Same here! They cashed out long ago. They had a huge user base and didn't apply their margins to further developing the app and support. It's dated and lacking. It was fun while it lasted but I welcome competition. I'm excited about Whoosh.
Haven't tried it yet, but I think this is exactly what I've been looking for. No crowds, no annoying "Ride On Thumbs" all over the place. No cost....Perfect!
@zenfishbike I agree! All this social community herding is annoying and overbearing in the least! If there's an ATV app I'd love to try it out! The competition renumeration is tempting though!
When something is free, you are the product. Check the permissions you give when the program is installed. Files, folders, full access is required, at least in PCs..thats insane.
I’ve been playing around with mywoosh and Rolla before I’m locked away in a Canadian winter paying $20/month for zwift. I’m excited that there is competition in this space.
So glad competition to Zwift is starting to take shape … as much as Zwift is good, it is too expensive IMO. Hopefully this will either push Zwift to reconsider their fees or push people away from it.
Agree. For winter I'm willing to pay the price for the three months or so, when I know I'll be using it quite a lot, to get the most out of the trainer, which wasn't cheap either. However, for the rest of the year I want to be outside as much as possible and only use Zwift a few times when the weather is very bad, then the price is way too high and only one free (and slightly interrupted) session a month is in that regard not enough.
Its cheap as peanuts, you can ride 3/4/5 more times a week, no need to outdoor kit, saves on cafe stops. I use it all year round, keeps me in good shape for doing the odd outdoor sportive. I understand the allure of outdoor riding, but the convenience for me outweighs everything else. Plus I have temperature controlled setup so dont worry of cold or hot days
@@jeskli11 15$ per month is expensive? That's three medium cappuccinos in US. Coffee price is ridiculous, not the subscription fee. But I agree, I wish there should be a discounted year subscription, that would ensure a more stable income for Zwift. I ride from October until March/April then I go outside.
@@tommylobotommy It also depends on your income… I'm an university student with no permanent income. It's also worth noting Zwift subscription is the same price all over the world. I, for example, live in the Czech Republic, where the minimum wage is about half to let's say Germany or Austria, in the US it depends on state, but the average wage there is more than double of what we have in Czechia. Translated, if Zwift for you is like three cups of coffee, for some people like me it might be rather like five uber-expensive cups of coffee I wouldn't buy either.
I haven't heard of MyWhoosh until the UCI made a deal with them. That may help them to grow but it needs to target amateur racing & social stuff in order to be a real competitor
@@SmartBikeTrainersok, so streaming this to an ATV will temporarily fill the ATV void. Do you have a vid talking about the on boarding process? You mentioned it being cumbersome! Thanks
You make excellent comparisons between competing products and explain well why some thrive and others need to be lights-out from the beginning in order to challenge them.
I Love the racing on Zwift and you can do that 24/7. the racing depends on the network effect, as it's just much more fun to ride with others, and that's where Zwift has this huge advantage over all other competitors
First time I heard of MyWhoosh and learnt about it thanks to you. This clearly shows that they haven’t done enough marketing and advertising to reach out to a wider audience!
im super happy zwift has some competiton. Definitely gonna swich to mywoosh, at least until next year. Where i live, zwift costs quite a lot and when im not riding i always have that in the back of my head "i paid so i should be zwifting". Putting some weird pressure on myself. Looking forward to further development of apps like mywoosh, etc. Compared to regular "gaming" industry, they're very much in their early stages in pretty much every aspect. One of them being monetization
I agree with the high cost of Zwift. In Canada, I pay more than $20 per month. I have had a couple of health issues this year so I could not ride for 5 months, overall. I should have suspended my account but didn't. When I went back to riding I definitely felt the pressure on myself to ride more. Finally, I suspended my account to remove that pressure.
A lot of RGT users are now using indie velo. I gave this a try but for some reason it’s all limited to 30fps by design and with graphics on high and riders on screen it drops too low to be any good. Zwift competition is always good, keeps things moving forward
I've been using MyWoosh for a time now (from Zwift) and having been using it mainly for maintaining my outdoor cycling fitness. So generally only use it for training. Therefore the lack of a social vibe doesn't affect me at all. Be interesting to see the "social riding" vs "practical" (racing and training riding) ratio if there is such a split amongst users.
This is what I would be using the platform for. How does it do with maintaining fitness? Do you feel like you can increase your fitness with this platform? Currently, I am using Xert and I am really happy with the platform. However, if I can save a few bucks per month, that’s always a plus in this ever increasing expensive world. Thank you!!
I don't reall get an argument people make with this social aspect. It's a winter indoor training tool not a nice coffee ride during summer with your mates :)
This looks super interesting. I'm loyal to Zwift at the moment because it is all I have known and helped me fall in love with cycling when I live in a place where I cannot always ride outside (snow/cold). However, I am always happy to see competition in this space as it will make everyone better off and I will always try a new competitor and give them a try. Once they launch on Mac anyway...
I have dabbled with My Whoosh a couple of times.... but went back to Zwift... I am giving it a go again... we shall see what developments happen over the next year.... great video!
As other fellow cyclists mentioned an iOS compatibility is a precondition for me to give it a try. Zwift has been an integral part of my falling back in love with cycling and I do enjoy the „banter“ during group-rides. I also think, that the free price tag will disappear as soon as there are sufficient users on the platform. But that’s kind of obvious. Thanx for yet another excellent video of yours. Thanks for this!
Not to mention the obvious attempt at sportswashing here with the usually corrupt sports organization (UCI) opening up their pockets for cash from dubious dictatorships.
Nice app and free! So many training plans. Its a nice option if you dont want to ride indoors all month long. They need to create meetups ? Steuctured group rides ? Training rides ?
There is a reason why Zwift cycles through availability of the different worlds and routes. Simple to keep it fresh for the riders and mostly that all players are not scattered on all the routes making them look half empty. Mywhoosh should do the same, and actually a lot more tightly since they have fewer players.
@@noggintubeyes that makes sense, but still scatters people on different routes and still by far most people are looking at the social part if you look at complaints on Mywhoosh.
that's one of the things I hate about Zwift. I can't plan around Zwift's availability of routes. I want to ride up the big mountain in France NOW, because today is the day I actually have time for it, but exactly then it is not available. Super annoying. I don't care about other riders in the virtual world. If I would I could always join a group ride.
