Chris Claremont & Jim Lee ‘91 X-Men #1 - Mutant Genesis 2.0 Event Legacy | Krakin' Krakoa
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2021
- In 1991, Chris Claremont’s 16 year tenure as the Head of X, officially came to a close, as he co-plotted the biggest X-Men relaunch in history on X-Men #1 with Jim Lee. Not only is X-Men #1 the best selling Marvel comic book of all time, but it’s also the kickoff to a three issue event-sized story that shapes so much of the decade in X-Men comics to come, and remains remarkably relevant to this day.
Today I'll Answer:
+ Why was X-Men #1 such a massive moment in Marvel history?
+ What does mutant genesis mean for Magneto and 90’s X-Men?
+ What’s the relevance of 91’s X-Men #1 to #3 in today’s comics, especially on characters like Professor X, Magneto, and Moira MacTaggart?
+ Theories and Predictions for what’s to come!
Spoilers for discussed comics may follow!
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This Era of Jim Lee art is my absolute favorite comic book art style of all time.
I ❤ Silvestri's run on X better. 😊✌❤😎
This and Batman Hush
Those were great times in Comics!
Jim Lee at the height of his awesome powers. Simply beautiful.
As an 1q year old obsessed w wolverine jim Lee made all of the men look super cool. Cyclops, beast, storm and gambit all looked so badazz. And psylocke w her ninja /hand style. So sick
11 year old
Chris Claremont & Jim Lee (among others from that era) are why I read the X-men. It was by far the greatest era of X Men story telling. I grew up reading my Dad's collection and tried to continue reading the X-Men to add to the "tradition" of collecting comics, but just stopped enjoying it and quit. Newer writers pissed on continuity, changed character's personalities, were very inconsistent with the storylines, just basically suck lol! It's sad, it once was so good, but I'll treasure the comics that I inherited from my Dad. I'm off American Comics altogether and read Manga now.
I’m curious if you dropped off in the 90’s, 00’s or 10’s? I started reading in the 90’s because of the animated series (big surprise lol). The “Fatal Attractions” storyline is where I officially jumped on, but those grab bags at the CVS that included all those 2099 books had “X-Men Classic” in there as well. The attempt to piece everything together from Colossus getting his ass whooped by Juggernaut in that bar, to Rachel and Magma sneaking into the Hellfire Club to kill Selene was a joy. I finally got my hands on those trade paperbacks that covered everything from Giant Size on up to the Muir Island Saga (Shadow King). While I enjoy that era the most, I mostly stayed on with the current runs up to the beginning of the “Bring the OG 5’, teen X-Men to the present for reasons” era in 2015. I’ve been off the books since then and mostly avoided them due to the news of Marvel trying to replace them with the Inhumans and sabotaging the stories for it. I’m trying to talk myself into finally reading HoX/PoX, but everything I hear just turns me off about Hickman’s run. I’ve endured fricking Onslaught and Morrison’s run, but I guess I’m too old for this shit. Lol. My bad for the rant. Just a little pissed that they continually disregard the classic era for stupid retcons because they’ve run out of ideas.
@@trealsteve Well, I read my Dad's collection from the mid 70's (no I don't nave the Giant X-Men issue, wish I did lol) through the 80's & 90's.I was a 90's kid and loved the Animated Series too. I dropped off in the 2000's. Honestly, I really beyond hated The New X-Men by Grant Morrison, who I find is a great writer but never should have been writing for the X-Men! That's when the character's personalities changed completely. I still read it on occasion in the 2000's hoping it would return to it's former glory, but stopped reading it completely by the 10's. Nothing beats the Classic X-Men, I was a kid when reading them and hated the issues that were geared toward my generation, they just weren't in the same caliber as the Wein, Claremont and Lee stories. Retcons have ruined the legacy imo.
