The lack of fsr2 on consoles seems like a weird omission. It would have improved image quality as well as helped the game hit a more consistent 60 or 30
@@tbunreallFSR tends to be messy with moving stuff yes, but usually it's more on grass and transparent stuff. Solid textures isn't that bad at all. Also this game can be very CPU Intensive, so probably consoles are also struggling in the CPU front and 60 FPS stable can be out of reach due to that too
you like to theorize a lot but you most likely have no "console" gaming experience to know what matters and what does not and also how small the PC monitor tends to be compared to the 55 inch to 75 inch HDTVs people get for their PlayStations.
It's actually a breath of fresh air for me to not have those damn ghost trails for once in my game. Remnant 2 was real FSR overkill and made me real sensitive to this stuff.
I actually think the "performance issues" like networking related hitches, small dips, etc., are completely justifiable considering all that's going on and how good this game looks. They obviously chould add an option for FSR 3 frame generation and Reflex for lower latency too, when they're both ready for prime time of course. Those features are just now in beta/technical preview on PCs. Still, hopefully they'll patch it with that option soon along with some networking optimization. Regardless, I really enjoy this game on my multi thousand dollar PC and if they can get it to run well on console, it'll be even better. Bring on the new players!!
As a huge 40k fan who paints, collects and plays miniatures- and super into the books and lore - I have to say Darktide is probably the best looking game yet. It perfectly captures the grim darkness, yet corny atmosphere of this magnificent world. Both the music, the sounds and visuals knocked it out of the park. Doesn't hurt that the game itself is also fun!
Don't get me wrong the game looks really good but it's graphics do not justify its performance the optimization is objectively bad i mean look at cyberpunk on series s running at 1080p60fps and its an open world they still have a lot of optimization to do
Cyberpunk took years to get to that point tho this game just came to console and the devs have worked hard since the crap launch. I have faith they can fix and make this game great in time
That's a new one for me too. I'm curious if dynamic sharpening was at play alongside the upscaling. Especially since it couldn't be replicated on PC. Usually TAA does the opposite and blur out detail lol.
I never thought I'd be interested in a Warhammer game, but this is changing my mind. Actually looks really fun, so I'll be checking it out on PC when I get home!
@stephencroft1612 You're acting like the graphics are so amazing, they must be the only reason someone could be interested in a game. For reference, I'm 260 hours until Baldur's Gate right now, with Persona 4 & Sea of Stars in between. None of those have amazing graphics, just good enough. Why you felt the need to make up a story in your head about a random comment, then argue about it, is just weird.
Terrible port. It's unplayable on quality mode on my Series X and looks like a PS3 game on performance mode. Game needs some serious patches to get to an acceptable state
@@ngaogaming9463this is not bad devs, consoles are weak machine with RX6600XT PC gpu class that is good to 1080p 60 fps high setting gameplay or like on consoles upscaled 1440p or 4k.
Been playing on performance mode on SX. It has been great so far. The art direction and moment to moment gameplay is sooo good. There is a horrendous graphical bug though that completely disfigures your gun model in your hands lol it is truly awful. Not sure if thats happening with certain gun models and not others but it happens every other match with my bolter.
Gameplay is fun for a few weeks, runs like shit on pc and it’s pretty barebones on content. Though as a fan of the 40k franchise I praise them for the atmosphere, music and voice acting, it’s spot on.
That's a bit misleading, as TAA (at least when it works properly) combines data from multiple frames, which means there are more pixels to work with than the actual 864p that are actually rendered for each frame. It's basically super-sampling, but over time. That doesn't mean the result will be super nice and sharp at all times, but significantly better than say a PS3 game rendered in 864p and stretched to 1080p output.
When Spiderman 2 is gonna run dynamic 4k at 60fps with raytracing. What excuse do these other developers have? Even FF16 being a console exclusive is the worst running ps5 game right now. Developers need to be better
@@12coco100it definitely crams more detail and effects in along with giant hordes. The art style may be more or less appealing but the graphics at max settings are beyond what consoles can do. This doesn't excuse them if they can't scale it right for consoles of course
@@Spr1ggan87 No it doesn't, i played the game back in early access and it's not graphically ahead of any of them, these games historically have had an impressive number of npcs at once which obviously is very CPU tasking especially in the late rounds but it's in no way visually ahead of FF16 / SM2, in terms of lighting, particle effects, shadow details they shit on it both.
@@Butcher-m7y Delusional take. Starfield has more NPCs and more everything than Forbidden West and you'd sound unhinged to say it visually shits on it due to that. And as for the number of NPCs, Dark Tide has more enemies on screen at once than either title (with dismemberment) and still has better graphics. Meanwhile FF16 can't even maintain a 1080p internal render resolution and has to drop down to 720p...
Think people forget that vermintide 2 also had alot of problems at lanch. The latest patch shows that the devs know about its problems and we will get another patch soon😊
Kinda rough that 1080p 60 fps still isn't the bare minimum for all performance modes in 2023, only excusable for the Series S even though that was advertised as a 1440p quality and 1080p 60 device we're not even getting it with the X.
the options are, only have it on pc, where its a very demanding game, or to put it on console as well, and just have to deal with the performance the consoles are capable of this is a pc game, its not made for console hardware
@alexandreporter705 Anything I need to know about the Warhammer lore before jumping in or is this something without much plot and easy to understand standalone? Cause I got zero idea about anything Warhammer but this looks fun. L4D + Borderlands seems like the right description
@@aninfinitemindofmusicandreamsthere's a ton of references and such, but it's not required to know at all. The game was made by Warhammer nerds for normal people, so it's easy to understand but still has details long time fans will recognize.
@@aninfinitemindofmusicandreams There's not much story to worry about in Darktide. You're basically just a bunch of former prisoners tasked/forced with completing various missions on Atoma Prime. There's not a whole lot to the game, but the core gameplay is very fun, though I very much think that it is a game best enjoyed on PC.