I had used Zwift in the past, but a price hike has deterred me from going back. It's $30/month in Australia. I'll be going to MyWhoosh for sure. If the biggest complaint is limited social interaction, I'm in!
They could add missions. Like a 5 minute mission to do a leadout for an AI sprinter. Or stay in the wheel of your sprint-train and do the sprint yourself.
I use Zwift once every couple of months as I am more of a runner, so paying the monthly fee for one or two rides is annoying, this sounds like a great alternative
I'm going to give this a shot. I generally do structured training only in the winter with trainerroad, but it lacks the visuals that make zwift interesting. If I could put my trainerroad calendar into whoosh all at one time and not have to deal with the (frankly pretty bad) workout interface in zwift, that seems like a great use case. The fact that it's free seems like icing on the cake. I agree with you that if they were able to steal some of the trainerroad AI Workout plan secret sauce and integrate it into their calendar, I would probably just wholesale switch over to it and never look back.
I tried mywoosh, my first thought was the kick on erg mode was terrible. And just like Zwift, the UI is too busy. I'd really like the ability to enable/disable features on the screen, and even moving things around. Those were the negatives. On the positive i was really impressed by the grafics. For all of the hometrainer programs, i'd like to see a spotify or equal build in. Playing some music on a workout, and some audiable pointers for effort.
Maybe now that RGT is being eliminated by Wahoo, MyWhoosh will gain many RGT users. I think it will take National race organizations to join UCI in promoting their own Esports championships to get more of the real road racing community. It will never kill Zwift, but it doesn't have to as long as Zwift continues to have erroneous drafting algorithms.
I simply don't see that happening since Whoosh is a Zwift copy, while RGT had a different focus (realistic racing experience and community events). An RGT user is just as likely to pick Zwift over Whoosh as anyone else.
Thanks for the video. I tried the platform a while back. I didn’t care for the fact that it didn’t have a dedicated Apple TV app. Had to operate it from my phone and then mirror it to my TV. Overall, the experience was just ‘OK’. The graphics and user interface are decent and the setup was pretty straightforward. But, I found the course selection to be rather limited and like you mentioned there is really no social aspect to speak of now with so few users. I may go back and take another look later - especially once they add more features and especially alternate routes. But, they really need to create a dedicated Apple TV app as well.
Nice review. I found the same with Rouvy. Im level 50 Zwift and like riding with others. With Rouvy there are hardly any others to ride with, and it gets kind of boring, despite the scenery.
Rouvy - follow the challenges if you want to find other riders. There's typically heaps of riders on the routes that are part of the current challenges.
I think that the 30 FPS is locked. Changing the video setting from the simplest to the ultra setting (if your computer can do it) on my computer does not change it - it is still 30, which is ok. I have not noticed any stuttering. I currently have no sound and music in game, only in the opening menu - I looked around on the net and I think they are reworking it so it it is not working, but it would be nice to have some basic sounds when riding. Also there are some weird pre-set options in the submenu. When you first start the ant+ is turned off in the sub-menu (it took me some time to find out why my ant+ power meter was not connecting, I thought there was a conflict with other apps in the OS system or something with the firewall) .The social element is lacking. Mostly I ride alone among bots. Otherwise it is very similar to Zwift. I think my whoosh has a better trainining section - the workouts are logically separated into sub-categories - threshold, endurance, sweetspot, VO2 max, tempo etc. The workouts are mostly really "classical", no Zwift circus stuff, more like trainer road, there is lots of them and the purpose and the structure of each workout is explained in its description. Erg mode has problem setting the right intensity, if the workout says 250w, in erg mode I always end up doing 265w or 270w even though I keep a stable pedalling frequency. This only affects higher intensities above 200w so I cannot use erg mode for interval workouts (I use Elite Suito).
a yearly roundup of what's new on Zwift since the "last season" aka sometime in February-April, when most of the users got outside again, would be much appreciated!
I really like it. But sometimes I have had technical issues, like rides disappearing. But I can only see it getting better. Also, I feel that my rides on Zwift are faster than I actually ride outdoors. On MyWhoosh it's more correct. My speed and hill climbing seem far more accurate on MyWoosh. Great video by the way.
I recently tried it and now I am riding on the platform for few days….It is nice, it has good plans, variety of events (I can never find battle of the bots ans some othera), but it lacks audience as you said..I am missing a crowd like on zwift, and also more events every hour, or bot ride 24/7…there is not much people on it yet so I am always the last one everywhere :)) But it has a potencial and the biggest plus - it is free.
great review, imagine if MyWhoosh were smart enough to recognize all our levels and achievements (tron bike) in zwift so we don't have to start over again. they'd need some epic climbs as well, I'm not talking mario kart like portals as zwift is doing but life like tour climbs, the experience looks like an unrefined version of zwift with no climbs, and nobody to ride with. I'd say they're 5 years away from impacting zwift's market share.
Not a big fan of garage turbo riding really. But do use it when the weather here in the UK is making outdoor rideing too dangerous, i.e. high windsm anow, ice and floods. I used to use traing videos, with real life group rides, e.g. CTC Aussie group rides etc. I did fancy having a bash at Zwift, but couldn't justify the price for what little use I would use it for. Saw MyWhoosh, and thought I'd give it a go. Yes, it was a bit fidely to set up the account, but I think that the rider graphics etc are more realistic then Zwift, and you can choose shirt design, helmet,gloves, socks, shoes, bike and facial features. I run it on my phone, but use a screen mirroring app to project it to the screen on my laptop. Resolution is fine for me. Not really bothered about social interaction with other riders.
been on Zwift over 4 years. tried mywhoosh. like it, its good for casual rider.. running alternate times now, one or other. considering suspending zwift for a while.
MyWoosh isn’t going anywhere without apple. Zwift is still a clear winner with their racing and 24/7 events. I have an RGT account because of magic roads, and the platform is great too - but these two are still light years ahead of MyWoosh.