@@lillydee5978 Tru. I think my last favorite storyline (guilty pleasure) was the “Magneto War” in the late 90’s. I was a sucker for Alan Davis’ art and anything involving Magneto (#2 favorite comics character ever second only to Batman). Second to that is “Operation Zero Tolerance”. I enjoyed the X-Men enduring the fallout of Onslaught (cringe lol) and getting stripped of all their Shi’Ar tech, including the Forge model of the Blackbird. Some interesting stuff was done with that era, but most importantly it allowed the return of Kurt, Kitty and Peter to the team. Of course, it was a shameless nostalgia trip, but the dissolving of the unnecessary ancillary teams and refocus on Xavier’s dream was a good thing. Uncanny X-Force was probably the last thing I found interesting until they clearly ran out of ideas and threw the Age of Apocalypse in there. Lol. For me, the X-Men comics ended with issue #500 of UXM. Everything after that is character assassination on the level of making Scott a dead beat dad/husband in the 80’s, Xavier hiding the secret “death” of the third Summers brother, and having Magneto/Xorn attempt to genocide NYC because of drugs. 🤣
@@lillydee5978 Shout out to your Dad keeping that comic collection in tact for you to enjoy. My Dad never kept a collection, but I got that issue of UXM from my grandfathers house (probably my Uncle’s) that had Logan and Rachel linked psionically and him attempting to stop her from killing Selene. Iconic cover drawn by John Romita Jr. with Wolverine slashing the page downward. Thinking about it now, I need a T-Shirt of that cover. Lol.
It became overwrought with politics. Heavy handed and lame
Jim Lee is great on X-Men. I've read all the Claremont/Lee stuff, it's great. hate that it didn't last, instead imploded
One of Marvel’s many blunders. It all started when they brought back Jean Grey the first time. No respect for the man (Claremont) that took a book from literal cancellation and obscurity to the #1 comic book series in the 80’s.
"What matters is the attempt" sounded so romantic and noble when I was a kid, but looking back... it was naive af. The protection and survival of a people needs a little more than optimism and moral high ground.
Which is why Dawn of X was so refreshing for adult me.
I don't think it was naive. Maybe it's the noble romantic in me, but I keep hoping that the Hickman run will ultimately result in the X-Men returning to Xavier's dream of peaceful coexistence between humans and mutants. It's the moral foundation upon which they were formed. There is no guarantee of survival, but ultimately, I think it is the attempt that matters.
@@h0lezee To whom would the attempt matter, if those who attempted are all dead?
After the near extermination of all mutants particularly with the Genoshan massacre (Xavier’s sister) and Decimation Day (Magneto’s daughter), a new way had to be reached than Xavier’s dream
@@h0lezee Facts. Supremacy and separatist ideology is a death knell for anyone especially the Mutants.
IMHO, Except for the "Death of Moira" (justified by the test of a Shiar golem, but still kind of hard to retcon smoothly) Hickman 's retcon(s) hold(s) very well and it's a joy to re-read all the X-Men history and main events.
Not only does it give a new perspective on the rich past of this part of the Marvel Universe, but it also gives a purpose to most past stories (and some needed it !) as if they were all meant to converge in the Hickman Era !
Hox/Pox of X could already be seen as both an entry point, but also as a very satisfying ending to a licence which is supposed to never end.
But it seems that the Hickman era has the ambition to really unify all the X-Men history, built on it, leave no stone unturned (Nanny, Orphan Maker, Sinister, Exodus, Children of the vault, Destiny's death and so many other plots and sub-plots !)and very probably give a very satisfying ending to the whole mutant saga.
Yes, Hickman (and his team) will put the toys back in the box for the next writers, but oh boy, will it be hard for them to come up with something as interesting or ambitous as his masterplan !
Making Moira a secret Mutant is cheap. The evidence of Xavier’s dream was clearly evident by her association with him and the X-Men. That’s like bringing Uncle Ben back and retconning him as the original Spider-Man. There used to be rules to this shit. 🤣
@@trealsteve I mean it's not WHAT you do. It's HOW you do with what you got. Hickman did the best X Men storyline ever, and it's never ever done before, it's fresh, epic and it feels like a classic already.
@@LuqqApple Sir...
I know you did not just CAP like that. 🤣
Best storyline ever, bro?!
You must be like 17 or something. 🤣
Have you even read any X-Men beyond Grant Morrison’s highly mediocre run in the 2000’s?
I’m not even gonna be obvious throw out the Phoenix or Dark Phoenix Sagas. But, my suggestion is to go back and read everything from “Days of Future Past” to “X-Tinction Agenda” and really come to a sound conclusion. That’s ten years of storylines from the greatest X-Men writer of all time, Chris ‘frickin’ Claremont. His weakest storyline during his original run (Shadow King/Muir Island Saga) is better than Hickman’s entire run. Facts. Why do you think Hickman is borrowing all of his story beats from everything Claremont has done? 🤣
@@trealsteve I just started using Marvel Unlimited to read the entire X-Men title to my son starting at issue 94 and there are so many powerful moments in the Phoenix saga. When Jean fixed the M’kraan crystal I legit cried. The frustration of Jean thinking the X-Men are dead, and to think at the time it was taking years to see things play out, I can’t imagine what the suspense was like at that time. I haven’t even gotten to the Dark Phoenix portion yet.
