I was wrong about Sol Ark 15K versus EG4 18KPV

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  • @timrauscher3965
    @timrauscher3965 22 дня назад

    I appreciate a man who can do what you have to set things straight. I've purchased the EG4, which will arrive tomorrow and based on what you brought to my attention I will stay with it. Thanks for the video.

  • @keithpvbatt2040
    @keithpvbatt2040 3 часа назад

    We have installed many of both on off grid jobs, the EG4 has better surge capacity. The peak out puts are not as good on the sol-ark this has been tested by us over and over.
    Missed advatages:
    EG4 higher PV VOC input is huge from a design and adaptability stand point.
    EG4 has build in rapid shutdown transmitter's
    EG4 has plug and play CTs

  • @TheFatman819
    @TheFatman819 6 месяцев назад +7

    The inverter is the heart of your system, Sol-Ark cost more best is has proven itself in the industrial market and is well made. I had nothing but nightmares with 3 Growatt 5000es and Signature Solar did not help. I used to wake up at night to make sure they didn't kick off and I had to restart them. Now with the Sol-Ark 15K running the while house including a 5 ton heat pump, I have had nothing but peace of mind. The customer support is top notch and they have moved their monitoring servers to the U.S.

    • @RockyBroadSolarLLC
      @RockyBroadSolarLLC  6 месяцев назад

      I hear you 100%. Having reliable tech support is worth it's weight in gold. Thanks for watching!

    • @houstonstarbuck
      @houstonstarbuck 5 месяцев назад

      Can you discuss how the gen and ac coupling work. When I called signature solar their tech support was both unable to answer the question and then when he tried he got it wrong.

    • @Dreadlk
      @Dreadlk День назад

      People never realize this until they have an issue and then they have to deal with the Circus that is Signature Solar / EG4.

  • @Sol-Ark
    @Sol-Ark 6 месяцев назад +15

    Great comparison. I would also pay attention to amperage.
    Sol-Ark MPPTs are full sized, not irregular amperage. This means greater design flexibility on the roof and not pushing to the limit for those larger PV arrays. You could call that max PV size conservatively specified as that line item isn't part of the UL certification.
    The Sol-Ark battery charger is also more powerful, which makes a big difference when wanting to use the inverter at maximum 12kW capacity throughout its life.
    Finally, there are a few features that might be considered a tie on the whiteboard.
    The winner of the tie should be the company that innovated the feature, not the one that copied it.

    • @RockyBroadSolarLLC
      @RockyBroadSolarLLC  6 месяцев назад +2

      Thank you for the information and for watching the channel! I am flattered to have you commenting on my videos. I would love to do a deeper dive into more of your products in the future.

    • @tombrownca
      @tombrownca 2 месяца назад

      Lol, I was going to type that the person who wrote that must be a Sol-Ark employee, and lo and behold, look at the name! Ahahaha!
      If we always only stuck with the innovators, perhaps we’d all be driving Duesenbergs.
      Sol-Ark, or any company, needs to win at every stage of the innovation-price cycle. Good luck!

  • @jeffwilliams59
    @jeffwilliams59 4 месяца назад +2

    Thanks -- this was helpful! And I know it won't matter for most people...but for us...altitude plays a role. The EG4 isn't spec'd over 6,562 feet (may encounter arc jumps on pcb traces and EG4 won't warranty.) Sol-Ark is 10,000 feet. We're at 8,100.

    • @RockyBroadSolarLLC
      @RockyBroadSolarLLC  4 месяца назад +1

      @jeffwilliams59 - Great piece of information. That is pretty important for those up in high elevations. Thanks for watching!

    • @jemezname2259
      @jemezname2259 25 дней назад

      I haven't had any problems with the eg4 at 7800'.

    • @jeffwilliams59
      @jeffwilliams59 24 дня назад

      @@jemezname2259 That's great -- but just know that EG4 specifically posted they won't warranty their products installed at altitudes over their listed max of 2,000 meters....so they lost our business -- whether they work or not.

    • @MrSummitville
      @MrSummitville 2 дня назад

      ​@@jemezname2259 One unit proves nothing. You have not had an issue, yet.

  • @andrewyang1446
    @andrewyang1446 6 месяцев назад +4

    Also, doesn’t Solark have an EMP-hardened inverter, too?

    • @RockyBroadSolarLLC
      @RockyBroadSolarLLC  6 месяцев назад +1

      @andrewyang1446 They sure do. I cover it in my original video ruclips.net/video/1ZVwVkV19N8/видео.html

    • @andrewyang1446
      @andrewyang1446 6 месяцев назад

      @@RockyBroadSolarLLC Thank you!

