@@Hardwareunboxed intel shortages killed low end mid end hiight end every type of end on intel xD and if ryzen zen 2 comes out before 10th intel gen... rip intel completelly
@@Hardwareunboxed it's not only destroyed the low end but it's also destroying the i5 market . Here in India the prices of an i5 8400 gone up approximately 5000 INR (almost 65USD ) where ryzen is just getting down and down.
@@thaddeus2447 agreed in that it should have been unlocked out of the box. The results from the OC were infact VERY GOOD, but still not enough to make the 2200g irrelevant. Although it does potentially ruin AMDs ability to release faster 2core 4 thread athlons. For a quick cash in for possible the 70$ price bracket for example.
@@Hardwareunboxed if they do allow it though, the pentium will officially have been murdered from both sides. Besides the over clocking doesn't really ruin the value of the next AMD CPU in by her lineup, as the 4 cores of the 2200G still makes a bigger difference
@@Hardwareunboxed I'd assume other vendors would be releasing the same patch if this wasn't a mistake. It'd be nice if the other vendors also included it.
@@wile123456 Yes, the 2200G is still the best CPU/APU for the money. The 200GE is not strong enough, it's ment to be for a low power consuming Office-PC.
Athlon 200GE Single core is not that far from ryzen 3 1200, i guess if it was unlocked for every mobo it would make more sense to buy a 200GE and overclock it than buying a 1200
@@keyr324 Ryzen 3 1200 is still a true quad core. Still offers performance benefits especially on games that are more cpu dependent. Which still baffles me why AMD locked the 200GE? Well since MSI showed that you can overclock it, I doubt AMD would shut this down. They're already on a roll getting on everyone's good graces. It would be a mistake on their part to do this to consumers.
@@conyo985 I think they did it becouse, even if 1200 is a TRUE quad core the 45€ extra u pay for it (For some people) wont be worth if an overcloced 200GE can give u a similar performance
Like Max said, to upsell their better CPU's, but also most who are looking here are also inexperienced in OC'ing. So limiting choices, helps longevity of the product, by limiting the instances of mistakes
@2:00 Steve, why wouldn't AMD demand MSI take down their bioses, and MSI instead replace the file with a new iteration, making the current bioses unavailable? If this scenario is possible, should people be rushing to download the bios files now in case they're taken offline, imminently?
Cats out of the bag mate, there are mirror sites for this kind of stuff and people will just upload the files they already have for others to download.
It's also good PR for AMD. If they do this some times then their consumers feel like they'd just scored a big bonus etc. AMD is more about letting enthusiasts buy their stuff. Intel seems more about business. I'm currently running a i7-3930k but I've owned a 1090t and other amd and intel cpu's before. So I'm not a fan boy. Just something that seems rather obvious over the last 20 or so years.
even overclocked the 200GE is no match for the 2200G, now I wonder why did they lock it in the first place since their perfomance doesn't overlap with each other
A series don't sell because they are crap for OEMs, chipset lock is not what consumers want in the PC part market. AMD and MB manufacturers can shovel up their asses with that line of products.
I'm sure it's OK and manufacturers made well-built mobos, my point is that this line shouldn't exist at all. It's pure Intel-style artificial segmentation. If manufacturers do want to make cheap mobos with weak VRM only capable of handling non-OCed CPU (in fact, actual 4phases VRM can easily handle 150A so it's not even an excuse anymore), they just have to not allow it by removing options in UEFI setup. It should have been their business, not AMD's one. And since Asmedia chipsets are just I/O extenders, those AMD's SoCs could perfectly run in standalone. If earlier specs of the Zen arch were followed, low-end MB could have been simpler and even cheaper to produce.
I don't care if you're OK with your motherboard, good for you but it's your own business. What I say is that the principle of the A320 is just evil marketing since the CPU doesn't technically need a chipset at all as I explained and it forces overclockers to buy a chipset with additional I/O they won't use. If the job was done properly in respect of consumers all of the low-end AM4 motherboards would have been done differently, the optional chipset removed, resulting even lower prices or a better quality for the same targeted price. It wouldn't have badly changed the CPU selling numbers for AMD, quite the opposite actually.
@@lanceeilers5061 it can never be fixed now because people are going to mirror this BIOS version. The only possible way I see them doing something about it would be through Windows 10 throttling the chip and that would be too much work
Mistakes or not, AMD official in my country actually promoted it as one of 200GE features. lol They also said there will be update on other vendors as well, I hope so.
dwiddleD Indeed, one of the tricks is to have the camera pick up UV and use it to figure out where to automatically edit out dust from the visible image. A bit expensive though, as it requires millions of extra transistors in the camera sensor compared to purely postprocessing the RGB data.
@Hank Rantz Me neither. I just want something that will play any video I can throw at it, while providing 10/30 bit color support and a clean output. I've been having a hard time finding a Micro ATX AM4 board with a full set of audio jacks though.
@@owen-ng8oe Thanks for the link. I keep forgetting about that site. Since the APU's tend to scale well with bandwidth, I was hoping to stay at 3000 or 3200Mhz. I think 2933 is the native speed on the 2200G/2400G? Another challenge I've been having, is finding a good Micro-ATX B450 board with 5 or 6 audio jacks and a good codec like the ALC1220. I found a nice AsRock Mini-ITX board with everything I'm looking for, but it's a bit pricey and Newegg just sold out of it.