@@politicaltroll8920 🙌🏾
For anyone interested in Claremont’s potential as Head of X, I wrote a little fanfic/alternate history on reddit based on teases for future and potential stories from Claremont’s interviews, it’s called ‘Claremont Reached UXM300: An Alternate History’
Bruh!!! Him as head of the X-Office would make X-Men the #1 comic book in the industry for years on end.
Holy moly! Did you get this from a RUclips video I just referenced like two minutes ago?? Or did you post the video?? I've never been able to find it again...😊✌❤😎
I love the whole "Jim Lee X-Men" era because of the artwork, stories, & it was the time that I got heavily into comics. I like how Moira's the focal point of another storyline, only this time she's been retconned into a "secret mutant". With all the talks of genetic manipulation, I'm surprised Moira doesn't have a "backend" deal w/ Mr. Sinister. She should supply him w/ Summers & Grey DNA (which should be stated has a 90% chance of producing Omega Level mutants, when mixed) & he should give Moira her 9th life's "Apocalypse form" mixed w/ DNA from others (effectively making her a powerful "Chimera" mutant that could rival the combined might of Apocalypse, Magneto, & Xavier).
I'm still wondering where Omega, Slipstream, Thunderbird (Neal), and so many other mutants are.
Neal was just in X-Corp last week.
Making Moira a Mutant was cheap. She was way more interesting as a human that was instrumental in the X-Men’s mission of peace.
@@trealsteve Nah. We've already had too many "mutant ally women" who really don't amount to much, in terms of "the bigger picture" of their stories. No one cares about the likes of say: Candy Southern, Stevie Hunter, or Val Cooper. Outside of her "love interests" (w/ Xavier & Banshee), her son (Proteus), or the mutants she's "experimented on" (like Magneto), Moira's never really added much to the story. Even as a "geneticist", she's not needed, especially since she paled in comparison to the likes of: Sinister, Beast, Dark Beast, Apocalypse, or even Sugarman.
Even if her powers "aren't very cinematic", Moira's far more interesting as a mutant.
With her powers alone, it could be argued that Moira's been "fighting for her dream" longer than Xavier & Magneto combined. Plus I like the dynamic of Moira, Xavier, & Magneto, who have similar goals, but drastically different tactics. I've always thought Emma would be the "middle ground" character between the "extremes" of Xavier & Mag's philosophies, but it now looks like Moira X might be taking that spot.
@@MoCa1979Jr It's not true that Stevie Hunter or Moira don't amount to much. For one thing, Moira was instrumental in finding a cure for the Legacy Virus. Stevie Hunter had a significant impact on Kate Pryde's formative years and thanks to her experience with the X-Men became a politician advocating equal rights for mutants. That she's not being used in this era is more due to a failure in the vision of the current X-office rather than the character's lack of value. If Moira were still human she could be playing a significant role in helping Krakoa ingratiate themselves with the scientific community for mutual benefit, but no one at the X-office has the vision to understand how that could add to the current story.
I concor with a lot of the comments here,Jim Lee's pencils were AWESOME on these issues!!! I thought his X-Men art is superior to the stuff he did on WILDCATS.There are at least 4 or 5 pin-ups in X-Men #1,correct me if I'm wrong.
Facts. And I want all of those T-Shirts and hoodies they sell with his artwork on them. Especially the poster with all the teams. 🔥
The drawn characters are all attractive. The storyline are solid. Colors, inking, lettering.. the artists put the right artwork and what we want. The clothing that some characters wore made the characters very physically attractive
No piece of art placed on a wall excited me as much as the art in this book. The posters placed in the back offered even more excitement...Gambit, can catch bullets! Lol.
Dude! I have an X-Men T-shirt that I bought two sizes too small for myself years ago with Jim Lee’s “Blue Team” artwork (I think it’s the “Shattershot Annual” with them charging towards you lol). I’m never giving that away. Ever. It’s a national treasure. 🤣
First time here. And wow 😱. Now its definitely time for a reread on those. That period of Lee & Claremont is DEFINITELY Golden Age for many of us. Including myself. Great work with the HOX, POX connections.
