Defective $1000 Atari XP Carts & the State of Modern Atari | An Editorial
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- About two weeks ago, a user on X by the name of Cear Dragon posted that two of their limited AtariXP carts - Haunted House & Crystal Castles - were defective. Haunted House, he claimed, had the PCB inserted backwards and Crystal Castles, he said, was buggy and unplayable. As these were limited releases, it seems that Atari support didn't have the ability to replace them, but rather offered a refund. Far from ideal if you're wanting to collect the whole set.
The Limited XP line were ten classic cartridge reprints that included an illuminated acrylic top, a pin, patch, a stand, and more goodies. They each went for $100 making the whole set a grand.
Atari has now chimed in on the situation, and in this video, I was to zoom out and shine a light on the overall attitude and expectation some Atari enthusiasts have about the modern company, and provide my take on it all.
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I love the Atari renaissance
It's nice to see a content creator go a different direction than the masses. People like to click on videos of angry rants. It's refreshing to see a thought out, and grounded take on this particular situation.
I'm not a gatekeeper to any brand. Atari represents my earliest memories of gaming though.
Angry rants... the lifeblood of RUclips gaming channels. Somehow you catch more flies here with vinegar than honey.
This is such a great video. Thank you for the great remarks and honest feedback.
The nostalgia alone has cost me a lot! Atari has taken a lot of my money over the last few years but I’m not upset about it. The many hours of pure pleasure playing these games now is very similar to my experience half a century ago. I hope the best for Atari under Wade’s leadership. I’m along for the ride, even if it’s a little rough at times.
My pleasure!
So much of the coverage of Atari is either hype or drama or both. It’s refreshing to watch something that’s striving to be fact-based and balanced. Thanks Jon! ❤
And another awesome vid from GenXGrownUp!!! Thank you, Jon! On another note, I'm still loving my GSP...🙂 Hopefully, I will get to chat with you next month at the Retrorama Collectibles Show!!!
Jon, I simply love the content you make. This channel really feels like home.
I'd just add one cent:
What we love on Atari are not just products and related memories, but the result of the work of programmers, artists, designers and engineers. It's our Atari now, comrades! 😅
Agreed!
Well said.
Great video, Jon. A mature, informed, fair, and well-thought out rebuttle of a typical example of how ehco chambers spring up online. Atari will improve, the few tbings you mentioned are fixable, and I reallt think they have the customers' best interests at heart. They have my support and loyalty.
I have been a huge fan of Atari since I was a kid in the 79s and 80s but could never afford one at the time. I’m making up for this now. I’m just so happy that these products have had a revamp/improvement/update and are available to buy.
Great video. You can also apply what you said to the modern Atari VCS console. It's the perfect combo where retro meets modern and I can't understand the complaints about it. What more do you want?
I love Atari, including the games, systems, arcade releases, and history of the company, and I'm not even a Gen Xer. I was born 5 years after the release of the 2600, and played it around 1990 near the end of it's production. Even today I love homebrews on the 2600.
The modern Atari has become one of my favorite publishers in the past couple of years. The recent recharged series and classics reimagined are refreshing to see and I have had fun playing them on my Atari VCS. There are missteps here and there and it does seem they bite off more than they can chew, but the things they've done like the 2600+ got me to be able to finally play Kaboom with my dad, which I cherished over the holidays. They do a lot more right than they do wrong in my experience and I hope they continue to grow and thrive in the Triple I space, which I feel is the perfect space for Atari to be in.
Thank you so much for your level headed perspective! I can't understand the view that it's "not the real Atari." They act like Atari has never changed hands before. Even in its glory days, it changed hands from Nolan to Warner to Tramiel. That argument is very tired imo. Just enjoy the fact that one of the most amazing things from our childhood is having a resurgence!
A few years back there was a kickstarter for a handheld ZX Spectrum called the Vega +. The campain soon turned into an absolute disaster with only a few poorly made units being released, and the offical social media employing someone who openly mocked people who complained. Some people claimed this dragged down the name of Sinclair - except the launch of the ZX Spectrum was also a fiasco. Loads of pre-order customers were waiting with no updates forthcoming. This so resonated with what you said about Atari and the rose tinted glasses we were when we think about the games and not the abysnal business practices.
These last few months have been an Atari reawakening for me and a huge reason why is because of this channel. Thanks so much for your measured approach to everything you do.