Of course it should be. These cores would sell for a lot more as a higher end SKU so selling them as a dual core is essentially losing AMD money. The only reason these things exist is because of faulty higher end products that gets turned into these. But there's only so many of those available. If the prices where too low and the performance too high they'd be unable to meet demands without starting to destroy processors that's perfectly fine to make these dual cores reducing their income instead of reducing their expenses as this thing is *suppose* to do. With the cores locked AMD can curtail the demand somewhat allowing them to make more profit. Also that leaves room for another product right above it in the product stack later if stocks of slightly better dual cores ends up building up at some point.
+@@PainterVierax If you mean unlocking the multiplyer then that's requires changes to the bios (provided that it's even possible with a given CPU, in this case it seems to be since the lock is software based) If you mean unlocking more cores then I'm not sure that is even possible on this part, depends on what is locking the cores in the first place, software or hardware.
I bought the msi b450m pro vdh, because you recommended the msi b450 tomahawk in an earlier video. And now to my suprise this vid comes out! :D So far I've been able to go 3.75ghz at 1.35 with the stock cooler.
Thanks for the info, I have a MSI B350M PRO-VDH motherboard and was going to get the Athlon 200ge and use it for a home built NAS. I'll try this out before I change it to the NAS as it won't need that much CPU. It should be fun, great video and information :-)
I am so happy about this. It went from a HTPC pc to a budget gamer overclocker. I hope they don't change it and or others follow. I'm going to side/upgrade my kids i5 2400 and have fun doing it. my sons i5 2500k tho i don't think its worth it. Even if i want to just to play lol
This is interesting. Previously, I understood that the 200GE was locked by AMD, not by UEFI. From your testing, it doesn't appear to compete with the 2200G, which is probably what AMD was concerned about when they locked it, so perhaps AMD could issue guidance allowing all vendors to unlock the 200GE. It would be a consumer-friendly move, and that's something to which AMD appears sensitive.
That's karma for you there. Why would AMD lock that chip? It's not like that would cannibalize the 2200G as it's much better to have 4 true cores in 2018....Just unlock the damn thing already.
@@TheOz1999 Their next line will definitely be on Zen 2, or at least that would make sense for them to do so...besides, I just don't like them deliberately crippling a CPU's potential instead of actually developing a better chip to sell for a premium price. They already kinda did it with the "X" versions of Ryzen CPUs: my 1600X may just be a factory overclocked 1600 but I got it at 4GHz with 1.26V...Maybe I was just lucky, or maybe the X series really are binned much better.
@@Hack3r91 in my opinion the PC market today is complete bullshit a lot like the video game Market it's just a cash grab no one actually gives a fuck about performance AMD and Nvidia as well as in tell if they really wanted to could make some amazing shit but they're not going to because they're to focus on making money
Limited supply is the main reason. Then has around a 98% yield, very few chips are defective enough to be worth turning into dual-cores. These are supposed to compete with the Pentium as the bare-bones budget processor, so they don't want enthusiasts snapping them up just to tinker with.It's The efficient yield is how they've been able to price Ryzen so competitively in the first place. They loss that and they lose the value proposition.
That's a really nice gain, if only the 200GE were unlocked by default I would consider it a much better option than I currently do, although in most cases, specially if you're interested on modern AAA games, I would still recommend the 2200G over it since 2 cores simply aren't enough anymore.
Edit: nvm lol This is a really good turn of events. If we can just convince AMD to just let this be and make all future entry level Athlons be overclockable... Methinks this makes for a sweeter HTPC setup that can game on the side. Stupid question here: Can PBO be hacked on 1st gen Ryzen via 2nd gen boards?
I'd suggest that it's a bit of a nod and a wink to allow this accident to happen. AMD have a bit of a history with certain CPU motherboard/chipset combinations allowing the unlocking of additional bits of the cut down CPU's. Unlock extra cores and/or cache if you have the right board and bios, especially some phenom 2 based CPU's, turning Athlon 2s into phenoms by unlocking cache and some dual or tricores into quads. It all adds to the hype and the thrill of finding your lucky easter egg.
$110, 35 Watts, 2 cores, 4 threads, it gets a PC running. Pair a Radeon RX 6400 single slot half height card, and you have a low power, small mini ITX build. Add a gigabyte mobo or over clocked MSI B450I GAMING PLUS and you're good to go.
These benchmarks are very interesting. Because it shows how dual cores from Intel and AMD scale with clock speeds or cores in general. The overclock greatly improved the experience by increasing the frame time and minimum fps. This is why AMD needs to get high clock speeds with zen 2 to kill intels advantage in gaming on the high end. The 5ghz/5.2ghz clock speed of the 9900k is what makes it a beast in gaming vs the 2700x in high refresh scenarios. Some games just prefer higher clock speeds.