  • @WattsMiner
    @WattsMiner 4 месяца назад +1

    Just finished a duel 18kpv system with a very clever propane generator setup and over 900ah battery bank and 7kw solar(so far). Very awesome 👌

    • @RockyBroadSolarLLC
      @RockyBroadSolarLLC  2 месяца назад

      That sounds very awesome. I am jealous. Thanks for watching the channel.

  • @MatthewYBarbo
    @MatthewYBarbo 6 месяцев назад

    Thank you for breaking down the comparisons between these two units. I personally think this is great information for anyone who's been debating or battling the decision to make between these two units. Keep up the great content!

  • @rlyman111
    @rlyman111 7 месяцев назад +2

    Thanks for clearing up the misinformation.

  • @hasslefree3527
    @hasslefree3527 6 месяцев назад

    MAJOR PLUS for EG4 is that in can be installed right on top of the cable trough, because it does not have a requirement for any space at the bottom like the 6" for the Ark-Sol.

    • @RockyBroadSolarLLC
      @RockyBroadSolarLLC  6 месяцев назад +1

      Good call out. I always thought the trough could have been made to look a little more sleek, but it sure does make things easy! Thanks for watching!

  • @stevenfrazier8939
    @stevenfrazier8939 6 месяцев назад +2

    It would be good to look into the leg imbalance on the Sol-Ark. I know the EG4 can do 8,000 watts on one leg. and can hold 14 kilowatts for 10 minutes

    • @niktak1114
      @niktak1114 6 месяцев назад

      The max off-grid output of a single leg is around 7.8-7.9kW for the 15k (unless they updated it in a firmware update recently)

    • @RockyBroadSolarLLC
      @RockyBroadSolarLLC  6 месяцев назад

      Looks like @niktak1114 has you covered. Thanks for watching!

  • @dancampbell167
    @dancampbell167 24 дня назад

    Just a note, and I'm sure nearly everyone is aware of this, the EG4 is a re-branded LuxPower unit. LuxPower has been around almost as long as Sol-Ark, so any worries about company viability are really negated. I think most people will be very happy with either model. Both are very good products with great support.

    • @RockyBroadSolarLLC
      @RockyBroadSolarLLC  23 дня назад

      Agreed. Thanks for watching the channel.

    • @Dreadlk
      @Dreadlk 10 дней назад

      Luxpower just recently started to make a Hybrid inverter.
      They are just learning and it shows by the constant software updates to fix never ending bugs.

    • @noutilitybill
      @noutilitybill 2 дня назад

      Deye which manufactures SolArk started making inverters in 2007 and actually opened its business in 2000.By the time SolARK started business Deye had a well established name for manufacturing high quality inverters which is why SolArk started buying from them.

  • @Tobias-uf2oj
    @Tobias-uf2oj 2 дня назад

    Thanks for the video.
    I don't think the numbers on max usable PV for the Sol Ark 15K are correct.
    I regularly hit 17.9 kW with 15-16 kW going out to the grid and the balance being used to charge the battery. Happy to share more if helpful.

    • @RockyBroadSolarLLC
      @RockyBroadSolarLLC  2 дня назад +1

      Thank you for the feedback Tobias. I am really just going by the datasheets available and I don't personally have first hand experience with this inverter. Please do share more if I am missing something or incorrect. Thanks for watching the channel.

    • @Tobias-uf2oj
      @Tobias-uf2oj 2 дня назад

      @RockyBroadSolarLLC Thanks for the quick reply. From where are you getting the max usable PV number?
      I believe it should be the same as the max PV allowed. There 3 MPP trackers 6500 watts each which equals 19500 watts. That is also consistent with my observations during real use.
      Hope that helps.

  • @niktak1114
    @niktak1114 6 месяцев назад +1

    Unfortunately this data is still incorrect. The max usable PV of the 15k is 18kW (with batteries). Without batteries it's only 15kW like your whiteboard shows. The maximum continuous inverter output without PV is also not a fixed 12kW. The maximum DC discharge rate is 275A and the output is based on that. So lets say the batteries are currently at 52V, after inverter losses it'll be able to output around 13.5kW. The 18kPV has a 250A max battery discharge rate so the maximum inverter output ends up being around 9-10% less than the 15k at a given battery voltage.

    • @RockyBroadSolarLLC
      @RockyBroadSolarLLC  6 месяцев назад +1

      Well thanks for the info and for watching the video!