Thanks for sticking up for Wade Rosen and Atari. Internet hate mobs can only put a damper on Wade's enthusiasm and is counterproductive.
Thanks. FWIW, it wasn't my goal to stand up for Wade or anyone in particular, but to add a (hopefully) more reasoned voice the crowd who make knee-jerk reactions without all the information.
@@GenXGrownUp Thank you for doing so :)
I'm glad to hear that they're trying to find a way to make this right. That's very important, especially with the price tag for this release. 🙂
Thank you for your research into the issue and presenting a balanced take on the situation at hand.
I am glad to do business with the new Atari. In my personal experience, I have never had an issue with anything not working or a problem with shipping times. They got my 2600 plus out to me in 3 days. And the voice enhanced Berzerk was here in 2. Same with the extra controllers. I have heard the typical complaints. But in my experience, I do not see the problems. I also need to say something about AtariAge. (which is now property of Atari from what I understand). I know this is slightly off topic. But I reached out to them because I ordered several homebrews last month, and still see the status as "pending". I got a personal email from Albert Yaruso. The context of the email made me realize that the guy is absolutely swamped with orders. And it seems like his staff is either extremely small, or he is doing all this himself. So just a heads up. If you order directly from AtariAge, it might take a while. Just had to point that out because I can guess that Al is getting a lot of hate from people who expect him to be like Amazon or something.
Atari was a great company originally, when Nolan Bushnell was upstarting and running it.
Those things Atari did that you mention were done after Atari, Inc. was bought out by Warner Communications, which put Mario Kassar in-charge of Atari, where Bushnell no longer worked at that time.
On a side note, Bushnell was a character and a true class act. He was in the business before Jobs and Gates were in it, for f•••ssake!
Well yeah just to make the distinction from what it was to what it would become, see.
Really great take on this. I am a total nutjob when it comes to buying this stuff (over the top) but I passed on this one. The youtube and twitter drama is pretty sad. I have seen this type of attitude with other hobbies (comic books especially) where the "influencers" just hate on the content in a doom loop. I get what Atari is doing and fully support them. Of course nothing is going to be perfect and with smaller budgets and smaller demographics, we all have to set realistic expectations. I'm still waiting on an order from Atariage from last July. I'm not going to cry about it on youtube. It's a HOBBY! Many of the same people complaining about Atari love to complain about the Analogue Pocket too. Get a life people.
Thanks for watching and for sharing your thoughts. 😁
Wow I can’t believe that people would make a big deal about 2 incidents of failure, years ago we had a video game program on the Australian tv that reported that world wide the Sony PS3 had 3% of their consoles failed and yet at the same time it was reported that Microsoft had 54% world wide of the Xbox 360 that had failed with the red ring of death.
That is over half of the world’s consoles manufactured, and people are making a big deal about a company that is giving us the nostalgia we crave. People need to just build a bridge and get over it!,
thanks again John.
Love the journalists approach. If only more would realize that many news article are just referencing the same source over and over again.
"Don't blame me this time!"---Howard Scott Warshaw
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This is a classic video gaming editorial piece that is sorely missed. No Orange Man Bad conspiracies by any urinalyst with purple or blue-grey hair, no trash talking the company just to get some brownie points, and no calling any one who does not like what you do a racist and/or '-istophobe'. Nothing but a sensible, well reasoned op-ed about personal research and discovery that informs, has a bit of entertainment value, and talks to the viewer like a grown up adult able to think for themselves. Man, do I miss journalism like this. This video was a breath of fresh air.
As a fellow GXG I was a witness to the insanity of Ataris self-destruction. I have also dreamed of the day that someone to right the wrongs of Ataris past. I feel the current people at Atari are doing just that. Taking the good and helping push it into the future for the next generations to enjoy and understand the history of the beginning of the industry we all love.
Jon.....I absolutely love the positive tone and intent of your regular content but I have to tell you that I love this too. You're not afraid to share an opposing opinion AND your reasoning behind it. Thank you for not being afraid to drop videos like this.
Atari is amazing. I am so glad new generations are discovering it.
I like that I was sent a replacement Yars Returns when I hadn't even tried it to make sure it worked. Didn't even know there was an issue. Usually, you have to do the whole process from the consumers' end.