The funny thing about this is that I find it suspiciously convenient! I mean this right here addresses the only thing that I personally count as its only flaw. Not gonna claim to be the first or only one to think or say this but I really see the athlon 200ge as AMD's testing platform on how much we'd let them get away with. I think they're trying to see how the market would react in case they try to pull some of the product kneecapping moves that Intel uses specially in their lower end products. I hope the sales figures give them enough data to support that lower end unlocked cpus would be worth making speciallyin the future generations~
I have to agree with you the market is complete crap right now especially with processors in gpus each company isn't working on Innovations the working on ways to make money it's ridiculous
For my asus prime B 450 plus first version of the bios is the most stable, so I will not update for 1.0.0.6 AGESA, but just as a note I think all boards got an update, not just the MSI ones, so check it if you are interested.
This reinforces my new-found preference for MSI. Even when they screw up, it's a good thing! A lot of reviewers have been saying great things about even low and mid-range MSI boards, especially the VRMs. I no longer have any particular trust or respect for Asus or Gigabyte, who both seem to have a lot of BS involved in the marketing and design of a lot of their products.
Saw this posted earlier and then GN posted one even more recently. Guess I'm hearing about overclocking the 200GE for 30 mins, collectively, from Steve. Thanks for the great content, as always! Now if we can get a core or two unlocked on that thing...they won't be able to keep them on the shelves. Or are they fused off?
How come when I look up agesa 1.0.0.6 it says it came out jul 2017? Why did I wait over a year for this glorious update that allows me to run my ram at its rated speed and get an extra 100mhz on the core? Am I misunderstanding something?
But have MSI corrected the glaring omission of voltage offset control from their BIOS's? They make great boards - unless you want to use PBO, because of the lack of voltage offset.
well it clearly works with my gigabyte B450 I aorus pro wifi , Just got it running at 3.95GHz stable. Runs pretty dam smooth for a budget cpu. Funny though if they just allowed this cpu to use RAM speeds of up to 3000 it would peform remarkably better even for these clocks.
this deserves to be in a in win chopin case, if you do you will have a super portable desktop to do some work or bring around just to show how tiny and pretty you pc is. I totally say get one and get a motherboard that you can OC it with. Its really snappy in my opinion, mind you with its vega gpu you cant really do any reasonable gaming so dont look for that here. unless you do some E-GPU, and upgrade down the road. Which then would be in interesting case as well.
Awesome video like always. its interesting to see this because you can already see that 4 threads is not enough anymore for a good experience in gaming, so this is a proof that no one will buy CPUs with less then 6 threads in a very near future, so basically all pentiums, i3's, i5's(from older gens when it used to be 4c/4t) and even amd products like this athlon or the 2200g will become irrelevant because you can already buy 6+ threads for so cheap compared to some years in the past. Its time to get those cheap 8 threads cpus for less then 200 dolars, thank you for that AMD, you guys are changing the market for good and you guys deserve it all.
AMD did have hit and miss news circulating the way couple weeks. Sometimes i wonder if something like this was intentional. It will add new types of hype for amd and create more demand for AMD 200GE and AMD A/B/X motherboards.
Would you recommend this cpu for a working pc? like for office use? microsoft office, stock lists, data entry, using security system softwares and browsing the web etc?
Intel released a microcode update through Windows which prevented overclocking on non-Z boards for the G3258 CPU (This was back in 2015 I believe). It caused the system to BSOD if you tried to OC it. Of course there were ways around it and I think they reversed the update a bit later on, but if AMD really wanted to stop overclocking couldn't they do the same thing? In saying that, its not something I see AMD doing at all.
Aha!!! I remember the comments made by me & Steve and some not very smart ppl. .. who said it's locked coz voltage or something equally dumb. Thank you for this video eheueheu
Same will happen if intel will unlock 9xxx cpus hyperthreading via bios support as I suspect this is just bios limitation and the cpu dies are the same at the most cases :)
if AMD was smart they would allow this to pass and not force MSI to remove the file especially that people will find a way to download it anyway,they can look like the good company on this one.
To me this feels more like a controlled leak than a mistake. Also i think it's just a matter of time before someone extracts the necessary files to unlock the Athlon and mod other vendor bioses.
I would rather go with the MSI B450 Tomahawk or the µATX B450 Mortar, both quite cheap and the VRM can even handle an 8 core if you upgrade down the line.
Hi Steve, great video as always. I wanted to know the difference between the Athlon 200GE and that other processor AMD supposedly has on their lineup, called the Ryzen 3 2100GE. From the specs I've seen online, they are identical physically. Why does this other nomenclature exist for the same supposed chip then?
@@Hardwareunboxed Thanks for the answer, Steve! Though, it is still confusing as the Athlon PRO 200GE also exists, which means that is also a part with the longer warranty and Pro features right?
What AMD should do is allow the Athlon 200GE to overclock in an A320 mobo alone like what Intel did with the Pentium G3528 on a H81 mobo. This is what the Pentium G3528 great during its release. Once that happens, AMD wins in every CPU category.
Nice OC, but someone who does stuff like that will probably also have no trouble investing in better. Office CPU in the end. Your word documents, excel datasheets won't need that OC.
So am I right in thinking that motherboard makers were just pinky promising not to unlock this processor. Are locked processors not normally hardware locked when it comes to multipliers?