Hi, do you remember how you switched the 40fps mode in the game? I have my series x set to 120hz but only see Quality (30fps) and Performance (60fps) as options to choose
Crazy we are already seeing native 720p 30 games wo rt on series s those were the lower end of xbox one games and also native 864p with no upscaling and unstable fps on series x
Then what else? FXAA is super blurry; MSAA only works properly on geometry edges, doesn't play nicely with dynamic resolution scaling, is prone to shimmering, and has a relatively huge performance impact when higher sample counts are used; while SSAA would yield the best results in terms of quality, but is far to expensive, as it basically works by rendering each frame multiple times with different sub-pixel offsets and composing the results together. TAA however is actually a very smart variant of SSAA. As it turns out, the differences between successive frames are often tiny to non-existent, or are result of simple transformations (like an object only moving a couple of pixels to the left). That means we don't have to render each frame multiple times, we can instead combine the current frame with data from the previous frames to get a very similar result. And just like SSAA can easily scale by changing the amount of samples, TAA can combine frames of different resolutions (above and below the output resolution) into a final image, which means it naturally supports up- and downscaling, as well as dynamic resolution scaling. So why does the TAA in Darktide look so bad? My guess from what I've seen is that they forgot to wiggle the sub-pixel offsets with each frame, which means while not moving, successive frames are completely identical and don't provide any additional information for the compositing step, so what you get is basically the same as having to anti-aliasing at all.
@@hababacon I know what you mean. Forza Horizon 5 for example looks incredibly sharp with its original MSAA, noticeable sharper than with the later patched in DLSS even in quality mode, which usually prefers stability over sharpness. This is no fundamental limitation of TAA though, you can have the best of both worlds. TAA gets better the higher the input resolution is, the higher the frame rate (because of smaller differences between successive frames), and how smart the compositing step is implemented (which also creates or avoids ghosting). I've recently replayed Wolfenstein The New Colossus with Nvidia's DLDSR in 2.25 mode (rendering 3240p internally and using neural network magic similar to DLSS to downscale to 2160p) and it looked _extremely_ crisp while still being perfectly stable, with zero ghosting. DLAA, while not being _that_ good in resolving tiny detail due to "only" working on native res input, can also look quite gorgeous and sharp, while being actually less expensive than MSAA with higher sample counts (like 8x).
But then what do you expect the devs to do? Drop the texture quality, shadows, lighting, and number of onscreen enemies and decals even more? If that's the case that's a fair opinion to have. But somethings gotta give. Either that or game devs scale back the scope of their games in their entirety. Now PC gamers are pissed because we are only (I know we still get some) getting X1/PS4 style games. Or even worse, we don't even get PC ports anymore. I keep seeing people mention this type of stuff. Expecting consoles to do so much while the games devs are putting on them are straining them even more as time goes on. Where is this power supposed to come from? Sure there are methods to be more efficient. But that phrase I sometimes hear of "tapping all the power" or whatever is just a fantasy. We all know what's in the consoles, the hardware is set. There is nothing to be tapped into. The devs work with what they have based on the type of game they are making along with the technical skill of the team.
@vandammage1747 But we are talking about a PC first game on a console. A console that had mid range hardware from 2019, that was *almost* high end hardware in 2016. High end resolution in 2016 was 1440 and even that was unattainable for most with high graphics settings enabled. Hearing that I'd imagine you'd think that it should apply today, but the detail in games today is not what it was in 2016. It's significantly higher. So something has to drop in quality. Resolution or graphical fidelity to match the scope of the games that are being made today. What people are demanding from these consoles is just not reality. It can't be done. We can't have it all in every game. Again, if people are saying they want 1440p/1080p minimum that's a totally fine opinion to have in my mind. Just saying that if you add to on one side you must take away on the other.
@@noodles9345Yes, something's gotta give, but check out doom eternal... Much better graphics, locked on 60fps, AND some ray tracing in the 60fps mode. It's just optimization, nothing can justify the TAA problems exhibited in the video...
exactly. a game that fits in a 60fps envelope with good image quality to me looks better than this overdetailed shit that has the IQ of a ps4 trying to run a ps5 game
I've always thought that 60fps at 1440p with no dynamic scaling should have been made mandatory for devs this generation. Relying on internal system upscaling to get a 4k output. Resolution scaling and checkerboard reconstruction should be allowed for high fidelity modes only. Make devs work within those parameters. What's great about that is that the good developers, when given limitations like that, creativity really sparks and I feel like I r would still be getting great looking games. But to summarize : Require a 1440p/60fps with no dynamic resolution scaling mode for every single game. Refuse to publish them in your store and have it be contractually required in order to release a game on their system. Allow 4k modes to have dynamic resolution scaling, checkerboard rendering, etc. Allow devs to shoot for the moon visually, and have 30fps modes. So long as there always is a perfect 1440/60fps option for people to use.
I feel like this video missed a lot which isnt the normal for digital foundry, grenades and a lot of other particle effects bring the game down to an unplayable fps on series s, this isnt even mentioned here, makes it seem like the game is way more stable than it is
My biggest gripe with this game is MP only, Vermintide had bots so why on earth doesn't this? Wouldn't be an issue if random players online were actually smarter than bots. That aside, game looks and plays great on PC, glad it's coming to console.
Dude, Verm is not a single player game, sure true solo stuff exists, but for casual play? Nah mate. Also Private match setting exists in Darktide and bots do exist...
@@prich0382 You can play vermintide solo with bots. I was doing highest level runs of screaming bell solo for levelling. Darktide you don't have this option, you need to play with someone else to not get stuck with brain dead randoms.
@@prich0382 I'd generally play on champion but Screaming Bell is a short level that was good for exp and hoping for veteran item drops. As I said to the other person there's videos of it being done solo on here by people. Point still remains Vermintide let's you solo with bots, and l4d did also and you could do hardest difficulty with them, so having bots able to just do the first two difficulty levels in darktide would be nice.