The 2600+ has been great, flawed, but kinks are actively being worked out. I enjoy it more than my upgraded Retron 77 because it feels more authentic.
Not to happy about the marketing of Yars Returns(you know what I'm talking about) and Bezerk... They weren't made by Atari as they people to believe.
It's a company at a crossroad... hopefully, they don't stray into becoming as morally bankrupt as Atari 1.0.
Remember when the Atari VCS was announced and everyone laughed/scoffed at it? Give Atari (sorry, can't call it "Newtari") credit for tapping into their history and trying to resurrect the legacy they should have. Even after some questionable moves with crypto/NFTs/hotels (seriously?), the name is out there.
Unlike some other company from that era...
Best video I’ve seen on the topic yet.
Thanks for your kind words and for taking the time to watch. 😁
I'm dumbfounded. I had never heard of, nor ever expected anything like, an Atari Hotel.
Very well said Jon! As we know these “netizens” (aka “keyboard warriors”) seem to thrive off negativity and controversy. Atari seems to be handling this very well by openly admitting the errors in those cartridges and trying their best to fix the problem.
When Tempest 4000 came out on PC it was a buggy mess. Llamasoft did release a "patch" that was supposed to fix all of the bugs in the original code. In the process though, they made more bugs and some of the original bugs did not get addressed, so the game was still unplayable. Llamasoft said they could not help me because Atari held all of the purse strings when it came to the game. So I emailed Atari, not once, not twice, not three times, but four different times and they would not get back to me. So I had to turn them into the Consumer Affairs Division of the New York Attorney General's office. Finally they replied and they did take care of me. Atari refunded the price I paid for the Steam version that is still not playable, and they actually gave me an extra $25.00 so I could buy a physical copy of Tempest 4000 for the PS4. So, it does take some doing, but you can get Atari to listen to you.
Wow, what an ordeal. I'm sorry to hear you had that experience. Thanks for watching and for sharing your thoughts. 😁
Glad you looked into my mention of madlittlepixel’s video. Fair assessment of the situation. I’d just expect for a premium price there would be premium quality control and an emphasis on being top notch especially if you’re a small company with a customer base with big expectations. I’d suggest that limited edition runs like this come with a contract with the manufacturer (production) that includes a deadline for shipment that includes a financial penalty and liability for defects that includes replacement products for a certain amount (ie: one year) after the product ships. I’d also suggest contracts that keeps the software creators on the hook for issues long after release as well.
I’d argue that the original Atari didn’t even exist after Bushnell sold out to Warner. Once it became a corporate subsidiary, I feel that that’s when the original spirit of the company began to die off. And I won’t even go into the insanity that were the Tramiel years. As for Atari Interactive or whatever they are called now, I don’t necessarily see them as Atari so much as they are the current keepers of the flame. And let’s be fair, these folks have really done a lot to bring the fun back to the fans and bring respect to the legacy. Are they perfect? Nope. But they’re doing some great work and have got me excited about these games again. And frankly, that’s more than I ever expected from anyone still waving the Atari flag in 2024. Atari is dead! Long live Atari!
Well said. Tramiel kept the name alive for a lot longer and released new and repackaged products but the soul of the old company was long gone by that point. I've respect for a lot of what Tramiel tried to do but it wasn't the original Atari spirit.
This was a fair video and I appreciate your take, Jon. However, I have the Crystal Castles issue, and I can confirm that in my own experience, Atari support was near silent until these reports were raised publicly. I appreciate that Atari are actively investigating the issue now, but it's a shame that it took this to inspire them to action.
Also, I'm curious whether you tried Crystal Castles on multiple consoles or the 2600+? My cart worked in a 4-switch, but bugged out in the 2600+. I then tested on a variety of 2600 and 7800 consoles, and most demonstrated the issue. My 40-year old copy of Crystal Castles worked fine on all hardware. Might be worth plugging into the 2600+ to see what happens.
Atari had the best 8-bit computers of the lot, with the XL and XE, but didn’t market them well compared to what Commodore did with the C64.
I wouldn't call the XP line, "overpriced," as they're no more expensive than similar ltd products for other systems.
I think ATARI finally realised they had a larger fanbase than ATARI must have assumed.
ATARI has been smart, realising the retro revival as the *perfect* time to reintroduce themselves to the gaming world.
