Demon Fe here. I'm not afraid of physical pain or paperwork. I'm afraid of what the doctors and nurses are going to think about me when they look inside my mouth. Don't think I don't see those judgmental gazes!
@@CaveyMoth same here. I'm worried about how I'll get to the place, how and what they will ask me and I won't know the answers to more than anything else. And that they'll judge me for not going to the dentist twice a year or whatever they recommend
That's my life buddy. They don't notice nor care my effort and efficiency throughout the time but when i f#ck up, they throw all their trust away. It make me question do i really need my tribe since they only love to highlight my shortcomings or it is just in my mind? ~ISTP :')
@@lailaisaidit2223 It does seem that all people do is criticize, but I think it's really that the negative takes a much bigger place in our brains. It is like a survival mechanism. You have to focus on the negative to "survive". So it's easy to overlook the positive. Whenever I get criticism, I try to also remember positive things people have said about me, or things I've done that people have complimented. Evens it out.
INFP - I'm afraid to be dependent on others and to be let down. I value my independence and being able to do my own thing when I want. I hate asking for things out of need, but I'll easily ask for something I could get or do myself, purely out of convenience. Not sure if that makes sense. You're right about freaking out on camera - I'd rather swallow a cactus than lose my composure in front of ppl. I also find myself really concerned about portraying the right image - I want to be looked at and admired, not looked at and judged harshly. I've never taken criticism well, but I'm working on that. And I really do walk around thinking I'm awesome lol Thanks for the breakdown and all your vids!!
@@meredith18352 I wouldn't say so. The Fi is concerned with the self and normally this translates into the tribe not turning up the way that the Fi requires it because to them it's the tribe's responsibility not to do things that would pop the Fi belief bubble.
@@meredith18352 I'm an Fi dom and i feel that way. Afraid and insecure that what i do never measured up to what people needed and had standards for. I'm haunted by the times i said i would do something for someone but failed them.
Very interesting. I'm an INFP and started a side business last year (in addition to full time job), and I have been putting off sharing this with my family. I'm imagining questions, criticism, judgment, doubts... I would much rather keep going forward by myself and tell my family once it's actually successful (hope it is but u never know). So yeah, the tribe Fe judgment is terrifying.
I 100% feel this. Just wanting to start something but not wanting to tell anyone even if you are super excited about it because you don't want to be judged. We can't even ask for help, not because we don't think people will help, but because we don't want anyone to find out. It's such a struggle that cause us to take forever to actually do things, God forbid we actually get to the point we are proud of something we made and the tribe doesn't get it. Thus, hyperindependence and doing w/e I want. That's at least how it is for me at least.
I stopped my business about 2 years ago and I haven't told a lot of my family (especially my in-laws, lol). I don't want the questions and have to explain myself. I gave it a lot of thought and I have my reasons. Word will probably spread and then everyone will think I'm "lazy" or something, lol. - intp
I did before, but believe your own intuition. It works 👍 your subconscious can work for you sometimes, at least in my experience (tested as an INFP first time on IDRLabs). I know it sounds like some wishy-washy spiritual type shit. But, what I’m saying here is how it works, I often over-think and over-analyze everything, to the smallest details, and honestly; it actually sometimes creates problems for me. When you believe in yourself (I’ve actually tested this out in real life; social conversations, and decision making, etc.) you become more in tune with yourself and the actual information you have stored in you, and are able to actually use it effectively. It’s like when you over-think and doubt yourself, when it comes to decision making, you can actually end up making poorer decisions; but, if you just believe that you know what you are doing, and not Ti’ing in the moment, just Se’ing, it works 👍 sometimes, all you need is to take a breather and just go with the flow. Trust me.
As one who has struggled with how the tribe perceives me (my life story), I felt this one. As not knowing how the tribe feels about me has really bothered me, I would often guess about their feelings, often times getting it wrong. So instead of assuming this guy hates me, I would dig on myself and they would respond with their true feelings, "what no way dude!" Which would bring clarity or they would agree 😳 either way nit taking myself too seriously was the key and listening to others insight about myself has been fundamental in feeling comfortable in my own skin.
I think what IxxPs really "want" are for people to not unload their unresolved personal problems & psychological traumas on them when they deliver criticism. I appreciate criticism, but when someone is doing it just to be the bigger self righteous asshole between us, that's different.
Ikr, we can see through their BS, especially from the people we know e.g. friends amd family, thats why I appreciate criticisms more from complete strangers.
Most of the criticism I've gotten in life was just something someone took personally because they are too sensitive, close-minded, and/or just misunderstood something I said. I don't mind constructive criticism at all; I may or may not use it or change myself or how I'm doing something. It is character assassination that bothers me the most. - intp
It’s important to know the intention behind the criticism i.e. whether is to correct something or is to put down someone. When I understand that, I behave accordingly with the criticizer.
I was unsure for a while if I was an Observer or Decider because I’d be afraid of handling the "thing." Until I realized it wasn’t the coffee machine (or whatever) that scared me. My fear was that, not being able to operate the coffee machine would somehow make the tribe hate me and think I’m stupid.
INTP: "I am the smartest person in the world." 2 hours later: " I don't know anything." ISTP: "I am the most capable person in the world." 2 hours later: "I can't do anything right." INFP: "I am the most unique person in the universe." 2 hours later: "I'm a nobody." ISFP: "I am the most productive person in the world." 2 hours later:" I'm so lazy."
Just check your forehead for a bruise and that is an exxj. YES! I am an introvert and my ESTJ manager is the worst thing that ever happened to me. Micromanaging, bulldozing over anyone they hate, and still finds the time to have the daily put downs while amping up the pressure. They literally came right out and told me I was the hardest person to get along with and anyone else in the world would be easier to get along with than me. All of this was right before they said they hate introverts and claim I am too hard to read because I am not outgoing like everyone else. 30% of all of the therapy I have been in since COVID is to deal with the abuse from this manager because I cannot find anything better yet. I have gotten cards and thank you's from people in different departments praising my work and how thankful they are for what I do. My manager is never satisfied and would watch me work myself into an early grave before going easy on me and giving me credit for what I do. ENTJs and ESTJs make my life miserable. They need to chill and stop forcing their opinions and will on everyone for every little thing.
Yeah, totally understand cause I been there. Keep looking for a better job. ExxJ managers especially ExTJ are the worst because they are needlessly pushy and mean a lot of the time.
I don't freak out over anything, probably because my entire life, likely even before I can remember, was the IxxP nightmare. I know what real rejection looks like.
ENTJ here, similar story, I scheduled a massage appointment 3 times, and had to cancel all those times, because something else came up, after that never called the massage centre again. Hope you already have, but in case you haven't, just find another dentist, and go there.
Can this also work the opposite way? Where the IXXP constantly thinks lowly of themselves and end up being surprised that the tribe actually thinks they’re awesome or above where the IXXP thought they were in relation to the tribe. 🤔
yes that happend especialy ISFP,s, way to often. Its mostly the Fault of a Toxic TE/FE heavy social environment, which is just so Dumb that it supreses,Personal Growth trought FI, for the sake of frictionless working of Tribe-selection Running.
I think essentially the IP does not KNOW what their value is from the perspective of the tribe, meaning their estimation may be much too high or also too low. They basically always feel perpetually uncertain about it and even feel super confident or super inconfident at the same time. This is the opposite of the EJ's which know exactly where they stand when it comes to the judgement of the tribe, which will problably a much more finetuned, grey, more neutral judgment in the middle whereas the IP will assume it's either black or white (very good or very bad).
These descriptions make me reconsider my INFP type. I do not think I’m awesome in any respect (the reverse) and am often ‘helpfully’ criticised for gathering other’s perspectives, from a varied tribe, especially prior to major decisions (to uncover aspects I hadn’t considered). It’s a slow and confusing process sometimes losing my own perspective from gathering too much information.
@@ecatcheshire9741 do you think you're an ENFP then? For what it's worth, i don't think what you've described sounds at all inconsistent with my experience of being an Fi dom.
@@JosiahMcCarthy thanks for your comment, it’s helpful knowing you recognise and are Fi Dom. I am unclear and hope pursuing Objective Personality coins will clarify. I never recognised myself as an INFP ‘creative’ tho I’ve always got that result. External creative environments elude me. I’m slightly repelled by the self centredness traits. My intensely I friends say I demonstrate more E behaviour than them, tho they are all I**J. Maintaining friendships - mainly 1:1 is exhausting due to distance. I see my few friends regularly, not frequently. I hugely appreciate when less effort/planning are needed to achieve connection. Carno commented above about the influence of toxic TE/FE social environment, this certainly influenced my early life at home and in work. I internalised negative attitudes to and misjudgements of INFP traits.