Guys msi a320 pro vh motherboards can also overclock this one. But was unsuccessful on both gigabyte and asrock a320 mobo. If anyone succeeds let me know man.
I have a laptop with an AMD A6-7310 Quad-Core 2 Ghz CPU with a R4 GPU. I still think a Dual-Core 4 Ghz CPU with Vega would perform much better. Am I wrong? I'm still not seeing the benefit of the multi-core processing even at slower speeds.
What do u think about athlon 7nm? Will it have a 4 core or 6 core? Cant wait to buy that since i cant afford to buy ryzen 3 7nm lmao (Need to build from scratch and that sucks for a student)
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"No mistakes, just happy accidents"
-MSI
nope avi “It’s not a bug, it’s a feature.”
@@officialvisaural basically.
Bob Ross approves...
"And here is a happy little Steve"
@@StaelTek good one xd
This proves that AMD could have destroyed Intel's low end market just by unlocking the multiplier but they missed the chance
It does but shortages kind of destroyed Intel's low-end offerings anyway.
@@Hardwareunboxed intel shortages killed low end mid end hiight end every type of end on intel xD and if ryzen zen 2 comes out before 10th intel gen... rip intel completelly
@@Hardwareunboxed it's not only destroyed the low end but it's also destroying the i5 market . Here in India the prices of an i5 8400 gone up approximately 5000 INR (almost 65USD ) where ryzen is just getting down and down.
@@rickbhattacharya2334 wtf 65$!!! Its 200$ here
@@H4VOK_YT it's gone up in price by $65 not cost $65
Good plan from MSI, how to boost sales of their motherboards :)
And potentially a lawsuite from amd
@@drake6836 in AMD place i wouldn't even bother, 200GE should be unlocked out of the box :) it's decent cpu for budget but it wasn't clocked enough
If it is unlocked. Fewer people will buy the a320 mobo..
@@thaddeus2447 agreed in that it should have been unlocked out of the box. The results from the OC were infact VERY GOOD, but still not enough to make the 2200g irrelevant. Although it does potentially ruin AMDs ability to release faster 2core 4 thread athlons. For a quick cash in for possible the 70$ price bracket for example.
@@pauls4522 There's still room for Zen 2 based Athlons with even higher clock speeds, don't see a problem with that.
good morning overclockers lets rip these threads
Good evening.
Let it Rip !!! (Beyblade style)
Psyq Watts your confusing this with threadripper
Good Monday morning.
I ripped a fart and tore some of my pant threads. Does that count?
I hope this isn't a mistake but just MSI being early with this feature
It's almost certainly a mistake, I've reached out to MSI and AMD, I'll let you know when I hear something.
@@Hardwareunboxed if they do allow it though, the pentium will officially have been murdered from both sides. Besides the over clocking doesn't really ruin the value of the next AMD CPU in by her lineup, as the 4 cores of the 2200G still makes a bigger difference
@@Hardwareunboxed I'd assume other vendors would be releasing the same patch if this wasn't a mistake. It'd be nice if the other vendors also included it.
@@wile123456 Yes, the 2200G is still the best CPU/APU for the money. The 200GE is not strong enough, it's ment to be for a low power consuming Office-PC.
@@janaebert3059 which is why unlocking the 200GE wouldn't do any harm at all
still dont get it why they lock these cpus
They intentionally make it a worse value than possibleso people have a better incentive to buy more expensive CPU's.
Athlon 200GE Single core is not that far from ryzen 3 1200, i guess if it was unlocked for every mobo it would make more sense to buy a 200GE and overclock it than buying a 1200
@@keyr324 Ryzen 3 1200 is still a true quad core. Still offers performance benefits especially on games that are more cpu dependent. Which still baffles me why AMD locked the 200GE? Well since MSI showed that you can overclock it, I doubt AMD would shut this down. They're already on a roll getting on everyone's good graces. It would be a mistake on their part to do this to consumers.
@@conyo985 I think they did it becouse, even if 1200 is a TRUE quad core the 45€ extra u pay for it (For some people) wont be worth if an overcloced 200GE can give u a similar performance
Like Max said, to upsell their better CPU's, but also most who are looking here are also inexperienced in OC'ing. So limiting choices, helps longevity of the product, by limiting the instances of mistakes
@2:00 Steve, why wouldn't AMD demand MSI take down their bioses, and MSI instead replace the file with a new iteration, making the current bioses unavailable? If this scenario is possible, should people be rushing to download the bios files now in case they're taken offline, imminently?
Cats out of the bag mate, there are mirror sites for this kind of stuff and people will just upload the files they already have for others to download.
Seems a long way to go to shutdown an extremely niche situation
@@Hardwareunboxed you have to blck oc to get 3.9 and some program doesn't read I got this from the guy who first found about this
It's also good PR for AMD. If they do this some times then their consumers feel like they'd just scored a big bonus etc. AMD is more about letting enthusiasts buy their stuff. Intel seems more about business. I'm currently running a i7-3930k but I've owned a 1090t and other amd and intel cpu's before. So I'm not a fan boy. Just something that seems rather obvious over the last 20 or so years.
