Id like a comparison of a rzr 1000 xp on the dyno to see how their clutches diminish the power that they claim. I think it would be educational for ppl to see what happens at the CVT and all the components involved with the power loss.
with a polaris I geerally see 20-30% loss engine hp to wheel hp. fairly common on all cvt driven machines this machine rated 105 hp, showing 70.12 rwhp, and 105 engine hp shows us 39.835541343079% drivetrain loss on this segway. , The Ecu is 90% to blame for the powerloss feeling the any cvt portrays to the userECU controls motor, motor output drives cvt. ecu is to blame for the OEM tune using cutbacks in throttle, fuel, ignition,low load limiters, all controlling the motors rpm vs wheel speed function which relates directly into the cvt, based on speed, pedal, load, map, voltage,Temps, gear, mode, and rpm. Unknowing to most people they begin to chase RPM with the cvt only to run into the cutbacks of the ecu even faster, they may improve low end, but top end suffers due to increase of rpm and ecu cutting back power to contain it under 8400-8500 rpm which the ecu is controlling heavily. as you see here, if you monitired the RPM on the right axis youd see how he gained RPM and power at all the speeds showing an increase, not jsut increase in rpm limit, shiftout rpm increase as you accelerate. all without any modifications to the cvt, yet the cvt will show improvment. always best to tune, then clutch. here they would benefit from added tip mass and lighter base mass on the cvt arm
Awesome content brother as always!. Love your tune looks like it's going in right direction.you got a lot of smart people making it happen. But I'm telling you, you have to open up that intake, that intake filtration is so restrictive that's worth some serious horsepower right there! So open up the intake build a better more efficient intake and watch those numbers go up! I buddy of mine here in the Northwest has one of these dinos and found a major flaw in the intake, very restrictive. The exhaust believe or not is fairly good from the factory main issue is that intake Open it up!
Is this a 2023 or 2024 Villain? Interesting how different this is verse the tune and power output from the UT10, as I believe they are the same engines. Thank you RealTalkPowersports for making this video and all the work that goes into getting these tunes and parts for us Segway owners. The aftermarket is getting much better for the Villain, and it is directly because of TeamMSC. I will be ordering my tune soon.
Thanks brother! We appreciate you and this is a 2023 model villain. We are gonna put the 24 model on there within the next week or so and check for changes. We are already going through the ECU software to check
100% agree, these guys are the pioneers of new development of new units entering the market! Too bad the CF Moto naysayers are against it lol people are afraid of change is part of the human conditioning..
Hey awesome videos. I may get a uforce very soon. But I had a question, do y’all have a tune for a 2023 Yamaha Grizzly 700? And if you do would it help?
Have you done any dyno tuning on a villain with an exhaust and trail clutch kit or anything of that nature. Just wondering of the gains and maybe some other things i can do to help. Thanks
So you've got my ECU already delivered there to MSC right now for a Villain tune. The car is otherwise stock. Now, in the future if you come out with a clutch kit or exhaust or whatnot, and you have a tune made for it, is there going to be an 'upgrade discount' if I keep getting new parts that need new tunes? Not that I'm thinking of changing too much before I get some more trail time with the stock setup (Its friggin cold out there so I'm done driving for the winter) but ya know. I kinda have to get parts as they become available since this is a car early in the world of aftermarket stuff.
I cant phking believe people buy this $hit, then there sTill not satisfied, so they Go Pay even moRe Wasted Money to Add Enough moRe Power to Destroy It Pretty Much........ There Just an Expensive Toy BoYs... Simmer Down.......
People with a need for speed and power will always look for ways to make it happen. Been going on since the first gas powered car ever made. They started to begin seeing what they can do to make it go faster !! So NO...we won't ever "Simmer down"
The tune is $399. At 16:25 in the video you're chirping about how you can't get more of a performance upgrade for $199. When I contacted you about this all you could say was, well, that video is old, and we had to raise the price. Dishonest and total horseshit. Stop the false advertising. Reduce the price or take down the video. I'll be filing a complaint.
Sir, may I ask you to consider how no product out there on the market, whether off-road related, fast food related, health related, or anything for that matter stays the same price..? Everything increases price over time wether its economy effected, demand effected or labor and material and development effected. At the time of this original video, the price was $199. Since then there have been changes and the price is back at $399 which is the price it use to be a couple years ago.
@@RealTalkPowersports The difference SIR is that you have a promotional video up that PROMOTES a specific price point. Show me the other products you're referring to that are promoting a price that is actually double what the advertisement says. Go. Now, do the right thing and either take the video down or do it over. And rather than just admit it's wrong and fix it, you want to school me on the economy. It's bullshit and you know it.
You guys did my tune last year at this time mail and got my ecu back in about a week
Yes sir.. all depends on the shipping route each customer uses to get it to us.. but once it’s in our hands, we will get it back out asap
Love the way it looks like an old vw beetle baja buggy
Looks great!!
Awesome job 👍
Thanks brother
Id like a comparison of a rzr 1000 xp on the dyno to see how their clutches diminish the power that they claim. I think it would be educational for ppl to see what happens at the CVT and all the components involved with the power loss.
Yes sir! I plan to get a few different machines and run them all back to back
Agreed!
with a polaris I geerally see 20-30% loss engine hp to wheel hp. fairly common on all cvt driven machines this machine rated 105 hp, showing 70.12 rwhp, and 105 engine hp shows us 39.835541343079% drivetrain loss on this segway.