I dk who told the devs motion blur is something player's want Even in 2023 we turn it off everytime we see it in the settings Major loss of performance and nothing impressive added to the game as whole
I was really hoping to see any info about a 40fps mode in this video because I feel like it runs too smooth to be 30 in quality mode with 120vrr settings. I don't know if I am going crazy or not.
We should have stopped trying to get better graphics 5 years ago. They were good enough. Devs should have used the power of series x and powerful pcs to better the physics in games instead of just making them prettier. Imagine what games could be like if all that power was used in physics instead of graphics. Honestly I’d be good with graphics from 2014 if they used the last ten years to better physics instead of graphics.
@@zanfetsurrok No, the perf mode runs at nearly 60fps. Only FPS is affected by CPU performance. Rendering resolution is not affected by CPU performance.
okay this is starting to piss me off 30FPS should not even be mentioned on consoles anymore game developer's need to learn how to make these games run at 60fps and once again the series x has a 4k 120fps on the box but achieves a fraction of that on this game 30fps kills the gameplay on any game
I loved and still love Vermintide 2, which is the spiritual predecessor to this. This one felt a bit cheaper in that the enemies will randomly start hitting you out of nowhere because the levels have so many nooks and crannies. The detail density they speak of is a detraction to the gameplay.
You can’t say a game is one of the best looking games this Gen when it’s so aliased. That looks terrible on console. On PC it’s pretty decent looking with DLSS Quality and all ray tracing on high
You're using praise he gave to the quality mode to somehow contradict a fault that is likely a bug in the performance mode. It would be easier to just say you dislike the platform and move on.
@@leonfrancis3418 It looks very aliased on quality mode too. It's just higher frequency alias beacause of the higher resolution, but the same bug is still there.
@@leonfrancis3418 you don't compare 30fps games with 60fps games Lmao. 30fps is easy mode and should look much better. Game looks like a dumpster fire at 860p60 and 1440p30 is a joke in 2023.
Nothing new with Fatshark, their motto is release it regardless the state a game is and then take a year or sometimes two to bring up to snuff. Darktide on PC on release ran poorly and had so many features, QoL stuff and content missing, only now a year later with the recent class voerhaul it finally feels like the game we should've gotten a year ago. Same story with Vermintide 1 and 2 really, the devs never change, though maybe to be more specific it's probably down to whoever is calling the shots in the company and not the entire studio's fault.
I found Darktide really low on resolution, very jaggedy on the resolution. I did pre-order this last year until I looked into all the bugs that the PC had and of course the missed release date. Thankfully its on Games Pass so worth a play, otherwise I'm pretty happy I didnt spend money on buying it.
Yeah thats not even close to how my performance mode looks, everything is super blurry like i forgot to pick up my glasses before heading of to purge heretics
There's no point in comparing the console version to some "equivalent". They'll look the same. It's more about showing the game at its best and discussing the cut backs
Shouldn’t see why not of you lower internal res to 1080p and 30fps unless it’s stupidly heavy on cpu. Can’t imagine a pc game would cut off the entire mid range or lower pc market, wouldn’t leave many people loft to play the game
So your getting a almost visual identical pc version at 30fps with worse image quality which may well improve soon in future patches. Not to shabby at all, excerpt what I’d expect from a high end pc game
@@Spr1ggan87 haven’t seen evidence of that in either this video or Alex’s pc analysis, not to say it’s not the case just RTGI tends to be more of a subtle improvement when there’s already backed in GI
Also, the Lasguns, autogun and shredder pistol all have flashlights on the alternate fire. And you can bind Tag to the same button as Attack, and while it might be slightly annoying to your teammates, it really helps with visibility on elite enemies. Oh, now I see the flashlight part. All good
It looks beautiful, but the fact that the Xbox version requires a constant internet connection and a gold subscription it's a HUGE letdown, I don't like to play online games so skipping this game because of that its frustrating.
How does cyberpunk run better than this game on consoles? Just terrible optimisation, not even cyberpunk on ps4 had fps crashes as bad as this game on series s.
@@vandammage1747His reviews are good regarding technical aspect, but I also think he's too forgiving. Actually, his very first review (Battlefield 2042) is generally considered the worst DF review by many, including me.
@@vandammage1747 I don't think it's exactly his job to commend or condemn the game. He's just pointing out the numbers. People always take lack of condemnation as appraisal of the game. He's pretty neutral in all of his content.
@@uncleurda8101 well he did say it sits among the best looking games this gen didn't he? Cod on Series S looks much better than this and it's running at a higher res too on a much weaker system.
Man what's up with the frame pacing issues in recent titles, be it consoles or pc? It's like they're ignored when testing if testing was done at all! Like a wise man once said: "Doesn't anyone notice this? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" Good job as always, Oli!
Too many games on current gen are trying to compete with the Nintendo Switch in their race towards the most potato resolution. Resolution isn't everything, especially with AI upscaling readily available, but we got to have standards...
Wow, this is some Nanite tier of textures. TAA can be disabled if you use DLSS. And if you don´t want to sacrifice resolution, use DLDSR and DLSS combined.
Its not a 4090 vs xbox video, he’s literally just using it to show the image quality. He could’ve shown the exact same thing on a $300 4060, which also has better image quality than Xbox
I gave up on this game on PC because of the constant disconnect and lack of cross play. If they fixed this and I can do cross play with my buddy I'm willing to give this game another shot
Honestly not sure why I watched the entire video. Of course PC has better quality and performance than console. Honestly not enough for me to be bothered at all. The game is fun and looks good. I haven’t had any performance issues at all. Long way of saying pc runs better
Note: When even air vents have Gothic pointed arches, you're in the Warhammer universe.
Rebuttal: Wind Turbines in the Dune RTS universe
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"4K is the future", at this rate it looks like we're going back to 480p.
That’s what happens when consoles are tied to TV tech
480p with global Ray tracing, Ray traced ambient occlusion and path tracing, maybe that's the way forward lol.