With a 103 MHz base clock the system wouldn't survive Blender and the voltage required just to get into Windows didn't justify the extra 114 MHz.
"MSI made a bit of a mistake" .... "So you will need an MSI motherboard for this".... MSI be like whoooooops my bad sorry nothing we can do
even overclocked the 200GE is no match for the 2200G, now I wonder why did they lock it in the first place since their perfomance doesn't overlap with each other
People will just buy this instead of the 2200g = less profit for them.
due to the Athlon 220ge and 240ge that is to be announce in the 4q of 2018
I think the only reason this cpu existed is to sell A320 mobo
Yup budget why sell budget cpus with motherboard 2x the price
A series don't sell because they are crap for OEMs, chipset lock is not what consumers want in the PC part market. AMD and MB manufacturers can shovel up their asses with that line of products.
I'm sure it's OK and manufacturers made well-built mobos, my point is that this line shouldn't exist at all. It's pure Intel-style artificial segmentation.
If manufacturers do want to make cheap mobos with weak VRM only capable of handling non-OCed CPU (in fact, actual 4phases VRM can easily handle 150A so it's not even an excuse anymore), they just have to not allow it by removing options in UEFI setup. It should have been their business, not AMD's one.
And since Asmedia chipsets are just I/O extenders, those AMD's SoCs could perfectly run in standalone. If earlier specs of the Zen arch were followed, low-end MB could have been simpler and even cheaper to produce.
cheapest MSI A320 vs B450, price difference 12€. I think there is no place for A320, and B350 cost the same as B450 or even more wtf?
I don't care if you're OK with your motherboard, good for you but it's your own business.
What I say is that the principle of the A320 is just evil marketing since the CPU doesn't technically need a chipset at all as I explained and it forces overclockers to buy a chipset with additional I/O they won't use. If the job was done properly in respect of consumers all of the low-end AM4 motherboards would have been done differently, the optional chipset removed, resulting even lower prices or a better quality for the same targeted price. It wouldn't have badly changed the CPU selling numbers for AMD, quite the opposite actually.
I guarantee some developer at MSI looked at the 200GE's potential and _"slipped"_ in overclocking without telling anyone
possibly has been fired by now lol :-)
@@lanceeilers5061 it can never be fixed now because people are going to mirror this BIOS version. The only possible way I see them doing something about it would be through Windows 10 throttling the chip and that would be too much work
Mistakes or not, AMD official in my country actually promoted it as one of 200GE features. lol
They also said there will be update on other vendors as well, I hope so.
so AMD Marketing is selling this as a feature in some countries?
intresting.
AMD'S answer to the 9900K
DarkRaiser982 ez at 500 dollars they don't need a aware because for 500 on amd you can get a threadripper
60 dollar cpu vs 600 dollar cpu in 4k? with a 2080ti?
@@Thesinistereyes1 you'll get 50 fps in most titles with the athlon, and the i9 would get 70 - 80 I'd guess
@@drake1896 as soon as you turn on RTX its all the same
how is there no dust anywhere in the studio ever ... you a robot?
use magical camera techniques to make the dust invincible.U will be scared what show under a UV flashlight hehehe😉😉😉
Part reviewer, part Zoomba. Be afraid.
dwiddleD Indeed, one of the tricks is to have the camera pick up UV and use it to figure out where to automatically edit out dust from the visible image. A bit expensive though, as it requires millions of extra transistors in the camera sensor compared to purely postprocessing the RGB data.
AMD Athlon 200GEX
The answer from AMD to the 9900K 😜
Gex is best
Athlon 200KEK
You could probably emulate Gex on this APU lol.
Finally an Athlon Black Edition !
Like I said I'll wait for your review and here we have it !! Thank you Steve !!!!
That Ryzen 3 2200G still looks really attractive for an HTPC. We just need RAM prices to come down.
You can currently get a 2x4 kit of DDR4 2800mhz for $60.
pcpartpicker.com/product/Bx648d/gskill-memory-f42800c16d8grr
@Hank Rantz Me neither. I just want something that will play any video I can throw at it, while providing 10/30 bit color support and a clean output. I've been having a hard time finding a Micro ATX AM4 board with a full set of audio jacks though.
TBH if you're just watching videos on it you could probably even get away with a 1x4 dimm setup and slap in a second dimm when you get the money later
@@owen-ng8oe Thanks for the link. I keep forgetting about that site. Since the APU's tend to scale well with bandwidth, I was hoping to stay at 3000 or 3200Mhz. I think 2933 is the native speed on the 2200G/2400G?
Another challenge I've been having, is finding a good Micro-ATX B450 board with 5 or 6 audio jacks and a good codec like the ALC1220. I found a nice AsRock Mini-ITX board with everything I'm looking for, but it's a bit pricey and Newegg just sold out of it.
Just a heads up, I hear the ALC1220 or something similar has Linux problems, so you probably won't be able to run OpenELEC and stuff
Congrats on 300k subscribers!
Msi did an oopsie 😂
Lol
For me it shouldn't be locked in the first place, I understand most wont OC that high but still come on AMD.
its budget cpu and why they will give u unlocked processor for soo cheap price!
Of course it should be.
These cores would sell for a lot more as a higher end SKU so selling them as a dual core is essentially losing AMD money.