, The Ecu is 90% to blame for the powerloss feeling the any cvt portrays to the userECU controls motor, motor output drives cvt. ecu is to blame for the OEM tune using cutbacks in throttle, fuel, ignition,low load limiters, all controlling the motors rpm vs wheel speed function which relates directly into the cvt, based on speed, pedal, load, map, voltage,Temps, gear, mode, and rpm. Unknowing to most people they begin to chase RPM with the cvt only to run into the cutbacks of the ecu even faster, they may improve low end, but top end suffers due to increase of rpm and ecu cutting back power to contain it under 8400-8500 rpm which the ecu is controlling heavily. as you see here, if you monitired the RPM on the right axis youd see how he gained RPM and power at all the speeds showing an increase, not jsut increase in rpm limit, shiftout rpm increase as you accelerate. all without any modifications to the cvt, yet the cvt will show improvment. always best to tune, then clutch. here they would benefit from added tip mass and lighter base mass on the cvt arm
@@VFORCEJOHN very helpful info, thanks for the time spent with your answere.
seen a couple rzr dyno runs both 68 hp
Awesome content brother as always!. Love your tune looks like it's going in right direction.you got a lot of smart people making it happen. But I'm telling you, you have to open up that intake, that intake filtration is so restrictive that's worth some serious horsepower right there! So open up the intake build a better more efficient intake and watch those numbers go up! I buddy of mine here in the Northwest has one of these dinos and found a major flaw in the intake, very restrictive. The exhaust believe or not is fairly good from the factory main issue is that intake Open it up!
Thank you sir! We definitely will be taking a deeper dive into it over the next little while
Is this a 2023 or 2024 Villain? Interesting how different this is verse the tune and power output from the UT10, as I believe they are the same engines. Thank you RealTalkPowersports for making this video and all the work that goes into getting these tunes and parts for us Segway owners. The aftermarket is getting much better for the Villain, and it is directly because of TeamMSC. I will be ordering my tune soon.
Thanks brother! We appreciate you and this is a 2023 model villain.
We are gonna put the 24 model on there within the next week or so and check for changes. We are already going through the ECU software to check
100% agree, these guys are the pioneers of new development of new units entering the market! Too bad the CF Moto naysayers are against it lol people are afraid of change is part of the human conditioning..
Can't wait to see a super Villain dyno
Me too
Have you heard anything when the Supervillain will arrive?
Do you save the oem tune so if you need to go in for warranty work we could send our ecu back in to flash back to stock
Hey awesome videos. I may get a uforce very soon. But I had a question, do y’all have a tune for a 2023 Yamaha Grizzly 700? And if you do would it help?
Have you done any dyno tuning on a villain with an exhaust and trail clutch kit or anything of that nature. Just wondering of the gains and maybe some other things i can do to help. Thanks
So you've got my ECU already delivered there to MSC right now for a Villain tune. The car is otherwise stock. Now, in the future if you come out with a clutch kit or exhaust or whatnot, and you have a tune made for it, is there going to be an 'upgrade discount' if I keep getting new parts that need new tunes? Not that I'm thinking of changing too much before I get some more trail time with the stock setup (Its friggin cold out there so I'm done driving for the winter) but ya know. I kinda have to get parts as they become available since this is a car early in the world of aftermarket stuff.
I have the tune coming back soon and my exhaust is already on and stage 1 clutch is coming soon. Heck yea
The price went up $200?
The video says the tune is $199. I clicked the link and it says $399. Please clarify.
What happened to 199 tunes they are 300 now ?
If I buy ecu tune for 950sport gen 2 does it eliminate low gear and reverse limiters?
When we can see a zforce on the dyno with tune?
It’s up next!
@@RealTalkPowersports okaay I wait too see and what about the zforce with NOS?
I did re map and gain 16 hp it was 105 hp and now 121-122 HP
Hmmm 🤔
Post a video.
@@RealTalkPowersports Bull.
I'd love to see that
Is this 87 or 93 tune?
87
Did he say bike? I see a 4 wheeled vehicle there.... are my eyes failing?
Add some e85 you will probably gain 20 hp
you raised the cost of $199, to $399, why>? I think Price gouging is going on , what other thing your going to raise
I cant phking believe people buy this $hit, then there sTill not satisfied, so they Go Pay even moRe Wasted Money to Add Enough moRe Power to Destroy It Pretty Much........ There Just an Expensive Toy BoYs... Simmer Down.......
🤡
People with a need for speed and power will always look for ways to make it happen. Been going on since the first gas powered car ever made. They started to begin seeing what they can do to make it go faster !!
So NO...we won't ever "Simmer down"
The tune is $399. At 16:25 in the video you're chirping about how you can't get more of a performance upgrade for $199. When I contacted you about this all you could say was, well, that video is old, and we had to raise the price. Dishonest and total horseshit. Stop the false advertising. Reduce the price or take down the video. I'll be filing a complaint.
Sir, may I ask you to consider how no product out there on the market, whether off-road related, fast food related, health related, or anything for that matter stays the same price..?
Everything increases price over time wether its economy effected, demand effected or labor and material and development effected.
At the time of this original video, the price was $199. Since then there have been changes and the price is back at $399 which is the price it use to be a couple years ago.
@@RealTalkPowersports The difference SIR is that you have a promotional video up that PROMOTES a specific price point. Show me the other products you're referring to that are promoting a price that is actually double what the advertisement says. Go. Now, do the right thing and either take the video down or do it over. And rather than just admit it's wrong and fix it, you want to school me on the economy. It's bullshit and you know it.