If they release enhanced ports of Blue Max (which ATARI should make its very own I.P.), 1942, and Lee (The 8-bit Bruce Lee) for the 7800 with Pokey Audio then I think ATARI would shift a ton of carts per game.
The modern games are also cool, and I love their reimagined games.
Their (ATARI), giving us what we have been asking for, modern hardware for our classic games, new and repressed carts, story driven updates of the classics, and so much more.
As for the VCS800, I would say it was a success in its own right, as it has served as inspiration to take the company forward.
Had ATARI released the system in its current form, and launched in Europe, then I think the VCS800 would have been able to build a significant user base.
Great video as always.
A very well rounded response to what's gone on, and fair play for going against the echo chamber. I tend to agree with pretty much all of what you said, cheers all the best.
Thanks for watching and for sharing your thoughts. 😁
That was the scariest Shaggy I've ever seen. :)
Zoinks! Was that a holloween horror park?
Whoa, I hadn't seen what the cartridges were designed like....those are really cool looking with the unique design art and color of each one. They are much more cost than I could legitimize spending that much on, If I had that much spare money I would just buy all the other old vintage game consoles I'd like to have, like old Xbox or NES.
I have the original Haunted House, but would like to play the Haunted House 2nd ed. (It might be on the Gamestation Pro, I can't remember).
I have Crystal Castle arcade version on a PlayStation collection disc and its really cool. That original version special edition looks unplayable to me personally as the depth of field is too flat and the perspective angle is kinda too low so it's hard to see where your character is exactly.
I don´t see Atari as a company. I see it as a part of the history of videogames I really like, and I will always enjoy it because of the memories. I will Always love Atari, for the experience and great programmers it gave us. I don´t care who is behind the brand. The legacy is what matters to me.
It is true that we tend to romanticize the old company. Most of us envision Nolan Bushnell hanging out with Steve Jobs while Howard Warshaw smokes a joint in the bathroom. But the truth is that most of us probably grew up with Atari in the Ray Kassar era when corporate interests had taken over the company and killed the independent hippy vibe.
However… none of that excuses the current Atari’s missteps. I mean, consumers aside, wasn’t there even a story about their employees not getting paid? They’ve made some horrible decisions as a company and I feel like every bit of criticism thrown their way has been earned. Personally I think those idiots who got conned into the VCS(AtariBox) have the most to complain about. This cartridge scandal seems like an issue that can be rectified even if the solution is from the fan community. I mean, if the worst case is a full refund then you’ve still got a free shell and box with the ability to install some kind of homebrewed option. Right? But I can’t blame anyone from being out of good will at this point.
Thanks for watching and for sharing your thoughts. 😁
Atari is alive and well. One thing to add to what modern Atari has done over the last several years is it's Web 3 presence, AtariX. Offical Atari NFT'S, swag, games, collaborations with Web 3 creators further prove it's doing well and is Still The Future Since Forever. ❤
Thanks for watching and for sharing your thoughts. 😁
Jon I like your take on this. For me Atari brings nothing but great nostalgia. Modern Atari is a second chance for some fun I missed out on. Way to focus on the positive. Far too often people would rather spread negativity. Great content as usual.
Well said Jon! This is a well-thought out statement.
Jon...your spot on with this. Nailed it.
Imagine a parallel universe in which Atari had been purchased by a Japanese consortium in 2008. Japanese, Korean, even Chinese ownership… honestly… I think that parallel universe would have been better than this.
Not throwing shade at Atari for the issue, and my question is more of a technical one (although I must admit I have not read the thread on AtariAge or anywhere else), but if there does exist some bug in the new Crystal Castles that causes gems to be placed outside the normal playfield, is that a result of some code being altered in some way for this release, or something to do with maybe the boards they were using being somewhat different from original spec? Just trying to understand the “why” behind the problem from a technical standpoint.
I think if either of us could accurately diagnose, we'd be Atari heroes! 😁 Since some are working and a few are not, that suggests it's not software based. If I had to guess, I'd go in the direction of a voltage condition where the illuminated marquee on the cart was an additional draw and somehow making the game wig out. Again, just my wild speculation and very likely wrong. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts.
I disagree about your points on the original Atari. Was the original Atari perfect? No, but I think there are a plethora of reasons to celebrate it. Also, Atari did not run the video game industry into the ground. There were many different factors responsible, and not all those factors lay at the feet of Atari.