The only reason these things exist is because of faulty higher end products that gets turned into these.
But there's only so many of those available.
If the prices where too low and the performance too high they'd be unable to meet demands without starting to destroy processors that's perfectly fine to make these dual cores reducing their income instead of reducing their expenses as this thing is *suppose* to do.
With the cores locked AMD can curtail the demand somewhat allowing them to make more profit.
Also that leaves room for another product right above it in the product stack later if stocks of slightly better dual cores ends up building up at some point.
Can't it just be a Christmas gift?
Luredreier We need Core Unlocker like in the AM3 era.
+@@PainterVierax If you mean unlocking the multiplyer then that's requires changes to the bios (provided that it's even possible with a given CPU, in this case it seems to be since the lock is software based)
If you mean unlocking more cores then I'm not sure that is even possible on this part, depends on what is locking the cores in the first place, software or hardware.
Somebody speculated, that Athlon was locked bcause of R3 2200G, but look at gaming results. At same freq 2200G is far ahead of Athlon
because the oc is unlocked now i'm gonna name it the AMD Athlon 2000G (lower end version of the 2200G and 2400G 😅)
I bought the msi b450m pro vdh, because you recommended the msi b450 tomahawk in an earlier video. And now to my suprise this vid comes out! :D So far I've been able to go 3.75ghz at 1.35 with the stock cooler.
Thanks for the info, I have a MSI B350M PRO-VDH motherboard and was going to get the Athlon 200ge and use it for a home built NAS. I'll try this out before I change it to the NAS as it won't need that much CPU. It should be fun, great video and information :-)
faith well placed in msi.. good msi good msi i knew i chose you as my preferred motherboard manufacturer. good to see your Still Awesome.
Damn I missed it. Congrats on 300k guys. Keep up the great content :)
Good guy MSI
I am so happy about this. It went from a HTPC pc to a budget gamer overclocker. I hope they don't change it and or others follow. I'm going to side/upgrade my kids i5 2400 and have fun doing it. my sons i5 2500k tho i don't think its worth it. Even if i want to just to play lol
This is so sad for who just bought non-MSI mobo
This is interesting. Previously, I understood that the 200GE was locked by AMD, not by UEFI. From your testing, it doesn't appear to compete with the 2200G, which is probably what AMD was concerned about when they locked it, so perhaps AMD could issue guidance allowing all vendors to unlock the 200GE. It would be a consumer-friendly move, and that's something to which AMD appears sensitive.
That's karma for you there. Why would AMD lock that chip? It's not like that would cannibalize the 2200G as it's much better to have 4 true cores in 2018....Just unlock the damn thing already.
I think it's so that they can release a 220GE later with higher stock clocks for a slightly higher price
@@TheOz1999 Their next line will definitely be on Zen 2, or at least that would make sense for them to do so...besides, I just don't like them deliberately crippling a CPU's potential instead of actually developing a better chip to sell for a premium price. They already kinda did it with the "X" versions of Ryzen CPUs: my 1600X may just be a factory overclocked 1600 but I got it at 4GHz with 1.26V...Maybe I was just lucky, or maybe the X series really are binned much better.
@@Hack3r91 in my opinion the PC market today is complete bullshit a lot like the video game Market it's just a cash grab no one actually gives a fuck about performance AMD and Nvidia as well as in tell if they really wanted to could make some amazing shit but they're not going to because they're to focus on making money
Limited supply is the main reason. Then has around a 98% yield, very few chips are defective enough to be worth turning into dual-cores. These are supposed to compete with the Pentium as the bare-bones budget processor, so they don't want enthusiasts snapping them up just to tinker with.It's
The efficient yield is how they've been able to price Ryzen so competitively in the first place. They loss that and they lose the value proposition.
After hearing about MSI's slipup I'd hoped you'd cover this, thanks!
That's a really nice gain, if only the 200GE were unlocked by default I would consider it a much better option than I currently do, although in most cases, specially if you're interested on modern AAA games, I would still recommend the 2200G over it since 2 cores simply aren't enough anymore.
Edit: nvm lol
This is a really good turn of events. If we can just convince AMD to just let this be and make all future entry level Athlons be overclockable... Methinks this makes for a sweeter HTPC setup that can game on the side.
Stupid question here: Can PBO be hacked on 1st gen Ryzen via 2nd gen boards?
Good job Steve!
I'd suggest that it's a bit of a nod and a wink to allow this accident to happen. AMD have a bit of a history with certain CPU motherboard/chipset combinations allowing the unlocking of additional bits of the cut down CPU's. Unlock extra cores and/or cache if you have the right board and bios, especially some phenom 2 based CPU's, turning Athlon 2s into phenoms by unlocking cache and some dual or tricores into quads.
It all adds to the hype and the thrill of finding your lucky easter egg.
$110, 35 Watts, 2 cores, 4 threads, it gets a PC running. Pair a Radeon RX 6400 single slot half height card, and you have a low power, small mini ITX build. Add a gigabyte mobo or over clocked MSI B450I GAMING PLUS and you're good to go.
Thank you MSI! I will only buy your products from now on!
see AMD? see what you're missing?