  • @kevcok8384
    @kevcok8384 2 месяца назад

    I have the Sol-Ark 12k on one house for about 3 years. After the 2nd year I started getting random drop outs for about 1/2 second, about 3 times a day, with no alarms. Could not correlate it to anything, always occurred while running under steady state conditions. Sol-Ark techs tried to help me, but in the end there was no solution, and now it is something I have to live with. The most annoying part of it is I lose my internet connection every time it happens and have to wait 2 minutes for the router to reboot. Sure I can by a UPS for the router, but the uninterrupted feature when the Sol-Ark was working properly was one of the reasons I chose it. Because of that, and other reasons, I am now installing a EG4-18k on a 2nd house.

    • @RockyBroadSolarLLC
      @RockyBroadSolarLLC  2 месяца назад

      Thanks for the feedback. It seems like there is a mixed bag of people that have positive and negative experiences with both products.

    • @kevcok8384
      @kevcok8384 2 месяца назад

      @@RockyBroadSolarLLC That's true, both great products. I just happened to run into an unsolvable glitch, so I thought I would give EG4 a try

  • @worthmor5146
    @worthmor5146 7 месяцев назад +4

    EG4 is made by Luxpower. They have been in business since 2017.

    • @RockyBroadSolarLLC
      @RockyBroadSolarLLC  6 месяцев назад +5

      Absolutely agree, but EG4 has not been around that long. If something goes wrong with your equipment, you aren't going to be calling Luxpower, you will be dealing with EG4. Thanks for watching!

    • @pvbatts
      @pvbatts 6 месяцев назад +1

      Luxpower isn't even a manufacturer. Only a Chinese R+D firm according to their head of Americas Eddie.

  • @bobbycalabrese831
    @bobbycalabrese831 4 месяца назад

    Good overview and thanks for correcting previous information, it takes a big man to do that!
    I'm in the middle of choosing between these two and the Schneider Electric's XW Pro. I see in their spec sheets and your white board that both of these units can handle 12,000 continuous watts (battery only, no PV) L-L @ 240V. I have seen or heard somewhere, but I can’t find it write anywhere that the EG4 18kPV can handle 8,000 continuous watts (battery only, no PV) L-N @ 120V either Leg as long as the combined is not more than 12K. Can you confirm this and site a written source? Also, I’ve asked Sol-Ark the same question but they will not answer the question. Do you know these specs for the Sol-Ark 15k?
    If not, can you point me to someone or place who can answer this seeming easy question to answer.

    • @RockyBroadSolarLLC
      @RockyBroadSolarLLC  4 месяца назад

      Hi @bobbycalabrese831 I believe you hit the nail on the head here. The EG4 18KPV has 12,000 watts of continuous output power which equates to 50A at 240 volts. The datasheet states "max continuous line wattage" of 8,000 watts. So this means if your legs are imbalanced significantly with 120 volt circuits, You could hypothetically pull up to 66A on one leg as long as the total across both legs did not exceed 12,000 watts. Thanks for watching!

  • @macbeliever
    @macbeliever 6 месяцев назад

    I have a question about the 200 amp bypass for the grid connection for these inverters. With grid on, and the loads are exceeding the inverter output capacity, will the grid assist in powering the loads to prevent an inverter over current shutdown situation? TIA!

    • @RockyBroadSolarLLC
      @RockyBroadSolarLLC  6 месяцев назад +1

      Absolutely. With the grid connected, any consumption in the home that is not provided by the solar or batteries will draw from the grid, through that 200A bypass. Only when there is a utility outage or when the home is off-grid will it be limited by the PV/battery output power. Thanks for watching!

    • @Sol-Ark
      @Sol-Ark 5 месяцев назад

      @@RockyBroadSolarLLC In fact Sol-Ark is responsible for bringing this internal grid pass through feature to market (which eliminates the need for an AC combiner panel). Per their head of Americas, Luxpower is a Chinese R+D company (not a manufacturer). They sure did help themselves to our innovative design but even Tesla is following Sol-Ark into transformerless hybrid inverters. Regardless, Sol-Ark has the most field experience with transformerless hybrids in the USA market, including offgrid.

  • @newtloken7884
    @newtloken7884 6 месяцев назад

    Nice overview and thanks for correcting previous info. That's a righteous thing otherwise, bad info piles up.. Hey, so one thing I'm always interested in is where the company is based and also where it's manufactured. I know, I can look it up but I think it's important in a side by side comparison. And besides employing my 'neighbors', it also may have warranty implications. I always prefer to buy American, except for an occasional Honda motorcycle... Thanks for your efforts! N

    • @RockyBroadSolarLLC
      @RockyBroadSolarLLC  5 месяцев назад

      I am pretty sure that both inverters are manufactured in China, although both Sol-Ark and EG4 are U.S. based companies with R&D/tech support in the United States. Thanks for watching!

