I like how you explained that the volume of a 3" shell is significantly more than double that of a 1.5" shell. A lot of people have a hard time "wrapping their heads" around volume VS diameter. It was nicely laid out here!
So a 5-inch can would almost come close to a 3-inch pro by volume. Excellent job presenting. I just wish you would of also shown a 5-inch can in the mix.
Yes and no. Volume yes, but consumer "5 inch can" still can't exceed the 60 gram per shell limit, so 5" is just a marketing gimmick, especially since no one refers to the length of a shell, only the diameter.
@@PyroInnovations Thanks, good to know. After watching vids I see 5inch are the same as 4inch if both are max loaded. Do you know how many grams are in a 3inch or 2.5inch pro?
Something we forgot to mention is that there are consumer shells marketed as 3" and 5" shells, essentially as a marketing gimmick. The size limit for consumer shells by law is 1.75" diameter (tinyurl.com/yb5cpb22 ) and are limited in the amount of explosive material they can contain (60mg per shell), so they don't have even close to the same bang as a professional 3" shell that has no such limit. The consumer shells marketed as 5" are actually 5" long, not in diameter, and again, are limited in the amount of net explosive weight they can contain. No matter what, consumer shells are limited in the amount of explosive material they can contain, so no matter what the marketing sells them as, they are not as powerful as a professional grade firework of the same size.
I was wondering about that. I've recently gotten hooked on CodyB Pyrotechnics and a dude in Cleveland named pimpdaddee. (It's strangely soothing and cathartic to watch!) I was wondering exactly what the difference is between the 5" shells that look like Red Bull cans and professional shells.
Exactly, the 5" "red bull can" is not how we would define a 5" shell. We do use cylindrical shells as well, so for example, a 5" professional cylindrical shell would be 5" in diameter and anywhere from 6" tall to well over a foot tall depending on the effect and if it is a multi-break or not. Doing the same math we did in the video, except this time for a cylindrical shell, a 5" consumer firework would have around 48 cubic inches of volume compared to a professional 5" shell would have closer to 500 cubic inches of volume (with no explosive weight limit). Thanks for your comment!
I was about to ask that lol, I purchased 24 5’’ long shells after New Years. When i saw the video I thought I purchased illegal fireworks but its good to know I didn’t lol. Will long shells vs normal shells be any difference in terms of display?
@@ngythe1king for the first time in a few years I was able to grab some 3&4 inch professional display balls and 4" cylinder Salutes from a buddy last week and it's insane the difference when compared to a comsumer 4 5 or 6 inch 60 gram canisters. I feel like the consumer shell sizing is a gimmick to sell new product and it works bc you know people always have to have what they think is the biggest and baddest out there A big thing to point out is that Pro shells are fused a different way by using what is called quick match and it can be very dangerous. I'm sure you can find videos on RUclips of what happens when people accidentally light that instead of the slow fuse whether it's by accident or bc they just don't know any better and assume they have plenty of time to get away. Imo, that alone is reason to keep them off the consumer market
@@PyroInnovations You know how you were mentioning the height a shell reaches here? 3" would be 300' Now I have a question here. Is the burst diameter half the height the shell reaches? 3" 300' would have a burst radius of 150'. Is this really correct?
yup and as long as you don't store or transport you don't even need a license. I made em years ago, but now that Im in the city and the good stuff is now legal to buy in PA, I don't have to spend the time making them.
Wow, as someone who really likes fireworks, now I'm happy that in my country there are 3" (almost, 68.4mm) in diameter consumer shells. Sometimes it's hard to find a place for these to be as far from buildings as possible, but effects on them are totally worth it
Yeah to be honest my interest in consumer fireworks was waning before they legalized class c mortars. They remind me of how m80s used to be years ago, you know what I mean?
Consumer canister shells have good lift and breaks. The 9 shot 3" finale cake/boards also have excellent performance. Also seen some single shot tubes that are nice. Probably some of these should be better regulated for consumer use. I am a huge fireworks fan, so much so I went through the red tape to become 1.3g/type 54 licensed. But seeing people that don't have the proper respect for the power of some consumer stuff scares me a little as well as gives the firework industry a bad reputation.
I think there’s more of a medium ground here. Sure you have your 1.4G consumer grade fireworks and your 1.3G professional fireworks but I think that when most people tell you that they’ve seen the big professional grade fireworks, they aren’t actually referring to either type. The fireworks that they are seeing are illegally imported overpacked fireworks. Meaning they’re neither 1.4 or 1.3g. They’re fireworks that aren’t restricted to the legal amounts of pyrotechnic materials, so you end up with things like 1.75” canister shells with 100g of composition instead of the legal 60g amount. So they really are seeing shells that are bigger than normal but they’re still not nearly the size of an actual regulated 1.3G firework.
Sounds like a great time as long as it's labeled. It's hilarious we can't get an m80 "for fear of blowing my hands off apparently" Yet you can go buy legal 1.4 cans that will Also destroy my hands if I'm stupid enough to hold one 😂 Not to mention I don't think an m80 comes anywhere close to tannerite 😂
I wondered about that. Used to think they were pro shells until watching this video. But yeah, up close they appear to be the big stuff. However, the short launch time is a clue. My thinking was also motivated by the fact that since there were no pro shows (covid), the pro stuff was leaking into the general population as the manufacturers still need to make a living. Now I know better.
@@revengeof1307 lol no they are not they are heavily regulated over there to . It doesn’t mean there isnt good stuff but trust me you cant just walk to a firework store and grab that type of stuff
Bryan, there is certainly an exception to every rule, we have seen those videos as well. It’s unfortunate that people think it is OK to fire shells that large in a neighborhood, just look at the example in our video with the 3” low break. We have done way to many interviews with the media when they ask for our expert opinion on why some random person was killed or had their arm blown off to know that professional fireworks in the hands of untrained amateurs, especially in a neighborhood, is likely to lead to an accident or burning down a neighbors house. Good thing it is much more rare for someone to illegally obtain professional fireworks, but those who do put everyone around them in danger. Thanks for your comment!
Those knuckleheads are putting communities in danger and ruining the consumer market for the rest of us who love to safely put on large fireworks displays.
For the first time, I actually managed to get my hands on legitimate professional grade fireworks for my 4th display this year. Someone here in Chicago sold me a case off 4" and 6" salutes. The latter was the size of a fucking honeydew melon. It was so loud that the noise of the lift charge launching it out of the tube broke a car window on the street.