I tried the app in April for the competition. There were several drawbacks that made it less enjoyable than other apps. First, the physics dynamics were bad. Speeds were unrealistic, the gradient change feeling was off, and the bunch dynamic was completely off. A virtual cycling platform should be able to mimick IRL cycling feelings. that's the first thing i ask. I feel it completely on Zwift, not at all on MyWhoosh. Second drawback is the lack of stability of the app and data centers, which cause quite a lot of crashes during competition and in-game (at least on a computer). Normally, nothing too difficult to address when we can throw 1 million dollars in prize money 😅
Nice Vid - thanks. But im going with zwift, because I am critical of the cooperation with the UCI. But hopefully the competition has positive side effects on Zwift and new features.
I've been trying it for a week now. It looks fine on my PC. I liked the experience. Only one thing bothers me and it is the integration of the secondary power source, which is my pedals, that I find a little bit off. Depending on the cadence (the higher the cadence, the bigger the gap), the power-match function can fail to sync with up-to 20 Watts of difference (I am watching my head unit), which is too much. Aside of this I am fine with the app.
You can ‘summer hibernate’ your Zwift account. Mine’s saved on hold between May and Nov every year. That said, I will give My Whoosh a go as I don’t care for socials and want to ride alone.
So. Your vid is the first I’ve heard of this app. And I’m a long time zwifter and YT content cycling guy. So they can’t be spending on advertising. Yet. Seemingly deep pockets. Interesting.
I wanted to try it, but when I saw the system requirements for Windows I knew it was not for me. To use it I would need to buy a new laptop with much more power and memory than my current one. On the other hand, Rouvy runs great in my entry level laptop, and I'm very happy using it.
Yes I have the same problem. My devices run all the others ,Zwift, Rouvy etc but not Mywoosh very slow (windows) or just not compatible (android) .Not able/willing to upgrade just to run Mywoosh
The MyWhoosh software was bloated and bizarrely buggy last time I tried it, each update worse, the spec requirements seem excessive compared to the competition. Think I'll stick to RGT and Zwift.
Just found this video and interesting. Until it comes to Apple TV it is a non starter for me and a lot of people I suspect. I have a YT channel and starting to show some Zwift stuff outside of my weightlifting and it would be nice to have an alternative to Zwift but pretty sad they did not have Apple TV at launch
Read about it last week so decided I wanted to give it a try since its free. So started to install it on my 3 year old laptop (release date of it was september 2020 and bought it april 2021) that I also use for Zwift. After a very slow download trough the microsoft store it didn't want to run because my video card was to old. If a 3 year old computer can't run it then they might have raised the bar to high on the graphics part. A lot of people will be shut out this way, no wonder then if they have few users.
I love Zwift, so wouldn't change, I've only been using it for 6 months and I managed to get my weight down to 76kg which it hasn't been for at least 12 years as much as i try and all the miles I do on my bike outside. I usually get to 80kg each year. Weather and having a 5 year old used to get in the way, but now I have the flexibility to go on when I want and it's fun. To me £15 is not expensive, it's cheaper than a gym membership and if it's helping my fitness and health, I usually stop cycling in Winter, but this year I can continue and keep my performance up, ready for next year, that'si priceless. MyWhoosh can whoosh off. Good that Zwift have some competition though and keep them on their toes, but I'm not moving.
My Whoosh is really awesome. Since the latest update they have outshined Zwift in graphics and the real-life look and feel. Unfortunately My Whoosh is not compatible with many smart turbo trainers so the resistance on my Saris Hammer is not controlled via the ERG or control function. If My Whoosh can fix that I will move over. But until then, Zwift is still my number one choice
UAE has big $$$$. Wouldn't it be more cost effective to buy Zwift? Or maybe they want to use the LIV Golf model. I don't see Saris H3 under recommended equipment. I will post the question to their website. I would expect Europe to be added, after all it does host some major cycling events. At least that's what I've heard (snarky).
I did try it beginning of the year - I am jumping from running/cycling all the time (depending on next race) so the Zwift subscription seemed a bit too much for not being active all the time. I uninstalled it because my gf called me during a workout (I was using my Android phone (latest Android)) and then the workout could not be resumed and I had to start a new one. Being interested in numbers I lost some data and it didn't feel good. Probably the solution is for the app to ask for additional permissions so it can run in the background (as Pixel phones are restrictive my default). Anyway - I will give it another try when the weather worsens and I restart my off season training.
Will the Zwift crazy price hike be the straw that breaks the Zwift camel's back? I quite like Whoosh as it is a 'back to basics' platform that dumps all of the complexities of Zwift and (important for me), the worlds seem much better built. However, I don't understand why there are no European routes (except for Belgium). Where are the climbs of France, Italy and Spain?
I have made the switch and I’m really enjoying it! As a level 60 zwifter I’ve “finished” Zwift so I’m looking for something new to level up on. I can’t seem to find any info on MyWhoosh, like does bikes and wheels make you faster then other or how much time it takes to level up. I reached out to them and they said there are 50 levels currently and it’s about ride time. Still want some more information on it.
Ofc there will be cost. This is how they suck ppl in. Offer something basic for free leaving out major basic components, then once you get a strong following you add some features and then add a cost to it. Its always about the money.
I'll try it when they have it on an iOS platform. Sounds interesting though. I like new worlds. Zwift doesn't seem to roll them out fast enough. If they think (Zwift) that it will be too many, they can retire some routes. But I guess that's another discussion. Thanks for the insight.
It looks promising, but the lack of MacOS and Apple TV support is a knock-out criterion for me.I know a few Zwift competitors, but I had never heard of MyWoosh before.
Another person pointed the 1970 issue out. They were able to sign up with a different year and then updated their profile with the correct year. Clearly a bug MyWhoosh need to address.
In my experience it's mostly full of bots masquerading as real riders. You aren't going to goad anyone into a game of cat and mouse, like you can on Zwift.
Might want to add that it says your ANT+ stuff will only connect on Windows devices. Won’t work on anything Apple/Mac or Android. Would have saved me 30 min of frustration trying to get stuff to connect if someone had just said that upfront.
Is the Virtufit Etappe 2.0 also compatibel with MyWhoosh? Or is the Zycle Zdrive the cheapest option when wanting a quiet indoor bike (magnetic resistance and V-belt)?
I don’t know who is the target audience for those social features to be honest. I’m ditching Zwift as we speak, just need to synchronise my TP calendar. I would do my trainings with Garmin if they ever figured out a proper erg control, but so far no luck.
