I think Penrith will win beacouse the Penrith forward pack is the best. Melbourne will have a massive chance though their spine is the best exited for the grand final.
Forwards decide who wins, backs decide by how much. Now that comes with caveats, but those come in the form of great players in the backline, especially the halves, having absolutely dominant games. Do I think that Hughes and Munster can drag their team to a win if their forward pack gets bullied, with the likes of Iceman and Luai on the other side? Not really. Cleary's got the biggest boot of the 4 by far, and any time the Storm get back into good field position he'll just kick them back down field. Penrith to win. Fish or Yeo for Clive Churchill. Penrith will win via their forward pack.
Yeah I definitely agree with that analysis. The way around it for storm is taking chances out of their own end. Either that, or the Storm outside backs need to make a heap of strong carrys out of their own end (which would be a very Penrith way of doing things)
@@TheLeaguie ye And too me I've already said it but NAS makes all the difference imo Now that his not playing the storm are completely reliant on their spine and tbh I don't think it's enough don't get me wrong papi, Hughes, muster and grant fantastic players but the panther are going to dominate down the middle leaving way to much space and eventually I think storm will crack under the pressure of luai and cleary who really do like to dance with the ball in hand and once their forwards have provided space it's over luai or cleary are gon make a break and it's going to repeat until panthers win I still think it'll be hard for the panthers they will struggle also the point of panthers loosing to storm twice in the regular season That didn't stop them from curb stomping eels in 2022
Honestly it almost feels like people are exagerating how nelson's being suspended could impact melbourne's performance, the storm have beaten penrith without nelson this year. Like yes Nelson brings the impact but he only plays for around half the game depending on his performance, so its harsh to discredit the rest of melbourne's forward pack especially players like King and Katoa. Here is an example: In round 1 the storm's forward pack played a huge roll to hold penrith to 0, despite penrith's forward pack being way better on paper. Forward Packs (Round 1): Penrith = Leota, Fisher-Harris, Garner, Martin, Yeo. Storm = Kamikamica, King, Chan, Katoa, Loiero. However: The lineups have changed every time these two teams have played this year so i think it could go either way. ^^^^ (Also Nelson's impact in the second match up (rnd-24) could be seen as negative as it almost cost them the game (i.e. the sin bin)) Also the grand final is much more high pressure and having to bring in a rookie to fill in that spot can be a concern.
Yeah look, that's clearly a very well thought-out argument and I absolutely take the points you've made. To me though, you just can't use regular season games to predict how a grand final is going to play out. While we didn't see the best of the Penrith forwards, especially in Round One, I've got no doubt we'll see the best of them on Sunday. That's what has me very concerned from a Storm perspective.
4:53 alternatively, you could say the roosters were without an origin player for the entire final against melbourne, which may have even cost them a place in the grand final, although unlikely. unfortunately I think nas should have realised doing something like that would result in consequences especially right before the grand final.
Melbourne storms are very good.I hope Storms will get it done 13+.. storms know what to do and when to do it..and also their score margin for last finals was absolutely brilliant.
Last week both sides had flat periods coming out of half time. The roosters scored 2 tries to make it 24-18 and the Sharks scored to make it 10-6 against Penrith. It will be interesting to see which team is able exploit the oppositions weaknesses better. I hope Melbourne win the grand final and I think Cameron Munster will be awarded with the Clive Churchill medal.
Good point. In terms of exploiting weaknesses during that period, that's where I very much back the Storm. But in terms of wrestling back that momentum and managing the game to it's conclusion... that's Nathan Cleary's bread and butter.