The lack of fsr2 on consoles seems like a weird omission. It would have improved image quality as well as helped the game hit a more consistent 60 or 30
I'm not so sure, this game has a lot of moving enemies and lots of melee, fsr's worse enemies. It really falls apart in motion.
@@tbunreallFSR tends to be messy with moving stuff yes, but usually it's more on grass and transparent stuff.
Solid textures isn't that bad at all.
Also this game can be very CPU Intensive, so probably consoles are also struggling in the CPU front and 60 FPS stable can be out of reach due to that too
you like to theorize a lot but you most likely have no "console" gaming experience to know what matters and what does not and also how small the PC monitor tends to be compared to the 55 inch to 75 inch HDTVs people get for their PlayStations.
It's actually a breath of fresh air for me to not have those damn ghost trails for once in my game. Remnant 2 was real FSR overkill and made me real sensitive to this stuff.
I actually think the "performance issues" like networking related hitches, small dips, etc., are completely justifiable considering all that's going on and how good this game looks. They obviously chould add an option for FSR 3 frame generation and Reflex for lower latency too, when they're both ready for prime time of course. Those features are just now in beta/technical preview on PCs. Still, hopefully they'll patch it with that option soon along with some networking optimization.
Regardless, I really enjoy this game on my multi thousand dollar PC and if they can get it to run well on console, it'll be even better. Bring on the new players!!
As a huge 40k fan who paints, collects and plays miniatures- and super into the books and lore - I have to say Darktide is probably the best looking game yet. It perfectly captures the grim darkness, yet corny atmosphere of this magnificent world. Both the music, the sounds and visuals knocked it out of the park. Doesn't hurt that the game itself is also fun!
How big is this franchise? My brother painted the figures 25 years ago but I hadn’t heard anything since then 😮
It's very famous
@@sandman8920Big, i wouldn't say it's niche but somewhere in between.
@@braedonlock3359it's famous with tabletop rpg communities and general nerdom
Ok nerd
Don't get me wrong the game looks really good but it's graphics do not justify its performance the optimization is objectively bad i mean look at cyberpunk on series s running at 1080p60fps and its an open world they still have a lot of optimization to do
Cyberpunk took years to get to that point tho this game just came to console and the devs have worked hard since the crap launch. I have faith they can fix and make this game great in time
I still prefer the jagged edges rather than a 'motion'-blured-vaselined-screen
Having more power to work with doesn't mean you should completely ignore optimization, like most moderm devs seem to think
That's why dlss and far are becoming a standard.
They remove necessity to optimize games.
Never seen a TAA implementation that has this levels of aliasing with the camera stationary.
Poor implementation.
@@samza9622great in motion though which fsr would have a bunch of fizzle especially on console lower resolution base
That's a new one for me too. I'm curious if dynamic sharpening was at play alongside the upscaling. Especially since it couldn't be replicated on PC. Usually TAA does the opposite and blur out detail lol.
A rare example of TAA not blurring the image to hell.
I never thought I'd be interested in a Warhammer game, but this is changing my mind.
Actually looks really fun, so I'll be checking it out on PC when I get home!
you probably r just all about the graphics
@@nigjer under a video that talks about the graphics
@@nigjer because of the graphics
@@nigjer did you know that there’s a tunnel under ocean boulevard?
@stephencroft1612 You're acting like the graphics are so amazing, they must be the only reason someone could be interested in a game.
For reference, I'm 260 hours until Baldur's Gate right now, with Persona 4 & Sea of Stars in between. None of those have amazing graphics, just good enough.
Why you felt the need to make up a story in your head about a random comment, then argue about it, is just weird.
Terrible port. It's unplayable on quality mode on my Series X and looks like a PS3 game on performance mode. Game needs some serious patches to get to an acceptable state
864p!?!?
I would have never thought any developer would have gone lower than 1080p, or even 1440p but here we are.
Bad Devs ever i known 😢
@ngaogaming9463 look. Just turn down the graphical settings so I can get 1440p/60. I REALLY want 1800p or 4k but I've come to terms with that.
@@ngaogaming9463this is not bad devs, consoles are weak machine with RX6600XT PC gpu class that is good to 1080p 60 fps high setting gameplay or like on consoles upscaled 1440p or 4k.
You haven't watched many DF videos of current gen then.
There have been games thst drop their internal res to less than 700p this generation.
Immortals of Aveum is in that same boat but at least it's using ray tracing and nanite.
Been playing on performance mode on SX. It has been great so far. The art direction and moment to moment gameplay is sooo good. There is a horrendous graphical bug though that completely disfigures your gun model in your hands lol it is truly awful. Not sure if thats happening with certain gun models and not others but it happens every other match with my bolter.
Xbox Series X = Xbox SeX.
This game runs amazing on the ps5!
@@nick13bare you trolling, because you can't get it on PlayStation only PC and xbox
Gameplay is fun for a few weeks, runs like shit on pc and it’s pretty barebones on content. Though as a fan of the 40k franchise I praise them for the atmosphere, music and voice acting, it’s spot on.
I agree on content already even after only a few days played but I have hopes they will be actively working on and adding to this game
It relies on dlss 3 on a 4090 to get stable performance unfortunately, its been like that since beta on pc
864P on current gen consoles? What?
That's a bit misleading, as TAA (at least when it works properly) combines data from multiple frames, which means there are more pixels to work with than the actual 864p that are actually rendered for each frame. It's basically super-sampling, but over time. That doesn't mean the result will be super nice and sharp at all times, but significantly better than say a PS3 game rendered in 864p and stretched to 1080p output.
When Spiderman 2 is gonna run dynamic 4k at 60fps with raytracing. What excuse do these other developers have? Even FF16 being a console exclusive is the worst running ps5 game right now. Developers need to be better
Have you see actually seen in motion PC gameplay at max settings? It's graphically ahead of both those titles... No shit it runs like ass on console.