Using it with my Stages SB20, for structured workouts on ERG mode. Very happy as I'm an infrequent user and wouldn't pay the Zwift fee as I don't use it sufficiently. Bravo UAE!!!!
My problem with Mywhoosh for now is the list of compatible devices, it doesn't work on my ipad which i use for zwift, it doesn't have a MAC app, my laptop also doesn't have enough power to run Mywhoosh, in all of them i can run zwift without any problem. My only compatible device is an iphone, i tried on that but I refuse to use such a small screen to run mywhoosh
I don't know... I used to ride Zwift but I am really bored of this virtual reality apps. I switched to Rouvy and am very satisfied with the real-world routes and possibility to visit different places from my living room. Would be curious if there is a similar "rival" to Rouvy on the market...
Haven't used it, because there is no Apple tvOS version available. Using Zwift a lot in the winter months. Tried Rolla and Rouvy too. But both were too buggy for me.
Is the TrainingPeaks functionality corrected for time yet? In the USA, I get my TP workout at midnight. When I tried to use the workout with MyWhoosh, it was always loaded on the MyWhoosh calendar for the previous day, making it unavailable to select in the calendar. So the workout which I receive on my Wednesday for example, is loaded in MyWhoosh on Tuesday, but since it's Wednesday I cannot select Tuesday's workouts... And what's very odd is that even if I change my TP upload to 6:00 AM Wednesday, it still loads into MyWhoosh on "Tuesday" even if it wasn't there and available on actual Tuesday. I spent too much time trying to get MyWhoosh to help me resolve this to go back now and try again. If someone knows it works in the USA now, please tell me. Thanks!
Last time I tried Zwift (early 2018 ?), the installation and updating process was soooo annoying. And the hardware requirements were soooo high. And the race realism was soooo bad. MyWhoosh may be better (could it really be worse ?). But 1- I don't race ; 2- I don't care about braking in a bend ; 3- I prefer to ride solo and in realistic roads and landscapes that I may someday have the chance to ride IRL ; and if I train, I need to be focused on my effort, not on what others are doing. Rouvy will still be my choice this Autumn/Winter. BTW, I will probably re-ride the roads I rode last Winter, and be able to see if I can get PRs. And try to push myself on some of their segments. Another nice thing is that it runs on my tablet. :-) I will try to run it on my Linux based PC, with Waydroid, to enjoy Rouvy on a bigger screen and resolution (and if it works, I will get a second monitor just for that !).
Have to disagree on Zwift's hardware requirements. It's actually quite low and unheard of for a gaming 3D graphic platform. In fact, it does not come close to leveraging even mid range hardware.
Same here. Zwift routes and ride almosphere are boring to me. I too prefer realistic routes and focus on my training, not on interactions with other riders. Tried Sufferfest before Zwift and I actually prefer the former.
Hi, great video! i would like to use my zwift ride with mywhoosh but but i can't figure out if the virtual shifting function exists in the app or is it a function that I would go to lose
There is no virtual shifting in MyWhoosh. I made a video on this here: Zwift Cog Compatibility Explained: Does It Limit Your Cycling App Choices? ruclips.net/video/o65CxiCY7Po/видео.html
Good review. I just tried to sign up, but their registration does not accept birthyears before 1970 :-) Very weird limitation. Obviously a bug (?), but how can such a bug go unnoticed and unfixed?
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With the latest Zwift price increase, I’ll be switching to MyWhoosh when my Zwift subscription is up.
Jep. Four days left at Zwift. 20€ That's way to expensive...
Same here! They cashed out long ago. They had a huge user base and didn't apply their margins to further developing the app and support. It's dated and lacking. It was fun while it lasted but I welcome competition. I'm excited about Whoosh.
Haven't tried it yet, but I think this is exactly what I've been looking for. No crowds, no annoying "Ride On Thumbs" all over the place. No cost....Perfect!
Absolutely!!
It’s free so I just switched.
@zenfishbike I agree! All this social community herding is annoying and overbearing in the least! If there's an ATV app I'd love to try it out! The competition renumeration is tempting though!
When something is free, you are the product. Check the permissions you give when the program is installed. Files, folders, full access is required, at least in PCs..thats insane.
@@TheRimBrakeGuy Very insightful, good to keep in mind and look for.
I changed from Zwift to Rouvy this year. Enjoying it much much more.
I’ve been playing around with mywoosh and Rolla before I’m locked away in a Canadian winter paying $20/month for zwift. I’m excited that there is competition in this space.
So glad competition to Zwift is starting to take shape … as much as Zwift is good, it is too expensive IMO. Hopefully this will either push Zwift to reconsider their fees or push people away from it.
Agree. For winter I'm willing to pay the price for the three months or so, when I know I'll be using it quite a lot, to get the most out of the trainer, which wasn't cheap either. However, for the rest of the year I want to be outside as much as possible and only use Zwift a few times when the weather is very bad, then the price is way too high and only one free (and slightly interrupted) session a month is in that regard not enough.
Its cheap as peanuts, you can ride 3/4/5 more times a week, no need to outdoor kit, saves on cafe stops. I use it all year round, keeps me in good shape for doing the odd outdoor sportive. I understand the allure of outdoor riding, but the convenience for me outweighs everything else. Plus I have temperature controlled setup so dont worry of cold or hot days
@@jeskli11 15$ per month is expensive? That's three medium cappuccinos in US. Coffee price is ridiculous, not the subscription fee. But I agree, I wish there should be a discounted year subscription, that would ensure a more stable income for Zwift. I ride from October until March/April then I go outside.
Super cheap for what it provides.
@@tommylobotommy It also depends on your income… I'm an university student with no permanent income. It's also worth noting Zwift subscription is the same price all over the world. I, for example, live in the Czech Republic, where the minimum wage is about half to let's say Germany or Austria, in the US it depends on state, but the average wage there is more than double of what we have in Czechia. Translated, if Zwift for you is like three cups of coffee, for some people like me it might be rather like five uber-expensive cups of coffee I wouldn't buy either.
Switched the myWhoosh after the recent Zwift price hike. As a non virtual racer, this is spot on!