My favorite version of the X-men, this and the animated series made me an X-men Mark 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
While this was an excellent video, acknowledging, as you said, the remarkable run of the god, the legend, the visionary Chris Claremont, it would've been even more excellent if you'd also acknowledged one of the most important things that separate his fantastic writing from virtually anyone that's come after (especially Hickman). That's Claremont's thorough understanding of the skills and abilities of each X-character and how they can be combined in creative, engaging yet logical, and well-thought-out ways. Claremont showcased that in this story with one of the most impressive superpowered teamwork feats in the history of the franchise: The Gold Team's successful infiltration of Asteroid M.
The planning and execution of that feat were unforgettable. First Storm carries the strike team in a non-ferrous, light-bending X-Glider invented by Forge, undetectable by either Asteroid M's sensors, Magneto's powers, or even the naked eye, to the edge of the atmosphere. Then Jean stretches her telekinetic powers to the limit firing a psionic "grappling hook" and pulling the glider the rest of the way-what must have tens of miles, maybe even hundreds of miles-to silently dock with the asteroid. It stands as perhaps the most perfect hallmark to the X-Men's singular mastery of meticulous, strategic, tactical planning and superpowered teamwork ever imagined. If only the writers and fans alike of today could fully grasp the multitude of eternal lessons contained in this example, but alas...
Have you noticed the correlation between Omega level mutants and poor mental health? Legion, Vulcan, Proteus, Jean, Jamie, arguably Magneto... I think it's worth looking at. I mean, engineering Omegas could be a double edged sword.
Xavier lucked out with Storm and Iceman then.
That's an interesting point
@Monolith _X Apparently not considering recent times. The retcon alone with his “denial” is evident of some mental instability.
@@coreybell2223 Storm has to keep her emotions in check. Otherwise, a global monsoon happens. That’s why she lived in the attic and had Jean as her best friend. Isolation during that time of the month and a telepath that knows what not to do or say prevents world disasters. 🤣
You continue to make incredible content. Thanks so much!
Jim Lee was the best artist for X-Men! Awesome work!
If Xavier and magneto knew about Moira early in why do you think Magneto had asteroid M? Was he just being impatient? I’m still questioning the continuity of the retcon and I feel like the XMen we all know is a different Moira lifetime
The retcon doesn’t hold up. Wasn’t thought through apparently. Just like the majority of Morrison’s run. 🤣
Jamie Braddock, Kevin McTaggart and Franklin Richards all omega level reality manipulators. What is the difference between quantum, psionic and universal?
Thx great info
I really didn't understood why Magneto was lounging around Asteroid M wearing a white robe and showing his hairy chest.
vids are great
It sounds like there is some backstory for Magneto. Before reading this run what comics should I start at to see Magneto's growth? Uncanny X-men.... Any particular issue onwards?
Look at all that dialog. For good or ill you don't see that anymore
And what was even more important is how much better the dialogue was back then compared to now.
Back in the day, writers got paid per word. So the more words you wrote, the more you got paid. 😉✌❤😎
@@DragonReborn3769 They need to do that again then. Because today’s writers couldn’t get the coffee order right for Claremont let alone touch anything during his first X-Men run. Hilarious enough, that’s how Claremont started and even then he was pitching ideas that stuck during the Silver Age X-Men run.
@@trealsteve A few years ago I came across a RUclips video that discussed all the dangling plot lines CSC left plus the ideas he pitched before leaving...such a shame considering how 90's X-Men went...✌❤😎
@@DragonReborn3769 Well, they used Wolverine losing his Adamantium and getting turned into a mindless assassin against his teammates. Too bad we didn’t get the Mutant Wars idea. The X-Men vs the Hellfire Club, vs Magneto/Brotherhood/Acolytes vs The Reavers would’ve been epic. Then again, they technically used that idea as well for Messiah Complex with The X-Men vs The Marauders vs Purifiers.
Does anyone ever wonder if the X-desk watches these videos and reads the comments and says things like, "Oh damn they figured it out" or "nup that's wrong" or even "Hey that's a good Idea let's do that"
Like it's all a game to them
I think that would be far too considerate from the current x-editors!