  • @glennmcgurrin8397
    @glennmcgurrin8397 5 месяцев назад

    Do you have a source for the 20,400 watt peak for the 18kpv, I can't find a source for that and having an official source for that would make permits much easier for a project I'm working on.

    • @RockyBroadSolarLLC
      @RockyBroadSolarLLC  5 месяцев назад

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      Hi @Glennmcgurrin8397. I received this information via email response when reaching out to EG4 tech support before I created my initial video. I was also not able to find it on the datasheet, which was concerning. Every other inverter manufacturer that I am aware of lists the peak output power in 10 sec intervals on the datasheet other than EG4.

  • @worthmor
    @worthmor 6 месяцев назад

    True, hopefully they will be around for a long time. They seem to have lots of sales.

    • @RockyBroadSolarLLC
      @RockyBroadSolarLLC  6 месяцев назад

      We can keep our fingers crossed. Thanks for watching!

  • @sandras7451
    @sandras7451 4 месяца назад

    Can you use battery banks of 12.8V 280ah Eco-worthy batteries with the EG4?

    • @RockyBroadSolarLLC
      @RockyBroadSolarLLC  2 месяца назад

      I don't know why you couldn't wire 4 up in parallel to get a 48A volt battery bank. They likely would not have closed loop communications with the EG4 inverter. I would personally just try to save the trouble and get a 48V battery. Thanks for watching.

  • @kimnach
    @kimnach 3 месяца назад

    While I am in the beginning stages, I am impressed with the xxKpv line of inverters from EG4. However, I wish they would introduce a 6Kpv inverter, which would be sealed and have a 10yr warranty like the 12Kpv and 18Kpv instead of the 5yrs for the 6000XP. Why 6Kpv? I would rather have fault tolerance by using three 6Kpv instead of a 0-fault tolerant inverter system as with a single 15K or 18K model. Each 6K would have equal battery and PV allocated to them. If one were to fail--especially in the middle of harsh winters in NE OH, we could limp along at roughly 66% kWatt capacity (and could re-allocate the storage and PV to the operational converters until a later date.

    • @RockyBroadSolarLLC
      @RockyBroadSolarLLC  2 месяца назад

      I hear you on that one. That is why many people like the Enphase 5P system, due to the redundancy and lack of central failure point, but all of that equipment and balance of system components sure do add up quick. Thanks for watching.

  • @aaronrunkle
    @aaronrunkle 6 месяцев назад

    Respect. Thanks for clearing this up for us!

  • @GILBERTVILORIA-hf3oe
    @GILBERTVILORIA-hf3oe 6 месяцев назад

    Luxpower Company have been in business since 2017. 18kpv max peak power is 24kw. max continues power output with solar (18kw) 12kw ac output plus 6kw charging power of the battery.

    • @RockyBroadSolarLLC
      @RockyBroadSolarLLC  6 месяцев назад +1

      Hi @GILBERTVILORIA-hf3oe thanks for watching the channel. The 20,400 watt "peak output power (10 sec)" is not listed on the datasheet. For some reason EG4 lists their peak output power in minutes, which is not the industry standard. The "max continuous power" only refers to the AC ouput, which is 12,000 watts only. I believe you are referring to the "Max Utilized Solar Power" when combining the AC and DC power together. It is really difficult trying to compare apples to apples in these videos when none of the manufacturers use the same specs. I wish there was just one standard for the entire industry!

  • @MoleffSports
    @MoleffSports 5 месяцев назад

    I'm glad Sol-Ark has dropped the made in USA advertising. Also, I've seen too many vids of the Sol-Ark inverter being underpowered. I do like Will Prowse (sp) recent video of the EG4 12k showing the inverter able to start 4 compressors and a car lift without tripping the inverter. I'd love to see if the Sol-Ark 15k can do that. Also, pricing is a huge deal. Lastly, the ferrite filters they add to the panels as an EMP protectant I would have a hard time relying on. I would go with EMP Shield's products, it's much less expensive that paying to EMP hardening the Sol-Ark inverter and you can get all the proper protection for less cost, ie protection from the grid, the solar array and the battery.