Even though I am an Exx (Se/Ti), I couldn't agree more about paperwork fears and computer updates and shit like that. There's always a problem that isn't supposed to be there that I have to deal with. Just yesterday, I got a new chair for my office and I decided to bring it to work and put it together on 4th of July because no one was there and of course one of the bolts didn't go in properly because it was manufactured poorly and was stripped... so I had to go to Home Depot and find a thinner bolt that would fit but not too thin so I had to buy five extra than what I needed to make sure one of them would be right... and get an extra screwdriver that I didn't need, so that I could go back to the office and put it on right without having to go home and come back first, so that I can have a nice morning (this morning) going back to work while everyone else is off...
I can relate. You're all set to get a project done and the something derails you, and then you're pissed. Then I cool off, and go fix the damn problem. ESTP
As an IP, I find dealing with people to be fine, as long as it’s one on one. But get a dozen people in a group and it’s a nightmare. Someone’s going to start some stupid drama over something unimportant. Gathering of small, close knit groups are cool, you get to actually connect. Gatherings larger than about 6 mean you cannot have any depth of interaction with everyone, so you either try to have to have brief, shallow interactions with all of them or exclude people to have decent interactions with only a part of the group. Or if you see them often, you can take turns who to prioritise.
It's not that we walk around thinking we're awesome all day long. It's just that we have no idea how to accurately gauge our standing in society. And we see the effect that has on us and we try to check and correct it. We cant handle praise or blame responsibly. We either think everything is fine or we think we're the biggest idiot and piece of shit ever. We know that meeting the endless expectations and demands of the tribe is unrealistic for anyone and that much of the time those demands are unnecessary, unfair, illogical, immoral, harmful, selfish, stupid, bullshit ect. There is a cap to how much energy we can pump out and how much "yielding to the tribe" is practical, reasonable and fair to ourselves and even the people around us. The greater good isnt always what the masses demand and isnt always what's popular or what affects things on a larger scale. To us everything is nuanced and we just want to make sure we aren't part of the problem. It's not that we cant fit playing by the tribe's rules into our worldview it's just that we see where the tribe is going wrong and try to make sure we never become that. If that makes sense. Granted there are times where the selfish IxxP thing does apply but how the self vs tribe dynamic isnt always that black and white. I'm also not saying that your assessment isnt largely true because it is. It's just that there's more to the story. And yes I know, that's all according to my biases as a SC/PB Infp. We have to pay attention to pay to ourselves because we see all the people who aren't and all the damage its causing to the world around us. And again I feel the need to reiterate I'm not trying to make excuses I'm just trying to Te explain and give insight. For whatever it's worth to anyone.
Yesssss.. that deep insight you gave there is actually the gift on IxxP to the world, how we can see the bigger picture and yield the personal responsibility that lies on each one of us in making things better.. we might seem self-indulgent but it's because we understand that somehow the only way we can influence things/others is thru becoming a role model ourselves instead of just preaching (of course this is the case for the more mature and healthy IxxPs).
My biggest fears always about what people are going to think about me. Only because just like you guys had said, WE IP'S CAN'T RELATE TO OTHER TRIBE MEMBERS.😩😩😩
I'm an ISFP, and I don't like doing what the tribe likes or needs. I used to be so scared of the tribe that I constantly caved in and betrayed, hated and blamed myself. I tried to harden up by actually "doing what is necessary," and it's only in recent years (I'm 30) that I've learnt to actually double down on my Fi and tell myself to ignore the tribe. I say I'm awesome when I do something for my soul, because "the tribe" doesn't deserve my efforts. When I do invest in someone else it's because it's important to me personally, never because I hope they like it. When I write, I do it for personal reasons and never aim to publish, and I don't go to the dentist because going, meeting them, answering their stupid, irrelevant questions and getting no useful information back
Not sure if i'm IxxP, but one of my biggest fears was (and probably still is) going outside to places like grocery stores and such, but the one where you have to talk to cashiers and others, ask them to sell you food and goods and stuff. And the fear comes from being looked at as an alien for asking stupid questions, being laughed and smiled at as if i'm dumb and don't know what i want and how to ask for stuff... This is THE MOST stupid thing anyone can do in my eyes. This led me to stay away from such things and lean towards online shopping like 95% Fuck them, they can laugh at their own stupidity in the mirror :D The other fear is being controlled and watched over, robbed of free time and forced into a routine with consistent checkups on my progress... this is just UGH! For Christ sake, leave me the fuck alone and let me concentrate and get the flow going naturally! If you want this task to be done as efficient and fast as YOU see it - you better off doing it yourself then. You won't have to check up on anything, you'll have your full control over it =)
I started this shutdown trying to uncover my type. I’ve never agreed with ENTJ most likely or INTJ. Watching you guys have helped. ENTP, so much makes sense. I’ve actually written papers arguing both for and against the same thing. I claim headache to keep from filling out my own paperwork then I get offended when someone ask me questions. I real world go hungry because I don’t want to cook or go to grocery store. I won’t even get into not making decisions with regards to self. Anyway thank you.
That going hungry cuz can’t bother cooking is a real thing 🤣👏🏻 also the paperwork, gotta procrastinate till almost deadline lol, this is why you gotta find a body to do those things for you, that was my best solution haha
Lol cheers to being partnered with an ENTJ who will fill out the paperwork for you (thank god). Pretty sure I’m ixxp, and what’s funny is even though from the outside we might look like a bunch of selfish delusional asshats, we think that’s what everyone else is doing too. We view everyone else’s individuality from the same perspective that we view our own: right for autonomy, right to be constantly introspective, etc.
So true. As INTJ with mild agoraphobia (demon Se) I had my dentist come as a recommendation from ESFP, then I google-map stalked the place, where it is and how to get there and best low-people time to go... ugh. I got there tho, and I'm glad. Best dentist ever! Dentist for life now haha. Whenever ESFP says "I have to go to my dentist..." I correct her "OUR dentist you mean...." hahaha.
Oh my god this is so me as an INFJ. I think of all the scenarios that could happen in my head like for example if we’re talking about a treatment plan or something. Im like okay ‘a’ or ‘b’ could be suggested, but also they could suggest some other third thing that is out of my predicting realm right now. So I even prepare myself for the ‘x’ scenario that I cannot predict. Predicting what I cannot predict hahaha
INTP here… It’s 4th of July… Me and my gf came home midday… I begin to play games on my laptop… She gets mad because I’m not engaging on a holiday… IXXP screw up.
You guys typed as ENFP when I thought I was an INFP in the past. Over the past few months, even going back to before I got typed, I have been kind of realizing that I have been more quick to see where I was pissing off the tribe or maybe "Not all that." The area that has really been an eye opener was getting typed sleep last, which was a shock because I spend most of my time by myself and thinking on my own. I started realizing that a lot of this time alone was not super efficient, could be overly negative, and I got called out by Kendrick Uy (Male ENFP) for not telling people how I feel. I wasn't giving those emotional owie reports that sleep saviors are supposed to be able to do. It's been a wake up call. (Self typed INFP, got shaved as an #mfNeFiCPBS #ENFP)
INTP, greatest fear, being responsible. Being in put charge when you are not ready, having people exclusively rely on you, and the effort necessary to make that happen... fuck that. Being responsible for the tribe, solely responsible, is more than making people feel happy with like the vibe, and whatever you do will anger the tribe, fuck the tribe.
I don't go to the dentist for that exact same reason: The pain, the sound, and my knees possibly buckling from whatever, even when it's just the electric toothbrush whitening my teeth. That level of sensory overload while I'm stuck on the chair is so unnerving, I'd save up to pay extra so I can do whatever while I'm conked out with anaesthetics. I loved the paperwork, though.
The end of this really hits home, haven't been to the doctor in like 5 years (I've had chronic back pain & chronic migraines for over 15 years).... still not going XD good luck other IxxJs
Pretty sure I'm a decider but tryin to confirm what type (might just be INFP like I've always thought, but I'm keeping an open mind post discovering OP in case I'm a peacocking ExxJ or whatever). The IxxPs going around thinking they're awesome thing threw me off initially, like Jerry Seinfeld. When I think about it I feel that's true of me, but I don't relate upon first hearing it because even though I like me, the tribe has historically not liked me so I've grown to have bad self-esteem around other people. I do run around with a bit of that EJ "I'm not good enough" when objective standards come into play, but you won't see my freakouts. You won't even see me cry or sweat if I can help it. But subtract the tribe from the situation and I do like myself quite a bit, so I want nothing to do with the tribe.