@@bans9183 it’s like saying a guy shot someone so we have to ban all guns in the country. Throw that mentality tf out it’s what’s wrong with this world. F this guy for not being responsible but at the end of the day why ruin it for a whole country when a few people are irresponsible? The answer OBVIOUSLY doesn’t lie in banning..
Stuff like this has always confused me. From my personal experience and all of the videos I've watched it seems like for whatever reason big cities are the main places that people sell professional stuff. Whereas(even though its illegal no matter what) the more country type states where there's actually room to safely shoot this shit is so much harder to find anyone selling them.
I did once see a professional display somewhere in my former Florida neighbourhood, I was quite a way away and they were clearly the big ones that make that solid thud as they explode. Whether they were an illegal display, or just set up professionally and launched from the edge of the neighbourhood, I don't know though. How much do the 3"-5" shells cost (not including professional set-up costs)? Just wondering as was thinking about a professional display in Asia where fees are obviously lower...
I've been within range of a 3 and 4 inch low break before. The 3 inch was kinda cool looking I'm not gonna lie. A lot of people got urned that night in the crowd me being one of them. I had a star hit me by my shoulder left a little mark too. I'm used to getting burned so it didn't effect me much but some people didn't end up so good. Someone had one land on their head a couple people got holes burned through there clothes and burn marks. We were all at the edge of the caution tape a couple hundred feet away normally that's the best place to be. So after that first low break a couple people moved back but most of us stayed up there. Well not to long after a 4 inch low break happened. At this point most of the people knew this wasn't rite. It was like a waterfall of burning stars and debris falling down ontop of everyone. It was cool looking about 20 feet above your head but when you didn't look away your eyes and face got burned. A couple people didn't understand this from the first time so this time around they learned that lesson. At this point the guys setting it couldn't understand what just happened or why so the one guy walked over to a rack and you could tell he was irritated. He reached down in with flare and let like 3 or 4 of them go at same time you could hear the echo for miles! Lol a few years before that at the same display it started to rain that night out of no where? Normally if it was just a little rain whatever they speed it up a little and that's that show still goes on. Well not this year.. The rain just started pouring now mind you they didn't prepare for rain cause it wasn't supposed to. So after it just started pouring down rain hundreds of people started grabbing chairs and blankets and running in every direction in this huge neighborhood where cars where scattered everywhere. There was a truck load of racks and cakes are down in the middle of this baseball field where everything was set off now mind you these guys do everything with flares by hand. As soon as everyone started to leave they started setting them off 3 times faster sounded like the finale already after only 15 minutes well all but 2 minutes later of total chaos all you hear was a huge explosion that lit up the whole neighborhood it had to be atleast a 5 inch Shell as soon as that went off they lit everything they possibly could. For the next 10 minutes it sounded like a war zone... I've never to this day seen anything like that ever. People were running and screaming rain pouring you couldn't hear anything non stop salute shells going off ontop of everything else car accidents happened non stop flashing lights in the sky all kinds of colors everywhere. It was like if you take a professional finale and multiply it by 3. Then you had sirens on top of everything fire department was already there along with a couple ambulances and some police but they weren't prepared for this. If I remember correctly 1 or 2 people died that night.. the crazy part was it wasn't even from the fireworks! It was all because people freaked out over rain and ran like hell. Someone slipped and fell and because you could only see through the rain from the flashing lights of fireworks people didn't know there was someone on the ground. A few other people got kicked and knocked over I saw a couple people fighting that night too because someone kicked someone in the process of freaking out and screaming. I mean it was just total nonsense and chaos. You don't even see like this in movies it was that bad and all over rain. The fireworks were incredible though! On the plus side.
...huh, guess im still in the kiddy pool for the time being. To be fair, i just started studying fireworks this july (red apple's 6" top three runners) and lit some. All safety procedures was followed so the family hade a great time. Im still looking for the best of the best, inches wise.
I have kids and my neighbors light off fireworks every holiday and they set off at least one or two whenever they feel like it just to be annoying. We live in a pretty tight neighborhood with a decent amount of kids. I think they are definieron using some non consumer fireworks. I wouldn’t even care if they lit them within a 20 minute time frame. But they light them sparsely for 2 hours or so.
There are quite a few consumer canister shells that rival pro 3" shells in performance / noise. I know of some display companies that will opt to use consumer instead of 3" because of cost vs. performance.
Thanks for your comment Kevin. We will have to agree to disagree on that one. Consumer shells, no matter the size or shape, are limited to no more than 60 grams net explosive weight. We love 1.4g product and use it in our shows all the time (for smaller shows, shows that are closer to the audience, or to supplement the larger effects), and I have never come across a consumer shell that comes anywhere close to a 3” professional shell in performance / noise in my 20 year career as a professional pyrotechnician. Sometimes it may be a bit deceiving since consumer shells explode closer to the ground and more proximate to the audience. Thanks again for your comment!
@@PyroInnovations Kevin K - It's also worth noting that Pros buy in bulk and don't pay for flashy packaging and needless extra tubes and cardboard. It's pure product. Because of that, a 3 inch pro shell isn't a lot more expensive than the high end consumer product. 72 3 inch pro shells can be had for $275-300 per case for example. Whereas 24 Amateur Excalibur shells run around $60-85-ish here. So for a much larger product and MUCH more symmetrical round breaks that go a good 100 feet higher you wouldn't really go for the 1.4 shell stuff most of the time. The break shape of most consumer canister shells is pretty bad actually. There are exceptions of course, like A) you are shooting close to a crowd and B.) Want lower effects to fill in the front and C.) don't want to risk anything. 1.4 cakes are more common down in front of crowds than the 1.4 shells. My two cents of course.
Excellent video full of information for those from minimal experience to experienced, very interesting volume equation very usefull. Though I'd have to say 1.3G is widely available on the streets, and some stores will straight up just sell it to you, as is not talking just overloads. Even seen 10's for the first time for grabs this year. BE SAFE Pyros.