@@Spr1ggan87 doubt
@@12coco100it definitely crams more detail and effects in along with giant hordes. The art style may be more or less appealing but the graphics at max settings are beyond what consoles can do. This doesn't excuse them if they can't scale it right for consoles of course
@@Spr1ggan87 No it doesn't, i played the game back in early access and it's not graphically ahead of any of them, these games historically have had an impressive number of npcs at once which obviously is very CPU tasking especially in the late rounds but it's in no way visually ahead of FF16 / SM2, in terms of lighting, particle effects, shadow details they shit on it both.
@@Butcher-m7y Delusional take. Starfield has more NPCs and more everything than Forbidden West and you'd sound unhinged to say it visually shits on it due to that.
And as for the number of NPCs, Dark Tide has more enemies on screen at once than either title (with dismemberment) and still has better graphics. Meanwhile FF16 can't even maintain a 1080p internal render resolution and has to drop down to 720p...
There was an update yesterday, I noticed the image had been cleared up a bit in comparison to the previous day.
Nice
I just call them "Performance mode" and "stop-motion mode" for most games these days.
The main 30fps mode is solid a very playable
Think people forget that vermintide 2 also had alot of problems at lanch. The latest patch shows that the devs know about its problems and we will get another patch soon😊
Kinda rough that 1080p 60 fps still isn't the bare minimum for all performance modes in 2023, only excusable for the Series S even though that was advertised as a 1440p quality and 1080p 60 device we're not even getting it with the X.
lol
not happening. after DF analysis on BG3 it seems like a humble old ryzen 5 3600 is faster than the CPUs on X and PS5 lol
the options are, only have it on pc, where its a very demanding game, or to put it on console as well, and just have to deal with the performance the consoles are capable of
this is a pc game, its not made for console hardware
It's entirely excusable. The hardware isn't up to it.
You can only optimise so far.
Poverty gaming at its finest
game runs like garbage in any platform
Yeah still disappointed with the PC performance on this one. It never feels totally smooth no matter the settings or hardware.
@@sEaNoYeAhRuns fine on my hardware, with 120fps+
And I only have a Series S console 😢
Looks like modern Doom meets Borderlands. Sick. I can't wait to try it.
Would be my first foray into the Warhammer franchise as well.
W40K Dawn of War 1 is an excellent RTS game if you're into the genre. It still holds up greatly.
It is Left for Dead with looter shooter mechanics. And to be honest, it is a incredible good left for dead style game.
@alexandreporter705 Anything I need to know about the Warhammer lore before jumping in or is this something without much plot and easy to understand standalone? Cause I got zero idea about anything Warhammer but this looks fun. L4D + Borderlands seems like the right description
@@aninfinitemindofmusicandreamsthere's a ton of references and such, but it's not required to know at all. The game was made by Warhammer nerds for normal people, so it's easy to understand but still has details long time fans will recognize.
@@aninfinitemindofmusicandreams There's not much story to worry about in Darktide. You're basically just a bunch of former prisoners tasked/forced with completing various missions on Atoma Prime. There's not a whole lot to the game, but the core gameplay is very fun, though I very much think that it is a game best enjoyed on PC.
You should include the zoom metric when zooming
This game also has a 40 fps mode on series x when you switch console settings 120hx.
Does it hold steady 40fps not including the frame time jitter?
@jose131991 it holds ok. There's few drops but I would say that it holds better than the 30fps
@@gordoncampbell7858How is it on A LG VRR OLED in 120 mode will it help on Series X?
I have that setup and it’s pretty smooth
Hi, do you remember how you switched the 40fps mode in the game? I have my series x set to 120hz but only see Quality (30fps) and Performance (60fps) as options to choose
its rough, hopefully it gets better in a few updates
People have been saying that for over a year now
The main 30fps mode is solid with good enough image quality
I've tried it on Xbox Series S and it's outright garbage... fps drops, jarred edges, low resolution....
yh its was terrible deleted it after 10 minutes it was too bad to find any enjoyment@@carolineturingds
Still waiting for the solo mode they promised…
The low resolution and sub-par fps put me off after a few rounds. Series X version.
Crazy we are already seeing native 720p 30 games wo rt on series s those were the lower end of xbox one games and also native 864p with no upscaling and unstable fps on series x
Graphics > resolution
@@DocRobotnik definitely not when the res is this low and blurry
It runs like pure ass on pc as well to be fair, I'm surprised it runs on any console
Since the 10th of Oct update, Series x looks much better in performance, it was either a bug or mistake on launch.
Really? So if I download this again it will be decent? Because it was really awful.
@@stevejones3868 yeah it has been running alot better
Performance mode has been going fine so far.lv28 owgyn
Pity there no time to drink up the environment,unless you drink blood off the walls.
Its way better!
I didn't play it until yesterday and it looks fine.
Playing a first person shooter at 30 fps should be illegal.
The Series X port of this game is a complete joke.
But DF thinks it sits with the best looking games this gen🤣🤣😂😂
@@vandammage1747 "best looking game" 800p!!!!
@@vandammage1747on pc
wait, 720p 30fps on series S oh god...
That said last year it was going to be 1080p 60fps, god knows what happened to that, it just poorly optimized
Thank you! Been loving this game so much and it looks beautiful. The particle effects and lighting is insane
TAA has become horrible. Devs, please stop using it.
Sadly it’s prob cuz of performance issues and it’s the cheapest or slightly cleaner like msaa2 can look jagged asf so man
@mystic3309 Yeah, I think that's why the new Forza 8 is using it. It blurs, has always blurred graphics like FXAA.
Then what else? FXAA is super blurry; MSAA only works properly on geometry edges, doesn't play nicely with dynamic resolution scaling, is prone to shimmering, and has a relatively huge performance impact when higher sample counts are used; while SSAA would yield the best results in terms of quality, but is far to expensive, as it basically works by rendering each frame multiple times with different sub-pixel offsets and composing the results together.