I think it’s more about wanting to be awesome more then automatically thinking that you are awesome. If IxxP’s have a need to be highly valued then they also would recognize when they’re not being valued. I would say it’s a need to be valued and perceived as valuable and not simply assuming you are. This is what seems correct to me. I think I’m an Intp but don’t really know.
I relate to your comment. Self typed as an INFP based on cognitive functions vs a test, but still trying to learn and understand OP. I did a transpersonal counseling program that was highly experiential, Gestalt, reenactments and group therapy oriented. While parts were extremely good for me, in many ways it was retraumatizing for this very reason. I was judged pretty harshly by my fellow students in the end, because I wasn't having emotional outbursts like everyone else in the group setting. But I never ever will. Growing up it was not really allowed for various reasons. I wish I could, because keeping everything internal affects my health, but if I couldn't do it after three years with the same group of classmates in such an intimate and emotionally open environment, it ain't gonna happen.
@@jack76787 This would make a lot of sense. While I don't always think the best of myself and never act that way either, there is a need to be valuable. Like in Dave's example with the employee of the month, even coming in average which is more common for me than being last is upsetting, and feeling undervalued was part of why I wanted to move on from my last two jobs. Though I lack some drive, I'm competitive, I have high standards for myself and I do desire greatness in what I do, but I don't want to be admired on a widescale.
@@AndreaCrisp I was judged harshly for being a very sensitive child. I was told not to cry and I was treated like my feelings were nonexistent and no big deal. I still cry because I find I need to regularly, but it's something I prefer to do privately away from people's judgment.
My greatest dentist fear is the dentist not doing his job well or that's he's doing it wrong, like filling the wrong tooth, or missing cavities, so then when I come back the next time it's worse and I have to undergo something heavier. ughhhh, hate that. When I went to the hospital to get a suspicious birthmark removed I had the same fear. I could even hear them whispering behind me 'which birthmark was it, was it this one? yeah /distracted pause\ I think so'. WELL YOU BETTER GO FUCKING CHECK, DO I HAVE TO SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU, DO I NEED TO TEACH YOU HOW TO FUCKING DO YOUR JOB? CHECK THE DAMN COMPUTER. WHY DO YOU EVEN NEED TO CHECK THIS, YOU SHOULD'VE CHECKED THIS BEFORE I CAME IN. WHAT ELSE HAVEN'T YOU CHECKED???. I was NOT having a great time on that operating table, I can tell you that.
I have had similar thoughts, like what if I die because you can’t see what what is wrong with me, which I am telling them what is wrong with me but they can’t seem to see it which is frustrating as all hell and time is ticking here lol
@@absinthesesotericadventure7631 interesting! I'm bot sure its exactly the same as what I am talking about, but its close. Your answer also sounds a bit nosophobic. The irrational fear of having an illness or reading too much in minor symptoms, for example thinking a small cough has to be cancer. Do you have that tendency? Or am I misreading you?
As an IXXP this video helped me get into architecture school😅 I needed to describe pictures of designs and had guessed that one of the interviewer was an IXXJ so I pointed out the risk of burglaries because of bad design which finally made him interested in what I was saying😅🤦♀️ the other interviewer was Fe/Ni, he became really serious when I said that we should stay logical in the designs (demon Ti?)
You said they're Fe & Ni so demon Ti would be wrong. Ni-Fe is INFJ and they have third slot Ti. Fe-Ni is ENFJ and they have fourth slot Ti. What you said is wrong because demon is called the eighth function apparently
Omg that dentist story, I also didn't go for 6 years because of the paperwork. Also I've been wanting to sell my car for a year now but haven't taken any action because of the paperwork and having to clean it🙄
This is funny. I am not at all afraid of the dentist thing, like those things are just.. normal to me. Fill the paperwork, check it, send it. If something bad happens, then we fix it, the doctors don't want to lose money either. I would be TERRIFIED if the doctor starts insulting me for my mouth telling me that I'm an idiot or something like that. That's hell for me
so I've been meaning to ask this for a very long time. I've been in the typology community for at least 3 years now and I'm pretty sure that I'm an infj. all that demon se struggle is 100% relatable and real for me. but I also have severe social anxiety (diagnosed). so, not that great at engaging with the tribe or not being afraid of what they're thinking about me meaning demon de struggles are also familiar. I don't remember seeing any video of dave and shan differentiating social anxiety of ixxp's and social anxiety as pychopathology. I suppose having social anxiety can't automatically make you a decider, right? so how to tell them apart? because especially when my anxiety gets worse it's really hard to not have an identity crisis.
I’m an infj as well(I think, I’m still learning about myself). In my opinion it’s definitely possible for an infj to have social anxiety as well, even if it’s not psychopathilogical. I think it’s more about the way it manifests that differentiates it from other personality types.
@@cleb5117 ofc everyone regardless of their type can have it and yeah, technically, its manifestation should differ between the types but it's not that easy to pinpoint irl if the condition has become excessively unhealthy or if you don't have any other observations and opinions than your own (maybe needing outside opinions is a sign of fe rather than fi btw. still I can't know for sure as long as it includes pychopathology aspect). and dave and shan are a bit more straightforward and holistic so that's not fully helpful for me. for you, what are some telltale signs of the way an infj manifests compared to, for instance, an infp does?
@@tavrine9729 As you said, it is definitely very difficult to pinpoint it all as there are all kinds of factors that effect it’s manifestation. It seems that Fe users are more in need of outside opinions related to themselves and their feelings, as it is an external judging function. It’s very common for Fe users(especially infjs) to have hard time understanding themselves and their feelings, so it really does help to look outwards. This same concept may apply to anxieties and insecurities as well. Infjs, or any Fe user, will generally care a lot about how people feel about them. What can cause a lot of confusion is that people use “think” and “feel” interchangeably. When I say that infjs will care about how people feel about them, it’s related specifically to emotions rather than logic. For an example, let’s say somebody said you were annoying them. This would probably cause distress, and you may wonder what you’re doing wrong. Now, let’s say someone says that your opinion on a certain subject(unrelated to emotions) is illogical. You may be a little annoyed, but you won’t feel as insecure about it. This is because your “thinking” function is introverted, and your sense of logic is subjective. An infp on the other hand will have the reverse problem. Their feeling function is introverted, and thinking function extroverted. They will generally not be insecure about how others feel, because they judge feelings and morals subjectively. They will however, be more insecure about what people think of them in regards to logic. They need external feedback in relation to logic(similar to how an infj would need external feedback in relation to feelings). This insecurity may be very strong in an infp, as Te is their inferior function. For an infj, Se is their inferior so that can cause some serious anxiety in an infj. That is not to say that they can only be insecure about things related to those specific functions. As you said, anxiety disorders can cause it all to manifest differently. It can cause you to doubt the things you’re normally most confident in. Aside from that, I really hope that you’re doing well right now. Anxiety is a beast, and it can really make everything seem impossible. Putting your feelings out there will definitely help, and it will be way easier to process them that way.
Typically when you see paragraphs of history and exposition focused on the self, you're reading Si speak and most often from INxPs. True INFJs (who are tribe-focused and future-focused) never tend to write paragraphs about their history, questioning who they are.
@@tavrine9729 Looking back at it, I went a little off the rails with that comment. To sum it up, both infjs and ixxps can have anxieties about the tribe. Ixxps are more likely to feel anxious about Te related stuff, while infjs may feel anxious about Se related stuff. That can cause a lot of confusion as Se and Te can appear similar to each other.
Me entp I love the dentist. Feels like I'm getting accurate information about the quality of my teeth and an cheat code to compensate for my poor flossing 😄
My current freakout is that my phone keeps sending me pop up bubble notifications that it may not function properly with only 3 gig of memory remaining, when *"I KNOW IT DOESN'T NEED MORE THAN 3 FUCKING GIG OF REMAINING MEMORY TO FUNCTION PROPERLY."* 🤣🤣🤣
Many of the IP's I know are extremely hard on themselves, never think they're doing enough, and are terrified to ask for help because if they do that means they have to be involved in the tribe in some way. We do not want to show weakness or ask for help because we must be self-reliant. If we can do everything on our own that means we aren't being a burden to the tribe, we can do our own thing and do it perfectly, and the tribe can focus on other things. We want to provide value to the tribe, we just want to do it on our own terms without needing anything from the tribe and without the tribe infringing on our autonomy. I will say that when I was younger I was a know-it-all, thought society (the tribe) was full of idiots, and thought very highly of myself because I knew how things "should" be working, but then reality sets in and tends to humble you. Maybe a lot of IP's you talk to just haven't been humbled enough to realize that they aren't outsiders looking in, but they are a part of the same circus and are just as incompetent as anyone else, they just pretend to be separate from it because then they can live in their delulu fantasy world where they have it all figured out without actually having to work together in a complex and multifaceted society.
