A few years ago, i purchased the Pro-Ject 6 Perspex Magnetic Suspension Turntable. I removed the standard Tonearm that was fitted to the turntable, and replaced it with a Hadcock GH 242 Uni-Pivot Tonearm fitted with a Denon DL moving coil cartridge. This Combination gives me excellent results when listening to records.
In high end audio, value is difficult to justify. I own a preamp made in Serbia by Acoustic Invader as it is a beautiful sounding one and rivals makes by popular brands in the next tier. When one has not listen to a product and begin to make value comparisons and definitive claims that established and known brands are the way to go, small manufactories will not thrive and high end will always be dominated by the claims of their fans. Until you have a chance to listen and compare, your views remain yours and can be challenged and refuted. Thank you, Absolute Sound for giving this company a chance!
high end audio is no different than buying anything else, except that a lot of people don't know the first thing about the subjectivity of human hearing, or very basic electrical concepts, and get exploited for lack of knowledge.
The Nad C588 is a Pro-Ject Debut that has a different shape to the plinth. 99.9% of the listeners on Earth would be happy w/ the C588 and an Ortofon 2M Bronze...and maybe a Pro-Ject Tube Box S2 phono pre. These obscenely overpriced items, like the own showcased in this review, are made for the same type of ppl who believe diamond floor spikes are beneficial. They're made for the same type of ppl who buy a $1,000 XLR cable that's 3 feet long. In short, these items are for deluded, bored rich people. EDIT: To go one step further than I've already gone....you could switch out the NAD C588 for the Fluance RT85 and get the same result. Fluance RT85 Ortofon 2M Bronze Pro-Ject Tube Box S2 You'd have $1,500 usd in the whole thing, it would all be brand new in box from authorized dealers AND you'd have a brand new Ortofon 2M Blue backup cartridge. For another $115 you can throw in a Fluance iso platform, too...not that those do much of anything. I have one that's solid maple, 3 inches thick and it's sitting on $200 isolation feet. It does nothing in my system, other than make my turntable looks fancier (Music Hall Stealth/Ortofon Concorde Black/Black Ice Audio Fusion9 MkIII). My current phono stage, completed, is about $1,500 usd more than JUST THE TURNTABLE shown in this review (and the 'table in the review doesn't even come with a cartridge at $3k). My phono stage is "endgame" level stuff for all but the richest, most deluded among us. That is a fact. In fact, I feel that my current phono stage is overkill. I should have stuck w/ the RT85/2M Bronze/Tube Box S2 combination my-own-self. The money I put into my phono stage upgrade would have been better spent on vinyl records.
@3:53 Transcriptor turntables from 60s and 70s had similar platter design. No crime in using the best of available technology but it would be nice to see some genuine innovations every now and then. The level of turntable technology does not seem to be increasing, only the price.
known design principles are used because the job hasn't changed. variety is more often found in immature technology, and record players have been around since before they employed electric power.
Good afternoon from Toronto ☕️🍩 I just pulled a Linn LP12 out of storage (nearly a decade ) wiped it off ,plugged it in …and …it actually still works😵💫 The $3k US is a very good price point in starting off in mid /high end turntable 👍. This is a great looking piece 👏 Have a great weekend 😊
MIke, It would be interesting if you could obtain the model 3 and / or 5 for a review and convey how they differ in design, build quality, and sound quality.
Hi Michael. You state the tonearm is to the Rega standard but the specs on the Auris page state the PtoS distance to be 211 mm which is usually associated with Linn standard. The Rega standard has always been 222 mm. So, this tonearm would not be a good drop-in replacement for a standard Rega or similar turntable.
Heard there was over 400 different turntables at the last Audio Show. The market has exploded, sure isn’t like the early 80’s. It was dead easy to decide back then.
Finally an affordable turntable with high-quality audiophile sound. It's refreshing to see reviews like this on the absolute sound. It reminds me when Bill Firebaugh came out with the well tempered turntable about 50 years ago.
@@febobartoli I’d argue there are dozens of choices of tables at $3k with no cart, many surpassing this one. And no table has ‘audiophile sound’. Tables have no sound at all, cartridges do. The best you can hope for from a table is that it spins at accurate speed, offers reasonable vibration insulation, and that it carries the cart at the angles and forces specified by the cart maker. A table is a cart delivery device, its job is to do no harm to the sound of the cart, not impart any sound whatsoever of its own.
@@edd2771 Because you said a $3,000 turntable that doesn't come with a cartridge is affordable and makes audiophile sound. This was already explained by the other guy who replied to you.
