
I would love a remastered version of Kotor 1 and 2
KOTOR1 remaster is in the works currently
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I always thought it was bs she kills them no matter what.
I really wish they would make a remastered version with all the content restored for PlayStation and Xbox I pay up to $1,000 for that game completely restored no joke that's how much I love that game
You have heard they are doing a remake right? No details yet, and its probably KOTOR1 only, but we can hope we get one for kotor2(and it doesn't suck)
@@GentleMoth I heard but supposedly it's only for PlayStation 5 and not Xbox
The Lost Jedi were assholes in this game, but it was necessary. The Jedi Exile was referred to as the Death of the Force. When she committed genocide at Malachor V killing countless Mandalorians along with her own soldiers, she could literally hear all the thousands of individuals dying in horrible horrible agony. She was in the vicinity and she was literally rendered deaf to the force because it is truly impossible for a Force-Sensitive to hear the force over such unlimited pain. As the Jedi had said Malachor was a Crucible for the exile and many potential others that wanted to learn how to unconsciously feed on the life force of others thus getting stronger in the Force and transmitting all of their horrible pain into your fighting style. Because of that hell that she turned the planet into, Darth Revan used that site to corrupt countless Jedi and other regular individuals to his side. He then used the Star Forge to corrupt and make an invincible Sith Armada. The Jedi Exile's actions had literally taught this new breed of Sith everything they need to know on how to kill the Force. The man who would become Darth nihilus was one of the only survivors on Malachor V. Now imagine being able to unconsciously control literally everyone and have people follow you when you only intended to help everyone. This is why all of the bonds you make in the game mean nothing at the end and you have to live in self-imposed Exile at the end. Now I am starting to see some parallels that they made with Luke's character in The Last Jedi namely the self-imposed Exile part.
Then perhaps now you can see the horrid butchering of this legacy IN that reference. The Exile witnessed... something impossible, as well as, being the catalyst of it... THAT is what it took, the sheer amount is... mind-boggling, and yet the Disney versions of "cutting ones self from the Force" is "because I saw one dude being bit EEVOL". How could one equate the massacre, NOT instant massacre, mind you, to a single fleeting moment? How could one even imagine to say that they are equal?
Furthermore, do you recall WHY the Exile can feel the Force? I keep saying that The Force is a leech, it's not intrinsic to life, as life was there before the Force, and it will be there after it. It's been mentioned in KotOR I that it can do so, and there were signs in the movies themselves of a similar event. But coming back to the Exile, the cut was permanent, she DOESN'T feel the Force, no... she's tied to those around her, she's alive THROUGH them, and through that life bond, LITERAL life-bond, she feels the winds of the Force, and through them as well, manipulates the Force.
If Nihilus used the attachments to drain the life, the Exile method was tethering. Making a sort of "net" using the bonds she made. She's not stronger just because of the death she caused, but because of the forging of those bonds through the actions in the game.
Never mind, I solved the problem with teleport cheat
if this game was made in 2018 man
it would be filled with social justice, low quality storyline and over the top graphics
@@pusspuss9580 True :(
People wouldnt play it because they're buying the 6000th madden game and spending 500 dollars on fortnite skins
And the resolution for this game is so bad. It's hard to find a working setup on PC.
Nihilus They JUST fixed this, there is a nice ass new update to the game now, it even works with the restored content mod - I am literally about to boot it up and try it out!!!!!!!!!!! (I already noticed it goes to 1680 X 1050 Widescreen Res)
Apparently it goes to 4k
I'm happy to play in 1080... I'm just currently stuck in Witcher 3.
Nihilus
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I've never played FF, doesn't really interest me.
What about when kreia says " it was because .. you had no choice" .. what is the deal with that. I have looked for videos but haven't seen that version. Anyone able to enlighten me? lol
cofside I believe she says that when your character has a dark sided alignment. It's incredibly rare to see that line because most players who save the Jedi Masters do so on light sided playthroughs, but it's entirely possible to do a dark sided playthrough while saving them.
thanks for the response. What you say is probably right, I don't understand fully that much of this part of the game. The other thing Kreia says here is that "you were afraid" .. not sure I get that. So I suppose the dark side one says "had no choice" is there a third ? I have dissected this game , play through with every conceivable method to see if I can unlock everything. IF you have done this too lets keep in touch.
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i used the mod but whenever i try to go here i get a black screen
"And in the end I am nothing". Just like this game.
such a waste that they never finished properly this game instead we received an online version of shit....wander who was the company hiring obsidian for this, they should receive force crush for not allowing to finish the game....
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@@maleexile9053 14 month of development
Can you please help me? I installed Restored content mod 1.8.2 and the M4-78 planet mod, and whenever I try to get inside the enclave to meet the council, I get a cutscene, where Colonel Tobin informs Nihilus about Telos, And when the cutscene finishes it starts over again again again AND AGAIN! I can only escape with ctrl alt delete
Could you please help me? it would be much appreciated!
Did u try turning it off and turning it back on?
Where was visas?
What the Council is saying, is that after Malachor V, and the huge wound caused with the deaths of tens of thousands of Jedi, Republic soldiers and Mandalorians, and along the journey, as more and more people get killed by Meetra, she gets stronger as the hunger inside her becomes satisfied.
Bioware made Star Wars into something so dark in this game lol
Bioware didn't make this game, it was Obsidian Entertainment.
And this is by FAR the best Star Wars story Ever told !
This scene is far better on the light side path. The dark side path its a waste of time since the masters are already dead.