I pretty much agree with you on everything else. Nice editorial.
What Atari Renaissance?!? Where ?!?
I’ve been on the Atari 400 mini waitlist forever. Getting desperate and may buy on EBay because I’m not convinced they will actually replenish stock.
The Atari Hotels are still happening.. not sure why people hate the idea... perfect place to have fun...and can host conventions from cross market themes, it's not like video gamers live in isolation and don't also like movies, comics, etc..
I hope they do, as I'll be staying there! You must agree that it's an odd direction for a vintage gaming company, though. 😁 Thanks for watching and for sharing your thoughts.
@@GenXGrownUp no more odd than starting a pizza place with a rat mascot to get video games in front of kids...
Balanced view as ever John. I do think that if Atari can't replace the broken cartridges then they should offer the buyer a refund for the full set, that would be good customer service, anything less would rightly stain their reputation.
spot on Jon. we'll said.
Oh wow, those carts are gorgeous. I can understand the high price.
This is at least the fourth "real Atari" in my book. Bushnell Atari/Syzygy. Time warmer Atari. And of course Jack Tramiel Atari Corp. They've at least finally captured some of the original magic with systems like the 2600+ and 400 mini imo.
Thank you for this video
great video jon. but if there is issues with the atari 50 collection with such a premium product and price they should have been all hand checked. i understand normal reproduced carts in bulk there will be faulty ones but this set at that price tag if and big if issues are true should have done better
Very good point, Jon!
I love they are trying to resurrect the Atari name and embracing the retro games! I think the recharge versions of the games for modern players makes a lot of sense. I just hope they can fix production issues and be able to ship at the promised times. 3-4 months is a fair wait, but a year is crazy! They need to build in some expectations for resolving issues. Communication is key! Their customer service is tied up, but doesn’t always respond well. But, I know they are trying.
I agree. Communication and customer support might be their weakest trait at the moment. Thanks for watching and for sharing your thoughts. 😁
Same time, it’s great to see Atari rolling faster and better, as more haters try to stem its tide!
There's no comparison between the two companies. One is selling memorabilia without any real technical innovation. The other was a group of legendary industry-building innovators and artists. There's simply no comparison, as much as I want to hype it up. - MBA, MIT
I think you just did the comparison.
@GenXGrownUp They're not really even marketing the same sort of product. One sold innovation. The other sells nostalgia. I'll buy some nostalgia, but innovation should be expected from that brand. Instead, they play it cheap and safe, selling successful properties that peaked fourty years ago. It's apples and oranges, with the 'confusion' residing in the ownership of trademarks.
@GenXGrownUp I suppose I'd say it's just a really tough name to live up to. The people involved in early Atari were responsible for significant, world-altering consumer electronics innovation: Jobs, Wozniak, Bushnell, and many other lesser knowns. These people, along with Atari as an organization, changed consumer electronics AND business operations forever. It's not just about games, and it's myopic to cite the end of a business life-cycle as emblematic of this business in general.
I love the views and opinions. Unbiased and honest
Thanks, Power. A wise reporter once told me, "There's no such thing as unbiased - what's important is to disclose your bias." We all have an angle, but keeping that a secret is where things start to get shady. 😁
@@GenXGrownUp But we see both sides and we know where you are coming from. It isn't all sunshine and roses and blowing smoke up our asses. You focus on the bad and the good. It isn't just a one sided glowfest. If it is truly bad, you will say so. You aren't some corporate shill of an influencer. You lay out the facts and people can decide what their opinion is from there.
Retro gaming as a community has started to become a little toxic in the same way other types of fan communities have. It didn't used to be that way but I've definitely noticed that change over the past ten years or so. At the same time, collectors in general seem to have become more entitled. It used to be that we'd be happy to get what we could; now there's a contingent that pretty much just complains about everything. I wish that group would just go away; they didn't used to be part of the community, or at least didn't used to feel it was appropriate to always articulate those feelings. As for these defective carts, to me a partial refund while letting the customer keep the cartridge seems a pretty simple and obvious solution. No big whoop.