@@edd2771 It was covered in the other reply, but okay. It's a $3,000 turntable that does not come with a cartridge. You said it was affordable and that it makes high-quality audiophile sound. Most living humans, regardless of their location, would call a $3,000 turntable with no cartridge the opposite of affordable. Turntables without cartridges don't make any sound, least of all from the "high-quality audiophile" variety. You guys are acting as if a bare-bones $3,000 turntable is entry level gear. If that isn't deluded, I don't know what is.
@@joshuaschneck Technics 1200g has a lot of issues. Weak tonearm in its price range, lots of rubber (the absolute worst type of isolation), and switching noise in the psu. Not many will tell you this
It appears fairly nicely made but apparently has primitive, basic speed control simply relying on a synchronous motor and the 50/60Hz mains frequency - I would want more for $3000!
My friend gave me his audiophile table last week as he was buying a new one. It had no instructions and the box was not sealed. It's a problem. Did I mention he left the box on my front doorstep? Not happy
No offense, but $3,000 usd isn't what most would consider "low budget". I only have about $4,500 in my entire phono stage, and it would be considered endgame by 99% of the US population. ...and you guys are calling a $3,000 usd tt "low budget". It is a gorgeous turntable, and I'd love to own one...but I can't afford it. I REALLY stretched it to get the $4,500 complete phono stage that I do own. lol
@@trackingangle929 I'm not offended. Was just stating an opinion, really. ...and I realize they cover components that cost far more than $3k. Still, $3k isn't low budget stuff. Not for the vast majority of the global population. That's all.
@@dizzle1119 the “vast majority of the global population” doesn’t listen to vinyl let alone read high end audio magazines/pay attention to them on RUclips
@dizzle1119 is $40k - $60,000 turntables behind him in another couple hundred thousand dollars in vinyl records. He has carts that are thousands of dollars. Speakers the Easley pass $100k. This is low-budget. Don't be so offended by that use of the word.
Michael, You kept repeating $3k and how good it is for that price. I wish you had put it into a broader “under $5k” category. Just like folks have already commented, we want to know if it’s competitive with the $4,300 technics. If we’re spending $3k we’re probably not capped at that price and are considering products under $5k. Please advise.
That arm alone looks like something that Boeing would fail at manufacturing, lol! A space-worthy device that might be able to do duty on the International Space Station.
In this hobby 3k for a new TT is low budget. Is it a budget tt? No. But for 3k you’d be way better off buying a used SOTA, VPI, Linn LP12, or higher end Rega etc.
$3k, no cart, no speed control, no dust cover. I dont see the value proposition here. A Rega P6 has all those things for $2 to $2.5k. The P8 compares to this table using a $1k cart in terms of price, but will blow this away. This company seems to be taking the Rega design parameters and slapping high mass parts on it in contravention of the Rega design. Not to mention that Rega is a real company with a real track record and real engineering and real trickle down technology and deluxe touches like owners manuals and on line support. I’m not sure how you can recommend this (not that you were- you seemed at pains not to draw a conclusion) given the obvious comparable company.
unfortunately, Fremer lost my confidence long ago . He does tell a good story , I credit him for that. of course , with any new company, the important issue of long term product support must be considered , unless you don't mind shopping for a generic turntable belt on amazon for your multi thousand dollar turntable in a couple of years. best to nail down any concerns about product support before the purchase of any item , not just a turntable . it's just that quality turntables last so long, and things happen.
Super cool table! I'd love to hear one of these someday.
A few years ago, i purchased the Pro-Ject 6 Perspex Magnetic Suspension Turntable. I removed the standard Tonearm that was fitted to the turntable, and replaced it with a Hadcock GH 242 Uni-Pivot Tonearm fitted with a Denon DL moving coil cartridge. This Combination gives me excellent results when listening to records.
In high end audio, value is difficult to justify. I own a preamp made in Serbia by Acoustic Invader as it is a beautiful sounding one and rivals makes by popular brands in the next tier. When one has not listen to a product and begin to make value comparisons and definitive claims that established and known brands are the way to go, small manufactories will not thrive and high end will always be dominated by the claims of their fans. Until you have a chance to listen and compare, your views remain yours and can be challenged and refuted. Thank you, Absolute Sound for giving this company a chance!
High end will always be dominated by the delusions of their fans.
fixt that for ya, sir.
high end audio is no different than buying anything else, except that a lot of people don't know the first thing about the subjectivity of human hearing, or very basic electrical concepts, and get exploited for lack of knowledge.
So many beautiful turntables on the market.
It comes with no cartridge and no dust cover? I wonder if the Nad c588 is comparable?
I can’t speak for the c588 but I love my c558 especially for the price I paid at the time I bought it.