Exactly. History has shown us multiple times that All any ban does is create a black market 😂 Prohibition of anything In high demand simply doesn't work
@@WhuDhat I wouldn't say it has much to do with any special State or anything like that. Is simple non compliance as well as supply and demand. Same with anything they try to ban that was/is in high demand. Our law's are so stupid, that the cartels have actually smuggled avocados to the states 😂😂😂 It's hilarious but it's just another example of simple supply and demand. Even cops still want m80s once a year and other stuff like that so it's no surprise that good stuff is floating around. History has shown time and time again that if there is a high demand for a product there will always be a few people willing to supply the current demand. I wouldn't say it's exclusive to any specific state, it's just simple "supply and demand" Take drugs for example, they are generally illegal in almost every setting and place yet we still have a problem with addiction in general. (even though most of those addicts start off using legal from a doctor, then the doctor cuts them off in a day instead of slowly cutting back until the person can quit without any major side effects from it) So then they get it in the streets... once again supply and demand beats most regulations. The only thing the ban did is make it so the states and gov are losing money because they aren't getting their tax money off every item.
@@WhuDhat i think you meant to write "That's terrific, what great and glorious freedom-loving state do you live in?" maybe your phone's autocorrect is messed up
When you say "tube racks" you have to be more specific. Are you referring to consumer fireworks mortars? You can put consumer size fireworks mortars in a rack as well. Up close, especially in a neighborhood, they look like they go high and break big and loud. Compared to a professional shell, not so much. Thanks for your comment!
Great question! Canister shells have different volume than a sphere, but consumer versions are still restricted to the 60 gram net explosive weight per shell limit. You can do the same volume analysis for the cylinder to cylinder comparison as well to see the different in shell diameter. The only problem is that you can have different lengths of a cylinder, so diameter is not the only variable to consider, which makes the comparison a bit more difficult to do apples to apples. Thanks for the question!
@nocturnalmayhem, the amount of lift charge used is based on the shells weight, but you can expect a typical 16" shell to have around 4 lbs of black powder lift charge to get it to its ~1,600 ft break altitude.
I can pretty easily obtain up to 6 inch shells and 4 inch strobe rockets and salute cans the size of a 12 oz can around this time of year. They are becoming increasingly easier to come by every year. But I’d rather just let my neighbors buy them because they’re like 100 bucks for just 1. Just type in certain keywords like salute, coconut, poster, or sticker
$100 per shot??? 😂😂😂 Sounds like your neighbors got ripped off, that or they’re trying to rip you off. 6” Display Shells & salutes are on average $25 -$30 per shot. 4” display shells/rockets and salutes $15 per shot. Keep in mind those are hypothetically “illegally” obtained prices. With a license the cost is substantially lower.
i used to get the the 3 inch shells like the actual large 3 inch and wed launch em out of a steel tube…they were awesome it was easier to get them in the 90s and a gross (144) of 1/4 sticks of dynamite aka blockbusters
I would have to disagree with that low blow being a 3" dispaly shell out of a 4" tube. It looks more like a 5" display shell out of at least a 6" inch tube or some other generic rig setup, which is not out of the question
Looks can be deceiving, especially when it is scaled against something it’s normally not, like a neighborhood. But, having said that, it is just a hard breaking 3” peony, they can pack a punch. Spoke to one of the investigators, who is a super knowledgeable pyro, and saw pictures, so can confirm it’s just a 3”.
buying a wasp macing is cheaper than obtaining licensure in most cases. Formulas for fireworks are free, materials are cheap for pumping stars, and the best willow charcoal can be made at home legally . Professional displays are great and all but some of the best fire working outside the Ned Gorskis and basement captains of chemistry are leaps and bounds better. Safer? that's a question of individual liberty. Send it .
Yes and no. Professionals use both spherical (which give a very symmetrical break, as well as cylindrical shells which can look much different. They are two different styles, which can achieve many different types of effects, so using both types in a show gives the show designer more flexibility to bring his vision to life.
Maybe 3yrs ago, but nowadays got some people showing up with a trailer full of 1.3g products. And why wouldn't they? Make 2K off of a solid days work. Or drive around and make 10k a day all cash.
You bring up a great point in that there are consumer shells marketed as 3" and 5" shells, essentially as a marketing gimmick. The 3" consumer are are actually 3" in diameter but are limited in the amount of explosive material they can contain unlike professional shells, so they don't have even close to the same bang as a professional 3" shell. The consumer shells marketed as 5" are actually 5" long, not in diameter, and again, are limited in the amount of net explosive weight they can contain. Thanks for your comment!
It is very easy to obtain your explosives license to buy 1.3 fireworks if your not a criminal, $100 and takes about 3 months. ALSO next to no red tape if you are buying and shooting as a hobby and not commercially. These fireworks distributors will help you get this license, they want to make money.
Yes and no. What you are referring to is just the federal requirement. You also have to deal with state and local jurisdictions (if you are trying to be 100% legal), which vary quite dramatically. There are some states that have almost no requirements, yielding to the federal standard, and some like CA which make it impossible to do legally, in that it doesn't matter if you have the federal license, you still can't use 1.3g. There are of course many states and local jurisdictions that fall in between. Keep in mind that the federal license requires you to store 1.3g in an approved magazine, which the local jurisdiction also has to OK in regards to location, some of which will not grant permission for regardless of your licensing. Can be hard to navigate the patchwork of laws depending on where you live, but we would agree that the federal license is the easy first step. Thanks for your comment!
Jose, thanks for your comment. I want to make sure I understand the question. Are you asking if a cake says 1.3G if it is 1.3G? There are certainly exceptions to every rule and people still obtain 1.3G product illegally on occasion, but it is a rare occasion due to what we mentioned in the video, not to mention an accident waiting to happen. Stay safe, thanks again for your comment.
@@PyroInnovations as i understand it, legal cakes split their 500g limit between all the shots, with each shell being 60g or less. A single cake can't possibly have 60g a shot with that many shots. Either the cake is illegal, or it's actually multiple cakes that are lit simultaneously.
@@zaphod77 In consumer fireworks, i.e. 1.4g classification, the 'gram' rating refers to the total amount of explosive composition that can be ignited by a single fuse. So a 500g cake, regardless of how many tubes are in it, have no more than 500g TOTAL. That's why your fireworks with 192 shots are going to have much smaller tubes than say a 9-shot ("Nine On A Board"..."NOAB"). 500g split among 192 tubes or 500g split across 9 tubes...it's still a total of 500g or less. Your NOAB breaks are just going to be larger than rapid fire smaller tubes in a 192 shot cake. That's also why reloadable canisters are 60g. In 1.4g class, 60g is the most explosive composition allowed in a single shot. Doing the math on that... a 500g NOAB is at most 55.5g (500/9). So technically your 60g reloadable shells will give bigger bang for your buck. Lastly, keep in mind that consumer fireworks is all about MARKETING. Just because a cake says it's 200/350/500g doesn't mean that it entirely is. A 500g cake might only be 390g of explosive. A 60g canister may only be 49g of explosive.