Chilling with the ryzen 7
MSI : PinnaclePI-AM4 1.0.0.6
ASUS : PinnaclePI-AM4 1.0.0.2
These benchmarks are very interesting. Because it shows how dual cores from Intel and AMD scale with clock speeds or cores in general.
The overclock greatly improved the experience by increasing the frame time and minimum fps.
This is why AMD needs to get high clock speeds with zen 2 to kill intels advantage in gaming on the high end. The 5ghz/5.2ghz clock speed of the 9900k is what makes it a beast in gaming vs the 2700x in high refresh scenarios. Some games just prefer higher clock speeds.
The funny thing about this is that I find it suspiciously convenient! I mean this right here addresses the only thing that I personally count as its only flaw. Not gonna claim to be the first or only one to think or say this but I really see the athlon 200ge as AMD's testing platform on how much we'd let them get away with. I think they're trying to see how the market would react in case they try to pull some of the product kneecapping moves that Intel uses specially in their lower end products. I hope the sales figures give them enough data to support that lower end unlocked cpus would be worth making speciallyin the future generations~
I have to agree with you the market is complete crap right now especially with processors in gpus each company isn't working on Innovations the working on ways to make money it's ridiculous
For my asus prime B 450 plus first version of the bios is the most stable, so I will not update for 1.0.0.6 AGESA,
but just as a note I think all boards got an update, not just the MSI ones, so check it if you are interested.
I don't know why I'm watching this, I don't plan on upgrading my 6700k anytime soon, but I love watching videos on budget hardware all the same.
Same here
While I'm waiting for Zen 2, this will absolutely be the placeholder for my lying around B450 Pro gaming carbon !!!
You just giving me more reason to choose the 200GE for my sister's budget build
gigabyte also unlocked the 200ge on their boards, just checked their mini itx board, yeah agesa 1.0.0.6, improved performance on 200 series apus
This reinforces my new-found preference for MSI. Even when they screw up, it's a good thing! A lot of reviewers have been saying great things about even low and mid-range MSI boards, especially the VRMs. I no longer have any particular trust or respect for Asus or Gigabyte, who both seem to have a lot of BS involved in the marketing and design of a lot of their products.
Cool! I had a look and surprised not asked yet but can you overclock the igpu?
toms hardware athlon 200ge @3.9ghz motherboard msi X470 gaming M7 with 1.4V voltaje, techEpiphany used Msi B350 M gaming @3.8ghz voltage used. 1.37V
Silicon Lottery ;)
How did you pay for all of those parts in Australia lmao, prices are so inflated in my opinion
@Hardware Unboxed: What is this for a case at 4:05 ?
Phanteks Enthoo Evolve Shift I think.......
Saw this posted earlier and then GN posted one even more recently. Guess I'm hearing about overclocking the 200GE for 30 mins, collectively, from Steve. Thanks for the great content, as always!
Now if we can get a core or two unlocked on that thing...they won't be able to keep them on the shelves. Or are they fused off?
This makes the 200GE WAY more appealing now, still a shame though that DDR4 prices are still quite expensive even if they are slowly trending down
How come when I look up agesa 1.0.0.6 it says it came out jul 2017? Why did I wait over a year for this glorious update that allows me to run my ram at its rated speed and get an extra 100mhz on the core? Am I misunderstanding something?
The 1.0.0.6 release has been getting incremental updates to help with RAM compatibility
Could this overclocking again be disabled with a micro-code update via Windows update? Similiar things have happened before with Micro-code updates.
But have MSI corrected the glaring omission of voltage offset control from their BIOS's? They make great boards - unless you want to use PBO, because of the lack of voltage offset.
The single thread performance goes up a good bit, definitely worth it
Hey Steve, I need your opinion on ryzen cpu. Should i buy a ryzen 5 2600 or wait for the new ryzen cpu's?
Does it also unlock the Ryzen Pro series, like the R5 Pro 1500?
well it clearly works with my gigabyte B450 I aorus pro wifi , Just got it running at 3.95GHz stable. Runs pretty dam smooth for a budget cpu. Funny though if they just allowed this cpu to use RAM speeds of up to 3000 it would peform remarkably better even for these clocks.
this deserves to be in a in win chopin case, if you do you will have a super portable desktop to do some work or bring around just to show how tiny and pretty you pc is. I totally say get one and get a motherboard that you can OC it with. Its really snappy in my opinion, mind you with its vega gpu you cant really do any reasonable gaming so dont look for that here. unless you do some E-GPU, and upgrade down the road. Which then would be in interesting case as well.
Awesome video like always.
its interesting to see this because you can already see that 4 threads is not enough anymore for a good experience in gaming, so this is a proof that no one will buy CPUs with less then 6 threads in a very near future, so basically all pentiums, i3's, i5's(from older gens when it used to be 4c/4t) and even amd products like this athlon or the 2200g will become irrelevant because you can already buy 6+ threads for so cheap compared to some years in the past. Its time to get those cheap 8 threads cpus for less then 200 dolars, thank you for that AMD, you guys are changing the market for good and you guys deserve it all.
lets hope that AMD increases core count even more and that they sell some low latency 8 core CPUs with amazing PxP ratio and high frequency.
again, thanks AMD
AMD did have hit and miss news circulating the way couple weeks. Sometimes i wonder if something like this was intentional. It will add new types of hype for amd and create more demand for AMD 200GE and AMD A/B/X motherboards.