Weird how this is supposed to be a video about IxxP’s, but it is a few minutes of the most superficial take ever on IxxPs and then just mostly an IxxJ video.
@@affectojfgidi1246 Yes. They, themselves, are not superficial I am critiquing this one video, not their entire oeuvre. However, TBH, they are by and large pretty facile when talking about IxxP's, and as an IxxP I am within my rights to call it out.
What is the type of a person who goes full angry name calling when someone is disagreeing with and having this whole agenda about respect and being valued but centered around oneself? Is it IxxP type? It is the person who bluntly will disagree with you also so low Fe/Te? This person has some narcissistic charcteristics also but It really seems to be his basic personality. The hatered towards paperwork and going through taxes etc is out of the question too... this person just refuss to do it and someone is filling it instead.
So wait, they think we at first know we didnt do enough and that we got away with it? I dont know i didnt do what sally did cuz i wasnt being competitive like that and spying on her. Then when we get older and realize the expectations and our reputation.. you think we are nonchalant about that, internally!? Maybe this person, this friend you speak of is a sociopath, thereby they don't care for that reason.
They don't have much here, you'd have to subscribe to their classes for in depth info like that. Instead check out other OP channels like ENFP Male, he has masculine demon Fi and talks about it throughout his interviews.
As a stereotypical isfp artist I constantly think I've made the most amazing thing in the world and then if it's not approved of and appreciated the way I want it to be I get so close to giving up and never trying again it scares me.
I don't see how thats specific for IxxP, you are saying as if the fear of criticism and being shamed is specific only to those types, when in reality It's all about confidence and building self-esteem, which has nothing to do with your type. An IxxJ can also fear of being criticised or being persecuted by others, it really depends on how the types work-around those fears, what motivates them, remember that IxxJ's are also introverts and may less dislike dealing with people. You are also forgetting that an INTJ can be Enneagram 5, which has a fear of appearing incompetent or incapable, same enneagram that an INTP (An IxxP type) can have. This video is bogus because they assign various behaviour to a certain type, which can apply to any type. It just does not make any logical sense, and people are eating that up without any critical thinking.
As an ISTP that has worked for other people but now I am the lead of my own ideas and projects but I still work with people, I agree to the "look at me I am so awesome, look at this amazing thing I did, I get the rest of the day off". However I take it a step further, I know that others will be judging my work and progress, so there is a building "I need to do more and better", and so I do, over a course of time, get a lot done through obsession. I do the most work and the best work, but I would never get an "employee of the month sticker" (employment is a gross thing that I do not participate in btw, just playing the hypothetical game here), because I do tend to have that competitive, look at me, I did most of this and better than the rest attitude, which no one would want to vote for. But I don't care, I'm awesome and people just gotta deal with that.
Dave is turning into a demon. I'm exhausted just hearing him talk about the paperwork and the safari-updates. I used to own an iphone 3gs back in the days. It was _bloody amazing._ A lightning fast touch-screen from the future -then what happened? Apple proceeded with an OS update that I had not asked for that turned it into a potato. So what did I do? Since it was ruined anyway I did what anyone would do and furiously struck it down with my axe. Then I threw away the pieces in a public trash-can. And I recycle bottle-caps. Haven't bought another smartphone since.
I’m slightly autistic, and I’m not so sure I understand this language in this video and comment section, not sure if I’m supposed to be confused, or if I actually get it, or not 🤔🧐
I have demon Fe that's why i think too high of myself but when I do something wrong I bash on myself only for tribe to think I'm cool but I'm still not sure how tribe feels about me. But people who know me better think I'm cool at least they say it but most people think I'm arrogant but I'm not it's just them who's dumb... Oh, and people think I'm intimidating at for sight but I'm not an ixxj wtf??? I'm afraid of you more then you are afraid of me...
1:24 Me to a tee, but when I AM in the middle of a freak out, I either go to the loo to buy time (especially since I'm not INFP, so I won't cry because I know it's unhelpful to solving the problem at hand that I'm solely responsible to fix), or I just do it as methodically as I can. If I keep chipping away, not even the fastest workers can say that I'm lazy. I can just tap into my ISFP superego (I'm INTP) and say "Screw you, I don't have time to rest. I know you are better at the job than I do, but if you are taking over my work, leave me alone."
Wait. "Hard to *prove..."* Did you mean: "Hard to make a case for..." ? Or... "In all the data we collect, we haven't found (x)..." ? Or was your wording intentional? And please don't relegate this inquiry to the confines of any particular over the internet presumed type. Thanks!
Their model is that they can 'prove' your type. That's why it's 'Objective Personality'. One of the easiest things they look for now (their model develops over time) is what someone freaks out about. And IPs just tend not to freak out in public, so they can't spot the markers as easily.
4:38 four letter names? That's not a thing. There's no rude name you'd call someone that's 4 letters. (oh wait I can think of a few, but not ones you'd normally use for men)
Demon Fe here.
I'm not afraid of physical pain or paperwork. I'm afraid of what the doctors and nurses are going to think about me when they look inside my mouth. Don't think I don't see those judgmental gazes!
No one cares except for other deciders
Demon Te here.
I'm afraid of the awkward conversations...waiting in the waiting room...actually getting TO the appointment. It's a lot to go through.
😂👍
depends if u have bad teeth
@@CaveyMoth same here. I'm worried about how I'll get to the place, how and what they will ask me and I won't know the answers to more than anything else. And that they'll judge me for not going to the dentist twice a year or whatever they recommend
I remember in my darkest moment consciously acknowledging the fear of being “untrustworthy” to the tribe because of incompetency
You said all of this?
@@mjade1673 ...Maybe?
Yeah, I get it. It's a big reason I keep to myself. I don't want to disappoint anyone. ~INFP
That's my life buddy. They don't notice nor care my effort and efficiency throughout the time but when i f#ck up, they throw all their trust away. It make me question do i really need my tribe since they only love to highlight my shortcomings or it is just in my mind? ~ISTP :')
@@lailaisaidit2223 It does seem that all people do is criticize, but I think it's really that the negative takes a much bigger place in our brains. It is like a survival mechanism. You have to focus on the negative to "survive". So it's easy to overlook the positive. Whenever I get criticism, I try to also remember positive things people have said about me, or things I've done that people have complimented. Evens it out.
INFP - I'm afraid to be dependent on others and to be let down. I value my independence and being able to do my own thing when I want. I hate asking for things out of need, but I'll easily ask for something I could get or do myself, purely out of convenience. Not sure if that makes sense. You're right about freaking out on camera - I'd rather swallow a cactus than lose my composure in front of ppl. I also find myself really concerned about portraying the right image - I want to be looked at and admired, not looked at and judged harshly. I've never taken criticism well, but I'm working on that. And I really do walk around thinking I'm awesome lol Thanks for the breakdown and all your vids!!
Aren't you more afraid that you will be the one letting people down? I'm not in any way saying you do but would be what I was more fearful of
@@meredith18352 I wouldn't say so. The Fi is concerned with the self and normally this translates into the tribe not turning up the way that the Fi requires it because to them it's the tribe's responsibility not to do things that would pop the Fi belief bubble.
@@meredith18352 I'm an Fi dom and i feel that way. Afraid and insecure that what i do never measured up to what people needed and had standards for. I'm haunted by the times i said i would do something for someone but failed them.
@@Shirikatsu i think that only describes Fi sometimes. A lot of savior Fi people are not so confident as that. What's your type?
My entp ex was was afraid of depending on others. As he could be controlled by others.
Wow, the physical world is out to get Dave. That is an interesting perspective.
Got em
Very interesting. I'm an INFP and started a side business last year (in addition to full time job), and I have been putting off sharing this with my family. I'm imagining questions, criticism, judgment, doubts... I would much rather keep going forward by myself and tell my family once it's actually successful (hope it is but u never know). So yeah, the tribe Fe judgment is terrifying.