It's hard to tell sometimes, within reason of course. I had only ever really seen regular ball shells for the longest time, Then I seen canister shells last year and was quite shocked as to how much of a bigger boom they had then any that I had seen before. Canister shells, make ball shells look like a pop it lol Both are legal, off the shelf, no modification, consumer mortors, but the difference is huge and very noticeable.
Lol true especially in ny I wish they would just legalize aerial fireworks they didn’t stop last year they didn’t stop me this year and they won’t stop when I shoot fireworks for rest of my life lol upstate or aka western ny need to legalize fireworks lol
Someone in my neighborhood had some professional shit. Nothing but 6 inch 8 inch shells and sh*t on pallets. I went up to the dude seen the tubes etc everything was different.
people can easily build their own shells though, hell i build my own m80's, screw the government telling me what i can and can't do, laws were ment to be broken!
It absolutely was, we know it for a fact. 3 inch shells can break a couple hundred feet in diameter, and because this is a low break, the scaling when compared to the houses look substantial, but we can promise you that this is absolutely a 3 inch shell. Peonies are some of the harder breaking shells, so that certainly played a factor into the size as well.
Does it anger anyone else when you see people on youtube illegally obtaining the professional-grade stuff completely ignorant as to what they are doing, when in reality you yourself have enough knowledge and competence to most likely properly use these, you just don't have the money or time to obtain licenses and proper certification.
Your just hating. I pop 1.3 4 inch shells all the time in the street no problem. Your probably just jealous cuz more ppl sre buying they're own nowadays lol
As long as they are fired from clean and properly fitting tubes, they will not cause problems. But if you place a shell in the wrong tube (or even a dirty tube), even a small difference will cause a significant reduction in lift, and risks a low break. Low breaks are BAD.
Consumer or not they(you know who) are firing this stuff horizontally at police officers! Many officers and first responders injured in past year at civil disturbances. One in Texas landed and exploded inside a patrol car with the officer INSIDE! They should outlaw all consumer fireworks for good.
Some were regular but alot of it looked home made, You could tell when the camera zoomed in, and when the camera man walks up to the leftover peices. Sometimes they Looked like a paper towel roll with some masking tape to close it off. They aren't necessarily buying this. Alot of it looks like something made in a basement. Besides, a ban would literally push the black market. I've never seen a pro shell, at a store or in a tent, never been offered one. But if consumer gets banned you can guarantee that the professional stuff, along with sketchy homemade stuff from people who dont know what they are doing would make it on the street alot more.
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I like how you explained that the volume of a 3" shell is significantly more than double that of a 1.5" shell. A lot of people have a hard time "wrapping their heads" around volume VS diameter. It was nicely laid out here!
Thanks for the kind words!
@@PyroInnovations My kid is a teacher, She would "dig" how succinctly how explained this. 👍😊👍
So a 5-inch can would almost come close to a 3-inch pro by volume. Excellent job presenting. I just wish you would of also shown a 5-inch can in the mix.
Yes and no. Volume yes, but consumer "5 inch can" still can't exceed the 60 gram per shell limit, so 5" is just a marketing gimmick, especially since no one refers to the length of a shell, only the diameter.
@@PyroInnovations Thanks, good to know. After watching vids I see 5inch are the same as 4inch if both are max loaded. Do you know how many grams are in a 3inch or 2.5inch pro?
Something we forgot to mention is that there are consumer shells marketed as 3" and 5" shells, essentially as a marketing gimmick. The size limit for consumer shells by law is 1.75" diameter (tinyurl.com/yb5cpb22 ) and are limited in the amount of explosive material they can contain (60mg per shell), so they don't have even close to the same bang as a professional 3" shell that has no such limit. The consumer shells marketed as 5" are actually 5" long, not in diameter, and again, are limited in the amount of net explosive weight they can contain. No matter what, consumer shells are limited in the amount of explosive material they can contain, so no matter what the marketing sells them as, they are not as powerful as a professional grade firework of the same size.
I was wondering about that. I've recently gotten hooked on CodyB Pyrotechnics and a dude in Cleveland named pimpdaddee. (It's strangely soothing and cathartic to watch!) I was wondering exactly what the difference is between the 5" shells that look like Red Bull cans and professional shells.
Exactly, the 5" "red bull can" is not how we would define a 5" shell. We do use cylindrical shells as well, so for example, a 5" professional cylindrical shell would be 5" in diameter and anywhere from 6" tall to well over a foot tall depending on the effect and if it is a multi-break or not. Doing the same math we did in the video, except this time for a cylindrical shell, a 5" consumer firework would have around 48 cubic inches of volume compared to a professional 5" shell would have closer to 500 cubic inches of volume (with no explosive weight limit). Thanks for your comment!
I was about to ask that lol, I purchased 24 5’’ long shells after New Years. When i saw the video I thought I purchased illegal fireworks but its good to know I didn’t lol. Will long shells vs normal shells be any difference in terms of display?
@@ngythe1king for the first time in a few years I was able to grab some 3&4 inch professional display balls and 4" cylinder Salutes from a buddy last week and it's insane the difference when compared to a comsumer 4 5 or 6 inch 60 gram canisters. I feel like the consumer shell sizing is a gimmick to sell new product and it works bc you know people always have to have what they think is the biggest and baddest out there
A big thing to point out is that Pro shells are fused a different way by using what is called quick match and it can be very dangerous. I'm sure you can find videos on RUclips of what happens when people accidentally light that instead of the slow fuse whether it's by accident or bc they just don't know any better and assume they have plenty of time to get away. Imo, that alone is reason to keep them off the consumer market
@@PyroInnovations You know how you were mentioning the height a shell reaches here?
3" would be 300'
Now I have a question here.
Is the burst diameter half the height the shell reaches?
3" 300' would have a burst radius of 150'.
Is this really correct?
Great video! I love fireworks. Always have lol. Very well explained video!👍🏾
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
You're discounting hobbyists who can easily make display size shells.
yup and as long as you don't store or transport you don't even need a license. I made em years ago, but now that Im in the city and the good stuff is now legal to buy in PA, I don't have to spend the time making them.