I'm a little disappointed with the final being the most dominant teams but it is the most realistic but none the less it will be a good game also I think definitely Jerome definitely deserves the dally m but unfortunately I don't think he'll get it
As a neutral I’m kinda glad that this is the grand final. If it was either of Storm/Panthers playing another team, I think it’d be a lot less exciting (a bit like 2022 was)
Taylan May situation was quite a bit of a different circumstance and came from an off field incident before the season even started, not to say it was handled correctly but its not a one for one comparison
With Taylan, I thought it was the wrong decision at the time to delay his suspension. I’d rather the NRL just admit they got that wrong, rather than stick to a precedent we all sorta found ridiculous
@TheLeaguie yeah for sure, and honestly it was a bit of bad luck on his part as the court precedings for the incident just happened to finalise at finals time, which I thought is the direction the NRL would have taken the reasoning in rather than just saying he needs to play finals "for the fans", his actions this year really hasn't helped the optics of it either
@@TheLeaguie I’m 100% with you mate, I’m just trying to highlight the ridiculous precedent it set with a bit of a joke. Maybe it came off as more seriously salty than salty for a laugh though, my bad. Tbh I agree with everything you said about the NAS situation in the video
What are YOUR tips for Grand Final winner? And who will win the Clive Churchill Medal?
@@TheLeaguie I want luai to get it
But I predict yeo to get it
The panthers dynasty started by losing to the Melbourne Storm, it will end by losing to the Melbourne Storm
(I hope this ages well)
NAS being out changes it for me. I don’t see how the Storm forwards will handle Penrith now
Yeah that’s my concern. They aimed up big time though against the Roosters, and really have all season. Guys like Josh King are really underestimated
We held them scoreless without NAS and Munster.
Storm done it in Rd1
Panthers got this🔥
Maybe ,but the Storm has looked great all year long and have the new big four could make the difference
Imo Storm 28-22 Penrith Clive Churchill Jahrome Hughes
I think Penrith will win beacouse the Penrith forward pack is the best. Melbourne will have a massive chance though their spine is the best exited for the grand final.
I am going to the grand final and go the mighty panthers. And lastly we got trumpet and what a comeback last year
no NAS no problem Storm by more than 10
Forwards decide who wins, backs decide by how much.
Now that comes with caveats, but those come in the form of great players in the backline, especially the halves, having absolutely dominant games.
Do I think that Hughes and Munster can drag their team to a win if their forward pack gets bullied, with the likes of Iceman and Luai on the other side? Not really. Cleary's got the biggest boot of the 4 by far, and any time the Storm get back into good field position he'll just kick them back down field.
Penrith to win. Fish or Yeo for Clive Churchill. Penrith will win via their forward pack.
Yeah I definitely agree with that analysis. The way around it for storm is taking chances out of their own end. Either that, or the Storm outside backs need to make a heap of strong carrys out of their own end (which would be a very Penrith way of doing things)
As always leaguie produces a great vid and sparks more controversie haha
Haha thanks mate 💚
Nah storm on top storm can do it
Up da panthers
(That's something I'd never thought I'd say)
Big Cat teams stick together!
@@TheLeaguie ye
And too me I've already said it but NAS makes all the difference imo
Now that his not playing the storm are completely reliant on their spine and tbh I don't think it's enough don't get me wrong papi, Hughes, muster and grant fantastic players but the panther are going to dominate down the middle leaving way to much space and eventually I think storm will crack under the pressure of luai and cleary who really do like to dance with the ball in hand and once their forwards have provided space it's over luai or cleary are gon make a break and it's going to repeat until panthers win
I still think it'll be hard for the panthers they will struggle also the point of panthers loosing to storm twice in the regular season
That didn't stop them from curb stomping eels in 2022
I think panthers beat them 26-20 and James Fisher-Harris to win the Clive Churchill. Leaguie dissing 2 systems in 2 days
Coming for the Windows 11 operating system in my next video
@@TheLeaguie Hahahaha
Honestly it almost feels like people are exagerating how nelson's being suspended could impact melbourne's performance, the storm have beaten penrith without nelson this year.
Like yes Nelson brings the impact but he only plays for around half the game depending on his performance, so its harsh to discredit the rest of melbourne's forward pack especially players like King and Katoa.
Here is an example:
In round 1 the storm's forward pack played a huge roll to hold penrith to 0, despite penrith's forward pack being way better on paper.
Forward Packs (Round 1):
Penrith = Leota, Fisher-Harris, Garner, Martin, Yeo.