I haven't heard of MyWhoosh until the UCI made a deal with them. That may help them to grow but it needs to target amateur racing & social stuff in order to be a real competitor
It needs to calm down it's graphics so it runs on all devices!
I am waiting for Mac OS compatibility, but I am definitely interested in trying it out.
It’s on their roadmap and hopefully it comes out pretty soon.
Same.
So it’s not on iPad either?
@@NeonGrayEditsit is available for the iPad and iPhone
@@SmartBikeTrainersok, so streaming this to an ATV will temporarily fill the ATV void.
Do you have a vid talking about the on boarding process? You mentioned it being cumbersome! Thanks
You make excellent comparisons between competing products and explain well why some thrive and others need to be lights-out from the beginning in order to challenge them.
I Love the racing on Zwift and you can do that 24/7. the racing depends on the network effect, as it's just much more fun to ride with others, and that's where Zwift has this huge advantage over all other competitors
First time I heard of MyWhoosh and learnt about it thanks to you. This clearly shows that they haven’t done enough marketing and advertising to reach out to a wider audience!
im super happy zwift has some competiton. Definitely gonna swich to mywoosh, at least until next year. Where i live, zwift costs quite a lot and when im not riding i always have that in the back of my head "i paid so i should be zwifting". Putting some weird pressure on myself.
Looking forward to further development of apps like mywoosh, etc. Compared to regular "gaming" industry, they're very much in their early stages in pretty much every aspect. One of them being monetization
I agree with the high cost of Zwift. In Canada, I pay more than $20 per month. I have had a couple of health issues this year so I could not ride for 5 months, overall. I should have suspended my account but didn't. When I went back to riding I definitely felt the pressure on myself to ride more. Finally, I suspended my account to remove that pressure.
A lot of RGT users are now using indie velo. I gave this a try but for some reason it’s all limited to 30fps by design and with graphics on high and riders on screen it drops too low to be any good. Zwift competition is always good, keeps things moving forward
I've been using MyWoosh for a time now (from Zwift) and having been using it mainly for maintaining my outdoor cycling fitness. So generally only use it for training. Therefore the lack of a social vibe doesn't affect me at all. Be interesting to see the "social riding" vs "practical" (racing and training riding) ratio if there is such a split amongst users.
This is what I would be using the platform for. How does it do with maintaining fitness? Do you feel like you can increase your fitness with this platform? Currently, I am using Xert and I am really happy with the platform. However, if I can save a few bucks per month, that’s always a plus in this ever increasing expensive world. Thank you!!
I don't reall get an argument people make with this social aspect. It's a winter indoor training tool not a nice coffee ride during summer with your mates :)
I don't like people, and I'm tight, this looks like the app for me.
Do you know if a secondary power meter is mandatory?
This looks super interesting. I'm loyal to Zwift at the moment because it is all I have known and helped me fall in love with cycling when I live in a place where I cannot always ride outside (snow/cold). However, I am always happy to see competition in this space as it will make everyone better off and I will always try a new competitor and give them a try.
Once they launch on Mac anyway...
I have dabbled with My Whoosh a couple of times.... but went back to Zwift... I am giving it a go again... we shall see what developments happen over the next year.... great video!
As other fellow cyclists mentioned an iOS compatibility is a precondition for me to give it a try. Zwift has been an integral part of my falling back in love with cycling and I do enjoy the „banter“ during group-rides.
I also think, that the free price tag will disappear as soon as there are sufficient users on the platform. But that’s kind of obvious.
Thanx for yet another excellent video of yours. Thanks for this!
Not to mention the obvious attempt at sportswashing here with the usually corrupt sports organization (UCI) opening up their pockets for cash from dubious dictatorships.
Nice app and free! So many training plans.
Its a nice option if you dont want to ride indoors all month long.
They need to create meetups ?
Steuctured group rides ? Training rides ?
There are workout group rides!
There is a reason why Zwift cycles through availability of the different worlds and routes. Simple to keep it fresh for the riders and mostly that all players are not scattered on all the routes making them look half empty. Mywhoosh should do the same, and actually a lot more tightly since they have fewer players.
They should at least show number of Live users in the list view (for each area and map)...
@@noggintubeyes that makes sense, but still scatters people on different routes and still by far most people are looking at the social part if you look at complaints on Mywhoosh.
@familiekontoen1955 I disagree! That's a terrible idea! Why do you want to be pigeonholed??? I do not support that at all!
that's one of the things I hate about Zwift. I can't plan around Zwift's availability of routes. I want to ride up the big mountain in France NOW, because today is the day I actually have time for it, but exactly then it is not available. Super annoying. I don't care about other riders in the virtual world. If I would I could always join a group ride.
I had used Zwift in the past, but a price hike has deterred me from going back. It's $30/month in Australia. I'll be going to MyWhoosh for sure. If the biggest complaint is limited social interaction, I'm in!
They could add missions. Like a 5 minute mission to do a leadout for an AI sprinter. Or stay in the wheel of your sprint-train and do the sprint yourself.
I use Zwift once every couple of months as I am more of a runner, so paying the monthly fee for one or two rides is annoying, this sounds like a great alternative
Zwift is still free for running
Love it, ride my Handbike several times a week.. I'm not switching back to Zwift again. It runs super well and I find it very user-friendly.
Whoa.
This looks interesting. I'm going to have to give MyWoosh a try
I'm going to give this a shot. I generally do structured training only in the winter with trainerroad, but it lacks the visuals that make zwift interesting. If I could put my trainerroad calendar into whoosh all at one time and not have to deal with the (frankly pretty bad) workout interface in zwift, that seems like a great use case. The fact that it's free seems like icing on the cake.
I agree with you that if they were able to steal some of the trainerroad AI Workout plan secret sauce and integrate it into their calendar, I would probably just wholesale switch over to it and never look back.
Hopefully the latest Zwift hike...will move more folks over to MW. It's getting lonely here... especially with the pork chop around my neck.
Will definitely check it out soon. Thinking on using this platform for my next Ironman prep.
I tried mywoosh, my first thought was the kick on erg mode was terrible. And just like Zwift, the UI is too busy. I'd really like the ability to enable/disable features on the screen, and even moving things around. Those were the negatives. On the positive i was really impressed by the grafics. For all of the hometrainer programs, i'd like to see a spotify or equal build in. Playing some music on a workout, and some audiable pointers for effort.
