To say that Gods success or failure, or Christ success or failure on the cross depends on Mans decision or actions? is to elevate Man to the status of God
What's the very meaning of "justification is not something done once and for always in time"? I understand the idea of the christian life to be a continual 'fight' and not a simple decision, but does that mean justification is not accomplished in the act of believing?
Chris Halverson // Hey man. What are you a Lutheran pastor or something?? :) Of course, bear in mind that they've walked through the alien righteousness bit in the context of Luther's breakthrough, but it bears repeating again here, too. By vocation do you mean Christian vocation itself to all walks of life? If so I had an entirely separte lecture on that one. As always, the issue is how to say everything without making each lecture 2 hours long, while not leaving off bits that a true Lutheran would believe are essential.
Why do you think it is that Melanchton is so under-appreciated by historians in general today when it was really his linguistic and academic encyclopedic knowledge that gave Luther the intellectual credibility he needed in Germany at the time? Always wondered why that was..
wasteofspace20 // Great question, man. Really it comes down to the way research went until very recenty. Most of these 'minor figures' were left off of the old Great Figures approach to history, and in particular the early 20th century loved to look for one great leader to be the fountain of every idea. Thankfully modern historians don't go there anymore. Another reason is there is not a lot of interest in publications. Luther has become somewhat of a cartoon character for people--they love him even if they don't know him. So for example the Lego figure of Martin Luther becomes their best-selling Lego in history. There is a rising tide of Melanchthon work, yet it really functions more as academic pieces. He is appreciated by historians of the Reformation, but there has yet to be a great popular book that weaves him into the story for people to realize how significant he was.
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This is my first time really hearing Martin Luther's teachings, and wow, I can't believe how Lutheran I am.
I am so confused on how to cite this as a source in MLA format #help
To say that Gods success or failure, or Christ success or failure on the cross depends on Mans decision or actions? is to elevate Man to the status of God
What's the very meaning of "justification is not something done once and for always in time"? I understand the idea of the christian life to be a continual 'fight' and not a simple decision, but does that mean justification is not accomplished in the act of believing?
Roberto Salas I have no idea. The more I learn, the more confused I am.
Two phrases that I think a Lutheran description ought to include:
1. "Alien works of God "
2. Vocation along with the liturgy.
Chris Halverson // Hey man. What are you a Lutheran pastor or something?? :) Of course, bear in mind that they've walked through the alien righteousness bit in the context of Luther's breakthrough, but it bears repeating again here, too. By vocation do you mean Christian vocation itself to all walks of life? If so I had an entirely separte lecture on that one. As always, the issue is how to say everything without making each lecture 2 hours long, while not leaving off bits that a true Lutheran would believe are essential.
Andy Mckee in the intro?
Why do you think it is that Melanchton is so under-appreciated by historians in general today when it was really his linguistic and academic encyclopedic knowledge that gave Luther the intellectual credibility he needed in Germany at the time? Always wondered why that was..
wasteofspace20 // Great question, man. Really it comes down to the way research went until very recenty. Most of these 'minor figures' were left off of the old Great Figures approach to history, and in particular the early 20th century loved to look for one great leader to be the fountain of every idea. Thankfully modern historians don't go there anymore. Another reason is there is not a lot of interest in publications. Luther has become somewhat of a cartoon character for people--they love him even if they don't know him. So for example the Lego figure of Martin Luther becomes their best-selling Lego in history.
There is a rising tide of Melanchthon work, yet it really functions more as academic pieces. He is appreciated by historians of the Reformation, but there has yet to be a great popular book that weaves him into the story for people to realize how significant he was.
Read Wengert or Lohrmann.