Ne. If they were reading these comments and if the feedback had any influence on their decisions, we would have had much better execution of Hickman's vision post HoXPoX. 😉✌❤😎
It’s the Internet. This is where they get all of their ideas (good or bad) now.
@@MichaelBoogerd 🤣
in the last issue of New Mutants, Farouk says that he feels very little of the Shadow King. What if professor X has "teamed up" with the Shadow King to help control all of the mutants on Krakoa.
All the callbacks this storyline makes has me constantly digging into older storylines. It\s a pretty good advertisement for back issues.
I loved this relaunch at the time, mostly because I didn't understand what it all meant. Now I read it and I'm struck at how unlike Claremont it truly is. I think there's only 3 or 4 pages of actual quiet moments. Otherwise, it's a straight up action fest. It's a bit jarring compared to what came before.
I'm not saying it's bad. Jim Lee is at the top of his game, Claremont gives all the action gravitas and it comes to a satisfying conclusion. A lot of people prefer their comics this way and that's great. I just wish Claremont had been able to do his planned story through Uncanny X-Men #300.
Question… what happens when Moira dies and another lifeline starts. Does time stop and reset to when she was born?
It starts a different reality
I’ve only read up to mutant massacre so far so I don’t understand the whole story about magneto in X-men #1. I skimmed through issue 1 but don’t really understand what’s going on. For some reason magneto changed.
Cypher died, the mutant massacre happened, the ***spoiler*** supposedly dying in Fall of the Mutants, Erik tried Charles' way but wanted to protect mutantdom.
I'm getting old. Why did Claremont leave xmen and what did he do since then?
Bob Harras, the editor at the time, had a very different take on the X-Men than Claremont did. Both Jim Lee and Bob Harras wanted the X-Men to go back to the school, under Professor Xavier, and fighting classic villains. Magneto included. Claremont had no interest in retreading that ground and wanted to move the X-Men forward into new stories. Since Jim Lee was extremely popular and Marvel felt the characters were more important than the creators, Harras decided to let Jim Lee plot the book and Claremont would be reduced to dialogue only. It was, apparently, Bob Harras' passive aggressive way of letting Claremont know that he wasn't wanted on the X-Men anymore. Claremont got the message and the rest is history. There are several accounts of this in the book "Marvel: The Untold Story" and the documentary, "Chris Claremont's X-Men".
The end of the true golden age of Xmen. It was like a decapitation.
Entry 52 is definitely about X-Men#1 to #3 !
While I can see Moira sleep with a man to create an omega mutant ("break the rules !"), I don't think that Xavier knew that Gabrielle Haller was selected by Moira.
Moira probably introduced both of them with the hope that they fall in love, or manipulated them, so that an Omega Level reality-altering baby happened.
13:45 : I don't believe one second that Xavier or anyone need to brainwash anybody into believing in Krakoa !
Magneto and Xavier do have the respect of both their allies and enemies. They are very sincere, charismatic and powerful mutant leaders, and were always forces to be reckoned with, no matter if your name is Apocalypse, Sinister, Stryfe, Mystique, Shaw, Exodus or whoever.
If you're a mutant invested in your own survival or the survival of your specie, when both realize that infighting is sterile, and decide to put their differences away to build a nation and invite you for a ride, you shut the f*ck up and you give it a try !
They’re brainwashing people. It’s clearly evident in everything about this run.
And then Claremont left because Bill Harras wanted to kiss Jim Lee's ass.
Things quickly went downhill when Lee changed Wolverine's costume back to that yellow and blue atrocity.
X-Men #3 was the end of my love for the mutants til Morrison too over in 2001
Jim Lee kind of ruined x men. And grant Morrison threw dirt on it for me
The X-Men became just another dumb superhero book after CSC left. What a tragedy. And the only good ideas the X office came up with were the ones CSC pitched before leaving, like Wolverine losing his adamantium in Fatal Attractions and becoming a sleeper agent of the hand in Enemy of the State. And all for what? For Jim Lee to up and leave to Image after 11 issues? What a waste. Bob Harras was/is a schmuck. ✌❤😎
It all started when Jean Grey was brought back for X-Factor. Bad decisions for the X-Office became an annual event since then.
@@trealsteve Ouch and so true!! I've read some of CSC X-Men when he returned and you could tell his best days were over. 😔✌❤😎