Storm = Kamikamica, King, Chan, Katoa, Loiero.
However:
The lineups have changed every time these two teams have played this year so i think it could go either way.
^^^^
(Also Nelson's impact in the second match up (rnd-24) could be seen as negative as it almost cost them the game (i.e. the sin bin))
Also the grand final is much more high pressure and having to bring in a rookie to fill in that spot can be a concern.
Yeah look, that's clearly a very well thought-out argument and I absolutely take the points you've made. To me though, you just can't use regular season games to predict how a grand final is going to play out.
While we didn't see the best of the Penrith forwards, especially in Round One, I've got no doubt we'll see the best of them on Sunday. That's what has me very concerned from a Storm perspective.
@@TheLeaguie totally agree with what you mean, the grand final will be way more intense but honestly it could go either way regardless
Great video leaguie❤
Nelson isn't playing but I still think the Storm win. Munster will be the Man of the match and the difference between the 2 sides!
44-0 Penrith way luai Clive churchell
Wow, somebody's confident!
4:53 alternatively, you could say the roosters were without an origin player for the entire final against melbourne, which may have even cost them a place in the grand final, although unlikely. unfortunately I think nas should have realised doing something like that would result in consequences especially right before the grand final.
Melbourne storms are very good.I hope Storms will get it done 13+.. storms know what to do and when to do it..and also their score margin for last finals was absolutely brilliant.
Could come down to the bounce of the ball or a lapse in concentration under fatigue...I think Melbourne will win by 4
panthers got this 40-35 may the 4 peat be with you and the Clive Churchill medal will go to nathan cleary
40-35 is an absolutely incredible scoreline. If you get that right, I will retire as the Leaguie and let you carry that name from now on.
@@TheLeaguie leaguie you're not retiring you're not leaving
Storm to win with Hughes or Harry winning the cc medal
not going to lie in my opinion storm will win easy they have been by the far the best team this year
Last week both sides had flat periods coming out of half time. The roosters scored 2 tries to make it 24-18 and the Sharks scored to make it 10-6 against Penrith. It will be interesting to see which team is able exploit the oppositions weaknesses better. I hope Melbourne win the grand final and I think Cameron Munster will be awarded with the Clive Churchill medal.
Good point. In terms of exploiting weaknesses during that period, that's where I very much back the Storm. But in terms of wrestling back that momentum and managing the game to it's conclusion... that's Nathan Cleary's bread and butter.
I'm a little disappointed with the final being the most dominant teams but it is the most realistic but none the less it will be a good game also I think definitely Jerome definitely deserves the dally m but unfortunately I don't think he'll get it
As a neutral I’m kinda glad that this is the grand final. If it was either of Storm/Panthers playing another team, I think it’d be a lot less exciting (a bit like 2022 was)
How does one get the Taylan May finals exemption red carpet treatment? Or is that an exclusive for the Protected Panthers only?
Taylan May situation was quite a bit of a different circumstance and came from an off field incident before the season even started, not to say it was handled correctly but its not a one for one comparison
With Taylan, I thought it was the wrong decision at the time to delay his suspension. I’d rather the NRL just admit they got that wrong, rather than stick to a precedent we all sorta found ridiculous
@TheLeaguie yeah for sure, and honestly it was a bit of bad luck on his part as the court precedings for the incident just happened to finalise at finals time, which I thought is the direction the NRL would have taken the reasoning in rather than just saying he needs to play finals "for the fans", his actions this year really hasn't helped the optics of it either
@@TheLeaguie I’m 100% with you mate, I’m just trying to highlight the ridiculous precedent it set with a bit of a joke. Maybe it came off as more seriously salty than salty for a laugh though, my bad. Tbh I agree with everything you said about the NAS situation in the video
As a dragons fan, I’m still wondering how the hell we beat them
lol
Obviously it's because Kyle Flanagan > Cameron Munster
@@TheLeaguie Flanno is my favourite player tho 😂
The fact yous beat both of them at their home grounds is insane (we don’t talk about the slaughter in Wollongong)
@@Treepy1_Games what slaughtet