TAA however is actually a very smart variant of SSAA. As it turns out, the differences between successive frames are often tiny to non-existent, or are result of simple transformations (like an object only moving a couple of pixels to the left). That means we don't have to render each frame multiple times, we can instead combine the current frame with data from the previous frames to get a very similar result. And just like SSAA can easily scale by changing the amount of samples, TAA can combine frames of different resolutions (above and below the output resolution) into a final image, which means it naturally supports up- and downscaling, as well as dynamic resolution scaling.
So why does the TAA in Darktide look so bad? My guess from what I've seen is that they forgot to wiggle the sub-pixel offsets with each frame, which means while not moving, successive frames are completely identical and don't provide any additional information for the compositing step, so what you get is basically the same as having to anti-aliasing at all.
@NeovanGoth MSAA, I prefer sharper AA and can deal with a little bit of shimmering. TAA still has shimmer and ghosting, plus it's blurry.
@@hababacon I know what you mean. Forza Horizon 5 for example looks incredibly sharp with its original MSAA, noticeable sharper than with the later patched in DLSS even in quality mode, which usually prefers stability over sharpness.
This is no fundamental limitation of TAA though, you can have the best of both worlds. TAA gets better the higher the input resolution is, the higher the frame rate (because of smaller differences between successive frames), and how smart the compositing step is implemented (which also creates or avoids ghosting). I've recently replayed Wolfenstein The New Colossus with Nvidia's DLDSR in 2.25 mode (rendering 3240p internally and using neural network magic similar to DLSS to downscale to 2160p) and it looked _extremely_ crisp while still being perfectly stable, with zero ghosting. DLAA, while not being _that_ good in resolving tiny detail due to "only" working on native res input, can also look quite gorgeous and sharp, while being actually less expensive than MSAA with higher sample counts (like 8x).
how is 864p "perfectly reasonable" in 2023? absolute lunacy
1080p and 1440p should be the bare minimum render resolutions for the Series consoles. Anything less than that is horrible to look at
But then what do you expect the devs to do? Drop the texture quality, shadows, lighting, and number of onscreen enemies and decals even more? If that's the case that's a fair opinion to have. But somethings gotta give.
Either that or game devs scale back the scope of their games in their entirety. Now PC gamers are pissed because we are only (I know we still get some) getting X1/PS4 style games. Or even worse, we don't even get PC ports anymore.
I keep seeing people mention this type of stuff. Expecting consoles to do so much while the games devs are putting on them are straining them even more as time goes on. Where is this power supposed to come from? Sure there are methods to be more efficient. But that phrase I sometimes hear of "tapping all the power" or whatever is just a fantasy. We all know what's in the consoles, the hardware is set. There is nothing to be tapped into. The devs work with what they have based on the type of game they are making along with the technical skill of the team.
Yet DF thinks a 900p game looks good and 30fps is fine. DF turning into a joke
@vandammage1747 But we are talking about a PC first game on a console. A console that had mid range hardware from 2019, that was *almost* high end hardware in 2016. High end resolution in 2016 was 1440 and even that was unattainable for most with high graphics settings enabled.
Hearing that I'd imagine you'd think that it should apply today, but the detail in games today is not what it was in 2016. It's significantly higher. So something has to drop in quality. Resolution or graphical fidelity to match the scope of the games that are being made today. What people are demanding from these consoles is just not reality. It can't be done. We can't have it all in every game.
Again, if people are saying they want 1440p/1080p minimum that's a totally fine opinion to have in my mind. Just saying that if you add to on one side you must take away on the other.
Да уж, ждали когда консоли заработают на полною а в итоге они умерли
@@noodles9345Yes, something's gotta give, but check out doom eternal... Much better graphics, locked on 60fps, AND some ray tracing in the 60fps mode. It's just optimization, nothing can justify the TAA problems exhibited in the video...
Devs need to stop shooting foe the moon with all these graphical bells and whistles.
exactly. a game that fits in a 60fps envelope with good image quality to me looks better than this overdetailed shit that has the IQ of a ps4 trying to run a ps5 game
Exactly! Gears 5 on xbox one looks better than this@@GraveUypo
I've always thought that 60fps at 1440p with no dynamic scaling should have been made mandatory for devs this generation. Relying on internal system upscaling to get a 4k output. Resolution scaling and checkerboard reconstruction should be allowed for high fidelity modes only. Make devs work within those parameters. What's great about that is that the good developers, when given limitations like that, creativity really sparks and I feel like I r would still be getting great looking games. But to summarize :
Require a 1440p/60fps with no dynamic resolution scaling mode for every single game. Refuse to publish them in your store and have it be contractually required in order to release a game on their system. Allow 4k modes to have dynamic resolution scaling, checkerboard rendering, etc. Allow devs to shoot for the moon visually, and have 30fps modes. So long as there always is a perfect 1440/60fps option for people to use.
UnOptimized even on PC, i wonder why they release it for consoles!?
Money?
I feel like this video missed a lot which isnt the normal for digital foundry, grenades and a lot of other particle effects bring the game down to an unplayable fps on series s, this isnt even mentioned here, makes it seem like the game is way more stable than it is
My biggest gripe with this game is MP only, Vermintide had bots so why on earth doesn't this?
Wouldn't be an issue if random players online were actually smarter than bots.
That aside, game looks and plays great on PC, glad it's coming to console.
Dude, Verm is not a single player game, sure true solo stuff exists, but for casual play? Nah mate. Also Private match setting exists in Darktide and bots do exist...
@@prich0382 You can play vermintide solo with bots. I was doing highest level runs of screaming bell solo for levelling. Darktide you don't have this option, you need to play with someone else to not get stuck with brain dead randoms.
@@killerfugu2659 You aren't playing highest level stuff, not by a long shot, not even in base game
@@killerfugu2659please post a video of this
@@prich0382 I'd generally play on champion but Screaming Bell is a short level that was good for exp and hoping for veteran item drops. As I said to the other person there's videos of it being done solo on here by people.