I 100% feel this. Just wanting to start something but not wanting to tell anyone even if you are super excited about it because you don't want to be judged. We can't even ask for help, not because we don't think people will help, but because we don't want anyone to find out. It's such a struggle that cause us to take forever to actually do things, God forbid we actually get to the point we are proud of something we made and the tribe doesn't get it. Thus, hyperindependence and doing w/e I want. That's at least how it is for me at least.
So True. I keep so many ideas to myself for this reason.
I stopped my business about 2 years ago and I haven't told a lot of my family (especially my in-laws, lol). I don't want the questions and have to explain myself. I gave it a lot of thought and I have my reasons. Word will probably spread and then everyone will think I'm "lazy" or something, lol. - intp
"Stop the operation. The paperwork is not finished."
...Can I get some more Novocaine?
INTP here, i question everything, even my own thoughts and opinions
Based and same
Good.
I did before, but believe your own intuition. It works 👍 your subconscious can work for you sometimes, at least in my experience (tested as an INFP first time on IDRLabs). I know it sounds like some wishy-washy spiritual type shit. But, what I’m saying here is how it works, I often over-think and over-analyze everything, to the smallest details, and honestly; it actually sometimes creates problems for me.
When you believe in yourself (I’ve actually tested this out in real life; social conversations, and decision making, etc.) you become more in tune with yourself and the actual information you have stored in you, and are able to actually use it effectively. It’s like when you over-think and doubt yourself, when it comes to decision making, you can actually end up making poorer decisions; but, if you just believe that you know what you are doing, and not Ti’ing in the moment, just Se’ing, it works 👍 sometimes, all you need is to take a breather and just go with the flow. Trust me.
A bit of both is healthy and good, I believe 👍
Same ISTP
Unhealthy INFP here. I walk around thinking I'm a loser. But yes it's a consistent feeling, you're right about it.
As one who has struggled with how the tribe perceives me (my life story), I felt this one. As not knowing how the tribe feels about me has really bothered me, I would often guess about their feelings, often times getting it wrong. So instead of assuming this guy hates me, I would dig on myself and they would respond with their true feelings, "what no way dude!" Which would bring clarity or they would agree 😳 either way nit taking myself too seriously was the key and listening to others insight about myself has been fundamental in feeling comfortable in my own skin.
I think what IxxPs really "want" are for people to not unload their unresolved personal problems & psychological traumas on them when they deliver criticism. I appreciate criticism, but when someone is doing it just to be the bigger self righteous asshole between us, that's different.
Exactly
Ikr, we can see through their BS, especially from the people we know e.g. friends amd family, thats why I appreciate criticisms more from complete strangers.
I can relate to this.
Most of the criticism I've gotten in life was just something someone took personally because they are too sensitive, close-minded, and/or just misunderstood something I said. I don't mind constructive criticism at all; I may or may not use it or change myself or how I'm doing something. It is character assassination that bothers me the most. - intp
It’s important to know the intention behind the criticism i.e. whether is to correct something or is to put down someone.
When I understand that, I behave accordingly with the criticizer.
I was unsure for a while if I was an Observer or Decider because I’d be afraid of handling the "thing." Until I realized it wasn’t the coffee machine (or whatever) that scared me. My fear was that, not being able to operate the coffee machine would somehow make the tribe hate me and think I’m stupid.
INTP: "I am the smartest person in the world."
2 hours later: " I don't know anything."
ISTP: "I am the most capable person in the world."
2 hours later: "I can't do anything right."
INFP: "I am the most unique person in the universe."
2 hours later: "I'm a nobody."
ISFP: "I am the most productive person in the world."
2 hours later:" I'm so lazy."
Just check your forehead for a bruise and that is an exxj. YES! I am an introvert and my ESTJ manager is the worst thing that ever happened to me. Micromanaging, bulldozing over anyone they hate, and still finds the time to have the daily put downs while amping up the pressure. They literally came right out and told me I was the hardest person to get along with and anyone else in the world would be easier to get along with than me. All of this was right before they said they hate introverts and claim I am too hard to read because I am not outgoing like everyone else. 30% of all of the therapy I have been in since COVID is to deal with the abuse from this manager because I cannot find anything better yet. I have gotten cards and thank you's from people in different departments praising my work and how thankful they are for what I do. My manager is never satisfied and would watch me work myself into an early grave before going easy on me and giving me credit for what I do.
ENTJs and ESTJs make my life miserable. They need to chill and stop forcing their opinions and will on everyone for every little thing.
Yeah, totally understand cause I been there. Keep looking for a better job. ExxJ managers especially ExTJ are the worst because they are needlessly pushy and mean a lot of the time.
I don't freak out over anything, probably because my entire life, likely even before I can remember, was the IxxP nightmare. I know what real rejection looks like.
I felt that
Yeah so as an INTP I stopped going to the dentist because I kept accidentally missing my appointments and was scared of them judging me
ENTJ here, similar story, I scheduled a massage appointment 3 times, and had to cancel all those times, because something else came up, after that never called the massage centre again. Hope you already have, but in case you haven't, just find another dentist, and go there.
I love how she laughs at his rants - they're having such a blast, so entertaining
@N Y wow, those are some negative feelings
To be incompetent or become dependent would blow more than anything else!!
Shave: Hey IxxP, so what do you fear?
IxxP's: Uhh you...
My I**P people keep me from completely losing it and they really are awesome!!
Can this also work the opposite way? Where the IXXP constantly thinks lowly of themselves and end up being surprised that the tribe actually thinks they’re awesome or above where the IXXP thought they were in relation to the tribe. 🤔
yes that happend especialy ISFP,s, way to often. Its mostly the Fault of a Toxic TE/FE heavy social environment, which is just so Dumb that it supreses,Personal Growth trought FI, for the sake of frictionless working of Tribe-selection Running.
I think essentially the IP does not KNOW what their value is from the perspective of the tribe, meaning their estimation may be much too high or also too low. They basically always feel perpetually uncertain about it and even feel super confident or super inconfident at the same time. This is the opposite of the EJ's which know exactly where they stand when it comes to the judgement of the tribe, which will problably a much more finetuned, grey, more neutral judgment in the middle whereas the IP will assume it's either black or white (very good or very bad).
These descriptions make me reconsider my INFP type. I do not think I’m awesome in any respect (the reverse) and am often ‘helpfully’ criticised for gathering other’s perspectives, from a varied tribe, especially prior to major decisions (to uncover aspects I hadn’t considered). It’s a slow and confusing process sometimes losing my own perspective from gathering too much information.
@@ecatcheshire9741 do you think you're an ENFP then? For what it's worth, i don't think what you've described sounds at all inconsistent with my experience of being an Fi dom.
@@JosiahMcCarthy thanks for your comment, it’s helpful knowing you recognise and are Fi Dom. I am unclear and hope pursuing Objective Personality coins will clarify. I never recognised myself as an INFP ‘creative’ tho I’ve always got that result. External creative environments elude me. I’m slightly repelled by the self centredness traits. My intensely I friends say I demonstrate more E behaviour than them, tho they are all I**J. Maintaining friendships - mainly 1:1 is exhausting due to distance. I see my few friends regularly, not frequently. I hugely appreciate when less effort/planning are needed to achieve connection. Carno commented above about the influence of toxic TE/FE social environment, this certainly influenced my early life at home and in work. I internalised negative attitudes to and misjudgements of INFP traits.
Even though I am an Exx (Se/Ti), I couldn't agree more about paperwork fears and computer updates and shit like that. There's always a problem that isn't supposed to be there that I have to deal with. Just yesterday, I got a new chair for my office and I decided to bring it to work and put it together on 4th of July because no one was there and of course one of the bolts didn't go in properly because it was manufactured poorly and was stripped... so I had to go to Home Depot and find a thinner bolt that would fit but not too thin so I had to buy five extra than what I needed to make sure one of them would be right... and get an extra screwdriver that I didn't need, so that I could go back to the office and put it on right without having to go home and come back first, so that I can have a nice morning (this morning) going back to work while everyone else is off...
I can relate. You're all set to get a project done and the something derails you, and then you're pissed. Then I cool off, and go fix the damn problem. ESTP
This is the most Se-dom rant I’ve ever seen lmao 😹
This is the best evaluation of IxxP I think anyone's ever done.
No
As an IP, I find dealing with people to be fine, as long as it’s one on one. But get a dozen people in a group and it’s a nightmare. Someone’s going to start some stupid drama over something unimportant. Gathering of small, close knit groups are cool, you get to actually connect. Gatherings larger than about 6 mean you cannot have any depth of interaction with everyone, so you either try to have to have brief, shallow interactions with all of them or exclude people to have decent interactions with only a part of the group. Or if you see them often, you can take turns who to prioritise.