@@GMCLabs what are some spots in PA that has the good stuff that's legal to buy
yeaaah
Just learn to make them. Great hobby.
Wow, as someone who really likes fireworks, now I'm happy that in my country there are 3" (almost, 68.4mm) in diameter consumer shells. Sometimes it's hard to find a place for these to be as far from buildings as possible, but effects on them are totally worth it
Yeah to be honest my interest in consumer fireworks was waning before they legalized class c mortars. They remind me of how m80s used to be years ago, you know what I mean?
Very informative. Great upload. Thanks for your time spent explaining details like this! Instant subscription!
Thanks!
Consumer canister shells have good lift and breaks. The 9 shot 3" finale cake/boards also have excellent performance. Also seen some single shot tubes that are nice. Probably some of these should be better regulated for consumer use. I am a huge fireworks fan, so much so I went through the red tape to become 1.3g/type 54 licensed. But seeing people that don't have the proper respect for the power of some consumer stuff scares me a little as well as gives the firework industry a bad reputation.
Lol no. We are already regulated to hell.
Literally everything down to f-ing rain water is regulated 😂
Just Wait until you discover tannerite 😂
A very great scientific explanation of the differences between 1.4 and 1.3 fireworks
Thanks for the comment and kind words Fabian!
I think there’s more of a medium ground here. Sure you have your 1.4G consumer grade fireworks and your 1.3G professional fireworks but I think that when most people tell you that they’ve seen the big professional grade fireworks, they aren’t actually referring to either type. The fireworks that they are seeing are illegally imported overpacked fireworks. Meaning they’re neither 1.4 or 1.3g. They’re fireworks that aren’t restricted to the legal amounts of pyrotechnic materials, so you end up with things like 1.75” canister shells with 100g of composition instead of the legal 60g amount. So they really are seeing shells that are bigger than normal but they’re still not nearly the size of an actual regulated 1.3G firework.
But then there is actually 1.3 stuff packed in boxes that look like cakes
Absolutely
Sounds like a great time as long as it's labeled.
It's hilarious we can't get an m80
"for fear of blowing my hands off apparently"
Yet you can go buy legal 1.4 cans that will Also destroy my hands if I'm stupid enough to hold one 😂
Not to mention I don't think an m80 comes anywhere close to tannerite 😂
I've realized that I've been using professional fireworks since 3rd grade! And it is legal in my country and a lot of kids love bursting them!!
The video of the pro artillery shell going off too low was nuts. Pretty sure most people in the area watching went home and changed their pants.
I wondered about that. Used to think they were pro shells until watching this video. But yeah, up close they appear to be the big stuff. However, the short launch time is a clue. My thinking was also motivated by the fact that since there were no pro shows (covid), the pro stuff was leaking into the general population as the manufacturers still need to make a living. Now I know better.
In Florida people are definitely getting their hands on some professional fireworks lol
Cali more tbh they close to TJ 6 inch is consumer in mexico
Yeah when ur seeing strobe rockets no doubt lmao
If anybody can in KY let me know
@@revengeof1307 lol no they are not they are heavily regulated over there to . It doesn’t mean there isnt good stuff but trust me you cant just walk to a firework store and grab that type of stuff
No they are not. He literally just debunked that
That low break was crazy 🤣
Trynna get my hands on some 3” shells this year
I’ve seen a bunch of US youtubers launching up to 6” class b shells right in the middle of the street not 100ft from houses
Bryan, there is certainly an exception to every rule, we have seen those videos as well. It’s unfortunate that people think it is OK to fire shells that large in a neighborhood, just look at the example in our video with the 3” low break. We have done way to many interviews with the media when they ask for our expert opinion on why some random person was killed or had their arm blown off to know that professional fireworks in the hands of untrained amateurs, especially in a neighborhood, is likely to lead to an accident or burning down a neighbors house. Good thing it is much more rare for someone to illegally obtain professional fireworks, but those who do put everyone around them in danger. Thanks for your comment!
Those knuckleheads are putting communities in danger and ruining the consumer market for the rest of us who love to safely put on large fireworks displays.
For the first time, I actually managed to get my hands on legitimate professional grade fireworks for my 4th display this year. Someone here in Chicago sold me a case off 4" and 6" salutes. The latter was the size of a fucking honeydew melon. It was so loud that the noise of the lift charge launching it out of the tube broke a car window on the street.
Mm sounds like your irresponsibility is the reason these are illegal.
LEGEND 🔥🔥
lol gotta love ChicagoFireworks.
@@bans9183 it’s like saying a guy shot someone so we have to ban all guns in the country. Throw that mentality tf out it’s what’s wrong with this world. F this guy for not being responsible but at the end of the day why ruin it for a whole country when a few people are irresponsible? The answer OBVIOUSLY doesn’t lie in banning..
Stuff like this has always confused me. From my personal experience and all of the videos I've watched it seems like for whatever reason big cities are the main places that people sell professional stuff. Whereas(even though its illegal no matter what) the more country type states where there's actually room to safely shoot this shit is so much harder to find anyone selling them.
This is an excellent video
Thanks!
If i light a firework inside, like in the bathroom, should i take it outside or just shut the door?
I did once see a professional display somewhere in my former Florida neighbourhood, I was quite a way away and they were clearly the big ones that make that solid thud as they explode. Whether they were an illegal display, or just set up professionally and launched from the edge of the neighbourhood, I don't know though.
How much do the 3"-5" shells cost (not including professional set-up costs)? Just wondering as was thinking about a professional display in Asia where fees are obviously lower...