Point still remains Vermintide let's you solo with bots, and l4d did also and you could do hardest difficulty with them, so having bots able to just do the first two difficulty levels in darktide would be nice.
720p30...a true next gen experience. Game looks great though.
pretty sure they said it's above 800p in performance mode, not even quality mode, so maybe stop spreading unneeded propaganda? :3
Series Potato S is 720p 30fps.☠️
clear case of overshooting render targets. this game would be objectively better if it was less detailed.
I dk who told the devs motion blur is something player's want
Even in 2023 we turn it off everytime we see it in the settings
Major loss of performance and nothing impressive added to the game as whole
I tested ray-tracing last year and RT doesn't really change the image significantly enough to justify turning it on.
I was really hoping to see any info about a 40fps mode in this video because I feel like it runs too smooth to be 30 in quality mode with 120vrr settings.
I don't know if I am going crazy or not.
We support 40fps in 120hz
Damn that looks awful on Xbox Series X. Actually embarrassing.
Yet DF claims it sits with the best looking games this gen.😂😂🤣🤣 What are they smoking, this game is tech garbage
Y'all bring some friends for this one, public lobbies are rough 💀 And I'm saying that as part of the problem XD
864p for the Series X? Is this bad optimization or are these consoles already incredibly dated now?
It's 2019 hardware at best. It was dated the moment they released it, unfortunately.
2019 hardware is dated?
@@ConcavePgons With how quickly technology advances, I'd say yes unfortunately. 4 years is a lifetime when it comes to gaming tech.
Both.
@@TheAngrySaxon1The GPU architecture (RDNA2) is from 2020.The issue is the CPU (Zen 2), with small L3 cache and low clock speeds.
They can go to hell with that 30 fps crap.
We should have stopped trying to get better graphics 5 years ago. They were good enough. Devs should have used the power of series x and powerful pcs to better the physics in games instead of just making them prettier. Imagine what games could be like if all that power was used in physics instead of graphics. Honestly I’d be good with graphics from 2014 if they used the last ten years to better physics instead of graphics.
"Perfectly reasonable" When did the standard become so low. This game looks horrible in performance mode.
This makes no sense. SS at 720p vs 864p of SX (at 2x the fps). The SX is 3x more powerful, so SX perf mode should run at a higher res.
@@zanfetsurrok No, the perf mode runs at nearly 60fps. Only FPS is affected by CPU performance. Rendering resolution is not affected by CPU performance.
This is another reason why baked lighting looks better than Raytraced lighting
When static yes which limits it a lot plus baked GI unfortunately takes up a lot of the game size. Totally see your point though
Performance tanks the resolution far too much in my opinion. It makes the game very unsightly.
I love digital foundry, but I won’t lie, Oliver’s voice bores me to the point I can’t finish his reviews
He makes it too obvious he's reading a script in real time.
The fact darktide can even run on consoles, is a feat in itself.
the pc min specs for this game are way below the consoles.
Not really, the devs just suck.
MP only ruined the game.
nah
okay this is starting to piss me off 30FPS should not even be mentioned on consoles anymore game developer's need to learn how to make these games run at 60fps and once again the series x has a 4k 120fps on the box but achieves a fraction of that on this game 30fps kills the gameplay on any game
I loved and still love Vermintide 2, which is the spiritual predecessor to this. This one felt a bit cheaper in that the enemies will randomly start hitting you out of nowhere because the levels have so many nooks and crannies. The detail density they speak of is a detraction to the gameplay.
Vermintide 2 was in a similar shitty state at release, like darktide. This studio is well known for releasing their games in dogshit condition
Do you ever notice that the taco doesn't look like the picture on the menu?
Everyone should listen to darktides soundtracks too. 😜
Warhammer has one of the best epic music 🖤
You can’t say a game is one of the best looking games this Gen when it’s so aliased. That looks terrible on console.
On PC it’s pretty decent looking with DLSS Quality and all ray tracing on high
You're using praise he gave to the quality mode to somehow contradict a fault that is likely a bug in the performance mode.
It would be easier to just say you dislike the platform and move on.
@@leonfrancis3418 It looks very aliased on quality mode too. It's just higher frequency alias beacause of the higher resolution, but the same bug is still there.
@@leonfrancis3418 lol wut
@@leonfrancis3418 you don't compare 30fps games with 60fps games Lmao. 30fps is easy mode and should look much better. Game looks like a dumpster fire at 860p60 and 1440p30 is a joke in 2023.
Very useful analysis, thank you Ollie
Nothing new with Fatshark, their motto is release it regardless the state a game is and then take a year or sometimes two to bring up to snuff.
Darktide on PC on release ran poorly and had so many features, QoL stuff and content missing, only now a year later with the recent class voerhaul it finally feels like the game we should've gotten a year ago. Same story with Vermintide 1 and 2 really, the devs never change, though maybe to be more specific it's probably down to whoever is calling the shots in the company and not the entire studio's fault.
Very rough on Xbox, let's hope they will fix things with updates.
I refunded the PC version of this before launch because it was a dumpster fire with missing features.
Would recommend checking it out again after the class overhaul patch
perhaps FSR 2 wold've been better
Perhaps a better console than the x is needed,hell they lied to your faces about the raytracing capabilities and power of the x......🙃🫠
@@Raiden_mei000someone get this person a bed, they’re delusional from lack of sleep. Xbox just partying 24/7 in their brain.
@@Raiden_mei000The ps5 box says 8k. Both companies made claims that were not true.
This game is heavy even on the pc , 😂
Darktide is very CPU limited. Not sure how much upscaling can help with that.
I found Darktide really low on resolution, very jaggedy on the resolution. I did pre-order this last year until I looked into all the bugs that the PC had and of course the missed release date. Thankfully its on Games Pass so worth a play, otherwise I'm pretty happy I didnt spend money on buying it.