The new update lets you turn all the screen graphics off so you only see yourself and your scenery.
Maybe now that RGT is being eliminated by Wahoo, MyWhoosh will gain many RGT users. I think it will take National race organizations to join UCI in promoting their own Esports championships to get more of the real road racing community. It will never kill Zwift, but it doesn't have to as long as Zwift continues to have erroneous drafting algorithms.
I simply don't see that happening since Whoosh is a Zwift copy, while RGT had a different focus (realistic racing experience and community events). An RGT user is just as likely to pick Zwift over Whoosh as anyone else.
Many RGT users?? 😂 There were barely any people on RGT
@@mjf1975that’s why so many people liked it, not overcrowded like Zwift.
Thanks for the video. I tried the platform a while back. I didn’t care for the fact that it didn’t have a dedicated Apple TV app. Had to operate it from my phone and then mirror it to my TV. Overall, the experience was just ‘OK’. The graphics and user interface are decent and the setup was pretty straightforward. But, I found the course selection to be rather limited and like you mentioned there is really no social aspect to speak of now with so few users. I may go back and take another look later - especially once they add more features and especially alternate routes. But, they really need to create a dedicated Apple TV app as well.
Nice review. I found the same with Rouvy. Im level 50 Zwift and like riding with others. With Rouvy there are hardly any others to ride with, and it gets kind of boring, despite the scenery.
Rouvy - follow the challenges if you want to find other riders. There's typically heaps of riders on the routes that are part of the current challenges.
I think that the 30 FPS is locked. Changing the video setting from the simplest to the ultra setting (if your computer can do it) on my computer does not change it - it is still 30, which is ok. I have not noticed any stuttering. I currently have no sound and music in game, only in the opening menu - I looked around on the net and I think they are reworking it so it it is not working, but it would be nice to have some basic sounds when riding. Also there are some weird pre-set options in the submenu. When you first start the ant+ is turned off in the sub-menu (it took me some time to find out why my ant+ power meter was not connecting, I thought there was a conflict with other apps in the OS system or something with the firewall) .The social element is lacking. Mostly I ride alone among bots. Otherwise it is very similar to Zwift. I think my whoosh has a better trainining section - the workouts are logically separated into sub-categories - threshold, endurance, sweetspot, VO2 max, tempo etc. The workouts are mostly really "classical", no Zwift circus stuff, more like trainer road, there is lots of them and the purpose and the structure of each workout is explained in its description. Erg mode has problem setting the right intensity, if the workout says 250w, in erg mode I always end up doing 265w or 270w even though I keep a stable pedalling frequency. This only affects higher intensities above 200w so I cannot use erg mode for interval workouts (I use Elite Suito).
a yearly roundup of what's new on Zwift since the "last season" aka sometime in February-April, when most of the users got outside again, would be much appreciated!
I really like it. But sometimes I have had technical issues, like rides disappearing. But I can only see it getting better. Also, I feel that my rides on Zwift are faster than I actually ride outdoors. On MyWhoosh it's more correct. My speed and hill climbing seem far more accurate on MyWoosh. Great video by the way.
I recently tried it and now I am riding on the platform for few days….It is nice, it has good plans, variety of events (I can never find battle of the bots ans some othera), but it lacks audience as you said..I am missing a crowd like on zwift, and also more events every hour, or bot ride 24/7…there is not much people on it yet so I am always the last one everywhere :))
But it has a potencial and the biggest plus - it is free.
great review, imagine if MyWhoosh were smart enough to recognize all our levels and achievements (tron bike) in zwift so we don't have to start over again. they'd need some epic climbs as well, I'm not talking mario kart like portals as zwift is doing but life like tour climbs, the experience looks like an unrefined version of zwift with no climbs, and nobody to ride with. I'd say they're 5 years away from impacting zwift's market share.
Not a big fan of garage turbo riding really. But do use it when the weather here in the UK is making outdoor rideing too dangerous, i.e. high windsm anow, ice and floods. I used to use traing videos, with real life group rides, e.g. CTC Aussie group rides etc.
I did fancy having a bash at Zwift, but couldn't justify the price for what little use I would use it for. Saw MyWhoosh, and thought I'd give it a go. Yes, it was a bit fidely to set up the account, but I think that the rider graphics etc are more realistic then Zwift, and you can choose shirt design, helmet,gloves, socks, shoes, bike and facial features. I run it on my phone, but use a screen mirroring app to project it to the screen on my laptop. Resolution is fine for me. Not really bothered about social interaction with other riders.
been on Zwift over 4 years. tried mywhoosh. like it, its good for casual rider.. running alternate times now, one or other. considering suspending zwift for a while.
MyWoosh isn’t going anywhere without apple. Zwift is still a clear winner with their racing and 24/7 events. I have an RGT account because of magic roads, and the platform is great too - but these two are still light years ahead of MyWoosh.
I heard about MyWhoosh in a podcast literally yesterday and now you do a review?!😱
For free gotta try it, gonna try it tomorrow.
Haha… looking forward to hearing what you think of the platform. Ride on 👍
Paid promo campaign 😂
I tried the app in April for the competition. There were several drawbacks that made it less enjoyable than other apps. First, the physics dynamics were bad. Speeds were unrealistic, the gradient change feeling was off, and the bunch dynamic was completely off. A virtual cycling platform should be able to mimick IRL cycling feelings. that's the first thing i ask. I feel it completely on Zwift, not at all on MyWhoosh.
Second drawback is the lack of stability of the app and data centers, which cause quite a lot of crashes during competition and in-game (at least on a computer). Normally, nothing too difficult to address when we can throw 1 million dollars in prize money 😅
I'm new to indoor training and i'm on mywhoosh and i like it. I haven't tried swift yet, though.
Never even knew about mywoosh they need advertising in uci events mountain and road.
Nice Vid - thanks. But im going with zwift, because I am critical of the cooperation with the UCI. But hopefully the competition has positive side effects on Zwift and new features.
It looks very cool!!! Lv 50 Zwift here, going to have to really be better for me to switch. But I’ll give it a try. Great review btw.