    • @RockyBroadSolarLLC
      @RockyBroadSolarLLC  5 месяцев назад

      All great points. Sometime in the future I hope to be conducting more hands on videos with actual equipment, but it doesn't come cheap. Thanks for watching!

  • @MrRentgould
    @MrRentgould 4 месяца назад

    Thanks , love the pointer

  • @bill2292
    @bill2292 6 месяцев назад

    Good video, you know your stuff. Please put down the pointer when you talk bro!

  • @Mike-01234
    @Mike-01234 4 месяца назад +1

    All these inverters are made in China Sol-ark is made by Deye started in business in 2007 Luxpower is the manufacture of EG4 18kpv they started in 2017. US companies like Sol-Ark and EG4 slap a name on it and handle the US support. If you go to Deye's website see bunch of inverters that look like Sol-Ark have Deye name on it. The real savings is the battery EG-4 power pro and the EG4-18kpv have the UL9540A ESS certification at a far lower price then any of the competition. Now that many AHJ's are requiring 9540A prices of batteries were sent in the wrong direction shame that regulators continue to play these games for the utilities to keep solar expensive.

    • @RockyBroadSolarLLC
      @RockyBroadSolarLLC  4 месяца назад

      Thanks for the input @Mike-01234. I know about the rebranding process, but at least we have someone to call for US support if and when the need arises. Yes, especially out in California that UL9540A is a must have to pass inspections. The code requirements out there in places such as LA County are outrageous. The utility monopolies are not going down without a fight, that is for sure, but the day is coming quicker than most think. Thanks for watching the channel and for the comments!

    • @SolarTechFan
      @SolarTechFan Месяц назад

      The Sol-Ark/Deye relationship is different than other brands. Sol-Ark has years of co-development with Deye. Both companies have benefited from that relationship.

  • @surfcow
    @surfcow 6 месяцев назад

    Thank you. Well done.

  • @johnmiggins9431
    @johnmiggins9431 5 месяцев назад

    wholesale sol-ark cost $5500

    • @RockyBroadSolarLLC
      @RockyBroadSolarLLC  5 месяцев назад

      Good to know. I just based the price comparison on the standard pricing found online. Thanks for watching the channel!

  • @JerHAMM
    @JerHAMM 4 месяца назад

    If there’s one thing I can’t stand more than anything else 😂
    With a white board behind you😂😂😂😂😂
    Can’t make that shit up😂

  • @robertplas3947
    @robertplas3947 6 месяцев назад +4

    Gotta tell you that this video is pretty much a waste of time. A bunch of numbers written on a white board. Then a price comparison. Absolutely of no value to a site that wants to set up a battery backed grid tied hybrid system. But you keep click fishing.

    • @RockyBroadSolarLLC
      @RockyBroadSolarLLC  6 месяцев назад +1

      Well thanks anyways for the comment. It really helps the algorithm!

    • @robertplas3947
      @robertplas3947 6 месяцев назад

      @@RockyBroadSolarLLC Well, I gave your video a chance, watched it, determined it was a waste of time with no technical value and chose not to subscribe to your channel. That should be your real concern, you are making poorly crafted videos. Step it up man!

    • @uticatechclub923
      @uticatechclub923 4 месяца назад +3

      @@robertplas3947Could you please share the video which you have made? Thank you!

    • @robertplas3947
      @robertplas3947 4 месяца назад

      @@uticatechclub923 Sorry, mine are commercial paid use only. Why is Rocky Broad so sensitive when someone tries to tell him to up his game? Or is he like a child that wants a "participation" trophy?

  • @aerojet393
    @aerojet393 6 месяцев назад

    Okay , these are the comparisons numbers for now , could change!

  • @bearupfarm1818
    @bearupfarm1818 6 месяцев назад +2

    Sol Ark hay a better tech support. EG4 has a terrible tech support. I have experienced this.

  • @timrauscher3965
    @timrauscher3965 22 дня назад

    I appreciate a man who can do what you have to set things straight. I've purchased the EG4, which will arrive tomorrow and based on what you brought to my attention I will stay with it. Thanks for the video.

    • @RockyBroadSolarLLC
      @RockyBroadSolarLLC  19 дней назад

      Glad you found the video helpful and thanks for watching!

  • @timrauscher3965
    @timrauscher3965 22 дня назад

    I appreciate a man who can do what you have to set things straight. I've purchased the EG4, which will arrive tomorrow and based on what you brought to my attention I will stay with it. Thanks for the video.

    • @RockyBroadSolarLLC
      @RockyBroadSolarLLC  19 дней назад

      Glad you found the video helpful and thanks for watching!