Would you recommend this cpu for a working pc? like for office use? microsoft office, stock lists, data entry, using security system softwares and browsing the web etc?
No it may will be very slow for office works..
Intel released a microcode update through Windows which prevented overclocking on non-Z boards for the G3258 CPU (This was back in 2015 I believe).
It caused the system to BSOD if you tried to OC it. Of course there were ways around it and I think they reversed the update a bit later on, but if AMD really wanted to stop overclocking couldn't they do the same thing?
In saying that, its not something I see AMD doing at all.
Can't wait for the AMD Athlon 220GE and the 240GE , rumor has it , that the 240GE is 3 cores / 6 threads !
Aha!!! I remember the comments made by me & Steve and some not very smart ppl. .. who said it's locked coz voltage or something equally dumb. Thank you for this video eheueheu
why no test vs athlon x4 950 ? in my country both 200ge and x4 950 cost 68$
Same will happen if intel will unlock 9xxx cpus hyperthreading via bios support as I suspect this is just bios limitation and the cpu dies are the same at the most cases :)
There was a similar mistake with my msi gaming m5 z170 board where you could overclock non-k variant cpus
Is the power delivery up to snuff? I'd worry about temps vrms mosfets etc if you push hard.
All these boards can handle the dual core no worries.
@@Hardwareunboxed Ty sir! Good to know.
if AMD was smart they would allow this to pass and not force MSI to remove the file especially that people will find a way to download it anyway,they can look like the good company on this one.
🙂 sounds good, its nice to finally see a pentium clone from the other side, yay 2 corers ftw 🐢🐢😊
Would it be possible to OC the gpu aswell or does this just apply to the cpu.
To me this feels more like a controlled leak than a mistake.
Also i think it's just a matter of time before someone extracts the necessary files to unlock the Athlon and mod other vendor bioses.
I would rather go with the MSI B450 Tomahawk or the µATX B450 Mortar, both quite cheap and the VRM can even handle an 8 core if you upgrade down the line.
Hi Steve, great video as always. I wanted to know the difference between the Athlon 200GE and that other processor AMD supposedly has on their lineup, called the Ryzen 3 2100GE. From the specs I've seen online, they are identical physically. Why does this other nomenclature exist for the same supposed chip then?
I believe it's the Ryzen 3 PRO 2100GE, the PRO series feature enhanced security and longer warranty period.
@@Hardwareunboxed Thanks for the answer, Steve! Though, it is still confusing as the Athlon PRO 200GE also exists, which means that is also a part with the longer warranty and Pro features right?
Like before playing because I know it's gonna be awesome
Good one ! Steve
Will AMD push microcode updates to lock it down like Intel did via Windows Update for the Skylake chips?
What AMD should do is allow the Athlon 200GE to overclock in an A320 mobo alone like what Intel did with the Pentium G3528 on a H81 mobo. This is what the Pentium G3528 great during its release. Once that happens, AMD wins in every CPU category.
so therefore, it can have the capability of the clockspeed of Ryzen 3 and 5? and considering its cheap price
Nice OC, but someone who does stuff like that will probably also have no trouble investing in better. Office CPU in the end. Your word documents, excel datasheets won't need that OC.
Can't OC the Athlon on my MSI A320M PRO-VH PLUS :( (latest BIOS).
This is only possible on B- and X-series boards.
thanks!
I just want to see the 300GE next year, those will be killer CPUs for office use
I can OC an Athlon 200ge on MSI Pro VDH+ mobo right?
Can anyone explain why they released this locked? Without OC it loses to the Pentium G5400.
So am I right in thinking that motherboard makers were just pinky promising not to unlock this processor. Are locked processors not normally hardware locked when it comes to multipliers?
Guys msi a320 pro vh motherboards can also overclock this one. But was unsuccessful on both gigabyte and asrock a320 mobo. If anyone succeeds let me know man.
so future OC wont be possible?
Thanks Steve
I have a laptop with an AMD A6-7310 Quad-Core 2 Ghz CPU with a R4 GPU. I still think a Dual-Core 4 Ghz CPU with Vega would perform much better. Am I wrong? I'm still not seeing the benefit of the multi-core processing even at slower speeds.
I have psu of 400 watts(4 pin connector), a320m pro-vd/s can i oc?
no, a320 cant overclock lol
Is the vega 3 graphics of it unlocked, I'm guessing not.
What do u think about athlon 7nm?
Will it have a 4 core or 6 core?
Cant wait to buy that since i cant afford to buy ryzen 3 7nm lmao
(Need to build from scratch and that sucks for a student)
4 core
I love yours channel....😍😍😍
Is there a build video for that pc in that background?
Here is the playlist: ruclips.net/p/PL7m5C6_P_lnU7MT93n4Hhqe7wGRhc-etu
What a pretty early Christmas gift.
Now I can justify putting a 200GE in a family pc
even my $20 xeon gets a 900cb in cinebench lol