It's not a low resolution, it's a TAA bug
@@MaxIronsThirdno its low resolution 800p in performance mode is way too low and looks horid even on a 1080p monitor its not good whatsoever
The game really needs super ultra wide monitor and 4090 to really appreciate.
Yes it can runs very well few framedrops but still 60fps feels good on this game the game just needs a single player mode and more content now
45 minute mission minimum with same boring swing swing, shoot shoot......
Crape objectives same enemies,total trash
Can you explain what you mean by more content?
@@Raiden_mei000 you can say the same for left 4 dead, you are missing the point of these types of games lol
I had a stroke reading this
So the game runs good but still needs more game. Got it 😂
Yeah thats not even close to how my performance mode looks, everything is super blurry like i forgot to pick up my glasses before heading of to purge heretics
VRS could be the problem and why you guys are not doing Warhammer 40k: Boltgun?
Are you serious??? You compare Series X version vs RTX4090???
ikr? watz he smokin
The GPU alone is more than 3 times the price of series X (if you buy least premium cooler version)
There's no point in comparing the console version to some "equivalent". They'll look the same.
It's more about showing the game at its best and discussing the cut backs
It's a tech review, not a "we struggle on a budget PC in a game far too demanding for its power" review.
Why would that hurt your feelings?? They trying to show what it can be. Stop getting butt hurt that the $500 console is not what you thought it was
Shouldn’t see why not of you lower internal res to 1080p and 30fps unless it’s stupidly heavy on cpu. Can’t imagine a pc game would cut off the entire mid range or lower pc market, wouldn’t leave many people loft to play the game
This game is the best ad to tell people not to pick Autodesk Stingray as a game engine. Seriously, why did they pick this POS?
The comparison bwtween Series X and a high-end PC with a 4090 is lazy. Dissapoined in this review.
Oh man the 60 fps mode is rough. The resolution is just to low. Cant enjoy this game because of that
So your getting a almost visual identical pc version at 30fps with worse image quality which may well improve soon in future patches. Not to shabby at all, excerpt what I’d expect from a high end pc game
30fps is an artistic choice
@@LeiaPetz no, john litterman told me so
@@fvallo absolutely true, unfortunately that’s very rarely understood by angry gamers
Only in select areas, the game is filled with places where the RTGI makes the Xbox version look pathetic.
@@Spr1ggan87 haven’t seen evidence of that in either this video or Alex’s pc analysis, not to say it’s not the case just RTGI tends to be more of a subtle improvement when there’s already backed in GI
Also, the Lasguns, autogun and shredder pistol all have flashlights on the alternate fire. And you can bind Tag to the same button as Attack, and while it might be slightly annoying to your teammates, it really helps with visibility on elite enemies.
Oh, now I see the flashlight part. All good
Never heard the word 'greebled' before...
yet ANOTHER Gamepass game Xbox is having an AMAZING year!!!
Graphics looks like bf4 on the xbone, the Antialiasing is so bad
It looks beautiful, but the fact that the Xbox version requires a constant internet connection and a gold subscription it's a HUGE letdown, I don't like to play online games so skipping this game because of that its frustrating.
How does cyberpunk run better than this game on consoles? Just terrible optimisation, not even cyberpunk on ps4 had fps crashes as bad as this game on series s.
720p 😂
Ugh despise terrible anti aliasing implementation.
Oliver "dropping" one quality video after another.
This was a very bad video. He should be a lot more critical, a sub 900p game on XSX in 2023 is a joke and needs no praise
@@vandammage1747His reviews are good regarding technical aspect, but I also think he's too forgiving. Actually, his very first review (Battlefield 2042) is generally considered the worst DF review by many, including me.
@@vandammage1747 I don't think it's exactly his job to commend or condemn the game. He's just pointing out the numbers. People always take lack of condemnation as appraisal of the game. He's pretty neutral in all of his content.
@@uncleurda8101 well he did say it sits among the best looking games this gen didn't he?
Cod on Series S looks much better than this and it's running at a higher res too on a much weaker system.
Can we have a PS5 release now, Fatshark?
This generation has made my poor 1660 Super feel so embarrassed 😳. And I even have it clocked at 2ghz.
Man what's up with the frame pacing issues in recent titles, be it consoles or pc? It's like they're ignored when testing if testing was done at all! Like a wise man once said: "Doesn't anyone notice this? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" Good job as always, Oli!
the game looks pretty sick but the performance in light of the cut backs in resolution and RT is disappointing.
bad optimisation
Too many games on current gen are trying to compete with the Nintendo Switch in their race towards the most potato resolution. Resolution isn't everything, especially with AI upscaling readily available, but we got to have standards...
Wow, this is some Nanite tier of textures.
TAA can be disabled if you use DLSS. And if you don´t want to sacrifice resolution, use DLDSR and DLSS combined.
Well that rtx 4090 alone cost like 3 Xbox series X and you need to add the SSD the ram and the motherboard
Its not a 4090 vs xbox video, he’s literally just using it to show the image quality. He could’ve shown the exact same thing on a $300 4060, which also has better image quality than Xbox
You don't need a 4090, it looks better than the Xbox version on my 4070Ti even with DLSS quality and frame gen turned on.
I gave up on this game on PC because of the constant disconnect and lack of cross play. If they fixed this and I can do cross play with my buddy I'm willing to give this game another shot
Patch 13 fixed most of my performance and disconnects, Pc also has crossplay with xbox now too. Also the new class talent overhaul is amazing, so fun.
no a.i bots? if yes then you dont have to rush and can take time to look around
Please make a video comparison between gt7 and Forza motorsport
Honestly not sure why I watched the entire video. Of course PC has better quality and performance than console. Honestly not enough for me to be bothered at all. The game is fun and looks good. I haven’t had any performance issues at all. Long way of saying pc runs better
wow,"lower end platforms","weak consoles CPU"
and we still waiting for true next gen games to come out)