I've been within range of a 3 and 4 inch low break before. The 3 inch was kinda cool looking I'm not gonna lie. A lot of people got urned that night in the crowd me being one of them. I had a star hit me by my shoulder left a little mark too. I'm used to getting burned so it didn't effect me much but some people didn't end up so good. Someone had one land on their head a couple people got holes burned through there clothes and burn marks. We were all at the edge of the caution tape a couple hundred feet away normally that's the best place to be. So after that first low break a couple people moved back but most of us stayed up there. Well not to long after a 4 inch low break happened. At this point most of the people knew this wasn't rite. It was like a waterfall of burning stars and debris falling down ontop of everyone. It was cool looking about 20 feet above your head but when you didn't look away your eyes and face got burned. A couple people didn't understand this from the first time so this time around they learned that lesson. At this point the guys setting it couldn't understand what just happened or why so the one guy walked over to a rack and you could tell he was irritated. He reached down in with flare and let like 3 or 4 of them go at same time you could hear the echo for miles! Lol a few years before that at the same display it started to rain that night out of no where? Normally if it was just a little rain whatever they speed it up a little and that's that show still goes on. Well not this year.. The rain just started pouring now mind you they didn't prepare for rain cause it wasn't supposed to. So after it just started pouring down rain hundreds of people started grabbing chairs and blankets and running in every direction in this huge neighborhood where cars where scattered everywhere. There was a truck load of racks and cakes are down in the middle of this baseball field where everything was set off now mind you these guys do everything with flares by hand. As soon as everyone started to leave they started setting them off 3 times faster sounded like the finale already after only 15 minutes well all but 2 minutes later of total chaos all you hear was a huge explosion that lit up the whole neighborhood it had to be atleast a 5 inch Shell as soon as that went off they lit everything they possibly could. For the next 10 minutes it sounded like a war zone... I've never to this day seen anything like that ever. People were running and screaming rain pouring you couldn't hear anything non stop salute shells going off ontop of everything else car accidents happened non stop flashing lights in the sky all kinds of colors everywhere. It was like if you take a professional finale and multiply it by 3. Then you had sirens on top of everything fire department was already there along with a couple ambulances and some police but they weren't prepared for this. If I remember correctly 1 or 2 people died that night.. the crazy part was it wasn't even from the fireworks! It was all because people freaked out over rain and ran like hell. Someone slipped and fell and because you could only see through the rain from the flashing lights of fireworks people didn't know there was someone on the ground. A few other people got kicked and knocked over I saw a couple people fighting that night too because someone kicked someone in the process of freaking out and screaming. I mean it was just total nonsense and chaos. You don't even see like this in movies it was that bad and all over rain. The fireworks were incredible though! On the plus side.
wow that's total insanity all around, pack mentality, or maybe flock mentality lol
...huh, guess im still in the kiddy pool for the time being. To be fair, i just started studying fireworks this july (red apple's 6" top three runners) and lit some. All safety procedures was followed so the family hade a great time. Im still looking for the best of the best, inches wise.
I got some five inch cannister shells this year and those are plenty big for neighborhoods.
4:25 holy fck, this is awesome 😁😁
I see pro shells going off in the city every year for the past at least 5 yrs.
I have kids and my neighbors light off fireworks every holiday and they set off at least one or two whenever they feel like it just to be annoying. We live in a pretty tight neighborhood with a decent amount of kids. I think they are definieron using some non consumer fireworks. I wouldn’t even care if they lit them within a 20 minute time frame. But they light them sparsely for 2 hours or so.
PGI shot 16in shells in west fargo last year.
Always a good time at the PGI convention!
God bless u all
Same to you!
Amen. God bless you, too!
People who know fireworks know when something “illegal” goes off in their neighborhood. Can’t mistake that sound for a canister shell.
Seen 3" shells but also up to 10" in the streets. Now days some people don't care and are wild as fuck 🤦♂️
that last part is an understatement. lol
😩guess you haven’t been in Oakland ca lately
I dont know In cali it seems like a lot of average people are shooting off things that are 1.3 without a permit.
Hi I would like to know how I can get my ATF license and much it cost thanks.
There are quite a few consumer canister shells that rival pro 3" shells in performance / noise. I know of some display companies that will opt to use consumer instead of 3" because of cost vs. performance.
Thanks for your comment Kevin. We will have to agree to disagree on that one. Consumer shells, no matter the size or shape, are limited to no more than 60 grams net explosive weight. We love 1.4g product and use it in our shows all the time (for smaller shows, shows that are closer to the audience, or to supplement the larger effects), and I have never come across a consumer shell that comes anywhere close to a 3” professional shell in performance / noise in my 20 year career as a professional pyrotechnician. Sometimes it may be a bit deceiving since consumer shells explode closer to the ground and more proximate to the audience. Thanks again for your comment!
@@PyroInnovations Kevin K - It's also worth noting that Pros buy in bulk and don't pay for flashy packaging and needless extra tubes and cardboard. It's pure product. Because of that, a 3 inch pro shell isn't a lot more expensive than the high end consumer product. 72 3 inch pro shells can be had for $275-300 per case for example. Whereas 24 Amateur Excalibur shells run around $60-85-ish here. So for a much larger product and MUCH more symmetrical round breaks that go a good 100 feet higher you wouldn't really go for the 1.4 shell stuff most of the time. The break shape of most consumer canister shells is pretty bad actually. There are exceptions of course, like A) you are shooting close to a crowd and B.) Want lower effects to fill in the front and C.) don't want to risk anything. 1.4 cakes are more common down in front of crowds than the 1.4 shells. My two cents of course.
😂😂😂 you can't be serious bro.
ehh maybe a good noab beats some 3 inch. a canister? no lol. maybe an OL. still gonna have a sloppy break.
Overloaded product doesn’t obey the 60gram law. Mine had 100 gram minimum. I cut a few apart. I do love 2.5inch 1.3g, cheap and fun
Excellent video full of information for those from minimal experience to experienced, very interesting volume equation very usefull. Though I'd have to say 1.3G is widely available on the streets, and some stores will straight up just sell it to you, as is not talking just overloads. Even seen 10's for the first time for grabs this year. BE SAFE Pyros.
that's crazy, what state are you
in?
Exactly.
History has shown us multiple times that All any ban does is create a black market 😂
Prohibition of anything In high demand simply doesn't work
@@WhuDhat I wouldn't say it has much to do with any special State or anything like that.
Is simple non compliance as well as supply and demand.
Same with anything they try to ban that was/is in high demand.
Our law's are so stupid, that the cartels have actually smuggled avocados to the states 😂😂😂
It's hilarious but it's just another example of simple supply and demand.
Even cops still want m80s once a year and other stuff like that so it's no surprise that good stuff is floating around.
History has shown time and time again that if there is a high demand for a product there will always be a few people willing to supply the current demand.
I wouldn't say it's exclusive to any specific state, it's just simple "supply and demand"
Take drugs for example, they are generally illegal in almost every setting and place yet we still have a problem with addiction in general. (even though most of those addicts start off using legal from a doctor, then the doctor cuts them off in a day instead of slowly cutting back until the person can quit without any major side effects from it)
So then they get it in the streets... once again supply and demand beats most regulations.