It's not that we walk around thinking we're awesome all day long. It's just that we have no idea how to accurately gauge our standing in society. And we see the effect that has on us and we try to check and correct it. We cant handle praise or blame responsibly. We either think everything is fine or we think we're the biggest idiot and piece of shit ever. We know that meeting the endless expectations and demands of the tribe is unrealistic for anyone and that much of the time those demands are unnecessary, unfair, illogical, immoral, harmful, selfish, stupid, bullshit ect. There is a cap to how much energy we can pump out and how much "yielding to the tribe" is practical, reasonable and fair to ourselves and even the people around us. The greater good isnt always what the masses demand and isnt always what's popular or what affects things on a larger scale. To us everything is nuanced and we just want to make sure we aren't part of the problem. It's not that we cant fit playing by the tribe's rules into our worldview it's just that we see where the tribe is going wrong and try to make sure we never become that. If that makes sense. Granted there are times where the selfish IxxP thing does apply but how the self vs tribe dynamic isnt always that black and white. I'm also not saying that your assessment isnt largely true because it is. It's just that there's more to the story. And yes I know, that's all according to my biases as a SC/PB Infp. We have to pay attention to pay to ourselves because we see all the people who aren't and all the damage its causing to the world around us. And again I feel the need to reiterate I'm not trying to make excuses I'm just trying to Te explain and give insight. For whatever it's worth to anyone.
Yesssss.. that deep insight you gave there is actually the gift on IxxP to the world, how we can see the bigger picture and yield the personal responsibility that lies on each one of us in making things better.. we might seem self-indulgent but it's because we understand that somehow the only way we can influence things/others is thru becoming a role model ourselves instead of just preaching (of course this is the case for the more mature and healthy IxxPs).
My biggest fears always about what people are going to think about me. Only because just like you guys had said, WE IP'S CAN'T RELATE TO OTHER TRIBE MEMBERS.😩😩😩
I don't want the dentist to judge me.
I'm an ISFP, and I don't like doing what the tribe likes or needs. I used to be so scared of the tribe that I constantly caved in and betrayed, hated and blamed myself. I tried to harden up by actually "doing what is necessary," and it's only in recent years (I'm 30) that I've learnt to actually double down on my Fi and tell myself to ignore the tribe. I say I'm awesome when I do something for my soul, because "the tribe" doesn't deserve my efforts. When I do invest in someone else it's because it's important to me personally, never because I hope they like it.
When I write, I do it for personal reasons and never aim to publish, and I don't go to the dentist because going, meeting them, answering their stupid, irrelevant questions and getting no useful information back
Definitely explains my INFP social anxiety, thanks 😅
IxxP: Oh, I rant, and I think it's funny. My ISTJ mom takes her own rants very seriously, and she thinks she's awesome.
Not sure if i'm IxxP, but one of my biggest fears was (and probably still is) going outside to places like grocery stores and such, but the one where you have to talk to cashiers and others, ask them to sell you food and goods and stuff. And the fear comes from being looked at as an alien for asking stupid questions, being laughed and smiled at as if i'm dumb and don't know what i want and how to ask for stuff... This is THE MOST stupid thing anyone can do in my eyes. This led me to stay away from such things and lean towards online shopping like 95% Fuck them, they can laugh at their own stupidity in the mirror :D
The other fear is being controlled and watched over, robbed of free time and forced into a routine with consistent checkups on my progress... this is just UGH! For Christ sake, leave me the fuck alone and let me concentrate and get the flow going naturally! If you want this task to be done as efficient and fast as YOU see it - you better off doing it yourself then. You won't have to check up on anything, you'll have your full control over it =)
I started this shutdown trying to uncover my type. I’ve never agreed with ENTJ most likely or INTJ. Watching you guys have helped. ENTP, so much makes sense. I’ve actually written papers arguing both for and against the same thing. I claim headache to keep from filling out my own paperwork then I get offended when someone ask me questions. I real world go hungry because I don’t want to cook or go to grocery store. I won’t even get into not making decisions with regards to self. Anyway thank you.
That going hungry cuz can’t bother cooking is a real thing 🤣👏🏻 also the paperwork, gotta procrastinate till almost deadline lol, this is why you gotta find a body to do those things for you, that was my best solution haha
Lol cheers to being partnered with an ENTJ who will fill out the paperwork for you (thank god). Pretty sure I’m ixxp, and what’s funny is even though from the outside we might look like a bunch of selfish delusional asshats, we think that’s what everyone else is doing too. We view everyone else’s individuality from the same perspective that we view our own: right for autonomy, right to be constantly introspective, etc.
It took me 22 years to finally get around to getting my wisdom teeth out because it was going to involve other people. - intp.
Demon Se here, running away from dentists because I’m afraid of the parking and how to get there and will it go smoothly.
So true. As INTJ with mild agoraphobia (demon Se) I had my dentist come as a recommendation from ESFP, then I google-map stalked the place, where it is and how to get there and best low-people time to go... ugh. I got there tho, and I'm glad. Best dentist ever! Dentist for life now haha. Whenever ESFP says "I have to go to my dentist..." I correct her "OUR dentist you mean...." hahaha.
Oh my god this is so me as an INFJ. I think of all the scenarios that could happen in my head like for example if we’re talking about a treatment plan or something. Im like okay ‘a’ or ‘b’ could be suggested, but also they could suggest some other third thing that is out of my predicting realm right now. So I even prepare myself for the ‘x’ scenario that I cannot predict. Predicting what I cannot predict hahaha
INTP here…
It’s 4th of July…
Me and my gf came home midday…
I begin to play games on my laptop…
She gets mad because I’m not engaging on a holiday…
IXXP screw up.
You guys typed as ENFP when I thought I was an INFP in the past. Over the past few months, even going back to before I got typed, I have been kind of realizing that I have been more quick to see where I was pissing off the tribe or maybe "Not all that." The area that has really been an eye opener was getting typed sleep last, which was a shock because I spend most of my time by myself and thinking on my own. I started realizing that a lot of this time alone was not super efficient, could be overly negative, and I got called out by Kendrick Uy (Male ENFP) for not telling people how I feel. I wasn't giving those emotional owie reports that sleep saviors are supposed to be able to do. It's been a wake up call.
(Self typed INFP, got shaved as an #mfNeFiCPBS #ENFP)
Hilarious! So he actually does give a f*ck! 😆 Dentist story was funny too. I hate paperwork, but for me it's more about that pain.🤪
Hey Stephanie, just wanted to let you know it’s fuck. No need to censor yourself.
@@luukbrekelmans6020 😂 I did that cuz of his book title.
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When you have enough energy surrounding a topic to go out and write a whole book about it . . .
INTP, greatest fear, being responsible.
Being in put charge when you are not ready, having people exclusively rely on you, and the effort necessary to make that happen... fuck that.
Being responsible for the tribe, solely responsible, is more than making people feel happy with like the vibe, and whatever you do will anger the tribe, fuck the tribe.
Thanks Dave and Shan, needed this the same day you posted. Thanks for uploading this and hope to see you guys again soon. Be well.
I thought I was the shit in middle school and now I can't stop thinking that I suck
Anyone else pissed at how nice his teeth are for NOT GOING TO THE DENTIST IN 15 YEARS!??
IxxJ ranting at its finest
I don't go to the dentist for that exact same reason: The pain, the sound, and my knees possibly buckling from whatever, even when it's just the electric toothbrush whitening my teeth. That level of sensory overload while I'm stuck on the chair is so unnerving, I'd save up to pay extra so I can do whatever while I'm conked out with anaesthetics. I loved the paperwork, though.
I'm terrified of the pain and paperwork when going to the dentist.
Why the paperwork?
Love both of your rants! Keep 'em Coming!
The end of this really hits home, haven't been to the doctor in like 5 years (I've had chronic back pain & chronic migraines for over 15 years).... still not going XD good luck other IxxJs
Pain? Piece of cake. Paperwork? Terrifying. ~INFP
Pretty sure I'm a decider but tryin to confirm what type (might just be INFP like I've always thought, but I'm keeping an open mind post discovering OP in case I'm a peacocking ExxJ or whatever). The IxxPs going around thinking they're awesome thing threw me off initially, like Jerry Seinfeld. When I think about it I feel that's true of me, but I don't relate upon first hearing it because even though I like me, the tribe has historically not liked me so I've grown to have bad self-esteem around other people. I do run around with a bit of that EJ "I'm not good enough" when objective standards come into play, but you won't see my freakouts. You won't even see me cry or sweat if I can help it. But subtract the tribe from the situation and I do like myself quite a bit, so I want nothing to do with the tribe.