I've been trying it for a week now. It looks fine on my PC. I liked the experience. Only one thing bothers me and it is the integration of the secondary power source, which is my pedals, that I find a little bit off. Depending on the cadence (the higher the cadence, the bigger the gap), the power-match function can fail to sync with up-to 20 Watts of difference (I am watching my head unit), which is too much. Aside of this I am fine with the app.
Might just be that one power source is miscalibrated?
I think it doesn't have power match. I think The secondary power source it's just for Race power validation.
You can ‘summer hibernate’ your Zwift account. Mine’s saved on hold between May and Nov every year. That said, I will give My Whoosh a go as I don’t care for socials and want to ride alone.
Do they have or can they add robo Pacer Group rides at varying speeds and 24-7 I think would win them more users?
Happy with it! Looking forward for further development. What elese can you ask for, it is FREE!
Can't get it to work with my Kinetic trainer. So far technical support have ignored all my emails. Free is too expensive.
Just waiting for them to get it working on apple TV then I'm sorted.
So. Your vid is the first I’ve heard of this app. And I’m a long time zwifter and YT content cycling guy. So they can’t be spending on advertising. Yet. Seemingly deep pockets. Interesting.
I wanted to try it, but when I saw the system requirements for Windows I knew it was not for me. To use it I would need to buy a new laptop with much more power and memory than my current one. On the other hand, Rouvy runs great in my entry level laptop, and I'm very happy using it.
Yes I have the same problem. My devices run all the others ,Zwift, Rouvy etc but not Mywoosh very slow (windows) or just not compatible (android) .Not able/willing to upgrade just to run Mywoosh
The MyWhoosh software was bloated and bizarrely buggy last time I tried it, each update worse, the spec requirements seem excessive compared to the competition. Think I'll stick to RGT and Zwift.
But it's "free" lol, let's see for how long it will be "free" or are people really believing it will be "free" 4ever? 🤣
Will try as soon as they have it for the Apple TV.
Just found this video and interesting. Until it comes to Apple TV it is a non starter for me and a lot of people I suspect. I have a YT channel and starting to show some Zwift stuff outside of my weightlifting and it would be nice to have an alternative to Zwift but pretty sad they did not have Apple TV at launch
Read about it last week so decided I wanted to give it a try since its free. So started to install it on my 3 year old laptop (release date of it was september 2020 and bought it april 2021) that I also use for Zwift. After a very slow download trough the microsoft store it didn't want to run because my video card was to old. If a 3 year old computer can't run it then they might have raised the bar to high on the graphics part. A lot of people will be shut out this way, no wonder then if they have few users.
Intro music is sick! Good review.
The interface looks so much cleaner and easier to navigate. gonna try it out.
I love Zwift, so wouldn't change, I've only been using it for 6 months and I managed to get my weight down to 76kg which it hasn't been for at least 12 years as much as i try and all the miles I do on my bike outside. I usually get to 80kg each year. Weather and having a 5 year old used to get in the way, but now I have the flexibility to go on when I want and it's fun. To me £15 is not expensive, it's cheaper than a gym membership and if it's helping my fitness and health, I usually stop cycling in Winter, but this year I can continue and keep my performance up, ready for next year, that'si priceless. MyWhoosh can whoosh off. Good that Zwift have some competition though and keep them on their toes, but I'm not moving.
I am going to try this; I use Zwift maybe 3-4 times a month, so it costs me way too much.
Same
My Whoosh is really awesome. Since the latest update they have outshined Zwift in graphics and the real-life look and feel. Unfortunately My Whoosh is not compatible with many smart turbo trainers so the resistance on my Saris Hammer is not controlled via the ERG or control function. If My Whoosh can fix that I will move over. But until then, Zwift is still my number one choice
UAE has big $$$$. Wouldn't it be more cost effective to buy Zwift?
Or maybe they want to use the LIV Golf model.
I don't see Saris H3 under recommended equipment. I will post the question to their website.
I would expect Europe to be added, after all it does host some major cycling events. At least that's what I've heard (snarky).
I did try it beginning of the year - I am jumping from running/cycling all the time (depending on next race) so the Zwift subscription seemed a bit too much for not being active all the time.
I uninstalled it because my gf called me during a workout (I was using my Android phone (latest Android)) and then the workout could not be resumed and I had to start a new one. Being interested in numbers I lost some data and it didn't feel good. Probably the solution is for the app to ask for additional permissions so it can run in the background (as Pixel phones are restrictive my default).
Anyway - I will give it another try when the weather worsens and I restart my off season training.
Will the Zwift crazy price hike be the straw that breaks the Zwift camel's back? I quite like Whoosh as it is a 'back to basics' platform that dumps all of the complexities of Zwift and (important for me), the worlds seem much better built. However, I don't understand why there are no European routes (except for Belgium). Where are the climbs of France, Italy and Spain?
Hi, can i connect my speed sensor with this app? I just only have roller trainer
Not at this time. They are working on allowing speed sensors but not yet available.
indievelo review perhaps?
Good, well researched video. Thanks for posting. When it comes to Mac I'll have a try.
These platform graphics all look like a 1980's video game. I'll stick to ROUVY which is miles ahead and steadily improving.
I have made the switch and I’m really enjoying it! As a level 60 zwifter I’ve “finished” Zwift so I’m looking for something new to level up on.
I can’t seem to find any info on MyWhoosh, like does bikes and wheels make you faster then other or how much time it takes to level up.
I reached out to them and they said there are 50 levels currently and it’s about ride time. Still want some more information on it.
Thanks for a good run down. I'll try it and see how it is
Zwift was also free when it first launched and this will also cost at sometime in the future, the cost of development is massive
It’s sponsored by the Emirate state. Money is not a problem. 😅
Ofc there will be cost. This is how they suck ppl in. Offer something basic for free leaving out major basic components, then once you get a strong following you add some features and then add a cost to it.
Its always about the money.
I quit Zwift after 4years! My Whoosh,ROUVY,Fulgaz…. where i go now,more affordable in the long run.😉
Nice review! Thanks! I will try it! Is there a useable elevation map while riding? Because Zwift HUD is lack of this feature.
Decided to download on my IPad based on this review. Download requires 2.75Gb of storage. Zwift is 34Mb. Didn’t bother.