The only thing the ban did is make it so the states and gov are losing money because they aren't getting their tax money off every item.
@@WhuDhat i think you meant to write "That's terrific, what great and glorious freedom-loving state do you live in?" maybe your phone's autocorrect is messed up
whats the biggest you have fired?, ive seen a 24inch fired, the lift gave a decent thump
1x 54 inch, 2x 50 inch and 10x 48 inch Shells (Shell of Shells) for our wedding. It was fcking awesome and expensiv (all Shells were made in Japan 😉)
Japan does them right, search up yonsakudama
Täällä puolassa saa ostettua esimerkiksi.cobra 8 nec 100g flash.ja sitten on isompia.dum bum 650 ja paljon isompiakin.
What about tube racks they go up very high and have huge breaks
When you say "tube racks" you have to be more specific. Are you referring to consumer fireworks mortars? You can put consumer size fireworks mortars in a rack as well. Up close, especially in a neighborhood, they look like they go high and break big and loud. Compared to a professional shell, not so much. Thanks for your comment!
what about canister shells
Great question! Canister shells have different volume than a sphere, but consumer versions are still restricted to the 60 gram net explosive weight per shell limit. You can do the same volume analysis for the cylinder to cylinder comparison as well to see the different in shell diameter. The only problem is that you can have different lengths of a cylinder, so diameter is not the only variable to consider, which makes the comparison a bit more difficult to do apples to apples. Thanks for the question!
@@PyroInnovations and thats why i make my own lol
how much lift charge is used on the 12in and 16in? id guess itd be over a pound to get the shell high enough lol
@nocturnalmayhem, the amount of lift charge used is based on the shells weight, but you can expect a typical 16" shell to have around 4 lbs of black powder lift charge to get it to its ~1,600 ft break altitude.
@@PyroInnovations typical 16in weighing around 45 to 60lbs? and 1600 feet? geez i thought they were 500-600 foot lol awesome thx for the reply
I can pretty easily obtain up to 6 inch shells and 4 inch strobe rockets and salute cans the size of a 12 oz can around this time of year. They are becoming increasingly easier to come by every year. But I’d rather just let my neighbors buy them because they’re like 100 bucks for just 1. Just type in certain keywords like salute, coconut, poster, or sticker
🤫 shhh...
$100 per shot??? 😂😂😂
Sounds like your neighbors got ripped off, that or they’re trying to rip you off. 6”
Display Shells & salutes are on average $25 -$30 per shot.
4” display shells/rockets and salutes $15 per shot. Keep in mind those are hypothetically “illegally” obtained prices. With a license the cost is substantially lower.
Now the question is who will sell me pro grade fireworks.
i used to get the the 3 inch shells like the actual large 3 inch and wed launch em out of a steel tube…they were awesome it was easier to get them in the 90s and a gross (144) of 1/4 sticks of dynamite aka blockbusters
You’ve never had dynamite, flash powder and dynamite are two very different things
ok yeah i totaly understand why its so heavily regulated now.
Low breaks and strobe rockets going cato are two of my favorites.. 😆
i mean i bussed a 6inch salute in the backyard at 3am car alarm orgestra🤣🧨🧨🧨
Excellent. Thanks!
You bet! Thanks for your comment!
I would have to disagree with that low blow being a 3" dispaly shell out of a 4" tube. It looks more like a 5" display shell out of at least a 6" inch tube or some other generic rig setup, which is not out of the question
Looks can be deceiving, especially when it is scaled against something it’s normally not, like a neighborhood. But, having said that, it is just a hard breaking 3” peony, they can pack a punch. Spoke to one of the investigators, who is a super knowledgeable pyro, and saw pictures, so can confirm it’s just a 3”.
buying a wasp macing is cheaper than obtaining licensure in most cases. Formulas for fireworks are free, materials are cheap for pumping stars, and the best willow charcoal can be made at home legally . Professional displays are great and all but some of the best fire working outside the Ned Gorskis and basement captains of chemistry are leaps and bounds better. Safer? that's a question of individual liberty. Send it .
It’s not a tremendous amount of red tape. In fact it was very easy to get a atf 54. Aside from the cost of a storage magazine it was cheap too🤷♂️
Shape of the break is telltale as well. Your consumer cans will not break nearly as "spherically" as your 1.3g "turnips". 🤙🙏
Yes and no. Professionals use both spherical (which give a very symmetrical break, as well as cylindrical shells which can look much different. They are two different styles, which can achieve many different types of effects, so using both types in a show gives the show designer more flexibility to bring his vision to life.
Maybe 3yrs ago, but nowadays got some people showing up with a trailer full of 1.3g products. And why wouldn't they? Make 2K off of a solid days work. Or drive around and make 10k a day all cash.
So my 6 inch shells were pro grade ok😅
You bring up a great point in that there are consumer shells marketed as 3" and 5" shells, essentially as a marketing gimmick. The 3" consumer are are actually 3" in diameter but are limited in the amount of explosive material they can contain unlike professional shells, so they don't have even close to the same bang as a professional 3" shell. The consumer shells marketed as 5" are actually 5" long, not in diameter, and again, are limited in the amount of net explosive weight they can contain. Thanks for your comment!
@@PyroInnovations yeah, you have to measure the diameter, and not the cannister length. they are a bit sturdier and easier to load and fire straight.
It was diameter😂😂😂
Asian markets in the czech repulic dont check licenses
Interesting.
No one does a fireworks display like the military on 4th of july
‘Mercia 🤘🇺🇸
It is very easy to obtain your explosives license to buy 1.3 fireworks if your not a criminal, $100 and takes about 3 months. ALSO next to no red tape if you are buying and shooting as a hobby and not commercially. These fireworks distributors will help you get this license, they want to make money.
Yes and no. What you are referring to is just the federal requirement. You also have to deal with state and local jurisdictions (if you are trying to be 100% legal), which vary quite dramatically. There are some states that have almost no requirements, yielding to the federal standard, and some like CA which make it impossible to do legally, in that it doesn't matter if you have the federal license, you still can't use 1.3g. There are of course many states and local jurisdictions that fall in between. Keep in mind that the federal license requires you to store 1.3g in an approved magazine, which the local jurisdiction also has to OK in regards to location, some of which will not grant permission for regardless of your licensing. Can be hard to navigate the patchwork of laws depending on where you live, but we would agree that the federal license is the easy first step. Thanks for your comment!
apparently hes never seen the shell size they use in japan. 12'' shells are cute! in comparison
In the netherlands we have 200 gram gigant maroon in the streets on new years
And they are absolut great 😁😁.