The Nad C588 is a Pro-Ject Debut that has a different shape to the plinth. 99.9% of the listeners on Earth would be happy w/ the C588 and an Ortofon 2M Bronze...and maybe a Pro-Ject Tube Box S2 phono pre.
These obscenely overpriced items, like the own showcased in this review, are made for the same type of ppl who believe diamond floor spikes are beneficial. They're made for the same type of ppl who buy a $1,000 XLR cable that's 3 feet long. In short, these items are for deluded, bored rich people.
EDIT: To go one step further than I've already gone....you could switch out the NAD C588 for the Fluance RT85 and get the same result.
Fluance RT85
Ortofon 2M Bronze
Pro-Ject Tube Box S2
You'd have $1,500 usd in the whole thing, it would all be brand new in box from authorized dealers AND you'd have a brand new Ortofon 2M Blue backup cartridge. For another $115 you can throw in a Fluance iso platform, too...not that those do much of anything. I have one that's solid maple, 3 inches thick and it's sitting on $200 isolation feet. It does nothing in my system, other than make my turntable looks fancier (Music Hall Stealth/Ortofon Concorde Black/Black Ice Audio Fusion9 MkIII).
My current phono stage, completed, is about $1,500 usd more than JUST THE TURNTABLE shown in this review (and the 'table in the review doesn't even come with a cartridge at $3k). My phono stage is "endgame" level stuff for all but the richest, most deluded among us. That is a fact.
In fact, I feel that my current phono stage is overkill. I should have stuck w/ the RT85/2M Bronze/Tube Box S2 combination my-own-self. The money I put into my phono stage upgrade would have been better spent on vinyl records.
@3:53 Transcriptor turntables from 60s and 70s had similar platter design. No crime in using the best of available technology but it would be nice to see some genuine innovations every now and then. The level of turntable technology does not seem to be increasing, only the price.
known design principles are used because the job hasn't changed. variety is more often found in immature technology, and record players have been around since before they employed electric power.
Good afternoon from Toronto ☕️🍩
I just pulled a Linn LP12 out of storage (nearly a decade ) wiped it off ,plugged it in …and …it actually still works😵💫
The $3k US is a very good price point in starting off in mid /high end
turntable 👍.
This is a great looking piece 👏
Have a great weekend 😊
MIke, It would be interesting if you could obtain the model 3 and / or 5 for a review and convey how they differ in design, build quality, and sound quality.
Recording in stereo?
I tell You a beltbdrive is no competition!
Hi Michael. You state the tonearm is to the Rega standard but the specs on the Auris page state the PtoS distance to be 211 mm which is usually associated with Linn standard. The Rega standard has always been 222 mm. So, this tonearm would not be a good drop-in replacement for a standard Rega or similar turntable.
Heard there was over 400 different turntables at the last Audio Show. The market has exploded, sure isn’t like the early 80’s. It was dead easy to decide back then.
Finally an affordable turntable with high-quality audiophile sound. It's refreshing to see reviews like this on the absolute sound. It reminds me when Bill Firebaugh came out with the well tempered turntable about 50 years ago.
@@febobartoli I’d argue there are dozens of choices of tables at $3k with no cart, many surpassing this one. And no table has ‘audiophile sound’. Tables have no sound at all, cartridges do. The best you can hope for from a table is that it spins at accurate speed, offers reasonable vibration insulation, and that it carries the cart at the angles and forces specified by the cart maker. A table is a cart delivery device, its job is to do no harm to the sound of the cart, not impart any sound whatsoever of its own.
I loves me a delusional take on thangz, boiz...
@@dizzle1119 explain
@@edd2771 Because you said a $3,000 turntable that doesn't come with a cartridge is affordable and makes audiophile sound.
This was already explained by the other guy who replied to you.
@@edd2771 It was covered in the other reply, but okay.
It's a $3,000 turntable that does not come with a cartridge. You said it was affordable and that it makes high-quality audiophile sound.
Most living humans, regardless of their location, would call a $3,000 turntable with no cartridge the opposite of affordable.
Turntables without cartridges don't make any sound, least of all from the "high-quality audiophile" variety.
You guys are acting as if a bare-bones $3,000 turntable is entry level gear. If that isn't deluded, I don't know what is.
Hey Guys, it's Al Franken! whaddya know.
Reminiscent of the under-platter weights of the Gyrodec.
4:32 Rega standard? Why is there a label recess machined on the platter surface if a mat is used, or is the mat simply a dust cover?
How would you compare to heavyweights like technics 1200G?
@@joshuaschneck Technics 1200g has a lot of issues. Weak tonearm in its price range, lots of rubber (the absolute worst type of isolation), and switching noise in the psu. Not many will tell you this
It appears fairly nicely made but apparently has primitive, basic speed control simply relying on a synchronous motor and the 50/60Hz mains frequency - I would want more for $3000!