That's a very measured & reasoned proposal. Be careful you don't get punched for it! 😉
Thanks for watching and for sharing your thoughts. 😁
While I respect that the modern-day Atari may be a relatively small business, and one that is doing some neat things, it still seems like it ought to be within their capabilities to do adequate QA on cartridges that they're charging $100 apiece for- especially _because_ those cartridges have such a limited run. Major chip manufacturers are making 20 nm circuit boards, and Atari can't find a factory that can accurately reproduce PCBs from the late 70s-early 80s? Or at least adequately test them before shipping them out? The vitriol may be overblown, but Atari seems to have sabotaged itself a bit, here.
Good points. Thanks for watching and for sharing your thoughts. 😁
Thanks!
This whole thing reminded me of a rumor than ran amok a few months ago claiming Xbox was going full-on 3rd party. If you recall, every "new article" was referencing the same rumor/tweet, w/o asking MicroSoft if there was any validity to the rumor. People were claiming Gears of War, Indiana Jones, Forza, Starfield & even Halo were all going multiplatform.
At the end of the day, the reality was that only a small handful of games, mostly older titles, ended up being ported, some of which had initially been planned as multiplats & were comsole timed-exclusives.
Much like that MicroSoft Xbox meltdown, something tells me this is just more of the same type of clickbait. While there might be a kernel of truth here, this seems much ado about nothing.
Just a (small) suggestion. Unrelated to the topic at hand.
You mentioned your podcast, which I have never listened to (my bad), and you say that you cover a variety of topics, pretty much movies, pop culture, the 80's stuff (I made up the last one...) but just as suggestion, why don't you turn those podcasts into actual videos for the channel? Not only that would add a lot of flavor to the channel, but you may get a lot of traction on the views, and I really, really NEED a nostalgia channel, especially covering 80's stuff. Your videos a very enjoyable, why not adding that type of videos from time to time?
I second the idea of filming the podcast and showing it here on RUclips! But I prefer more of a 1970’s focus…. simply based on my age. The 70’s were the decade that molded me in to who I am today.
That's how this channel started, but over the years, only gaming nostalgia videos ever got any views. Thanks for asking.
They could always explain packaging and printing problems as employees smoking pot... just like at the original Atari.
It's great to see Atari back I'm sure they'll iron out whatever issue they are having
Voice of sanity.
I think that if Atari is not able to replace the defective carts they should at least offer a refund for the entire set cause the buyer probably wanted the entire set and not only some carts. If Atari wants to offer a premium product they have to accompany it with premium customer service, otherwise they should stay away from special editions.
Well said.
🎶🎵Have you played ATARI today...🎵
Wasn't Sony originally a rice cooker company? 90% of companies have changed in some way since their beginning
I didn't know that, but Google just confirmed. Huh! Thanks for watching and for sharing your thoughts. 😁
I doubt even if you had both of the messed up carts, the complete set will still appreciate in price as collectibles. If people were buying them just to play, they can play the O.G. 2600 carts instead and stop crying.
You make a valid point. I think it's entirely fair of a consumer who paid a premium for the cart for it to be working, though.
Objection! Atari you said was “a product of its time” was not Atari. Original Atari when Nolan founded the company was good, but Atari of 1977 when Nolan sold the company wasn’t. Even then, you can’t blame them for causing the crash. They tried suing activision to stop making games, because others saw their success then companies flooded the market with bad games. This is like blaming a restaurant for rats, when the city made it illegal to kill rats. Even then, it wasn’t like Atari was evil. Atari after they weren’t on a budget of 30 cents and a toothpick. Programmers got credit in manuals. Look in the Yars’ revenge manual, you’ll see HSW in the manual, and Todd Fry got 10 cents for every pac-man cartridge sold.But if you are feeling down, just answer this one question.
HAVE YOU PLAYED ATARI TODAY?
While yes they are a small company, I think that instead of spending possibly millions of dollars on aquiring different retro intellectual properties, making cryptocurrency or hotels, Atari should first spend some money on hiring more people and improving the company's capabilities & connections so that they can actually deliver on things that they say they will on time and with less issues.
Understandable. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts.
I like the new Atari company but wished it was American owned.
yeah ok, but $1000? $150-$200 tops.
I think when people refer to the original Atari they are talking about the talent and not the management.
By management I mean the corporate management, not the original founders.
I'm sure. That very talent that the management chased away! 😁
Meh... The defective stock might actually be more collectible in another 50 years.
I can’t stand madlittlepixel
Same.