Greets from Germany 😉
Even when the cakes say 1.3g ? With crazy amounts of shots ie; 221 shots
Jose, thanks for your comment. I want to make sure I understand the question. Are you asking if a cake says 1.3G if it is 1.3G? There are certainly exceptions to every rule and people still obtain 1.3G product illegally on occasion, but it is a rare occasion due to what we mentioned in the video, not to mention an accident waiting to happen. Stay safe, thanks again for your comment.
@@PyroInnovations as i understand it, legal cakes split their 500g limit between all the shots, with each shell being 60g or less. A single cake can't possibly have 60g a shot with that many shots. Either the cake is illegal, or it's actually multiple cakes that are lit simultaneously.
@@zaphod77 In consumer fireworks, i.e. 1.4g classification, the 'gram' rating refers to the total amount of explosive composition that can be ignited by a single fuse. So a 500g cake, regardless of how many tubes are in it, have no more than 500g TOTAL. That's why your fireworks with 192 shots are going to have much smaller tubes than say a 9-shot ("Nine On A Board"..."NOAB"). 500g split among 192 tubes or 500g split across 9 tubes...it's still a total of 500g or less. Your NOAB breaks are just going to be larger than rapid fire smaller tubes in a 192 shot cake.
That's also why reloadable canisters are 60g. In 1.4g class, 60g is the most explosive composition allowed in a single shot. Doing the math on that... a 500g NOAB is at most 55.5g (500/9). So technically your 60g reloadable shells will give bigger bang for your buck. Lastly, keep in mind that consumer fireworks is all about MARKETING. Just because a cake says it's 200/350/500g doesn't mean that it entirely is. A 500g cake might only be 390g of explosive. A 60g canister may only be 49g of explosive.
There's a lot of bootleggers out there selling 1.3 shells on the street. Also it's Display. Not professional.
if you were at my house it was LOL
Los Ángeles is a whole other animal…
I don't have a type 54 and I get 1.3 every year easily lol salute shells 4inch shells 5inch shells
I'm pretty sure that my neighbors aren't setting off consumer salutes.
It's hard to tell sometimes, within reason of course.
I had only ever really seen regular ball shells for the longest time,
Then I seen canister shells last year and was quite shocked as to how much of a bigger boom they had then any that I had seen before.
Canister shells, make ball shells look like a pop it lol
Both are legal, off the shelf, no modification, consumer mortors, but the difference is huge and very noticeable.
😂 we debate if there gunshots or fireworks
In my neighborhood it's hard to tell the difference
Storm Gutierrez if you’re used to hearing both you can tell the difference very easily.
If these fireworks get in the hands of the wrong people, a lot can be doomed unfortunately. I've always loved watching professional fireworks displays
You can make your own....didn't hear that from me, though. You know how the government is....control, control, control....lol
Lol true especially in ny I wish they would just legalize aerial fireworks they didn’t stop last year they didn’t stop me this year and they won’t stop when I shoot fireworks for rest of my life lol upstate or aka western ny need to legalize fireworks lol
@@PyroHockey729 I agree!(pyro from Buffalo)
Someone in my neighborhood had some professional shit. Nothing but 6 inch 8 inch shells and sh*t on pallets. I went up to the dude seen the tubes etc everything was different.
great story
people can easily build their own shells though, hell i build my own m80's, screw the government telling me what i can and can't do, laws were ment to be broken!
Got my hands on some 4” coconut shells this year and I’ll tell ya what, they didn’t disappoint. Supplier was selling 12” shells 😂
Yeah we can get 3" shells here man! I don't think consumers can get much bigger. Yet... haha
2 and a half inch regulation in stockton ca. total bs
Stockton crazy💀
Lol my friend come to europe and you will be surprised about the amount of prof fireworks that is been lit with newyears eve😆
Yup. People also do make their own.
Brother come to Los Angeles , you’d be just as surprised to see the amount of pro fireworks here 😂
4:23 No way that's a 3" shell
It absolutely was, we know it for a fact. 3 inch shells can break a couple hundred feet in diameter, and because this is a low break, the scaling when compared to the houses look substantial, but we can promise you that this is absolutely a 3 inch shell. Peonies are some of the harder breaking shells, so that certainly played a factor into the size as well.
Does it anger anyone else when you see people on youtube illegally obtaining the professional-grade stuff completely ignorant as to what they are doing, when in reality you yourself have enough knowledge and competence to most likely properly use these, you just don't have the money or time to obtain licenses and proper certification.
Sounds like somebody wasn't able to locate the good stuff this year... 😂
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People are going to do whatever they want to do. When you play with fire you should know the risk!!🤔 so play at your own risk. Is what I say.
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Mmmhmmm......
Ha ha ha ha ha joker laugh
Your just hating. I pop 1.3 4 inch shells all the time in the street no problem. Your probably just jealous cuz more ppl sre buying they're own nowadays lol
Lemme buy from u
As long as they are fired from clean and properly fitting tubes, they will not cause problems. But if you place a shell in the wrong tube (or even a dirty tube), even a small difference will cause a significant reduction in lift, and risks a low break. Low breaks are BAD.
Your comment makes you sound like a little kid bud.
@@zaphod77 low breaks are good tf.
@@minicinnamonpoptart2494 where you @?
Consumer or not they(you know who) are firing this stuff horizontally at police officers! Many officers and first responders injured in past year at civil disturbances. One in Texas landed and exploded inside a patrol car with the officer INSIDE! They should outlaw all consumer fireworks for good.
Making it illegal wont do anything. Youre a fool if you believe that.
Some were regular but alot of it looked home made,
You could tell when the camera zoomed in, and when the camera man walks up to the leftover peices.
Sometimes they Looked like a paper towel roll with some masking tape to close it off.
They aren't necessarily buying this.
Alot of it looks like something made in a basement.
Besides, a ban would literally push the black market.
I've never seen a pro shell, at a store or in a tent, never been offered one.
But if consumer gets banned you can guarantee that the professional stuff, along with sketchy homemade stuff from people who dont know what they are doing would make it on the street alot more.