I agree. I also think the motor would be better located apart from the plinth .
Wen are yyou going to review the new Technics SL-1300 for $3100.00
My friend gave me his audiophile table last week as he was buying a new one. It had no instructions and the box was not sealed. It's a problem. Did I mention he left the box on my front doorstep? Not happy
donate it to charity , problem solved.
No offense, but $3,000 usd isn't what most would consider "low budget". I only have about $4,500 in my entire phono stage, and it would be considered endgame by 99% of the US population.
...and you guys are calling a $3,000 usd tt "low budget".
It is a gorgeous turntable, and I'd love to own one...but I can't afford it. I REALLY stretched it to get the $4,500 complete phono stage that I do own. lol
In the context of "The Absolute Sound"'s usual fare, it's "low budget". The reference isn't meant to offend anyone...
@@trackingangle929 I'm not offended. Was just stating an opinion, really.
...and I realize they cover components that cost far more than $3k. Still, $3k isn't low budget stuff. Not for the vast majority of the global population.
That's all.
@@dizzle1119 the “vast majority of the global population” doesn’t listen to vinyl let alone read high end audio magazines/pay attention to them on RUclips
It is not expensive for 2024
@dizzle1119 is $40k - $60,000 turntables behind him in another couple hundred thousand dollars in vinyl records. He has carts that are thousands of dollars. Speakers the Easley pass $100k.
This is low-budget. Don't be so offended by that use of the word.
I love the fact that you call this turntable LOW BUDGET?? 3000 dollars is low budget? Guess I’m out of my league here!!!
Michael, You kept repeating $3k and how good it is for that price. I wish you had put it into a broader “under $5k” category. Just like folks have already commented, we want to know if it’s competitive with the $4,300 technics.
If we’re spending $3k we’re probably not capped at that price and are considering products under $5k.
Please advise.
As a catholic, I prefer a high mass.....
That arm alone looks like something that Boeing would fail at manufacturing, lol!
A space-worthy device that might be able to do duty on the International Space Station.
~$4,500CAD$ - tonearm looks very cheap on Auris Bayadere 1 Turntable - certainly nowhere near the quality of one you were holding
A nice turntable on a turntable 😊
I’m dizzy!😁
Lol "low budget".
🤣🤣🤣
$3,000 is not low budget. Most people are living paycheck to paycheck and don’t have a spare $3,000 to drop on a turntable.
If you're living paycheck to paycheck, maybe take care of your life essentials first instead of thinking about hifi.
In this hobby 3k for a new TT is low budget. Is it a budget tt? No. But for 3k you’d be way better off buying a used SOTA, VPI, Linn LP12, or higher end Rega etc.
So why are you here?
Context matters. The Absolute Sound is a high-end audio mag. In that realm, this is, indeed, a low budget ‘table.
Then this channel is not for you. It's over my budget too but I still like to watch videos about hi end audio.
According to the web site. $3000.00 is the price without arm and cart. Whoops!
Is it counterweight the right way round?? it looks like it's the wrong way around, I suppose you could have it either way
I thought it better to have the mass at the back.
Keroc….aka Corian
I'm afraid I have to "LOL" at anyone who spends $5,000 or more on a turntable.
"You stole it from a jewelry store". Bwahh LOL
Looks like a turntable
$3k, no cart, no speed control, no dust cover. I dont see the value proposition here. A Rega P6 has all those things for $2 to $2.5k. The P8 compares to this table using a $1k cart in terms of price, but will blow this away. This company seems to be taking the Rega design parameters and slapping high mass parts on it in contravention of the Rega design. Not to mention that Rega is a real company with a real track record and real engineering and real trickle down technology and deluxe touches like owners manuals and on line support. I’m not sure how you can recommend this (not that you were- you seemed at pains not to draw a conclusion) given the obvious comparable company.
The motor, sub platter, power connection box and controller all look like Rega... maybe they are?
@@mrcoolsun3142could be. Many people use rega parts as a base to start from.
Rega marketing guy working overtime...
@@ddzfung nah
Grumble grumble grumble
Don’t watch. Don’t buy. 🫤
Yea. A turntable on a turntable is annoying.
Thats to get rid of the wow and flutter.
unfortunately, Fremer lost my confidence long ago . He does tell a good story , I credit him for that.
of course , with any new company, the important issue of long term product support must be considered , unless you don't mind shopping for a generic turntable belt on amazon for your multi thousand dollar turntable in a couple of years. best to nail down any concerns about product support before the purchase of any item , not just a turntable . it's just that quality turntables last so long, and things happen.