I don't know him personally, but he seems quite successful.
@@GenXGrownUp there’s a lot of successful people that are jerks. I put him in that category.
He's quite odd.
@@GenXGrownUp Oh he is, it's not a personal thing, in fact I was subbed early on, I just got bored with his content which was mostly just parroting a thousand others and many I prefer with their delivery etc, I didn't find him doing much else and many seemed to beat him to the punch as well so among my many subscriptions I found his content very redundant, so I unsubbed him some time ago. 🤷♀
Atari didn't "run the gaming industry into the ground", that's a false statement. It became an oversaturated market. If anything a more factual statement would be that there were a ton of companies that wanted a slice of the pie that Atari baked. There were too many consoles that played a lot of the same games and just too many consoles in general. There were tons of unlicensed games that were released. Even Quaker Oats had a company called U.S. Games that put out games for the Atari 2600! I'm sorry, but the Atari of the now is nowhere close to Atari from the late 70's to the early 90's. Atari used to put out innovative new products, now the French holding company known as Atari just puts out new ways to enjoy the old products and rehashes old games. Are some of the Rehashed AKA Recharged games fun? Yep. Did "Atari" create something that's totally new and innovative? Nope. I want you to do some more research, look into all of the amazing products Atari created back in the day. Look at arcade games and Atari computers too. Not just consoles. Do you not understand how much the Atari ST did for the music industry alone? Think about all the cool things that Atari brought out when Jack Tramiel was in charge. A speaker hat that already existed that has the word Atari on it is NOT innovation. Neither is creating a new console that can also run a PC operating system.
Thanks for watching and for sharing your thoughts.
@GenXGrownUp I'll tell ya this: if they release an off the shelf android emulator handheld with zero freakin innovation, packed full of entirely old titles, and try to call it the Lynx III, I'm gonna be p i double-s e d -ed.
@@SlippinnnJimmy lol fake Atari can’t even be bothered to have companies use FPGA. They just stick the Stella emulator in a crap device and the posers eat it up like it’s a tasty snack.
@sinistermoon I don't want to insult people for enjoying classics, but they could invest in some creative and engineering talent. Did they *really* put Stella in one of their products?
@@SlippinnnJimmy lol all of their licensed products anymore just use Stella and no FPGA. It’s all just crappy underpowered emulation. But no one seems to care as long as they have new toys to play with. They can’t be bothered to just mod their original consoles to work with their modern TVs better or just use a crt tv.
Wow, imagine how great the world would be if journalists and ordinary people did the same thing as you. Doing further research and drawing your own conclusions. That would be Utopia.
Ha! Thanks for the kind words, and for taking the time to watch. 😁
I love Atari old and new, when you love something you can recognize flaws but you do not jump to hateful trash-talking as a first response, and if someone does not like Atari why are they buying from them?
I don't like the idea of Atari creating consoles and software for collectors. They seemed to have lost the plot. They can make games that can appeal to all game players.
That's fair. Do you not think they're doing both? Pretty regular new releases across all platorms in addition to the admittedly niche and "hardcore collector" market, suggest to me they'd like to keep both revenue streams alive. Perhaps that's part of their overreach.
I think the consoles are a good thing. The 2600+ plays cartridges, and new cartridge games are being made and sold, as well as new games that can be downloaded on the VCS.
Atari made as much stupid things as great things. Only buy the great stuff and forget about stupid pre-order, wait for the reviews. Not as bad as the stupid sh... that Sony and MS do to their console victims.
You should rewatch your OWN video again and listen to your words carefully...
I wrote it and edited it, so I'm familiar with what I said. If you have a counterpoint, please share.
@@GenXGrownUp Then, it is a value issue... I am not sure how you can find ANY excuse for a big corporation (1) when they are asking 1k for 10 games already made (2)...
@@migueldias8546 That's an oversimplification of the releases. Have you looked into what they offer? It's not simply a re-print, but a new illuminated, custom cartridge with new artwork, a stand, a pin, and a patch. It's really not so different than re-releases of any other media with special bonus materials. If the consumer finds the value in what's offered, then they may purchase. If they don't then they can continue to enjoy the version they own.