I think it’s more about wanting to be awesome more then automatically thinking that you are awesome. If IxxP’s have a need to be highly valued then they also would recognize when they’re not being valued. I would say it’s a need to be valued and perceived as valuable and not simply assuming you are.
This is what seems correct to me. I think I’m an Intp but don’t really know.
I relate to your comment. Self typed as an INFP based on cognitive functions vs a test, but still trying to learn and understand OP. I did a transpersonal counseling program that was highly experiential, Gestalt, reenactments and group therapy oriented. While parts were extremely good for me, in many ways it was retraumatizing for this very reason. I was judged pretty harshly by my fellow students in the end, because I wasn't having emotional outbursts like everyone else in the group setting. But I never ever will. Growing up it was not really allowed for various reasons. I wish I could, because keeping everything internal affects my health, but if I couldn't do it after three years with the same group of classmates in such an intimate and emotionally open environment, it ain't gonna happen.
@@jack76787 This would make a lot of sense. While I don't always think the best of myself and never act that way either, there is a need to be valuable. Like in Dave's example with the employee of the month, even coming in average which is more common for me than being last is upsetting, and feeling undervalued was part of why I wanted to move on from my last two jobs. Though I lack some drive, I'm competitive, I have high standards for myself and I do desire greatness in what I do, but I don't want to be admired on a widescale.
@@AndreaCrisp I was judged harshly for being a very sensitive child. I was told not to cry and I was treated like my feelings were nonexistent and no big deal. I still cry because I find I need to regularly, but it's something I prefer to do privately away from people's judgment.
Pain is no issue only forms and busy work.
My greatest fear is public speaking. ISFP
Hahahaha facts... literally you live on compliments and encouragement
Wow, what? Paper work is the best part! The rest of the experience is a nightmare.
Human teeth suck, why can't we be like crocodiles and just have endless sets of teeth?
My greatest dentist fear is the dentist not doing his job well or that's he's doing it wrong, like filling the wrong tooth, or missing cavities, so then when I come back the next time it's worse and I have to undergo something heavier. ughhhh, hate that. When I went to the hospital to get a suspicious birthmark removed I had the same fear. I could even hear them whispering behind me 'which birthmark was it, was it this one? yeah /distracted pause\ I think so'. WELL YOU BETTER GO FUCKING CHECK, DO I HAVE TO SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU, DO I NEED TO TEACH YOU HOW TO FUCKING DO YOUR JOB? CHECK THE DAMN COMPUTER. WHY DO YOU EVEN NEED TO CHECK THIS, YOU SHOULD'VE CHECKED THIS BEFORE I CAME IN. WHAT ELSE HAVEN'T YOU CHECKED???. I was NOT having a great time on that operating table, I can tell you that.
I have had similar thoughts, like what if I die because you can’t see what what is wrong with me, which I am telling them what is wrong with me but they can’t seem to see it which is frustrating as all hell and time is ticking here lol
@@absinthesesotericadventure7631 interesting! I'm bot sure its exactly the same as what I am talking about, but its close. Your answer also sounds a bit nosophobic. The irrational fear of having an illness or reading too much in minor symptoms, for example thinking a small cough has to be cancer. Do you have that tendency? Or am I misreading you?
That fear seems to be demon Ne. You might be an Si dom.
3:04 that is the greatest book ever. Now I want to read it again!
"People just don't get how awsome I am"
You forgot that INFPs can do a week's worth of work -very well by the way - in less than a day. So i deserve time off for being brilliant😁.
Totally!!
As an IXXP this video helped me get into architecture school😅 I needed to describe pictures of designs and had guessed that one of the interviewer was an IXXJ so I pointed out the risk of burglaries because of bad design which finally made him interested in what I was saying😅🤦♀️ the other interviewer was Fe/Ni, he became really serious when I said that we should stay logical in the designs (demon Ti?)
You said they're Fe & Ni so demon Ti would be wrong. Ni-Fe is INFJ and they have third slot Ti. Fe-Ni is ENFJ and they have fourth slot Ti. What you said is wrong because demon is called the eighth function apparently
Im IP and yes I want breaks when I do small amou to of work, but I always expect an EJ to be top employee because I know how much I slack off.
As an IP, I sometimes wish I were an IJ :-)
But we're really judgey lol.... though not as pushy and judgey as EJ... but still.... very judgey 😄
Omg that dentist story, I also didn't go for 6 years because of the paperwork. Also I've been wanting to sell my car for a year now but haven't taken any action because of the paperwork and having to clean it🙄
I'm scared of the tribe and the pain...does that make me demon Fe?
This is funny. I am not at all afraid of the dentist thing, like those things are just.. normal to me. Fill the paperwork, check it, send it. If something bad happens, then we fix it, the doctors don't want to lose money either. I would be TERRIFIED if the doctor starts insulting me for my mouth telling me that I'm an idiot or something like that. That's hell for me
So true, I'm delusional
so I've been meaning to ask this for a very long time. I've been in the typology community for at least 3 years now and I'm pretty sure that I'm an infj. all that demon se struggle is 100% relatable and real for me. but I also have severe social anxiety (diagnosed). so, not that great at engaging with the tribe or not being afraid of what they're thinking about me meaning demon de struggles are also familiar. I don't remember seeing any video of dave and shan differentiating social anxiety of ixxp's and social anxiety as pychopathology. I suppose having social anxiety can't automatically make you a decider, right? so how to tell them apart? because especially when my anxiety gets worse it's really hard to not have an identity crisis.
I’m an infj as well(I think, I’m still learning about myself). In my opinion it’s definitely possible for an infj to have social anxiety as well, even if it’s not psychopathilogical. I think it’s more about the way it manifests that differentiates it from other personality types.
@@cleb5117 ofc everyone regardless of their type can have it and yeah, technically, its manifestation should differ between the types but it's not that easy to pinpoint irl if the condition has become excessively unhealthy or if you don't have any other observations and opinions than your own (maybe needing outside opinions is a sign of fe rather than fi btw. still I can't know for sure as long as it includes pychopathology aspect). and dave and shan are a bit more straightforward and holistic so that's not fully helpful for me. for you, what are some telltale signs of the way an infj manifests compared to, for instance, an infp does?
@@tavrine9729 As you said, it is definitely very difficult to pinpoint it all as there are all kinds of factors that effect it’s manifestation. It seems that Fe users are more in need of outside opinions related to themselves and their feelings, as it is an external judging function. It’s very common for Fe users(especially infjs) to have hard time understanding themselves and their feelings, so it really does help to look outwards.
This same concept may apply to anxieties and insecurities as well. Infjs, or any Fe user, will generally care a lot about how people feel about them. What can cause a lot of confusion is that people use “think” and “feel” interchangeably. When I say that infjs will care about how people feel about them, it’s related specifically to emotions rather than logic. For an example, let’s say somebody said you were annoying them. This would probably cause distress, and you may wonder what you’re doing wrong. Now, let’s say someone says that your opinion on a certain subject(unrelated to emotions) is illogical. You may be a little annoyed, but you won’t feel as insecure about it. This is because your “thinking” function is introverted, and your sense of logic is subjective.
An infp on the other hand will have the reverse problem. Their feeling function is introverted, and thinking function extroverted. They will generally not be insecure about how others feel, because they judge feelings and morals subjectively. They will however, be more insecure about what people think of them in regards to logic. They need external feedback in relation to logic(similar to how an infj would need external feedback in relation to feelings). This insecurity may be very strong in an infp, as Te is their inferior function. For an infj, Se is their inferior so that can cause some serious anxiety in an infj. That is not to say that they can only be insecure about things related to those specific functions. As you said, anxiety disorders can cause it all to manifest differently. It can cause you to doubt the things you’re normally most confident in.
Aside from that, I really hope that you’re doing well right now. Anxiety is a beast, and it can really make everything seem impossible. Putting your feelings out there will definitely help, and it will be way easier to process them that way.
Typically when you see paragraphs of history and exposition focused on the self, you're reading Si speak and most often from INxPs. True INFJs (who are tribe-focused and future-focused) never tend to write paragraphs about their history, questioning who they are.