I'll try it when they have it on an iOS platform. Sounds interesting though. I like new worlds. Zwift doesn't seem to roll them out fast enough. If they think (Zwift) that it will be too many, they can retire some routes. But I guess that's another discussion. Thanks for the insight.
Its already available on the app store on ios.
Good to know. Thank you! @@MrLPwithFun
It looks promising, but the lack of MacOS and Apple TV support is a knock-out criterion for me.I know a few Zwift competitors, but I had never heard of MyWoosh before.
Thanks for this review. I love the idea of free, but on problem - I am 60 account creation would only accept 1970 very weird.
Another person pointed the 1970 issue out. They were able to sign up with a different year and then updated their profile with the correct year. Clearly a bug MyWhoosh need to address.
In my experience it's mostly full of bots masquerading as real riders. You aren't going to goad anyone into a game of cat and mouse, like you can on Zwift.
Might want to add that it says your ANT+ stuff will only connect on Windows devices. Won’t work on anything Apple/Mac or Android. Would have saved me 30 min of frustration trying to get stuff to connect if someone had just said that upfront.
Is the Virtufit Etappe 2.0 also compatibel with MyWhoosh? Or is the Zycle Zdrive the cheapest option when wanting a quiet indoor bike (magnetic resistance and V-belt)?
I don’t know who is the target audience for those social features to be honest. I’m ditching Zwift as we speak, just need to synchronise my TP calendar. I would do my trainings with Garmin if they ever figured out a proper erg control, but so far no luck.
I would try this app if it was on Apple TV or if you could stream it through some other device.
I tried in my windows computer but it’s “heavy”. I’m using in my iPhone and syncing it to my tv. Not the best graphics as in PC, but runs smoothless
Do they have an FTP test?
Not being available on the most cost effective and used zwift hardware setup is undoubtedly the biggest road block. Needs to be on Apple TV.
Its never cost effective to buy an Apple product.
@@alexbergkvist7214🤦♂️
@@alexbergkvist7214is there a cheaper dedicated solution in this case?
@@alexbergkvist7214 Ah Ha hah ...truth.
Apple tv cost effective? Bro you gotta be apples marketing employee 😂
Using it with my Stages SB20, for structured workouts on ERG mode. Very happy as I'm an infrequent user and wouldn't pay the Zwift fee as I don't use it sufficiently. Bravo UAE!!!!
My problem with Mywhoosh for now is the list of compatible devices, it doesn't work on my ipad which i use for zwift, it doesn't have a MAC app, my laptop also doesn't have enough power to run Mywhoosh, in all of them i can run zwift without any problem. My only compatible device is an iphone, i tried on that but I refuse to use such a small screen to run mywhoosh
Certainly going to download it this weekend
I don't know... I used to ride Zwift but I am really bored of this virtual reality apps. I switched to Rouvy and am very satisfied with the real-world routes and possibility to visit different places from my living room. Would be curious if there is a similar "rival" to Rouvy on the market...
Haven't used it, because there is no Apple tvOS version available. Using Zwift a lot in the winter months. Tried Rolla and Rouvy too. But both were too buggy for me.
Excellent and objective review. Good job
Thank you
I’m happy with Zwift it suites me fine and ok has a little cost but its worth it thanks for this thought as where about it only today
Is the TrainingPeaks functionality corrected for time yet? In the USA, I get my TP workout at midnight. When I tried to use the workout with MyWhoosh, it was always loaded on the MyWhoosh calendar for the previous day, making it unavailable to select in the calendar. So the workout which I receive on my Wednesday for example, is loaded in MyWhoosh on Tuesday, but since it's Wednesday I cannot select Tuesday's workouts... And what's very odd is that even if I change my TP upload to 6:00 AM Wednesday, it still loads into MyWhoosh on "Tuesday" even if it wasn't there and available on actual Tuesday. I spent too much time trying to get MyWhoosh to help me resolve this to go back now and try again. If someone knows it works in the USA now, please tell me. Thanks!
I noticed this issue too early on. However it seems to be resolved now and my TP workouts are showing up correctly.
@@SmartBikeTrainers OK, thank you! I will look into it again. I appreciate your response.
Last time I tried Zwift (early 2018 ?), the installation and updating process was soooo annoying. And the hardware requirements were soooo high. And the race realism was soooo bad.
MyWhoosh may be better (could it really be worse ?). But 1- I don't race ; 2- I don't care about braking in a bend ; 3- I prefer to ride solo and in realistic roads and landscapes that I may someday have the chance to ride IRL ; and if I train, I need to be focused on my effort, not on what others are doing.
Rouvy will still be my choice this Autumn/Winter. BTW, I will probably re-ride the roads I rode last Winter, and be able to see if I can get PRs. And try to push myself on some of their segments. Another nice thing is that it runs on my tablet. :-) I will try to run it on my Linux based PC, with Waydroid, to enjoy Rouvy on a bigger screen and resolution (and if it works, I will get a second monitor just for that !).
Have to disagree on Zwift's hardware requirements. It's actually quite low and unheard of for a gaming 3D graphic platform. In fact, it does not come close to leveraging even mid range hardware.
Same here. Zwift routes and ride almosphere are boring to me. I too prefer realistic routes and focus on my training, not on interactions with other riders. Tried Sufferfest before Zwift and I actually prefer the former.
M’kay
I will stay with Zwift thanks.
Thanks for the review
Hi, great video! i would like to use my zwift ride with mywhoosh but but i can't figure out if the virtual shifting function exists in the app or is it a function that I would go to lose
There is no virtual shifting in MyWhoosh. I made a video on this here:
Zwift Cog Compatibility Explained: Does It Limit Your Cycling App Choices?
ruclips.net/video/o65CxiCY7Po/видео.html
Good review. I just tried to sign up, but their registration does not accept birthyears before 1970 :-) Very weird limitation. Obviously a bug (?), but how can such a bug go unnoticed and unfixed?
Ah, OK - it can be changed after first login. Still, weird limitation during registration.
Ugh… that’s weird for sure. Thanks for the feedback. Hopefully they see your comment and fix it :)
Tariq thanks :) Nice review :)
Am definitely going to try it now.
Thank you for this vdo.
Is it possible to ride your own road like Wahoo magic road?
No they don’t offer that feature at the moment.