@@GenXGrownUp I am glad you are doing great for yourself. There is no problem with price or with what people do with their money - believe me, I collect games, I have no lesson to give to anyone. But 1k is a lot of money especially for ten 50-year old games, so the product should be perfect. There is no acceptable excuse once you set the bar so high. That said, I am human, I make mistakes all the time. I understand that, but when you are a big corporation, you should plan for errors and solutions. As customers, we can’t accept anything less. Othersie, what’s next?
Your just a Atari shill, how much did they pay u to make your response?
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Its really nothing more than people complaining online and having buyers remorse trying to get their money back. This can be electronics, hard goods, anything. So called modern culture primarily complains online and would never have the guts to do it in person
I do agree with you. Atari of today are simply not massive like Nintendo, Sony, or MS, and so I personally understand the trouble they are having with the collectors carts. I appreciate what Wade Rosen is doing. I'm a life long Atari fan, and like you, saw the passion within the current Atari, and I think Al from atariage saw it as well. People are accusing the new Atari of being what the old Time Warner Atari was, just a bunch of executives looking to make a quick buck. I would like nothing more then to see Atari return to form, and be the company that the founders always wanted it to be.
Thanks for watching and for sharing your thoughts. 😁
Nintendo isn’t massive really. They’re no Sony or Microsoft.
Well done, Jon.
Bang on. Well said and an example of the problem with a lot of journalism today.
I agree with you! I have had some shipping issues with the current Atari, but they have always fixed them. They may not always be fast.. BUT! We do have Atari, and I am enjoying the shirts, jackets, games, and everything they are doing!
I feel like this is a pretty balanced perspective on the situation with the XP carts, and “Newtari” generally. So far, my experience has been pretty good. I can play the enhanced Berzerk and Mr Run and Jump on my original 4-switch VCS, though I had to go thru some hoops around upscaling on my gaming setup - beyond the scope of anything Atari can be made responsible for. About the only pain point was waitlists for the paddle bundle, or the CX+ controllers, but that’s understandable due to limited demand for controllers for 40-50 year old consoles. I give the current company a solid B.
I have to agree. I was one of those very critical of the company that called itself Atari. But then they got rid of the old management it seems and the new one seems more in tune with what the company can, and should, deliver. I very nearly bought a 2600+ but wife talked me out of it. I'm not as keen on the 400 mini but it is another step in the right direction. I may yet buy some new controllers and pick up a copy of the new Berzerk, which was the first game I bought for my original machine (the cart is in the attic somewhere but stopped working a few years ago).
It makes me happy that young gamers are getting into Atari
Good video, fair and valid comments. I have a lot of nostalgia for Atari but am ambivalent re their recent products, they haven’t produced anything I would want to buy, it all seems way overpriced - but I’m pleased the name lives on and some people enjoy their products.
That's entirely fair. Much has been said about their seeming milking of collectors, but they're doing it at the same time as new multi-platform game releases. Like you, the consumer will speak with their wallet to let them know which makes them profitable. Thanks for watching and for sharing your thoughts. 😁
Jon,
I bought the Atari Lunar Lander PCB on the advertised premise that you could solder components to it and create the original game. I have the original Lunar Lander arcade game with a working board set. When I received the board, it was silk screened on the side that needed all of the solder connections. You would have to scrape off all of that paint manually and that’s probably thousands of holes. Nonetheless, contacting Atari support , took about 16 months of back-and-forth emails of which there was several weeks between replies and several different people involved when they finally said that was all they offered. This is not the case. Resellers now offer and advertise that there is a silk-screen version and a non-silk screen version. Atari support was absolutely horrible. The products that I have purchased (many) are fine. But the customer support is absolutely horrendous.
Finally somebody telling the truth here and not just kissing butt !!!!
Im' sorry to hear you had that experience. I've been fortunate to not have had to go through support for any issues, but I understand they sometimes struggle to keep up with customers' needs.
Am I still waiting for pre-paid paddle controllers? Yes. I don’t mind though. I’m so thrilled that Atari is back and trying to make their name great again. I have really great 2600 memories from when I was about 8 years old. I can’t buy everything they make right now but I rushed to get the 2600+ and Mr Run and jump. I’ve been having a blast these last 6 months re-collecting old cartridges and introducing my son to these games. And guess what…. He happens to be 8 years old right now.
That's the good stuff, right there. Sharing your loves with your children is a bonus level you can always win. Thanks for watching and for sharing your thoughts. 😁