@@tavrine9729 Looking back at it, I went a little off the rails with that comment. To sum it up, both infjs and ixxps can have anxieties about the tribe. Ixxps are more likely to feel anxious about Te related stuff, while infjs may feel anxious about Se related stuff. That can cause a lot of confusion as Se and Te can appear similar to each other.
Me entp I love the dentist. Feels like I'm getting accurate information about the quality of my teeth and an cheat code to compensate for my poor flossing 😄
dave is really getting used to that new shirt huh? i can't with the same IxxJ 2 buttons buttoned and one not every time 😂
We are still processing life 😂
Yeah, this one was really good
Nice pic
@@chossenone9508 yeah thanks
@@dianadias3 how old are u Diana
@@chossenone9508 27 why?
My current freakout is that my phone keeps sending me pop up bubble notifications that it may not function properly with only 3 gig of memory remaining, when *"I KNOW IT DOESN'T NEED MORE THAN 3 FUCKING GIG OF REMAINING MEMORY TO FUNCTION PROPERLY."*
🤣🤣🤣
But I AM awesome!!
Also…I’m the WORST. 😂
omg this had on the ground laughing XD
I want to mess with my fellow humanoids but I can't type ppl fast enough 😭
Many of the IP's I know are extremely hard on themselves, never think they're doing enough, and are terrified to ask for help because if they do that means they have to be involved in the tribe in some way. We do not want to show weakness or ask for help because we must be self-reliant. If we can do everything on our own that means we aren't being a burden to the tribe, we can do our own thing and do it perfectly, and the tribe can focus on other things. We want to provide value to the tribe, we just want to do it on our own terms without needing anything from the tribe and without the tribe infringing on our autonomy. I will say that when I was younger I was a know-it-all, thought society (the tribe) was full of idiots, and thought very highly of myself because I knew how things "should" be working, but then reality sets in and tends to humble you. Maybe a lot of IP's you talk to just haven't been humbled enough to realize that they aren't outsiders looking in, but they are a part of the same circus and are just as incompetent as anyone else, they just pretend to be separate from it because then they can live in their delulu fantasy world where they have it all figured out without actually having to work together in a complex and multifaceted society.
Weird how this is supposed to be a video about IxxP’s, but it is a few minutes of the most superficial take ever on IxxPs and then just mostly an IxxJ video.
Have you ever watched their channel before? It's not a superficial take, it's one of many of their videos about a certain thing in certain OPS types.
@@affectojfgidi1246 Yes. They, themselves, are not superficial I am critiquing this one video, not their entire oeuvre. However, TBH, they are by and large pretty facile when talking about IxxP's, and as an IxxP I am within my rights to call it out.
Lol lol lol! I love this!!!
What is the type of a person who goes full angry name calling when someone is disagreeing with and having this whole agenda about respect and being valued but centered around oneself? Is it IxxP type? It is the person who bluntly will disagree with you also so low Fe/Te? This person has some narcissistic charcteristics also but It really seems to be his basic personality. The hatered towards paperwork and going through taxes etc is out of the question too... this person just refuss to do it and someone is filling it instead.
So wait, they think we at first know we didnt do enough and that we got away with it? I dont know i didnt do what sally did cuz i wasnt being competitive like that and spying on her. Then when we get older and realize the expectations and our reputation.. you think we are nonchalant about that, internally!? Maybe this person, this friend you speak of is a sociopath, thereby they don't care for that reason.
I haven't been to the dentist in over 10 years. My biggest fear about the dentist is making the appointment - what type does that make me?
@Intuitive Personality Phone phobia. I have a VERY hard time making any phone calls. Social anxiety is a bitch
Is it harder to tell if a function is a saviour or a demon when it’s masculine?
Can anyone give an example of saviour vs. demon masculine Fi?
They don't have much here, you'd have to subscribe to their classes for in depth info like that. Instead check out other OP channels like ENFP Male, he has masculine demon Fi and talks about it throughout his interviews.
Right on! OMFG!
As a stereotypical isfp artist I constantly think I've made the most amazing thing in the world and then if it's not approved of and appreciated the way I want it to be I get so close to giving up and never trying again it scares me.
I don't see how thats specific for IxxP, you are saying as if the fear of criticism and being shamed is specific only to those types, when in reality It's all about confidence and building self-esteem, which has nothing to do with your type.
An IxxJ can also fear of being criticised or being persecuted by others, it really depends on how the types work-around those fears, what motivates them, remember that IxxJ's are also introverts and may less dislike dealing with people. You are also forgetting that an INTJ can be Enneagram 5, which has a fear of appearing incompetent or incapable, same enneagram that an INTP (An IxxP type) can have. This video is bogus because they assign various behaviour to a certain type, which can apply to any type.
It just does not make any logical sense, and people are eating that up without any critical thinking.
I'm an INTP and I think I'm awesome, but I know other people do not necessarily think so, lol!
As an ISTP that has worked for other people but now I am the lead of my own ideas and projects but I still work with people, I agree to the "look at me I am so awesome, look at this amazing thing I did, I get the rest of the day off". However I take it a step further, I know that others will be judging my work and progress, so there is a building "I need to do more and better", and so I do, over a course of time, get a lot done through obsession. I do the most work and the best work, but I would never get an "employee of the month sticker" (employment is a gross thing that I do not participate in btw, just playing the hypothetical game here), because I do tend to have that competitive, look at me, I did most of this and better than the rest attitude, which no one would want to vote for.
But I don't care, I'm awesome and people just gotta deal with that.
God he got so triggered about paperwork. I'm so.....
HAHAHHHAHA THE IJ COMMENT IS SOOO ON POINT
So true! Just witnessed this with my INTP brother yesterday.
Dave is turning into a demon. I'm exhausted just hearing him talk about the paperwork and the safari-updates.
I used to own an iphone 3gs back in the days. It was _bloody amazing._ A lightning fast touch-screen from the future -then what happened? Apple proceeded with an OS update that I had not asked for that turned it into a potato. So what did I do? Since it was ruined anyway I did what anyone would do and furiously struck it down with my axe. Then I threw away the pieces in a public trash-can. And I recycle bottle-caps.
Haven't bought another smartphone since.
I’m slightly autistic, and I’m not so sure I understand this language in this video and comment section, not sure if I’m supposed to be confused, or if I actually get it, or not 🤔🧐
It takes quite awhile to understand it.
@@attheranch873 Then what’s the point?
6:14 saaame. I hate papers!!!!!
That is so true
I have demon Fe that's why i think too high of myself but when I do something wrong I bash on myself only for tribe to think I'm cool but I'm still not sure how tribe feels about me.
But people who know me better think I'm cool at least they say it but most people think I'm arrogant but I'm not it's just them who's dumb... Oh, and people think I'm intimidating at for sight but I'm not an ixxj wtf??? I'm afraid of you more then you are afraid of me...
1:24 Me to a tee, but when I AM in the middle of a freak out, I either go to the loo to buy time (especially since I'm not INFP, so I won't cry because I know it's unhelpful to solving the problem at hand that I'm solely responsible to fix), or I just do it as methodically as I can. If I keep chipping away, not even the fastest workers can say that I'm lazy. I can just tap into my ISFP superego (I'm INTP) and say "Screw you, I don't have time to rest. I know you are better at the job than I do, but if you are taking over my work, leave me alone."
i know how to fart
Wait.
"Hard to *prove..."*
Did you mean:
"Hard to make a case for..." ?
Or...
"In all the data we collect, we haven't found (x)..." ?
Or was your wording intentional?
And please don't relegate this inquiry to the confines of any particular over the internet presumed type.
Thanks!
Their model is that they can 'prove' your type. That's why it's 'Objective Personality'.
One of the easiest things they look for now (their model develops over time) is what someone freaks out about. And IPs just tend not to freak out in public, so they can't spot the markers as easily.
"Their model is that they can 'prove' your type.
That's why it's 'Objective Personality.'"
Are you being facetious &/or sarcastic?
(Seriously asking)
4:38 four letter names? That's not a thing. There's no rude name you'd call someone that's 4 letters. (oh wait I can think of a few, but not ones you'd normally use for men)
You guys keep proving how much sensors need intuitives because you cant formulate possibilities. Trust me, it validates me that you just trust me okay
Too funny
I relate Soo much XD
Oh, hi.
@@justinwhite2725 I'm sorry I'm having trouble remember where I know you X__x
@@justinwhite2725 hiiiii
@@Kiseochan love who discord. We don't know each other well.
@@justinwhite2725 nice! Hehe yah I'm Kiseochan everywhere!
Y no more funny videos at end of video?????
Ne/Te #mustconsume